For those following the saga of the minor Ryan Smyth trade, it continues. Dean Lombardi said today that there has been no resolution in the Kings’ quest to receive some compensation from the Oilers.
Lombardi spoke more openly about the trade particulars today. He noted that Colin Fraser, the player who came back to the Kings (along with a draft pick) for Smyth still has not been declared healthy by any doctor. Lombardi said he was told, by the Oilers, that Fraser would be “ready to play” on the Wednesday after the trade, but that a Kings doctor recommended surgery and that an independent doctor said Fraser could be examined again in two weeks to evaluate any progress in his recovery. Lombardi’s contention is that the Oilers have already misled the Kings, in terms of Fraser’s recovery time, and that’s why they are seeking mediation from the league.
It all sounds a bit like a tempest in a teapot, but we’ll see what happens. As noted earlier, the Kings are unlikely to get anything of note at this point. Lombardi also said there is nothing new to report in the Drew Doughty negotiations since, well, two days ago.
well i hope Doughty gets sign if not thats okay.It will suck cause i like doughty i really do but if he doesnt want to sign then i guess trade him but i hope he signs and i believe he will sign with the Kings.
So does that mean Symth still a Kings player or the trade just be rob by the Oilers?
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The league should make an example of the Oilers and make them surrender a 1st round pick.
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Marbles Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
@Pesus,
Just like the USC sanctions?!
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gralx Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
@Pesus, Sounds fair to me LOL
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CB14 Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
@Pesus, Like they did to the Devils last year for Kovalsucks contract. That would send a message.
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MadMatt Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
@Pesus, They were the same jack-weeds that grabbed Penner on an offer sheet from the Ducks. WTF with these guys…c’mon NHL..make an example of them!
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USHA#17 Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 9:15 pm
@Pesus,
Make them take back Fraser and his hit. Other then the cap hit who cares? This is Colin Fraser we’re talking about, right?
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I would recommend that DL use Tambellini for bait on their next fishng trip. Tambelline should be inthe WWF where unprofessional conduct of this type is the norm.
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Buster Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
@DesertKing,
Sharks wouldn’t go near him. Something about “professional courtesy”.
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DesertKing Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
@Buster,
i thought you were going to say it is because he is too “oily” and rotten to the core
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Hard to believe Captian Canada gets traded for a 7 and an injuried player no one wants.
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Bill M. Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
@jet, That’s what happens when your request to leave goes public (intentionally or not)
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Marbles Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
@Bill M.,
It doesn’t matter if its made public in this situation. He wanted to go to only one place and that was Edmonton, and most likely he told Tambellini that for why Smyth wants to be traded.
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Marbles Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
@Marbles,
For my point for the above post, Lombardi has no leverage at all to negotiate a trade.
Bill M. Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
@Marbles, That is totally true. Lombardi had no leverage in this situation. But a good businessman can negotiate with little or no leverage, as long as the other party DOESNT KNOW that he has know leverage.
Lombardi was already up against the wall, but having it go public meant that Tambellini knew he was up against the wall, and could really put the screws to him.
kevin Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
@jet, not like he is worth much more then that IMHO.
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Kings x Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
@kevin, to unload the salary cap hit was worth it alone IMO
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HBFan Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
@kevin, Agreed. The guy is a pile.
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markisonfire Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
@jet, I guess, but in reality this trade was Ryan Smyth for Colin Fraser, a 7th round pick, Simon Gagne, and an additional $2.5 million in cap space. Sure I would have like to receive a better yield for an asset such as Ryan, but as good as he was, his cap hit negated that. Ultimately, we traded Kyle Quincey (the only real piece in the original Smyth trade) for Simon Gagne.
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HBFan Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
@markisonfire, We also dumped Preissing’s salary which was a plus
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Dave's a Killer Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
@markisonfire, Thanks! A voice of reason. Colin Fraser, a 7th round pick, Simon Gagne, and an additional $2.5 million in cap space is an outstanding trade for Smythe’s services. The rest of this “Mulletgate” is all blah, blah, blah. I cannot see the King’s management being too upset. They dealt with the devil and the devil had his due. The Kings, however, scored a much more valuable “good guy” goal and will ultimately get their own “due”
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jet Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
@jet, I agree with y’all that it turned out well for us. I am just amazed at his ultimate value.
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It would seem like the burden of proof is probably too high, but you can’t fault DL for trying.
At least no one else will demand a trade to Edmonton, so this situation can’t happen again!
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luuc Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
@DLB,
Even if they did, I bet DL tells them they can hop a flight to Manchester instead. No way he deals with them any time soon.
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Not really sure what the big deal is. DL should have made the trade contingent on Fraser passing a physicalby the Kings’ doctors, and if he didn’t he should have known better after the attempt to unload Brule on him. Fraser’s cap hit is, what, $800,000 or so, which is minuscule in the big picture, so I just think he’s whining over spilled milk at this point. Just chalk it up as being hoodwinked and move on.\
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NOT IMPRESSED Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
@deadcatbounce, I agree completely. DL didn’t do his homework. It’s almost like Edmonton crying about the Patrick O’Sullivan trade. The Kings and Carolina got the good end of that trade and Edmonton didn’t to their homework.
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KC23 Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
@NOT IMPRESSED, DL did his homework just fine. He unloaded his most under valued player on the roster. What we got back is immaterial, but TurnBULLini used a bold faced lie and delt in bad faith to take advantage of the situation. Piss off DL and you’re gonna get your name dragged through the mud which is as it should be.
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DLB Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
@deadcatbounce, It’s because if the player doesn’t clear the physicals, you can void the trade. Except that outcome is not what they want.
Flying him to LA first is not the way things are done.
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EJ Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
@deadcatbounce, that is a contract slot that is being taken by someone that the Kings probably don’t want. There is a limit of 50, and they cannot buy out an injured player.
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HBFan Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
@deadcatbounce, The only class EDM had left when Gretzky, Messier and Kurri left the franchise. They’re the only team to sign away an RFA. They don’t deal ethically when they. negotiate with other teams. They should really be called the “Snakeoilers” Have fun with your lottery picks for the next 10 years.
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How about the Oilers pay his salary and his medical bills until he is healthy enough to play. Then the Kings can buy him out, play him, or waive him.
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Any news on the Doughty negotiations since, well, 32 minutes ago? LOL. That’s going to be a daily question from someone on this site until Doughty actually signs. Rich should just have a post that says, “No news to report on the ongoing Drew Doughty negotiations since, well, yesterday” that automatically gets put up at 8 am every single day. It could even have a counter; Doughty’s Contract Negotiations Day 28. That way we can avoid all the questions about Drew’s contract negotiations being asked every single day.
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I think the league should make the Oilers pay for Frazer’s salary until the Kings are able to buy out his contract when the player is cleared to play.
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luuc Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
@KC23,
Its not about the salary, its about the roster spot. The kings could care less about the salary, they would buy him out if they could. But the problem is they cant, which is why they didnt want Brule. If they have no use for the player on the team, but need to take the $ hit to make the deal happen, they do it. It’s essentially like the Kings paying 800k to make the deal get done. But now the kings lose 800k AND a roster spot (until he comes off IR), which does hurt the team.
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I wonder if the real reason they sent Cogliano to the Ucks is that their medical staff found out that he was pregnant.
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Oilers South may be in jeopardy
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Whole thing is BS. Any Oilers fan who’s claiming “Oh that DL – he’s just whining! Should’ve done a better job of checking Fraser out blah-blah-blah…” imho is ESSENTIALLY saying this:
“Haha! It’s YOUR fault that you BELIEVED us and our Executives, and that you didn’t go above and beyond the norm to prove that we weren’t SWINDLING you. It’s not our fault YOU didn’t catch US in OUR lie.”
Does that make them feel good? Really?
Does that make them PROUD of their organization?
Does that make them optimistic about their own GM and the Oilers brain-trust to bring them another Cup dynasty anytime soon? (Especially given the Brule incident as well.)
Really … Deep down … does it?
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The only good thing that can come out of this mess is that Cogliano turns out to be injured for the Ducks as well
Would only be fair!
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Unfortunately DL detrimentally relied on representations made b Tambellini in the trade negotiations. That is fraud in the inducement. Surely Bettman will not ignore this.
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tuan jim Reply:
July 15th, 2011 at 3:43 am
@poe,
It’s fraud if Tambellini knew DL would reasonably rely upon his representations and if Tambellini knew those representations were false at the time he made them.
Regardless of what any of us believe, that’s a hard sell even to guys who already suspect it’s true.
Tambellini might argue that only the Kings’ doctors have crabbed about the extent of Fraser’s injuries, and given the prior problem with Brule, DL was surely on notice not to trust any info supplied by the Oilers and on further notice NOT to close a deal unless and until our own doctors completed a thorough physical examination of Fraser.
All that, of course, only matters in front of judges or juries. Oiler fans are already screaming we took Fraser “as-is” on their blog sites.
But to me Tambellini is a dirty, shifty, greedy, low-class, lying SOB.
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Sheldo Souray used to complain that the team was rushing him back before he was fully healed from his concussion and shoulder issues. The Oilers medical staff needs to receive a serious audit from the NHLPA and the league.
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Ducksuck Reply:
July 14th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
@FKA PakiFro, Thank you I agree!
In the mean time Drew will sign after Weber I remember Blake as a rookie one time big contract is coming, but not till Weber signs first I feel.
Can DL sign Lewis already he is the only RFA besides DD that is worth signing. All the other RFA’s are not NHL players.
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No compensation from the oilers?!? I’m shocked….
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As markisonfire put it “I guess, but in reality this trade was Ryan Smyth for Colin Fraser, a 7th round pick, Simon Gagne, and an additional $2.5 million in cap space”
Thats not exactly a bad deal IMO even with the unjury debacle. I still dont like the fact that RS requested the trade(regardless if its for family reasons) but for what its worth to us im glad he did.
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In any case, enjoy your vacation, Rich.
I have a feeling you may be busy when you get back?
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