A few quick hits from practice…
– Dustin Penner came off the ice “not feeling well,” in the words of Terry Murray, and Penner’s availability for tomorrow’s game is in question. Murray did not elaborate.
– Per agreement with the Hamburg team, both teams will dress 22 players. That allows the Kings to play eight defensemen and ease Drew Doughty back into the lineup. Doughty said he had been skating five days a week back home and feels ready.
– Slava Voynov will also play, but Murray indicated that Voynov more than likely will be headed to Manchester, but that a final decision hasn’t been made. That’s good news for Scott Parse. Also, Voynov has started wearing No. 26.
– Jonathan Quick and Jonathan Bernier will split the game evenly, with Quick scheduled to get the start.
does anyone else see penner as Eeyore??
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As Scooby Do says- “rut ro!”
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MB Kings Fan Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 1:09 pm
@Sancho, Thank you! I have been trying to figure out the best way to spell that for years!
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TikiTessie Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 1:54 pm
@MB Kings Fan, I always spell it (and see it spelled) “ruh roh!”
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Sounds like the good ole Cocktail Flu
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Penner was a last minute scratch in the game against the Ducks, though it’s unknown if injury or last minute coach’s decision…hmmmmm! Now he’s “not feeling well” and doubtful for tomorrow. I hope it’s because of Octoberfast and not post cuncussion syndrom.
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wideleft Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:05 am
@wideleft, my typing sucks!
No one fasts during Octoberfest…and that’s concussion. Maybe I have P.C.S. from banging my head numerous times over the D.D. ordeal.
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Any idea if it’s an illness or injury for Penner?
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KC23 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:18 am
@Ian, There was talk of a minor groin injury. I’m guess they just want to let it heal. We’ll see. Penner definately look like crap in Vegas. Un-impressive to say the least.
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gene Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:38 am
@KC23, That has been his M.O. Since he got to LA. Look like crap when he plays.
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KingsGuy Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:42 am
@gene, It only costs us 4.25 Mil – What a deal!
I hope he can get his game together. I have been sticking up for this guy for too long. Where is the DP that we saw on the Ducks?
THEFL Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:19 pm
@KC23, Penner was one of the few guys in Vegas actually hitting people. His speed and stamina and overall play are worlds better than last year. I’ve personally been stoked about his improvement and expect good things from him this year. Stop hating.
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KC23 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 3:04 pm
@THEFL, Saw him hit the ice and boards, but not people. Must of missed that. I was stoked, but after seeing him against the Ducks and Avs he looks lost out there.
THEFL Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 3:27 pm
@KC23 – I was watching him closely….he had some really solid hits on the Avs…and his physical involement vs. last season is night and day. Also his shifts are much longer. Believe me, he disappointed last year, but so far the difference in his game is a noticable positive. Keeping up on the breakout, using his size, and much much longer shifts. I’m most interested in his progress solely because of his potential to be a difference maker or a detriment. Time will tell.
deadcatbounce Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:34 pm
@Ian, I think he was just full…
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MB Kings Fan Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 1:15 pm
@Ian, I hope this is not the classic case of training harder than ever… and they injuring yourself because of it. JJ did the same thing in year 2. There’s a balance to be had, albeit, he was WAY too far on the other side last year.
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“Voynov likely heading to Manchester”????? What more does this guy have to do during the pre-season to make the team…he’s been solid all around….typical of the kings the past few seasons
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Hat trick Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:08 am
@dk.lakings, I agree I think he’s done all that he can really do down there. If anyone send Parse down. That guy needs all the help he can get.
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dk.lakings Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:10 am
@Hat trick,
I agree about Parse…sad to also see lokti being sent down as well
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Paul G Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 3:06 pm
@dk.lakings, Parse should be sent to Manchester…they can use a winger
He’s useless up here since he’s a healthy scratch
number 6 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:12 am
@Hat trick,
He isn’t waiver exempt so someone would probably grab him off waivers.
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Stuart Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:23 am
@number 6, I’m all for Parse shining in someone else’s galaxy…if not him at least whiskey should get exposed (to waivers not the elements).
gene Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:40 am
@number 6, Who really gives a dam if Parse is sent down and someone claims him. Go Figure TM. Dont understand this one.
Hat trick Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:45 am
@number 6, Wouldn’t bother me one bit. I don’t know how he even has a job up here.
CMaldo Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:34 pm
@number 6, Can someone please tell me what the big deal with Parse is? I have never seen him do ANYTHING that would make me want to keep him on this team. Lokti and Voynov have impressed far more in this pre-season than Parse EVER has since he has been with the Kings.
What if he becomes another Matt Moulson or Ted Purcell? WHO CARES?! What good does it do to have a 30 goal scorer in the lineup if he doesn’t produce FOR US?
Trade him, waive him, accidentally leave him in Europe…. I’m good with any and ALL of those outcomes.
Eric K Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:43 pm
@number 6, Wow, the Parse hate has exploded as of late. I still think he’s going to contribute, on this team. If he stays healthy, he’ll produce- end of story.
Choralone Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 1:14 pm
@number 6, Parse isn’t setting the world on fire, but at the same time he’s not a liability. We’re stacked everywhere else. What’s the harm in giving him a little more time to get things sorted. Who is he holding back? What winger do we have waiting to take his spot? (Loki is a center). It seems like low risk with good potential upside. There’s no rush to make a decision before the season starts.
Expose or trade Drewiske – he doesn’t have the potential upside that Parse has, and there’s a logjam on defense anyway.
Ian Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:13 am
@dk.lakings, I figured this would happen. He looks very promising but who would you get rid of to make room for him?
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nykingfan Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:15 am
@dk.lakings,
Is that such a bad thing that a top prospect can’t crack the lineup with the Kings? It’s certainly not because of poor play. The Kings are pretty sold right now on D.
The 7th D’man slot, which I thought he would get, could have possibly stunted his growth. Do you want your top prospect sitting in the stands for 10-15 straight games?
I guess they feel Drewiskie is probably more suited to that role..and don’t forget waivers. Tht might have been the bigger reason.
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Sancho Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:19 am
@dk.lakings, Actually, it’s nice to see the depth the Kings have.
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KC23 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:20 am
@dk.lakings, He has to be at least the 3rd best puck moving defenseman on the team, which he is not.
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centericeman Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:35 am
@dk.lakings, I agree completely, send Drewiske down. If he has to clear waivers, so be it. He doesn’t seem to have the game that Voynov has.
I think that Murray, as he did last year, puts too much emphasis on size disregarding skill.
We could end up losing him to the KHL, then we have drewiski that rode the pine most of last year. If someone gets hurt, we have a lesser replacment that what we would have had.
Bad decision as far as I am concerned if he ends up sending Voynov down.
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Howe 9 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 1:17 pm
@dk.lakings, That’s surprising that he changed his number from 76 to 26. It’s not unusual that they asked him to get a lower number. It’s just that his lisence plate is RUS-76. With that on your plate it looked like that number meant something to him.
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KingNation13 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 1:59 pm
@dk.lakings,
You also have to keep in mind, we are short on LW’s. Penner at this point is not a given,and Gagne has to prove he can play more than half a season. If we get rid of Parse, who’s left?
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Deke'r Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 2:11 pm
@dk.lakings, He needs experience in season games not just pre-season. Chillax, he’ll be back.
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USHA#17 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 3:43 pm
@dk.lakings,
Among other things there is a matter of clearing waivers for others who might be send down in his place.
Why lose a Dreswike or Parse to waivers? Hang on to them and perhaps later trade them for a future pick or as part of a package for a key player mid-season
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DD better have a damn good game and season. Im not going to give him the slack thats given to other players in preseason. IMO he needs to show that he is worth the 7mil out the gate. None of this ease DD into the lineup…Throw the guy to the wolves!!!
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gene Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:40 am
@BrokeKingsFan, Agree 100%.
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Bill M. Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 3:00 pm
@BrokeKingsFan, I’d rather that he NOT over do it in his first game and get hurt, thanks.
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Voynov should be kept over Drewiske. Voynov has been one of our best dman all preseason & has played better then Drewiske.
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dk.lakings Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:11 am
@Dave, drew has a one-way contract (i believe) thats why he is here and Vito is getting sent down…as much i think that is non-sense
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USHA#17 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 3:46 pm
@dk.lakings,
Again, it would be foolish to give Drewiske away. He could step in and play for most teams. If he does not stick he has some market value. If sent down he will be lost to waivers (in a quick minute) with no compensation.
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Crown Royal Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:05 pm
@Dave,
Looks like not one rookie makes the team this year.
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vicarious Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 1:06 pm
@Dave, I think some other questions Kings management must answer are 1) better for Voynov to play a lot of minutes in Manchester or sit on the bench for the Kings?; and 2) Will Voynov lose patience and bolt for more $ if he’s not able to make the Kings (when for the reasons you’ve stated he probably should). Interesting problem. IMO One a benefit to Doughty being gone most of the pre-season was that Hickey and Voynov got more minutes with NHL players.
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Bill M. Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 3:01 pm
@Dave, Kings: automatically out of the running for the Calder.
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Why is Parse on the team? Waive hime
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Real 7 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:17 am
@hockeykingsguy, not only is Parse not going to be sent anywhere else,
now it looks like he’ll be on the 1st line with Kopi….
I admit he hasn’t earned this chance, but he seems to be handed chance after chance
to prove his worth….maybe patience will pay off in his case; we’ll see…
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Ian Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:26 am
@hockeykingsguy, This guys got more lives than he has teeth.
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gene Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:42 am
@hockeykingsguy, agree 100%, these Russion players are not going to stay in Manchester much longer. They can go back and play in there country for much more money and alot more respect than TM gives them.
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Ike Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:08 pm
@gene, So TM gives Russians no respect. You guys never cease to amaze.
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Chaz Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 3:02 pm
@hockeykingsguy, Parse had a horrific preseason. I don’t blame people for hopping on the Parse hate bandwagon.
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Bummed about the VV news but what’s better for him, being the 7th defencemen and playing maybe 20-30 games a season or go down to the AHL again? I’d probably side with being a 7th d-man so he can get paid more and be some what “rewarded” but I’d imagine most people would like him to play more minutes in Manchester . . although he’s pretty much done proving himself down there
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Cowboy Bill Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:16 am
@Cutty Sarkn3ss, the 7th defenseman could be the survivor of the Drewiske/Martinez roster spot decision. Plus, Scott Sparse has been pitiful! My guess is, Lombardi is afraid of another roster dumpoff scoring 20+ goals in another uniform (Matt Moulson, etc.).
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RobSD Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:52 am
@Cowboy Bill,
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again… Parse and Whiskey need to go… where, I don’t care. Parse has done nothing and now is playing bad. VV has been playing great and DD2 has always blown. How does nobody notice this!!! I think VV will start putting up numbers and will have PP minutes. Nobody would put DD2 on a power play. Except maybe Kompon.
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PP Anybody? Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 2:35 pm
@RobSD, I would agree in the long term that Parse and Whiskey will not fit into the overall plans of this team, but i do get why they are here for the short term. As has been stated before, Parse and Whiskey both would probably be claimed on waivers at this point. I know as a fan it’s a so what issue, but as a GM, wouldn’t you rather trade those assets for even a later round draft pick, than lose them for nothing?
At this point, Whiskey is the only back-up stay at home defenseman we have in the system that is far enough along. God forbid, if something happens to Mitchell or Scuds or Greener, he is there for taking their place. Parse is also one of the only extra guys we have at forward who has some skilled upside, that can play wing. Lokti is a center, and the other prospects we have are still a year or two away from taking that extra winger spot.
RH63 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:35 am
@Cutty Sarkn3ss,
I would give Greene 70 games; AM 54 games; VV 40 games plus any injury games which should be enough experience for him to stay with the club.
On a sidenote, you serving some isolation time? If so, when’s your release date?
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No-no-no, do not send down Voynov. This would be idiotic.
Waive/trade Parse, Drewiske, Martinez … #26 has earned a roster spot!!
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nykingfan Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:20 am
@Cowboy Bill,
Martinez?
Did you see any of the games last season?
Please tell me your kidding that you would dump a young kid who played very well over the course of an 82 game season as opposed to a kid who played well in a few pre-season games.
Voynov has the potential to be a very good player and probably a guy who will slide into a top 4 role next year when either Mitchell or Scuds is no longer here, but you don’t dump people because a prospect had a good camp!
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Tyfighter77 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:48 pm
@nykingfan,
‘Prospect’ is relative. Martinez is a ‘prospect’ too, if you like.
If he hadn’t been injured, Voynov would have made the team out of camp LAST season (instead of Muzzin), and Martinez would have never come up in the first place.
Don’t believe me? Don’t care. His numbers/record speak for themselves.
BUT, coulda-woulda-shoulda… I’m not too worried. Every man in today’s roster (including DD2, but the jury’s out on Parse) work hard, play their roles with excellence, and deserve respect. VV will get his chance this season, sooner or later.
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nykingfan Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 1:10 pm
@Tyfighter77,
I agree 100% that VV will get his chance and I hope he takes advantage of it and never looks back. From all indications, he can be a special player, but why rush him to sit in the press box? Just makes no sense to me. If there’s an injury, he’s call and flight away. At least he won’t have to spend a few games to shake off the rust of not playing.
You’re really not a prospect if you’ve played a full season. At that point, teams and players know what you can do on this level..
Whether you become a mainstay or journeyman is up to AM.
nykingfan Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 1:14 pm
@Tyfighter77,
Also…That’s a heck of a leap to say that he would have made it over the others without ever appearing in a game during camp.
Tyfighter77 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 4:24 pm
@nykingfan,
“That’s a heck of a leap”
Oh I don’t know. He had a better record than Martinez at the time, playing on the same team. But you’re right, we’ll never know what would’ve happened. As long as VV gets his fair shake, which I’m sure he will, all’s well that ends well.
TM (and DL) knows what he’s doing. I’m sure all these things we worry about have occured to him too. I can’t really imagine a scenario where the coach doesn’t say “Hang in there, we love what you’ve shown us, here’s why you need to go down. Be ready because we will need you soon enough. Now go be excellent”
Deke'r Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 2:26 pm
@nykingfan, Right??? Evidently @Cowboy Bill was watching the Duke last season.
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Real 7 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:23 am
@Cowboy Bill, patience!
Voynov will be back this season….I agree he has earned his chance, but not at the expense of losing players the Kings have invested years in developing….
a spot will open up when the time comes, either through injury or trade; but waiving any of the three players you mentioned would be foolish at this point….
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carrie Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:09 pm
@Real 7, All three dmen have essentially been in the system for the same amount of time. Drewiske came in at the tail end of a season and played a handful of regular season and play off games with Manchester. Voynov getting a spot over either DD2 or Martinez wouldn’t be any sort of line jumping. And with Parse losing almost two full seasons to injuries, he’s essentially been active for the least (counting only time when he was actually able to participate).
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Marc Nathan Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:23 am
@Cowboy Bill, you obviously have much to learn about the game… Martinez has earned the right to be a top 6 defenseman on the Kings!
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RobSD Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:54 am
@Marc Nathan,
I like Martinez and I think he is solid. I haven’t seen too much of the preseason, only listened on the radio. I have seen DD2 and Martinez play a lot of games and Martinez is heads above DD2. From what I’ve seen preseason, VV is heads above DD2 as well.
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Cowboy Bill Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:58 am
@Marc Nathan, if Voynov doesn’t bolt for the KHL, you will look back on his career with the Kings and just shake your head. Martinez may have earned a roster spot, as you say, but if you compare him ability-wise to Voynov, which one is a better player? Who has more potential? Who would you rather lose, Voynov or Martinez? Like you I’ve watched hockey for 40+ years and there is no doubt Martinez has played pretty well, but VV is a stud … why else do so many other NHL teams want to trade for him? No such offers for Martinez … if there were offers, DL would’ve already dealt him … case closed!!
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Ike Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:11 pm
@Cowboy Bill, What teams have made offers for voynov and what did they offer?
nykingfan Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:17 pm
@Cowboy Bill,
re you sure about the no offers for Martinez or just guesing on that?
EASportsMgt Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:41 pm
@Cowboy Bill, I disagree on so many fronts here. First let’s agree that VV has a lot potential. But thats where our agreements end. Martinez is a much more solid player than VV right now. VV has played good but even in Las Vegas he was a step behind in the first period. Out of position a few times. Played really shaky until the 3rd when he finally settled down. Martinez isn’t as flashy or fast, but hes a great skater and plays solid D to go along with his offensive awareness. I would place Martinez over VV on the depth chart any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
So the next question is really VV or DD2? But that’s easy. Many believe because DD2 stays over VV that its because DD2 is better or higher on the depth chart. Neither of which I believe. It’s just economics and doing what’s best for your prospect. VV will not be better off being the Kings #7 D. He is better off playing in Manchester. I’m sure the coaches will explain the business to him and he will know he will come back soon. You cent risk losing DD2 just because you guys want him on the team and for him to sit. Not smart.
KC23 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:26 am
@Cowboy Bill, Martinez was a plus 11 and our 3rd highest scoring defenseman. Voynov has a few pre-season games where he played okay. I don’t see it.
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gene Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:43 am
@Cowboy Bill, man again I agree 100%
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Jsauce23 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:05 pm
@Cowboy Bill, Voynov will be back players do get injured. Parse has shown in the past he can play he deserves to stay for now
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Roger Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 1:56 pm
@Cowboy Bill, No way trade wave or cut Martinez. Glad your not the GM
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I’ve always thought Penner was Soft. Now he is starting to prove it. I really want to give this guy the benefit of the doubt. However I think he may be the one weak link holding this team back from a great year. All we heard all off season is how fit and committed this guy is. He looked the same to me this preseason. Still does not hustle. Still does not score goals. Still does not use his size and body. Suck it up buttercup.
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Jumblehead Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 5:10 pm
@PK, Penner’s game winning goal in the last minute against The Yotes not withstanding?
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Voynov certainly has a chance to make this team, but I would still be surprised if he did. The reason? Most kids who are drafted at 18, especially defensemen, are not ready to play consistently in the NHL til their between 24 and 27, Rob Scuderi is a perfect example of that (26). Some of you on this site think that because Doughty and Johnson have done it, everyone else should be able to do it as well. Doughty is the “exception” not the rule. And as far as JJ goes, trust me on this..if we had the kind of depth that we have now when we traded for JJ, he would have been sent down to Manchester to trained properly how to play instead of taking his lumps with grown men like has.
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nykingfan Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:20 am
@puck73,
Exactly!
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Goring 19 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:25 am
@puck73, Indeed
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KC23 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:29 am
@puck73, Ah, a voice of reason. Thank you. Not to mention it is arguable to say that JJ has done it. (waits till Dominick turns his head away … flashes JJ’s -21 plus/minus).
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RH63 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:39 am
@puck73,
Wow, 24-27 eh? That’s 7 to 9 years in the juniors/minors. No offense, but this is a ridiculous claim. Yeah, not everyone’s a Doughty but not everyone’s a Scuderi either. Plenty of 18 yr old drafted dmen make the club prior to 24 and plenty have found success.
It’s really not as black and white as you put it.
Definitely not the voice of reason.
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puck73 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:46 am
@RH63, Most young defensemen under 24 get schooled by grown men. Ans as far as you go my friend? I dont recall seeing you on this site so I am going to have to assume that you are a troll and well on your way to being moderated.
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RH63 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:52 am
@puck73,
You know very well who I am pucky but if you want to pretend you don’t know me, by all means go ahead. There are literally 100s and 100s of dmen who have played well before 24 and found success. I won’t post them all but Lubo and Blake are just two of many.
kinginsaltlake Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 1:04 pm
@puck73, Puck calm dowm buddie, don’t let these folks get to you. We all have our views. We all know that you are a well versed defensive guy. I love that about you. Your Comments always start with the defense. Now go into the corner until you realize what you have done. No body needs monderation. LOL
gene Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:46 am
@RH63, The angers have kept a 18 year old D man jon there roster for the start. Dont agree, Voynov deserves to be on the 23 man roster.
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nykingfan Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:50 am
@RH63,
Anyone can make a club. Heck you can stick an 18 yr old D’man on the Maple Leafs or the Oilers and say he “made the team”..but is he ready to play in the NHL?
You don’t reach maturity as a defenseman until 24-27.
Why have him go thru the growing pains in the NHL when you have the luxury of being able to keep them down in the minors..where you’re supposed to learn your craft?
You say they’ve had success….what age did they have success? Not at 18!
You might want to re-consider what he said because he was dead on!
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RH63 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:00 pm
@nykingfan,
Most players go through some growing pains, that’s just a fact. Bottom line is VV has served time in the nhl with men bigger, stronger and faster. Now, he’s ready to make the next step. Whether he’s under 24 or not is totally irrelevant. He’s shown he’s ready and deserves a chance.
nykingfan Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:24 pm
@RH63,
It’s not about serving your time. Kyle Clifford made the club last year. He never played in the minors, but had a body and game that was condusive to playing in the NHL against bigger men.
Do we really know whether Voynov can handle the the physicality of the NHL or the pace of the NHL? No we don’t. We all think he can, but we’re just guessing. is it fair to ask him to sit 20 games and play at the NHL level?
Why sit the kid in the press box?
It might be good for his wallet and ego, but certainly doesn’t help the Kings doing that.
If an injruy occurs to a puck moving D’man, he’s a phone call away from Manchester.
RH63 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:54 pm
@nykingfan,
How will we EVER know whether someone is ready unless we give them the opportunity. VV by far has one of the best camp and is deserving of an opportunity. Will he be successful? We don’t know. That’s what an opportunity is, to give someone a chance.
Smaller Lubo made it when he was 21 yrs old. I don’t think too many kings fans complained about his growth.
Michael J. Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:57 am
@RH63,
I guess the question is “how many 18 year-old Defensemen actually crack NHL lineups?” My bet is two or three a year, with one or two sticking.
I agree with @Puck73 in that most NHL defensemen don’t figure it out until they are in their mid 20′s. The Kings have a good thing in that they do not have to rush anybody into the NHL lineup at this time a la Sydor, Rosa, McBean, Berg, and dare I say… Brown.
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RH63 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:02 pm
@Michael J.,
Well, we’re not talking about an 18 yr old rookie. Voynov is almost 22 years and have played with men down in the ahl level.
Michael J. Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:07 pm
@RH63,
My reference to 18 year olds was to the comment you made above. My extermely limited yet pretty much amatuer personal opinion is, and has been for two weeks,that VV should stick with the Kings. I believe that he is ready.
I think the Kings simply don’t want to lose a player to another team via the waiver wire.
Michael J. Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:44 am
@puck73,
I really hope this kid stays in North America. He’s got options, and he knows it. Hopefully he considers his long-term goals versus short-lived frustrations.
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Kings Win, Ducks Lose Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:48 am
@puck73, I disagree… He’s played 3 full years with “Men” at the AHL level, not juniors… DD2 got into 38 games last season… I think he can stay busy enough as a 7th d-man, especially if TM gives the vets (Mitchell, Scuderi & Greene) some time off here & there… Plus, injuries happen…
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nykingfan Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:55 am
@Kings Win, Ducks Lose,
those are minor leaguers he’s played with..not NHL players.
The biggest jump in all of sports is AHL (or AAA in baseball) to the NHL.
DD2 was moved all around, including playing wing. He never got into a groove of playing a large handful of games in a row. That’s not an easy thing to do..be asked to go out and play at the NHL level after sitting 15 games.
Why are we so willing to ask a rookie to do it when it’s not necessary?
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He Shoots, He Scores Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:12 pm
@nykingfan,
Really? I think the NBA’s D-League to the NBA is probably much tougher…
nykingfan Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:27 pm
He Shoots, He Scores,
You misunderstood.
I meant making the jump from the minor leagues to any professional league (NHL,NBA,MLB,etc)
puddle Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:56 pm
@nykingfan, The D-League is really the only equivalent minor league system for the NBA, so his analogy seemed accurate to me. Making an NBA team from the D-League affiliate (e.g. going from the D-Fenders to the Lakers or the Bakersfield Jam to the Clippers) and then sticking on the roster is almost impossible. The difference in the level of play is astoundingly large and the roster spots are far less fluid.
puck73 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:56 am
@Kings Win, Ducks Lose, I am not saying he wont make it, what I am saying is, is that I would not be surprised at all if he didnt for differnt reasons. And I will still stick by my claim that defense is the hardest position to learn and thats why I have told some of the people on this site that you shouldnt just be willing to toss Hickey, Campbell, and others in the garbage can just because they havent made it yet.
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carrie Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:11 pm
@puck73, Eh… Campbell it’d probably be okay if you did.
Kingsfanone Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:57 am
@puck73,
That’s it right there!
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I hate to say it, but I think if they send Voynov down, he won’t be taking that long flight to Manchester… He probably will take the must shorter one to the KHL.
I think thing there are two spots for Voynov right now. Drewiski and Parse shouldn’t be on this team. I rather have Voynov and say King or Clune as the extra forward, instead of Drewiski and Parse!
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puck73 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:25 am
@hockeykingsguy, King is not ready for the NHL yet, and as far as Clune goes, well, he had to clear waivers and he did…what does that tell you?
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hockeykingsguy Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:29 am
@puck73, I said as an extra Forward. You think Parse deserves to be here? King had a better camp than Parse. Clune will at least bring energy and can play when asked to. What does Parse do?
And by the way, most players clear waivers right now because rosters are full.. Very few if any get claimed. So what does that tell you?
I think re-entry Clune would get picked up.
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nykingfan Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:25 am
@hockeykingsguy,
You could very well be right about VV leaving the Kings, but what would that tell you about the guy?
He’s not old by any stretch of the imagination and he knows the Kings have future plans for him. If not, I’m sure he could assume another team would and he would likely be traded.
If he jumps to the KHL, that to me means he’s just another lazy player not willing to do what’s necessary to become a star in this league. That means continue learning your trade in the minors until it’s your time to get called up and then proving you belong,
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KC23 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:30 am
@hockeykingsguy, If he does he is a fool. Voynov is one injury to either DD, JJ or Martinez away from playing regularly in the NHL.
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Silence Dogood Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:44 am
@KC23, You have it right. Mgmt needs to talk to VV and explain that he can go to Manchester without waivers, play a lot of minutes and be ready to come to LA when the first injury to a D-man occurs.
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gene Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:47 am
@hockeykingsguy, Right on, this is a nother TM stupid move.
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dduffy Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:33 pm
@gene,
FYI – TM doesn’t make these decisions – Lombardi does.
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nykingfan Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:36 pm
@gene,
Geez
we’ve jsut come off 2 straight years of playoffs with the bar set higher this year for a cup.
Those 2 years of making the playoffs..after a decade long drought, was under the regime of TM.
You’re right…he’s an idiot!
How dare that idiot not find a spot for VV as a seldom used 7th defensman.
How dare that idiot think of the team and the players well-being when he should be thinking about only the fans need to see the flavor of the month.
Who does that idiot think he is?
I demand we bring back Crawford!!
I need a drink!!!!!
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I really liked what I saw from Voynov the other night in Vegas. A little shaky to start but warmed up later. He has a heck of a slapshot that is actually on the net. I like DD2 also, very dependable, but nothing really specail there. Reference Penner, he madea couple of good plays at FF, but for the most part, he just didn’t seem tohave any drive or effort. He got hit from behind and knocked to the ice on the one play while standing next to the boards and he went down hard. Hopefully there isn’t some other “issue” going on because the Kings really need him to step up,exert some effort, use his size and skill in front of the next, and draw some attention away from Kopi.
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KC23 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:31 am
@DesertKing, He does look to have a good future, but I don’t think he’s ready to crack this strong defensive line up just yet.
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DesertKing Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:24 pm
@KC23,
Isn’t it great that we do have such a strong D line-up? Many other teams are panicked because they don’t have any good choices, farm system or FA, to fill that 6th D-man slot and here we have a very strong competition to see who will be our #7. It is good to be in the Kingdom right now.
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SLIM Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 1:20 pm
@DesertKing,
This is what is called “Quality Problems”…
Hope it is not true about voynov heading Manchester. We may end up losing him to KHL…..in that case. Scott P over stayed his welcome IMHO.
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Deke'r Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 3:04 pm
@Zuggyfan, If that’s the case then “Без перевода”.
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Could Voynov opt to go to europe? I dont know the specifics on contracts and so on but could he go and sign for a team overseas aand say screw Manchester?
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Will the game be aired on Hamburgs website or any german tv station?
A swedish tv-channel showed NY Rangers against Frölunda a couple days ago.
When is the game?
Btw, looking forward to Friday!
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KC23 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 3:08 pm
@Sweden, Yes, 10am streamed, but in German not English.
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Can’t help but be frustrated with how they are dealing with Voynov, yeah i get it we have a great team right now, filled with vet talent. Can we please not make a terrible mistake and feel like we don’t need to develop within our system? Kings don’t have the money to keep signing “money” players I don’t want to see our prospects flee to bigger and better things! I doubt Lokti has unpacked his suitecase in manchester and, I predicted earlier my fear of Voynov having a one way ticket to europe, which is was kidding about, but if they try and send him down, wouldn’t be surprised if he just stays, its a lot closer to Russia, and thats were he’s heading. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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puck73 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:30 am
@hockeynerd, Welcome to the new world that Detroit and New Jersey have had for years, its called depth. And BTW, get used to losing players when you have this much depth. Alot of players will bust their ass to make this team and STILL wont make it! And last but not least..Dean Lombardi has forgotten more about talent evaluation then all of us on this site will ever know.
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DesertKing Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:26 pm
@puck73,
Except Quisp. And Waves, and KC23, and Dominick, and Anthony…………. and that guy in Vegas, and……….
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I don’t understand the preference to Parse over Voynov. Maybe they want Voynov to get the playing time down in Manchester knowing full well he won’t see consistent ice time in the NHL because our back 6 is so stacked.
None the less, I think he has earned the 7th spot over Drewiske, and a roster spot over Parse….why those two will remain on the kings for the start of the season is beyond me.
But hey it’s early, Voynov will probably get called up during the year if Marty slips, or if ANYONE is injured.
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KC23 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:36 am
@Jay, One has to clear waviers and one doesn’t. One is trying to crack the 7th best defense and the other trying to crack 25th best offense.
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puck73 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:38 am
@KC23, Great analogy, concur.
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hockeynerd Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:42 am
@Jay, They can only call him up if he is in Manchester. He is not under contract right now, So unless they are going to sign him to a one way deal, which really only benefits him because, he will have to clear waivers when la tries to call him up and he 100% will be picked up. Win Win for Voynov. Or he flees to Russia, makes a few shmillion until he either gets his rights traded or waits for free agency. I get it, losing him, Loki, Bud any promising prospect isn’t going to hinder or effect the time this year, next year? 2 years? but it will bite the kings in the butt. Who would want to get drafted to this team? sign as a free agent out of college? this makes me mad.
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Michael J. Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:49 am
@hockeynerd,
According to capgeek Voynov is under contract for two more years http://capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=1035
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Jay Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 3:58 pm
@hockeynerd,
yea what are you talking about? He is under contract…
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Voynov heading to Manchester? I guess I was wrong again…
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Want to adress the general feelings here. DD needs to be eased in. 7 mill doesn’t mean handle him with total disregard to common sense.
Being in love with Voynov to the point that you would sacrifice some other player is going to drive you crazy. Sending Voynov down means the Kings don’t have to lose anyone in return, and Voynov can be called up at any time..
Voynov can’t bail if he’s sent down, because he’s under contract, and he can’t just leave in the middle of it any easier than a player in the KHL can just defect to the NHL in the middle of a contract. The KHL themselves wouldn’t allow it for fear that KHL players would leave when ever they wanted. There are international rules gaurding against players under contract going to other leagues. That’s why guys like Malkin had to wait for their contracts to run there course before they could play here, and players wait till their FA’s to leave the NHL.
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Michael J. Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:46 am
@Dominick,
If what you state is correct, then I feel much better about the decision to send him down.
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hockeynerd Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:48 am
@Dominick, Voynov is not under contract, Kings still have his rights and can offer him a qualifying offer, he can decline and head to russia.
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Michael J. Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:50 am
@hockeynerd,
Actually, it looks like he is: http://capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=1035
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Jason4Kings Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:05 pm
@Michael J.,
Yeah, i was under the impression that both he and Lokti were still signed through next season and we have no fear of them bailing.
gene Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:50 am
@Dominick, Didnot we loose Moller and another player to the other league this summer and both of them were under contract to the kings?????
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Michael J. Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:00 pm
@gene,
If I remember right their contracts were up…
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Downsy Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:04 pm
@Michael J Moller contract is up but still is a RFA. So he can only sign with the Kings
nykingfan Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 1:20 pm
@gene,
He still is under contract to the Kings.
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EASportsMgt Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 1:56 pm
@gene, their contracts had expired, Holloway, Moller and Elkins all were up for another contract. They’re are RFAs Si their rights stayed with the Kings. They can either return and sign with the kings or play in Europe until they become UFAs. Most likely the case for Elkins and Holloway
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DesertKing Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:27 pm
@Dominick,
Thanks!! Explained it so even I could understand it
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Once again, Bon Voynov!
As per Dominick’s post above and anyone fretting over Voynov, I figured I’d repost my take on developing players… hopefully it eases any concerns. Or maybe someone has a different point of view that makes sense.
The way I see the franchise taking shape, including Manchester, is huge positive for the Kings future. The days of bringing in talent before they’re ready are rapidly coming to an end and I couldn’t be happier about it. As we’re forging this new identity, there will be many who will be left by the wayside.
The focus of any player not in the NHL should be to get there. If he has other ideas, then we don’t need him. Let him go. By keeping them hungry, they will collectively become a stronger and more determined crop of talent each year. And that’s the way it should be as far as I’m concerned. It’s sometimes hard to see players go (for me Oscar leaving sucked) but if he doesn’t want to continue the pursuit then c’est la vie. You don’t forge diamonds by lumping a bunch of coal together; you apply massive pressure continuously for a long time until that shiny prospect emerges from the rough.
The main factor that will solidify the Kings new found philosophy in developing players is that the Kings themselves will need to become a perennial post season threat. Consistent legitimacy is the one thing the Kings have always lacked and the one thing fans have always wanted. By doing so, it will have reverberations throughout the organization as well as throughout the league. LA will become a destination, not just a place to visit.
The last time the Kings made the playoffs 3 years in a row was 10 years ago. It is critical for the club to make it again this year or the Kings will be taking a big step backwards, which will negatively impact the progress DL has made. Every year is a huge test, but for the new Kings, these next set of years will be the most important yet in determining if the new identity DL is trying to establish will take full shape or become yet another failed attempt by the Kings to become a premier club.
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puck73 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:02 pm
@wavesinair, So well said. Even if it was said before, it never gets old reading pulitzer material.
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bbb7 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:22 pm
@wavesinair, Well said. The only spot for Voynov on the Kings is as a 7th D – and maybe getting some PP time – and if he plays 12 min per game, it would likely cause him to regress in his development. He’ll be up here soon enough, and knowing hockey and injuries he’ll probably get into 15 games before the year is out. Slow and steady development, no crash and burn.
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Crown Royal Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:23 pm
@wavesinair,
Some good points but I think it’s a bit more complex in terms of structure. At this moment how many impact NHL level forwards do the Kings have at Manchester? When I say impact either top six or bottom six guys? Probably no one is ready. There are some puck moving d-men who are close (Voynov-Hickey) with Muzzin and Campbell who could play in a pinch if a bigger d-man was required.
DL has to be careful to integrate players who are ready into the NHL lineup because you don’t want too many players of the same age on the team all at once. (Unless they are the Oilers of the early eighties) That’s a way of making your team too old and maybe not quite as hungry if you have too many players with long term contracts which seems to be a growing NHL trend.
Also part of the development of the young players is getting to the NHL level where the competition is best. Yes, you need organizational depth-most NHL cup challenging teams are eight or nine defensemen deep, but you can’t squander players either. It gets tricky. Moller and Holloway are playing on a line together in Sweden. Maybe Holloway and his agent were right in leaving. Not a single rookie looks to make the Kings roster this season. Perhaps they saw the hand writing on the wall.
DL has done a great job but the youngs guys in the organization need their chances. Most dynasty type teams usually manage to work the young guys in. We’ll see how DL does with his team.
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Does anyone know if the game on Tuesday is going to be on radio or TV?
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Garry Galley Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:10 pm
@deadcatbounce, no, it is going to be on ICE
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deadcatbounce Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:49 pm
@Garry Galley, Really cringeworthy!
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DesertKing Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:51 pm
@Garry Galley,
Nails on chalklboard!!
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Keep Voynov. If Parse is going stay with the kings why not Loki or King stay as towards? They outplayed parse. Trade or waive him. Get extra cap space by doing that.
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gene Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:04 pm
@Downsy, again agree 100%
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Michael J. Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:10 pm
@Downsy,
I don’t think they can get anything for him now. If you or I were a GM, what would we give up for Parse?
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Downsy Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 1:20 pm
@Michael J., Waive him. Or trade him for a 5th or 6th round pick. It’s about extra cap space.
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Michael J. Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 1:45 pm
@Downsy,
If they could get a pick… I’m not sure why anyone would give up an asset when they might be able to pick him up on the wire.
I would keep him.
Off Topic:
What if we traded doughty?
http://capgeek.com/trade_machine.php?team1=17&team2=20&team-17-players%5B%5D=1302&team-17-players%5B%5D=1010&team-17-players%5B%5D=1381&team-20-players%5B%5D=773&team-20-players%5B%5D=791&CompleteTradeButton=
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Oktoberdest-luenza?
on a brighter note, Anze Kopitar’s odds of winning the Hart Trophy: 18/1 (better than Corey Perry 25/1, Martin St. Louis 25/1, Evgeni Malkin 30/1, Jarome Iginla 30/1, Brad Richards 30/1, Joe Thornton 40/1, etc.)
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KC23 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:22 pm
@Garry Galley, Whoa, that is interesting. Especially coming off a major injury.
I was VERY concerned that Kopitar would take a while to get going again this season, but from what I saw in the pre-season he looks as good as ever.
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LA_1968 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:23 pm
@Garry Galley, I saw the Kings are 8th favorite to win the cup this year. 17/1. Just ahead of the Blackhawks. The Caps are the favs at 8.5 to 1.
I saw Kopi and Quick on Sunday Night Football commercial last night. Promoting start of season on Versus.
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it’d be absolutely insane to send Voynov down… especially when there’s a chance his stop in Manchester would be to change planes and keep on flying to the KHL. I like Martinez, but Voynov is out-playing him. Playing down at Manchester is just a waste now.
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KC23 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:24 pm
@ziggy, Voynov will be back up soon enough. There are always injuries to every team and usually every non-goalie position. He is one concussion/groin pull ect… away from playing with the big club every day.
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DO NOT FREAK OUT!
Voynov & Loktionov ARE under contract with the Kings for this and the following season.
The other players that did leave for Europe this summer did so only after their contracts expired and they were restricted free agents. No contracts were violated and rules were observed.
Just like Kitsyn had to go back to the KHL to finish his contract there, so will our two blue chip prospects stay in the NHL/AHL leagues until their contracts play out, or they sign new ones with the Kings.
Slava and Lokti going to Manchester is strictly a waiver exposure thing on a team that wants tons of depth for a long cup run.
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Dominick Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:27 pm
@Token, I was just going to explain this, but you brought up every single point I was going to make.
I was even going to bring up Kitsyn, and remind everyone that he is not gone forever, which will make things even more difficult next season (I believe).
Great job!
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Michael J. Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:40 pm
@Token,
“Voice of reason”
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puddle Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:59 pm
@Token, Where’s the “Like” button when I need it?
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TM said it was just a lineup change the first time. Now “not feeling well”. For some reason they don’t want to say what the problem is. Could be depression or something non injury related? Speculation.
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Stuart Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:40 pm
@LA_1968, “it hurts my feelings when they boo”
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RobSD Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:54 pm
@Stuart,
Hahaha. Well he is going to be in a deep depression if he plays anything like last year.
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Forum Gold Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 3:33 pm
@LA_1968, Dean Lombardi has to be second guessing himself about this acquisition. GO KINGS GO!!!
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As much as I would like to see VV make the club, I would be completely ok if he decide to jettison to the KHL. This way, VV’s happier and his departure gives someone like Hickey or Muzzin another shot as well.
What I don’t want to see is to see VV being down in the AHL the entire season.
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nykingfan Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:42 pm
@RH63,
Are you in fact VV?
If not, why the heck would you care about the happiness of a player we don’t even know..because we’ve never seen him play an NHL game, and say go ahead and stick it to my favorite team because they had the nerve to ask you to go down for another year.
I’m surprised you haven’t called for Hickey or Muzzin to demand a trade or hold out for not getting a shot either, or is that next?
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RH63 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:47 pm
@nykingfan,
He’s better off playing against KHL competition than he is against AHL competition, it’s simple as that.
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This just in-
The Hamburg Freezers have announced a lineup of honorary captians for this season. The Captains will include:
William The Refrigerator Perry
Ice Cube, Ice-T and Vanilla Ice
The entire bands, ColdPlay and Frigid Pink
That mean girl from 7th grade that would never talk to me-The Ice Queen
Chuck The Ice Man Liddell
Arnold Schwarzenegger as Mr. Freeze
Jeff Friesen
Some guy named Chip
Endorsement fees will be donated to the Freezer’s favorite charity; The Slush Fund.
In related news, the game will be a test to see whether the Kings can take the heat from the Hamburg Freezers, led by their goalie Patty Bunfill who recently recovered from a moving pick. Bunfill has a history of frigid relations with the Freezers but now, after once calling Bunfill a “hot dog” and the “worst brat” he’d ever dealt with, General Manager Frank Furter has been chipping away at the problem and feels tensions have thawed. When asked if he had warmed to the idea of accepting Furter’s offer to renew his contract, Bunfill left the door open.
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DesertKing Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:29 pm
@Player-X,
Dude, that was cold!
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Belexes Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:32 pm
@Player-X,
Stone Cold Steve Austin was pretty heated about not making the lineup..
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Michael J. Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:42 pm
@Player-X,
They seem to have missed George “The Ice Man” Gervin
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DesertKing Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:50 pm
@Player-X,
Vanilla Ice used to play center. Wonder why he isn’t on the team?
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wavesinair Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:51 pm
@Player-X,
Of course, how can we forget Val Kilmer from Top Gun.
It doesn’t matter what happens on the ice, whenever the Iceman speaks, all he ever says is, “I don’t like you because you’re dangerous.”
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Bluecoconuts Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:55 pm
@Player-X, Sub Zero didn’t make captain? Balderdash!
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Player-X Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 5:10 pm
@Player-X, Current Hamburg Freezers and former Korean National head coach Peald Un Yun was fighting back tears, but he didn’t mince words; “If my guys can’t cut the mustard, then they will have to play catch up, and that’s a thought I don’t relish. I know it sounds cheesy, but it’s true.” When asked to comment on the chippy play from an Eastern Bloc team, Yun stated that the ice was choppy, and his guys were getting picked on. By the end of the game, they were just crushed.
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Some interesting stuff about Stefane Richer….
Richer was known to have one of the hardest shots in the NHL during his playing days, coupled with an extremely quick release. Unlike many other players, Richer only had to wind up his stick to about waist height to achieve full power on his shot. Recognition of his hard shot was noticed even more when Fleer trading cards included Richer in their “Slapshot Artists” limited set for the 1994–95 season.[2] During the 1994 New Jersey Devils team-only skills competition prior to the All-Star Game, Richer recorded multiple slapshots that exceeded the 100 mph mark.
In a well documented legend, during one pre-game warm up session in New Jersey, Richer fired a slapshot at his own goalie, Martin Brodeur, which shattered the cup in Brodeur’s jock strap, leaving him bruised and nauseated. Brodeur had to leave the ice and change equipment moments before the game started.
It was also RUMORED that he was gay…..He was a great player of his time..
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RobSD Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:56 pm
@SLIM,
Did I miss something? Where did that come from?
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SLIM Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 1:41 pm
@RobSD,
It was supposed to lighten the mood..
Like throwing a curveball…Guess it didn’t work…
Richer is the Frozen Hamhurgers GM..
Or head of that league..
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Real 7 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 1:42 pm
@SLIM, I think you have the wrong guy….
there were TWO Stephane Richer’s in NHL history; the one coaching Hamburg scored exactly ONE GOAL in his NHL career…..check it out..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St%C3%A9phane_J._G._Richer
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“Patty Bunfill” ? LOL, Awesome, nice work here!
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Risk Whiskey or Parse to waivers and let Martinez and Voynov split the season. They both bring similar skill sets with different upsides and both can play on the PP. Neither one needs to be the 7th man, they can split the duties.
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RobSD Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 1:09 pm
@TheRussianKing,
Agreed! I think it’s a coin flip if either get’s picked up.
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KC23 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 3:15 pm
@TheRussianKing, Lets see a few decent pre-season games playing with a top defenseman Vs a proven player with over 60 regular season games and 6 playoff games under his belt and at +11 playing along side our worst defenseman that was coming off an injury.
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Keep Voynov in LA, come on, he’s NHL ready, and will proivde A LOT more to LA than Drewiske. No offense to Drewiske, BTW…
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Have to disagree that Voynov outplaying Martinez. Perhaps offensively, but not defensively. Fact is, Kings are defensively minded team and Voynov will not have the same chances to shine on the powerplay now that DD is back. Knock on wood, but seems unlikely that our defensemen will all go injury free this year so sure Voynov will be called up at some point, just like Martinez last year.
It’s getting a little tiresome bagging on Parse every thread. Why don’t we let him get his timing back and play ten regular season games and then revisit this. Personally, I think he has potential to score 15+ goals this season and we may need that if Penner can’t get it together
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KC23 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:59 pm
@bringbackbutchgoring, Good post and you’re right, no way Voynov has proven to be taking Martinez’s job. I could give a pretty good argument that Martinez is better than JJ much less a rookie with a few decent pre-season games under his belt.
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bringbackbutchgoring Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 1:14 pm
@KC23, Haha that’s funny because I also think Martinez is better than JJ. JJ’s decision making skills especially in our own end are a bit questionable and I’ve yet to see Martinez get flustered like JJ does….guess we have to wait ten years to find out who’s right
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Cruiznblue Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 1:00 pm
@bringbackbutchgoring,
I agree with a lot of other people on here that Parse is awful…I dont see what TM sees in him. Parse just doesn’t have that passion especially when he is chasing 50/50 pucks…he will lose almost all of those battles. He is hesitant and not physical…he isnt big…but apparently has a “nice” shot. And now he is going to handcuff Kopitar if he starts on the 1st line with him. Give Kopi 2 good wingers and he can be top 5 in scoring this season…Parse is 3rd/4th line MAYBE!
The only goal Parse scored last year when he got back on the ice that I recall…was when he was in front of the net doing a spin-a-rama looking dazed and confused…and the puck hit his skate and went in. He wont score 15 goals…
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bringbackbutchgoring Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 1:43 pm
@Cruiznblue, Check his stats from two years ago. 11 goals 24 pts in 59 games and +13. He was good and he does have the possibility of scoring 15 goals.
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Shakes Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 1:03 pm
@bringbackbutchgoring,
+1
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RobSD Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 1:11 pm
@Shakes,
+2
Martinez is solid. I think he will continue to get better too.
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puddle Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 1:41 pm
@bringbackbutchgoring, You and I would get along splendidly. I also agree with you that Martinez is a better player than Jack, and I too see a ton of promise in Parse. His per minute scoring numbers the past few years have been off the charts.
Let me put it this way: in 2010, if Parse had played as many minutes as Anze Kopitar and he had continued scoring at the same clip, he would have had 98 points. In 2011, if he had played as many minutes as Kopitar and continued scoring at the same pace, he would have had 108 points. Basically, in small sample sizes, this guy is a freaking stud. His GVT/g last year in 5 games was .20, which would have finished second on the team behind Kopitar.
I just get the feeling he needs to get his sea-legs and get some confidence and he could surprise a lot of people.
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I can’t believe how much I’ve learned about minor league hockey, NHL contracts, KHL, UFA/RFA and player developement over the last two years.
I owe it all to whoever had the foresight to put together this blog site and hire Rich. I wish I knew who to thank. In my mind I’m thinking Luc, but I’m not sure.
I remember being in awe of Canadian fans and their knowledge, but not any more thanks to this blog.
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Shakes Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 1:05 pm
@KC23,
[insert eloquent hockey related comment here which echoes those sentiments...hmm...can't think of anything right now....hmmm... brain not working right now... hmmm.. ]
ok go with old standby hockey comment: Ducks suck.
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Zeley Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 2:09 pm
@Shakes, That replay says it all. No need to elaborate.
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Peter Harrold placed on waivers today by NJ.
http://t.co/Svz7fY5s
Hope Harry can find himself an NHL spot.
Voynov should stay. Drewiskie should be traded or waived, simply because he has b peaked as an NHL defenseman in a 5-6 role and we have prospects (Like Slava) who are doing that now and will go much higher. Martinez should stay just because he has earned his spot and he has NOT peaked either.
Just my take on it. Would hate to see Voynov go down.
I’m thinking Parse slipped a mickey in Penner’s drinky-poo last night. Maybe he’ll play on the left now..
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Zeley Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 2:10 pm
@Cynic, Your last sentence was my thoughts exactly, and I also thought of you as I thought of Parse.
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Voynov should stay. Please TM/DL do not send down VV. He has earned the spot. Send down Parse or Drewiskie. Sure they will be picked up. Who cares. As for Penner, I get the opinion something is wrong. Doesn’t sound promissing. Good luck in Europe! Go Kings Go!
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I may get some grief for this, but, if I were to guess, these are the likely reasons as to why Parse will stay:
1.) He is cheap – if I am not mistaken, doesn’t he make under $1m.
2.) Last season, he was slated to play 1st LW after IK’s drama. So management believes in him.
3.) He maybe seen as a backup to DP.
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rick Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 2:06 pm
@Ari, I agree about Penner. I know that the season hasn’t even started, but I have a hard time believing that we are going to see a “new and improved” Penner this year. You can lose weight and add muscle over a summer, but what’s in your heart (and head) ain’t gonna change. Hope I am wrong, but don’t think I am.
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downsy89 Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 2:13 pm
@rick, I believe Penner will improve. He was in Edmonton. He was on a team that was not doing so well. He on a winning team now, and is focus (head) because he lost his weight. Tomorrow we will be able get a better idea. I have not watched Penner in action this season yet, but its not all about his stats.
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TheRussianKing Reply:
October 3rd, 2011 at 2:16 pm
@rick, He’s playoff proven, his value is safe in that alone. We know he can be great, TM just needs to ride him as hard has Carlyle did and not ease up. Penner is proven when pushed.
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Here’s what I expect. Both Lokti and Voynov can be sent down and recalled without having to clear waivers. Parse and Drewiskie will likely be picked up by another team if put through waivers. Drewiskie has proven to be a valuable back up that doesn’t complain about sitting in the press box for long stretches. When (not if) we see ANY injuries, expect Lokti and Voynov to not only be called up, but to jump straight into the line up ahead of Parse and Drewiskie. Also, this allows Parse some more time to find his rhythm in practice. Last, i would think Dean will be looking for ways to move some combination of Parse, Drewiskie, and possibly an additional defensive prospect before the trade deadline. If we send them down now, they get picked up and we get zero return. We keep them on the team and look for a way to move them elsewhere for at least some sort of minimal return or as part of a package.
Voynov is not going to bolt to the KHL now that he’s on the cusp.
It just makes good business sense to protect your assets.
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No Zatkoff? Why not give Quick, Bernie and Zatkoff one period each?
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Hope Voynov declines to be sent down to Manchester if the Kings try to demote him after his fine play during the past 3 years and this trainiing camp and pre-season. Drewiske is a pile-on and at least 2 D-men will be on the scrap heap(Mitchell,Scuderi) soon. Lombardi’s plan is starting to fall apart or rather really didn’t have much substance. Schenn,Simmonds,Moller and Holloway can atest to that. What next Lombardi…
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