All players were on the ice for practice this morning, but Terry Murray indicated that at least one player would be told today about being cut. Not coincidentally, defenseman Andrew Campbell was on TSN’s list of players who were placed on waivers today. If Campbell clears tomorrow morning, he would be eligible to be assigned to Manchester.
After practice today, Murray said that only the 24-man opening-night roster would go to Europe. As Murray explained it, the Kings had the option to bring extra players to Europe, to practice and play in Tuesday’s exhibition game. But, as Murray explained it, after a player is assigned to the AHL, he must be “in residence” — physically with the team — before he could be recalled. Meaning, if the Kings set their roster and a flu bug made four guys unable to play, the Kings wouldn’t be able to make a roster move in Europe unless the player had already been in Manchester. So, only roster players will head overseas.
MURRAY: “We clearly have some very hard decisions to make at the end of this one. Then moving on to Las Vegas, against Colorado, in that final game, we’ll have to get our heads together and see where we’re at.”
As noted earlier, Drew Doughty will not play in tomorrow’s game in Las Vegas, but Murray said Doughty might play in Tuesday’s exhibition game against the Hamburg Freezers. Murray might also have tipped his hand in terms of the roster, when he noted that he might play “eight defensemen” in Hamburg. That would mean, of course, that he intends to take eight defensemen — meaning only one extra forward — to Europe.
MURRAY: “I’ll think about (playing Doughty in) that first exhibition game over in Europe, on that Tuesday. I know they play eight defensemen in Europe. They play four lines, eight defensemen. Why couldn’t I do that, in this exhibition game? It’s Olympic-sized ice, it’s against the local team. Maybe that’s something we can do, and maybe get a few minutes in there for him.”
Yep, not only do we get hosed by the travel and the “home” games away, but then we get penalized by having to “overnight” players from the US to Europe if something happens. Thanks NHL!!
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USHA#17 Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
@DesertKing,
And the Rangers will be there early, waiting. Bad deal.
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DesertKing Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
@USHA#17,
We can whoop ‘em. We got 2 “Richards” to their one and one of ours even has a “son”.
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BluLiner Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
@DesertKing, you crack me up man
Isn’t that why the NHL allows you to have a larger roster to start the season in Europe?
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Go Kings Go!
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Posted this last night, but thought it would be more relevant here
so looks like the roster is set
Pens-kopi-willie
gags-richsrds-brownie
KFC-Stolly-Moreau
Richardson-lewis-Hunter
Doughty-Mitchell
JJ-scuds
martinez-Greenimal
Parse/Westie/DD2
quick
bernier
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Otto Ped Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
@tornado12, Interesting how you randomly replace names with nicknames
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EJ Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
@Otto Ped, “interesting” is putting it politely.
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tornado12 Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
@EJ, am i being critiqued for my use of nicknames? really? that wasnt the intent of my post. duly noted fellow kings fan
tornado12 Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
@Otto Ped, i dont know all their nicknames…WM and JW are both willie? Richards and Richardson cant both be richie. lewy? Hunter, i have no clue. Doughty is on my bad side right now. Marty? Quicker. Berns?
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Jpizzle313 Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
@tornado12, Willie Mitchall’s nickname is actually pickle!don’t ask me why!
Otto Ped Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
@tornado12, No problem with your use of nicknames, and you really shouldn’t care even if I did have a problem with it. That would be my hang up. What caught my eye and what I was commenting on was just the total randomness of it all. If it wasn’t for GREENIMAL I’m pretty sure I wouldnt have even noticed I read your post. Tell ya what, Find me before the game tomorrow and I’ll buy you a beer to make up for it
tornado12 Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
@i actually wasnt even referring to you otto and no harm no foul bro…I wish I was at FF tomorrow…ill take you up at the suite game against Col though
WIll anybody be in Hamburg for the game??? I’m driving the 600 kilometers from south germany to Hamnburg to see the Kings! Hopefully Doughty will play!
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joey No-No Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
@Julian Kings Germany, Enjoy! Go Kings Go!
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KingsGuy Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
@Julian Kings Germany, Wear your Kings jersey proud! Do us good. Don’t think many, if anyone from here (US) will be going…
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Anjin Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
@Julian Kings Germany, that’s awesome. Make sure and cheer loudly for us back in the States wishing we could be there as well.
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Julian Kings Germany Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
@Julian Kings Germany, Yeah guys I will wear my jersey proud!! Unfortunately I can’t make it to Stockholm or Berlin because my first university courses start monday 10th, that’s kinda bad timing but I will enjoy every second of my first live Kings game!! I’m goingt to try taking some pictures and upload them somewhere so you guys in the states can see how passionated German fans are!!! Have fun attending the games in Staples, being there is my next huge wish
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At least our team is being showcased overseas and is being shown some respect
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Datacloud Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
@Bleedblueking, Personally, I say screw the respect. I’d rather have a team not plagued with jet lag the first two weeks of the season.
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Bingram Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
@Bleedblueking,
You mean like the respect we were shown in 2007? As was mentioned in some article, the Kings will have over 16,000 miles of travel before they play their first home game. Half the tams in the league don’t travel much more than that for the season.
I’m with data cloud, I’d rather have a well rested team.
Go Kings, go!!
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“After a player is assigned to the AHL, he must be “in residence” — physically with the team — before he could be recalled…the Kings wouldn’t be able to make a roster move in Europe unless the player had already been in Manchester.”
At first glance, this seems utterly and completely stupid. I’ll reserve judgment and hope someone can tell me what the method is to this madness. Makes no sense.
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Bill M. Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
@wavesinair, The kings are allowed to bring whoever they want with them, but still have to declare an official sized roster for the regular season? That would mean that the “extras” are physically there, and can practice or play in exhibition, but they are not on the kings regular season roster. At the same time they have not yet reported to their proper team in order to qualify for a recall? That’s how I read it.
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PuckHead27 Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
@Bill M., Pretty much, not sure if the “extras” can practice with the team once the season starts though. The only thing different is the teams are allowed to carry an extra goalie in Europe.
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Timere969 Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
@wavesinair, It keeps a team from having a couple of “AHL” guys sitting around waiting to be “called up.”
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StillneedDewey FKA PakiFro Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
@wavesinair,
The reason for this is so teams dont send two-way contract players down on non-game days to save cap space. However, I’d think a waiver of this rule would be in order if the team is playing in a different continent.
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wavesinair Reply:
October 1st, 2011 at 9:22 am
Thanks. All your points make sense. Of course, the rule makes sense under normal circumstances. What still doesn’t make any sense is why there is no exception for teams traveling to Europe. You would think they would be allowed a couple extras just in case.
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Does anyone else like the idea of having 8 defence-men instead of 6? I think it’s much more flexible and allows the rotation of D-men better. Why can’t we see that happen again?
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Lake Forest Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
@Christopher from Canada, We didn’t need help on defense last year. Not sure why we would change. It was our offense that was the problem.
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Christopher from Canada Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
@Lake Forest, I know we dont need help on the defense…but at one time the NHL did have 4 defensive pairs with 4 offensive lines and I just enjoyed seeing that better than now with only 3 and wondered why the change and having a few more defence men could help our offence too.
Doughty-Mitchell
Johnson-Scuds
Martinez-Green
Voynov-Drewiske/Hickey
I like the look of those lines myself but I guess the NHL cut it to 3.
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So now that we are rolling with the roster for the opening of the season perhaps Rich you can shed some light on a few issues that inquiring minds want to know:
1.) Since we got Stuck with Frazier who was traded to us in good condition and still can’t play are we stuck with him sitting on IR or can we dispatch him to the AHL or elsewhere (Perhaps tamberlini)
2.) what did the league do about the protest on this issue do we get anything for this trade?
3.) Since the Roster is 24 for the team how many can we carry on IR?
4.) Unless i missed my assumptions it means we will have Westgarth, Frazier, Muzzin on IR to start with. Can they be sent down without waivers before the season starts?
5.) lastly does everyone on the Monarchs have to clear waivers to be brought up in the event of an injury to replace a rosterd player?
Just a few questions that are not fully clear to me or probably a bunch of fans.
RR
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PuckHead27 Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
@RogerRabbit, I’m not Rich obviously, but I may be able to help.
1. If he is not cleared to play, he’d be placed on the IR. Once he is cleared, he can be sent to Manchester (without waivers) on a limited basis on a conditioning assignment, but if he is being sent there on a permanent basis, he’d have to clear waivers first.
2. I’m curious about this as well. It got all hyped up as Mulletgate and now it’s almost like it’s being swept under the rug.
3. Not 100% on this but I don’t believe there is a limit. They do have to be hurt to be place on IR. You can’t just stash players on the IR.
4. Westgarth started skating so he might not start on the IR. For Fraser and Muzzin though it looks like a possibility. I don’t think they can be sent anywhere if they are hurt and it doesn’t matter as they’d just be placed on the IR.
5. Only players who are not waiver exempt need to clear before being brought up or down.
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RogerRabbit Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
@PuckHead27,
Thanks, that clears some things up. the Frazier issue just kind of vaporized about two weeks after it started, but the whole premise was that he was healthy and really not, the simple fact that he was not able to perform in camp should set the record straight and some sanctions should be enforced.
What does “waiver exempt” exactly mean. Are some players classified differently than others?
So that means that the roster can actualy be more than 24, with the IR players but as they are cleared of the IR then someone on the roster has to be displaced? Healthy scratch’s are taken out of the 24 rostered players, right?
GKG
RR
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smcclory Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
@RogerRabbit, Players on IR don’t count against the cap, so you could have as many injured players on IR as you “want”. I believe the rule for IR is that there is a time frame they aren’t able to play for when they get put on but they can be retro-actively put on IR from the day after the game they got hurt in.
The downside to this is that if they get called up (or like Muzzin, get hurt pre-season) and get hurt in an NHL game that requires them to be put on IR, they will get paid their NHL salary until they’re healthy. Costs the team money, but no cap hit. That’s what happened to Loktionov 2 year ago when he busted his shoulder in the one game he was called up for.
That’s weird. I.remember a few years ago, Noah Clarke was sent down and while at the airport there was an injury and he was recalled. He wasn’t “in residence” he was at the airport.
and
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Datacloud Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
@EASportsMgt, I forgot about him. Showed some promise, didn’t he? SoCal native? Wonder where he is now…
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Christopher from Canada Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
@Datacloud, Last I checked on the TSN website he was playing for the Swiss National League and apparently he’s been there since 2008…http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=3380
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Hope the kings get things going fast on this very important road trip to start the season. We need to bond on this trip.Come home on a roll.Yes, life is good when the kings are playing. I live for this!!!!
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if you really think about it, there are potentially 5 solid line this team has…. when was the last time, you can even think that???!!!
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frazier king Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
@Mike,Add a much improved power play ,vet. players, we are much deeper this year.
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Mike Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
@frazier king, lets ALL just hope Jamie “Pompom” choreographs a better cheer, so to speak!!
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frazier king Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
@Mike, With richards,kopi will be free to move around more,we hope it leads to more goals.
Datacloud Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
@Mike, I’m just glad we have a 4th line that’ll be good for more than 1-2 goals this year. Seriously. Our 4th lines of the past COULD NOT SCORE. Period.
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KingsGuy Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
@Datacloud, Ya, that was sad, Poni-Westy-Moller (AKA flesh colored beard)
Blah, who else am I forgetting who couldn’t score a goal on an empty net?
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Mike Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
@KingsGuy, 6’5″ – 6’5″ – 3’4″ lol, jk it was an odd line in terms of size ^^
i think the 24 man should be:
penner-kopitar-williams
gagne-richards-brown
clifford-stoll-richardson
moreau-lewis-hunter
lokti/westy
doughty-mitchell
johnson-scuderi
greene-martinez
voynov/hickey
quick
bernier
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art Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
@Stop the Puck,
I agree with you, except that Lokti will probably start in Manchester, and Drewiske will be in Hickey’s spot. They are only allowed 21 skaters so one of the above has to go. The 24 man roster is an exception for the Europe trip only so that teams can carry an extra goalie in case of emergency.
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Well I guessed 25 to Europe. I think TM is doing 24 just to spite me. LOL
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PuckHead27 Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
@Dominick,
The regular season roster is 23. Teams usually carry 2 extra forwards and 1 extra Dman, but can do whatever combo they want as long as it’s 23 total. For Europe the teams are allowed to carry an extra goaltender, which bumps the roster up to 24.
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Dominick Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
@PuckHead27, I know this. I expected the Kings to take an extra player on top of that (which as posted on top the Kings have that option) so that when they start the season, someone would be there to watch it, and be motivated to go down and work even harder.
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Belexes Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
@Dominick,
At least you can be very happy about one late comer being included!
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Dominick Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
@Belexes, That’s the one that I’m the happiest about.
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Heading back over to TSC…apparently Doughty is about to skate. Video soon…hopefully!
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DesertKing Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
@wavesinair,
You the man!
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Kingsfanone Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
@wavesinair,
Thanks, waves!
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Hope Andrew Campbell makes it through waivers.
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Saw somewhere that Helene Elliot has reported that the Doughty deal does NOT contain a NTC/NMC.
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Datacloud Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
@Bill M., It wouldn’t. DL didn’t want one. The deal would still not be done were that an issue. Of course, i could be wrong, but I’m 95% certain I’m right.
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Bill M. Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
@Datacloud, Yes I realize. This is just the first confirmation I’ve seen.
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I am go tonight. I will watch Parse very closely. I doubt he stays though.
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Perfect timing…walked in and got this of Doughty moments ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJJ7LEAWqcY
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kinginsaltlake Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
@wavesinair, I must admit that was simply… Bad Ass. Good to have the Kid back. Guess your not coming to Vegas, Waves? Thought someof us would hook up, but havn’t seen anyone yet. I did meet a guy who was sporting a Kings hat at the Mirage Tiger Show. I showed him my LA Kings Tattoo said we are here in numbers.
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KingsGuy Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
@wavesinair, I guess everyone is getting suited for tonight’s game. Who’s DD skating with?
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Belexes Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
@wavesinair,
Awesome! Thx for sharing!!
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Kings to welcome Doughty with open arms
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=590605
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Wow, 8 defenseman. Maybe several insiders will finally get their wish and see JMFJ as a forward!
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Christopher from Canada Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
@BluLiner, You have to admit it would be pretty cool if they used JMFJ as a forward lol. He sure does look more like a power forward than a defence man IMO
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Anyone have a ticket for tonights game they wanna sell?
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Penner-Kopitar-Williams
Gagne-Richards-Brown
Clifford-Stoll-Richardson
Parse-Lewis-Hunter
(Westgarth)
(Moreau)
Doughty-Mitchell
Johnson-Scuderi
Greene-Martinez
(Drewiske)
Quick/Bernier
This is my best guess at the 23 man roster. I think we won’t see Lokti or Voynov until an injury hits. This makes me incredibly sad, as I love both these guys and cannot wait to see them stick with the big club.
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Dominick Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
@puddle,
I see it the same way. Maybe Lewis, and Richardson, switching back and forth. Brown, and Williams also. Parse, and Moreau mixing it up till injuries.
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tornado12 Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
@puddle, you got it. my guess as well. the lines dont really matter cuz they always get switched around anyways
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After seeing how other discarded Kings forwards (Boyle, Purcell, Moulsen, even Segal) have blossomed elsewhere, there would probably be about 20 claims if Parse goes on waivers……
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BluLiner Reply:
September 30th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
@Jim, I have to agree. And those are 5 guys that wouldn’t crack the Kings top 6, and maybe not the Kings top 9.
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I have tickets to Kings opener in Stockholm, so exited that the roster is taking shape, including Drew Doughty!! A long time NHL fan, my interest in Kings have increased throughout the years because of my many bizniz trips to LA and since a few years back I consider them my team. Really exiting that they visit my hometown for the season opener!
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