Kings restricted free agents Alec Martinez and Brad Richardson have filed for arbitration, according to the league. The players can continue to negotiate and sign new contracts, independent of their arbitration status, before the hearings take place. They are scheduled to be held in Toronto from July 20-Aug. 4. According to the league, 23 players chose to file for arbitration. Teams can also take players to arbitration, and must file by tomorrow afternoon.
As noted earlier, among the Kings’ restricted free agents, only Martinez, Richardson and Trevor Lewis were eligible to file for arbitration. Andrew Campbell, Marc-Andre Cliche, Rich Clune, Drew Doughty, Corey Elkins, Johan Fransson, Bud Holloway, David Meckler, Oscar Moller, Patrick Mullen and Jeff Zatkoff are not eligible.
What ever the case we need to sign these guys.
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Paul G Reply:
July 6th, 2011 at 4:38 am
@jofa6000, Forget Martinez…bring up Voynov
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hey rich or anyone else, any explanation on what arbitration means? i have no clue, thanks. =]
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puddle Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
@jonjon, Essentially, a neutral 3rd party helps determine a “fair” contract. Here’s more info…
http://proicehockey.about.com/od/nhlfreeagents/a/arbitration.htm
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jonjon Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
@puddle, thanks a lot! so does this mean the kings and the player’s agents couldnt come to an agreement on $$$? or do the players do this because they feel they will get better contracts?
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FKA PakiFro Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
@jonjon,
Nope, its just a tactic used to assure the player gets a contract. I believe no one can send an offer sheet to the players that filed now. The award will be either 1 or 2 years. The team has a right to walk away from the deal, but the player does not. Last year, Anti Neimi was awarded something like 3M which the Hawks walked away from, making him a UFA and led to him ending up with the Sharks.
If the team had filed for arbitration, like NJ and Nashville have with Parise and Weber, respectively, the team could NOT walk away from the award.
FKA PakiFro Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
@jonjon,
Nope, its just a tactic used to assure the player gets a contract from his current team.**
Roger Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
@puddle, Thanks
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WinOrLoseKings4ever Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
@jonjon,
Someone please do! I have an idea, but not sure how it would work in hockey.
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Looks like Lewis just locked up that third line right wing spot by not filing for arbitration. Just kidding, sort of.
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714KINGS Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
@markisonfire, Arbitration isn’t something DL likes. I can think of a few who did and were gone the next year…..
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Markisonfire Reply:
July 6th, 2011 at 4:20 am
@714KINGS, O’Sullivan and Cammy come to mind. Agreed, and unfortunate. I think Richardson plays such an important role on this team.
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With Yandle signing a 5-year 26.25 million deal (5.25 mil. cap hit), I wonder what it will take to sign Drew Doughty…?
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jonjon Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
@Mark C., not sure yandle’s defensive game is as strong as drew’s, my thought is drew will be a 6+ cap hit.
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Mark Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
@jonjon, I’m not sure I agree about Drew having a strong defensive game. I’ve seen him get his pocket picked while heading back to his own new on more than one occasion. (see Jamie Ben). In all reality he is only still, just full of potential. He’s got a lot to prove. Conditioning and commitment are all still suspect.
Freakin agents!
Why doesnt he man up, sign a short term, show what he’s capable of for a few years then come back and demand to be the highest paid. I know it doesn’t work this way. The sense of entitlement just kills me.
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puckbob Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
@Mark,
like Jack Johnson di last year!
jonjon Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
@Mark, i know exactly what youre talking about with jamie benn. it happened against the islanders too. he didnt really get his pocket picked it was in the offensive zone, doughty gets too excited and tries to do much and ends up losing the puck. and with that i think he needs to improve and learn how to slow it down and QB a play, but doughty’s game in his own zone is really amazing, very patient with the puck, good reads, good around the net and in the corners.
@puckbob, jack johnson did not improve his game at all. i know +/- is a questionable stat, but how is scuderi his partner a +1 and jack is a -21 which is one of the worst in the league. johnson got a steal signing that long term contract.
Dominick Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
@Mark,
I don’t see how you can justify one single point in any of your ranting. The DD man up comment was especially disturbing. Where do you come off assuming DD has some sense of entitlement. Are you privy to some inside information?
Here’s an article on what DD should be looking at, if your really interested in figuring out what he’s worth. http://www.puckprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=986
Muelch Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
@Mark, Doughty does get antsy in his own zone, but statistically and skill-wise he has great defense for an offensive Dman. There were some major clutch situation where he lost the puck a few times near the end of the year, but it’s not like he’s as non-defensively minded as Yandle or Wisniewski or Jack Johnson. I say he shows that defensive skill in spades next year
@jonjon Jack’s value starts and ends on special teams, because of his inability to switch from that offensive to defensive mind. He’s great at that QB play on the powerplay, and I’d say so good that his contract was better for us than it was for him. Especially considering guys like Wisniewski are getting 33 mil on 6 years, I’d take Johnson contract any day. He even has played well on Shorthanded for the time that he did play, because he doesn’t need to think about transitioning from the offense to defense. The only statistical downfall of Jack Johnson is that 5 on 5 defense, because he is required, by his offensive position, to play a dedicated offense. Still, -21 on a second pair that includes Scuderi is poor, and needs to improve
KC23 Reply:
July 6th, 2011 at 7:13 am
@Mark, Because what a player has done only sets the stage for what ends up determining what a player is worth. Meaning that, what a player is worth is whatever qualified offer he can get and NOT what others in the league are getting or going to get.
A player and agent has to pick a point in time when he has more to lose than gain by waiting on making a decision. Clearly this is not that time for DD. I find it quite silly that fans think otherwise when the above has proven to be true over and over again.
Sammuch Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
@Mark C., I have a feeling DD is going to get 6.25 a year cap loadded in the first 5 years of a 8 year contract
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xeropoint Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
@Sammuch, That’s a pretty specific feeling.
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kostamojen Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
@Mark C., Unfortunately, I don’t think Doughty cares about the comps. Certainly a bit of firepower for DL tho. Stop being a little brat Doughty and sign a contract already…
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John Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
@Mark C.,
WOW how is Wisniewski paid more?!
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puddle Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
@John, For real.
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CB14 Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
@John, Wisnewskie was a UFA while Yandle was a RFA. It’s as simple as that.
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John Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
@CB14,
Still, it’s ridiculously stupid! These GMs are driving this bus towards another lock-out with those kind of numbers!!!
Oh, I can’t wait for those rules changes…girls will play VERY soon…
Muelch Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
@John, It’s Columbus. Not only is their team young, and historically weak, but it’s in Ohio. They have now sway to bring in a player outside of offering a huge contract, and the Blue Jackets were really being pressured to bring in an offensive defenseman this offseason.
Think if the Kings were located in Wisconsin, and we didn’t yet pick up Mike Richards, and we were only a 10 year old team, and the year before we had struggled our way into a bottom 3 place in the standings. There would be no way we’d get Gagne at 3.5 a year, even if he were injured all last season.
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John Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
@Muelch,
True, great point! “…but it’s in Ohio.” that was funny!
Matt R Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
@Mark C., I’d say $6-$6.5 per
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John Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
@Matt R,
Fair & I’ll take it at 8 years
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Dominick Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
@John,
I’d say those are ball park numbers for sure. I hope DL can bring it down a little, but it’ll probably be around there.
Funny how some are looking at underpayment, and assuming DD should take it or DL is gonna get rid of him. It’s almost like assuming DL is an idiot, and doesn’t know the true value like they do. They don’t even know what DL is offering, or what DD wants yet. Just a lot of unconfirmed reports, and speculation.
KC23 Reply:
July 6th, 2011 at 7:16 am
@Matt R, I think it is going to end up being a bit more, but not by much.
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Roger Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
@Mark C., Thanks for ruining the blog about arbitration! Now the whole thing is about Doughty.
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justlu Reply:
July 6th, 2011 at 9:23 am
@Mark C.,
According to an article on yahoo sports helene elliot stated that DD is looking to get $7m a year. Later on in the article it states a source close to the deal confirms doughty is looking to be the highest paid player on the team kopi makes $6.8mil. With the way his game dipped last year and still questions about his condition and off season workouts I’m not so sure he is worth $7mil a year. I’m the type of fan that says potential doesn’t deserve the paycheck that production does. One thing that is causing DD’s asking price to go up is the fact that other teams are overpaying for D this off season especially wisniewski at $5.5mil a year when DD’s agent saw that I’m sure he began to salivate. Waiting to sign DD is costing the Kings more money they should have locked him up well before July 1st.
Another thing I’d like to bring up is that Poni signed a 1 year deal for $1.5 million with carolina. I like Poni’s hustle and willingness to throw the body around to jar pucks loose. I really wish we could have resigned him at $1.5mil a season.
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tim Reply:
July 7th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
@Mark C., Erm, Yandle is a fair amount better then Dewey, so probably less
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Drew Doughty’s hold out is making Jack Johnson look like a genius and it’s also making me switch to Johnson as my favorite Kings D-man. Too many young hockey players with no education and an IQ of about 90 are looking at their salary as having the biggest d*ck in the room. Johnson with a university education saw that sharing his salary with an agent is stupid and did it himself. He doesn’t look at his salary as anything other than a great standard of living. Doughty needs to have a talk with Johnson about it ain’t worth the hassle to get a few mill more and then have the Kings fans boo you.
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lead feet Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
@NOT IMPRESSED, Interestiing take.
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jess Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
@NOT IMPRESSED,
I’m slowly starting to feel the same way. Total buzz kill on team spirit.
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blahblah Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
@jess,
i would be interested if anyone here knows what the usual percentage is that the agents get from the contract. since most players have agents, i would guess its worth paying them a small % and not having to deal with the headache of negotiating. but if the agent is getting a good chunk of the salary, then it might be better to just go the jack johnson route.
there was a guy here named easportsmanagement, who i recall was pretty knowledgeable with numbers. haven’t seen him post in a while, though.
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CB14 Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
@blahblah, Pretty sure it’s 10%. That’s usually standard among agents in every sport.
jess Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
@blahblah,
I remember him. He’ll be around again. BTW you’re right -this crap is definitely spurned on by the agents.
Kingsfanone Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
@blahblah,
His name is Frank & you can check out his website, same name as his “handle”. He really is a agent, & I believe his company was purchased by another if I’m not mistaken.
Frank was pretty instrumental in arranging the Hammond Suite games also, along with Larry Abel of Staples/AEG. Percentages that agents get can also be predicated on how its arranged with each player individual as well as how “big” that player is.
EASportsMgt Reply:
July 6th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
@blahblah, Sorry for the late response, it’s been pretty busy. To answer your question, although many agents have different structures, it is pretty standard that the agent takes between 3 and 5% of the contract. There is also another component tied to endorsement deals which normally is anywhere between 15 up to 25% since a lot of work can go into getting those deals done. Hope that answers your question.
Glass Banger Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
@NOT IMPRESSED,
It’s not always the player. Agents are the d@@khead most of the time. It’s not like DD is yelling “Show me the Money!!!” DD d2!khead is probley so wraped up in Stamkos, contract too. Can you say Scott Boras….
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CB14 Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
@Glass Banger, EXACTLY. Drew’s agent also represents Shea Weber. Therefore the agent can’t let DD sign for 5 million a year because then Nashville will use Drew’s salary as a comparison to what Weber should get through arbitration. The agent would rather wait until Weber’s salary is decided, then use that salary number as a comparison for what Drew should make. Personally I don’t think he should get more than 6 million a year for 6 years. That’s just my opinion though.
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PW Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
@CB14, I am a Drew fan but Shea Weber is in the top Dman in the league. Do you put Drew in that same group of Lindstrom, M. Green, D. Keith, Z Chara? No doubt he will be there soon. But the one thing in common with those I just named is they are all C or A. I didn’t even mention Pronger, Boyle, or Phaneuf.
I don’t think Drew is captain material, not yet anyways. Maybe a couples years down the road when he matures. The thing he has going for him is his youth. I’d still pay Weber more because he is worth more to his team and a better dman today. If drew gets 6 I say Weber gets 6.25/6.5.
jonjon Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
@PW, you definitely put him up there. those guys have a C or an A because theyre how many years older than drew? thats the amazing thing about this player and why this is so controversial, he’s still young and up there with those guys, those captains. he’s no Jonny Toews on the ice obviously but, he’s still our best defensemen and he’s still deserving of a pretty good deal. i think people expect him to be amazing because of his offensive game and they dont even notice what he’s doing defensively. so my point he’s up there.
and i agree weber should get paid more and probably will.
CB14 Reply:
July 6th, 2011 at 12:48 am
@PW, not yet, but he had that one great year and his agent will use that as a starting point. He was a Norris Finalist, just like Weber was this past year, and the agent will probably say that DD’s production dropped off from last year because he had that concussion, and that affected his play the rest of the year. I don’t know if I believe that, but that’s what his agent will say. I agree with you that Weber should get .5-1 million more than DD.
PW Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
@NOT IMPRESSED, I think it is the combo of the agent too. I had a feeling that they would see what this FA market would do before they decided on terms. This FA class was weak so the 3 or 4 good FA would probably get paid pretty well. Therefore, Doughty’s agent would wait and try to leverage the Market. He will get signed probably in the mid-high 6s within the next week. I’d be more scared if I was a TB fan waiting on Stamkos. With that said, if Stamkos is still not signed, then things could still be worse.
About all this bad for chemistry and team… players know it’s a business. You can’t look at it through a fan’s eyes. Also, FA just started last Friday. I’m sure it will all be fine and everyone will be in camp.
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deadcatbounce Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
@PW, Agree with your thoughts. Also, I wonder how many posters here are represented by a union at their jobs? Shame on you if you are because you should be able to represent yourself. Personally, I don’t belong to a union, but even if I did and I got an offer to work at a place I really wanted to be at I’d jump ship in a heartbeat. If my friends at work don’t like it that’s tough, but I’m sure they’d understand and we’d keep in touch.
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
@deadcatbounce, I’ve worked for a tilesetters union on and off for 30 years,the pay is good but there’s alot of “complacentcy”,workers who have an “entitlement” attitude,I’ve found alot of lazy people in my trade,and the Electricians union out here in Vegas.I’ve worked both Union and non,you definatetly work harder non-union(in construction).If you work on the strip in Vegas you have to be Union( or used to be).I work where the money is.
deadcatbounce Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
@deadcatbounce and LVKINGS88, I didn’t mean to make it sound like unions are horrible entities, but they do have a right to exist and I was only remarking on the number of people who seemed to have turned on Doughty and want him to just sign for whatever the club’s offering rather than to bother negotiating. The players have earned the right
to being represented by agents and I don’t hold it against him for having one. The clubs spent decades screwing the players, after all.
Robert Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
@NOT IMPRESSED,
Johnson may be smarter on paper but he loses the puck a lot and is one of the worst defensive dmen. It’s a 21 year old immature kid being thrown 25-50 million in his face. The agents have a lot to do with it… they sell their clients on what they want.
Fact of the matter is, DD is a great D man but seems to lack the maturity and discipline at this point. I think if he signed a shorter deal, busted his hump… he could easily be the highest paid D man in the league.
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deadcatbounce Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
@Robert, So what you’re telling us is that you’re immature if you want representation? I think a lot of people forget that clubs screwed players for decades before they were able to unionize. It’s their right, for crying out loud, just like it’s your right to seek representation in a negotiation if you so desire.
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colo king fan Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
@Robert, yeah because doughty never turned the puck over at in-opportune times last year… and it never lost the kings a playoff game as a direct result either.
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KC23 Reply:
July 6th, 2011 at 7:30 am
@Robert, Or DD would be risking another concussion or other serious injury by waiting and therefore risk losing upwards of 50 million dollars.
What would you do. Risk most of a certain giant contract by doing the short term contract and maybe getting just a bit more of a giant contract?
A smart man would secure the biggest contract he could for as long as he could and as quickly as he could therefore have the money guarantteed while risking getting hurt before hand as little as possible.
Waiting out the summer DD is not risking anything at all, but as soon as he hits the ice for the pre-season he starts risking that big money.
DD has NOTHING to lose by waiting at least until pre-season while DL does have something to lose. DL is risking a qualifying offer over paying DD and forcing his hand.
Bottom line, don’t expect anything before the season starts. Soon as the pre-season starts DD begins to also have something to lose by risking injury.
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colo king fan Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
@NOT IMPRESSED, JJ is now my co-favorite player (with Dustin Brown) on the entire roster… not only did he handle his contract in the most professional way possible, but his defensive game was incredible last year.. he was easily the best 2-way D-man on the kings roster last year and its not even close.
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CB14 Reply:
July 6th, 2011 at 12:51 am
@colo king fan, HUH? JJ ‘s defensive game was incredible last year. I disagree. How do you explain the fact that he was -21 while the 5 other regular d-men were all on the plus side?
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You da man rich! Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
@NOT IMPRESSED, Seriously, what the he!! Happened to “I play because I love the game”?!?! Heeelllooooo lockout! This sux for all involved ( – the agents)
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It’s probably better that way, I can’t see them ruling that Martinez or Richardson should be making bank, especially since Martinez only played 60 games.
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Lombardi hates arbitration look what happened to Cammy after he filed, these two are entering their final years as LA Kings. Only kind of kidding.
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old codger Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
@LuckyNumber20, nope, you’re right. Both are gone before next season.
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old codger Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
@old codger, Arbitration to DL means you are a player that “doesn’t want to be here”.Dl usually accomodates them. If either or both win a large increase, DL will accept the 2 year option which gives him leverage to shop the players. Maybe not, but I don’t see either on on the roster in 2012.
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You da man rich! Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
@old codger, cammi didn’t want to b here. Same with POS.
My wife and I have renamed Martinez to “Martinezzz SSHOOOOOOTTSS!!!!”
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DLB Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
@Matt George, I like this!
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Duckbasher Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
@DLB, How is it that both my sons could shoot harder and quicker at the age of 16 than Scuds or Martinezzzzz can as full grown professional hockey players. Will someone please show both of these guys how it’s done?
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jacob Reply:
July 6th, 2011 at 3:11 am
@Duckbasher, clearly , your insane … martinez was clearly the best 2 way defensemen on the team last year …. he has a great shot , gets it off quickly . and dosent hurt u defensively nearly as much as the wonderkids drew and jack …….. and he was only a rookie …. this kid is gonna be on the team for a long time
Can’t wait to see these guys next year
Brad ~ He looked awesome in the playoffs if he plays anywhere near that level our 3rd line is going to be really good with especially with Stoll dropping down to the 3rd line and a healthy Parse. I think we will have 3 solid lines which will go a long way toward wearing team’s defenses down
Alec ~ Was it me or did he just keep getting better as the season went on? I think he will be an ace in the 5/6 spot and able to be a solid fill in on the 3/4 spot when others get injured.
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PW Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
@sloppy joe, Alec is great on the PP because he’s not afraid to shoot the puck when everyone else is looking for the tic tac toe pretty play. If he’s on the 2nd PP unit I put him with 30 points next season.
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puddle Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
@PW, I agree about Martinez. Kid is a stud. One of my favorite Kings.
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PW Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
@puddle, I think so too. I think a full go this year will help him too. He seemed to settle in quick when he came up. I can only imagine what he will do witha full camp and the confidence knowing he is the #6 dman. The only bummer is I want to see Voynov. Good problem to have I suppose.
sloppy joe Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
@puddle, Yeha I agree I want to see Voynov too, hes earned a shot
Duckbasher Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
@PW, I just wish he actually had a decent shot.
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broncokings Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
@sloppy joe, ok just curious whats the hype with parse? I haven’t seen that much from him to know what the big deal is? Someone enlighten me please…i’m looking for Parse’s highlights on you tube hopefully that will help
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broncokings Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
@broncokings, ok i found this onehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0QKtuUbEzc
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broncokings Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
@broncokings, and this one, they are great highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_Av1LMsMxM&feature=related
sloppy joe Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
@broncokings, well they kept him over Matt Moulson LOL ~ He has speed and skill good set of hands
KC23 Reply:
July 6th, 2011 at 7:35 am
@sloppy joe, I personally think Alec should be in JJ spot as top defensive 4. I still don’t understand how JJ keeps that number 4 slot when I think it is obvious Martinez is better.
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The legend of Radko Gudas hovers over these rookie workouts.
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I’m sure DL will get a deal done with both, arbitration is bad for relationships (Camillari)…
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PW Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
@Chyuck, I miss that dude. He was a little terror.
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Duckbasher Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
@PW, and a jerk.
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Doughty should have a gary roberts clause installed in his contract if he want 6.5-7M long term. That way he can ensure his conditioning will be top notch. If he last year was like the year before and he was a Norris finalist again, no one would be complaining about him want the big contract!
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I would rather keep martinez and Richardson and trade Doughty while he still has the mythical status. He will not be worth 6 mil. I might (might) give him 4 with incentives but he was not worth 4 last year. Like JJ better by the day.
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puddle Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
@johnjuan, Doughty is not eligible to have incentives (i.e. bonuses) built into his contract.
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crashin' da net Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
@johnjuan, Agreed. I’ve been liking what I think we can get for DD MORE than DD himself .
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Shotongoal Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
@johnjuan, remember that you said this so none of us have to remind you later that you were wrong. You’re looking at this with your heart. You need to look at this with your brain. Or not…..its up to you!
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johnjuan Reply:
July 6th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
@Shotongoal,
You have it backwards. My heart wants him to be the the player worth 6.5 mil.
He isn’t. My heart hopes he turns into one so I would love to be reminded when he achieves true stardom. I have doubts so I would not sighn him to a mega high long term contract based on his performance last year.
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Tony Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
@johnjuan, You guys are hilarious. You should be comedians. You can count on one hand the NHL defensemen that can be mentioned in the same sentence with DD. I quote the Calgary Flames TV announcer who said “Drew Doughty will be the last King to wear #8.” I sure hope so!
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Duckbasher Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
@johnjuan, But don’t forget, Drew can easily win a hot dog eating contest, ‘jus sayin
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johnjuan Reply:
July 6th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
@Duckbasher,
Ha!
His dad is one huge dude who looks like he has won a few contests. Drew will have to watch his weight .
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i think the market is now set on Doughty with the contracts given to Kaberle ($4.25) and Yandle ($5M+). an argument can be made that he’s younger than Yandle but Yandle had a much better season last year. to me, that puts Doughty in the $5.5-$6M range. if he takes a longer deal you can go up a bit.
i’m guessing DL isn’t a fan of the super long-term contracts, but it seems this is a perfect instance for it. Keith got $72M for 13 years and he has a Norris. Doughty is a little younger but Keith has a Norris and a Cup. Keith’s hit is $5.5M. you could argue the value of d-men might have gone up a tad since he signed the deal.
so go 13 years/$75M. that locks up Doughty until he’s 34 and he gets to play with his favorite team. he could still cash in one more pay day at 34 if he wants to keep playing.
long-term financial commitment from Kings – security for Doughty + Kings don’t have to worry about their #1 d-man for years to come.
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bfarm Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
@Dave,
no way doughty will sign for 13 years
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It would be totally crazy to trade DD right now. This is not DD holding out, it is his agent and the nhlpa doing this. Any team would love to have a guy like this on their team. So maybe he thought it was going to come easier and didn`t have to work as hard as he did to get to the NHL. He won a gold medal and was runner for the norris at age20. That would give any 20 year old a big head. He is now a year older and wiser. Last year was a wake up call for him. He will be a better player because of it. You do not replace defencemen like DD. There is not many out there to be found. Kaberle just signed over 4 million a year and he is totally useless. We should be thankful we have him and remember he is still a kid. Enough with the DD bashing….it is getting old real fast.
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Tony Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
@Joemv8, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!!
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Duckbasher Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
@Joemv8, I’ve heard he can take body blows really well (with that padding around the mid section). But lay off the head shots or even I’ll get PO’d
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King Cobra Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
@Duckbasher, It is easy to take “fat”pot shots from behind a computer keyboard. I think the kid is pretty dam good for 21 years old. He is going to end being one of the elite d men in the league and should get paid the same or close to what Weber and Lindstrom make. He should not be paid more than Kopitar (he is our best player).
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Vplaza Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 8:57 pm
@Joemv8,
Just like his being unsigned is getting old real fast. Just sayin’.
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Not wanting to overpay a player is not the same as bashing him. He simply has not lived up to his billing to warrant a mega contract. He may still pan out and be a great player but you can’t overpay LONG TERM for a guy that has not lived up to his billing. If he comes out steaming this year and wants to be a King then offer the dough but, its up to him to show he’s got the goods!
I still hope he pans out but, don’t grossly overpay for hype.
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jess Reply:
July 5th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
@johnjuan,
Yeah like maybe DD can help us get out of the 1st round this year.
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I cant belive all this Panic about DD!!! Let him set out some games,Kings have 4 D ready to play in NHL. Kings will match anyone that tries. Plus, if it is over 7.2 mil cap they can trade him for a lot of picks and good players. Im not worried…
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Because he may want more money suddenly DD is “Not as good as THAT!” “A GOOD D that has proven NOTHING” I’m all for bring along D Prospects Slowly into the NHL, i say at least 1-2yrs in minors for seasoning before considering NHL level. But in DD case, this kid was Ready DAY ONE! He has played like a pro since he put on the Kings’ Jersey with a maturating YOU NEVER see in rookies. It was only in this last season that he fell in play, yes he was injured early, and he seemed out of shape and never quite retained his greatness of earlier seasons, but still at 1/2 his power Id take a DD over most of the older D men in the league at full power. This kid is going to be ORR / Lindstrom type greatness someday(Hell we’ve seen some of it now), PAY him now and keep him here as long as you can. A talent like his comes along VERY rarely. Defense men EVEN more rare! I wouldn’t be afraid of any big contract the Kings decide to agree upon because, as we just saw this July 1st “Unmovable Contracts” were the new currency. If there was only one KIng to Overpay and take a bet on DD is the one. There are 29 other GM’s that would gladly pay him big and long term without blinking.
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It is so easy to take “fat” pot shots at Doughty from behind a computer keyboard. I think the kid is pretty dam good for 21 years old. He is going to end being one of the true rare elite d men in the league and should get paid the same or close to what Weber and Lindstrom make. He should not be paid more than Kopitar (he is our best player). Chill out and let the process take it’s course!
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insider001 Reply:
July 6th, 2011 at 4:20 am
@King Cobra, your right, he is a good player, however he’s not worth the 6 mil or more. Maybe 5.5 tops
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King Cobra Reply:
July 6th, 2011 at 9:11 am
@insider001, You are ready to let DD walk over 500 or so grand! 21 year old phenom d men like this don’t grow on trees…
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Can someone explain why Doughty isnt allowed to file? thanks.
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CB14 Reply:
July 6th, 2011 at 12:59 am
@Andrew, You have to have at least 4 years of experience after you were drafted. Martinez was drafted in 07, while DD was drafted in 08. That’s why Martinez can file even though he’s only played in the NHL for 2 years, and while DD can’t file even though he’s played in the NHL for 3 years. Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense now does it?
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Andrew Reply:
July 6th, 2011 at 9:51 am
@CB14, no it really doesn’t lol thank you thou
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Sebastian Reply:
July 6th, 2011 at 7:45 am
@Andrew, i believe you have to have at least 4 NHL seasons under your belt before you are elligible for Arbitration IF you signed your first NHL contract when you were under the age of 20.
heres some info on the entire process…
http://proicehockey.about.com/od/nhlfreeagents/a/arbitration.htm
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Andrew Reply:
July 6th, 2011 at 9:51 am
@Sebastian, thanks bro very helpful
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Parse is a lot better than many people think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0QKtuUbEzc
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