This is certainly one of the more fascinating deals done by the Kings in years. In comes Mike Richards, a 26-year-old center who has already reached the 30-goal mark twice in six NHL seasons. Out goes Brayden Schenn, arguably the Kings’ top prospect and the player the Kings had resisted trading despite countless offers that basically started the day he was drafted, as well as Wayne Simmonds, a player assumed to have great potential who took something of a step backward last season. Privately, the Kings were concerned that Simmonds, due to be an unrestricted free agent, might draw an offer sheet if he was not re-signed by July 1.
Richards is under contract through the 2019-20 season, with a cap hit of $5.75 million.
There are so many questions/issues here. This trade would appear to increase the likelihood that Ryan Smyth will be traded or bought out. Does it also end the Kings’ pursuit of soon-to-be free agent Brad Richards? That was expected to be a very strong, serious pursuit. Finally, who will replace Simmonds on the right side? If Michal Handzus also departs via free agency, the Kings will have lost two-thirds of what has been their regular third line. We’ll try to figure out the answers to these questions soon.
Good to see Deano had the stones to pull off the big one.
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Scott Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:37 pm
@Doug E, If this trade means losing not just Schenn but also Smyth, a major piece to that 2nd line of Smyth-Stoll-Williams, then LA grossly over-paid. While I would rather see a 26 year old proven 30 goal guy come for a guy with just potential is fine. But the Smyth line is a critical line for the playoffs.
But this trade could put LA as a top favorite for the Pac-5 next season, especially if Penner shows up.
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PaulHB Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:40 pm
@Scott, Sorry but it doens’t kill me to see Smyth go. He’s done. He was a schell :p of his former self last year, after the hot start.
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Doc B Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:48 pm
@PaulHB, Smyth is nothing but a myth…He’s washed up and done. Trading him would be the best for the kings. It would free up 6mil plus. So we can chase another big free agent!!!
Matt R Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:40 pm
@Scott, It would be a gross overpayment if we get little to nothing back for Smyth. Smyth hasn’t gone anywhere yet that I’m aware of.
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Weekes22 Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:45 pm
@Scott, i wouldn’t mind seeing smyth go either he was a ghost towards the end of the season and the playoffs and we’ll save 4.25 mil by getting rid of him and hes not worth that money at this stage of his career. I hate getting rid of schenn as part of this deal but we needed an offensive upgrade. Simmonds was a hard worker and i liked his style but he will never produce a lot of goals or offense so i don’t mind seeing him leave as well. We should let handzus walk and save more money to our cap to resign doughty and make another move cuz i hope lombardi doesn’t think this one deal will solve all the problems with this team.
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O-Dawg Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 3:23 pm
@Scott, I don’t like the move. It’s a typical Dave Taylor move. Let hope Richards doesn’t come to LA and fade away into a below average player.
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juy6187 Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 3:54 pm
@O-Dawg, it would’ve been if Dave Taylor was still our GM. I’m still skeptical on this move, but it’ll definitely make us a playoff contender.
If Smyth is traded then we have a shot and having Mike and Brad Richards and have an insane two line scoring punch.
Dean is going cray this year. I like the message he is sending that now is the time and he is finally wheeling and dealing. to get the club ready for a cup run.
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Anjin Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:40 pm
@oldthunder, the line of Richards, Richards and Richardson would send Bob Miller to an early grave.
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Krusher Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:43 pm
@Anjin, ROFL
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King4life Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:55 pm
@Anjin, Hahahahaha!!!!
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Kaiser Soze Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:51 pm
@Anjin,
It would actually make things easier on Bob. All he needs to say is Richards to Richards, back to Richards, to Richardson, back to Richards, he shoots, score! He’d also have a 66.6% chance of getting all the names right without even looking at them
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Kingstane9 Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 11:41 pm
@Anjin, LOL
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Kingfletch Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:45 pm
I dont think the kings are going after Brad Richards now, Kopitar and Mike Richards are the 1-2 centers now, i dont think Brad Richards would want to be the 3rd line Center. We still got Stoll and im guessing the Kings are going with Lokitionov now! If Brad Richards comes its cause he really wants another cup!
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KingEleven Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 4:52 pm
@Kingfletch, Mike richards canalso play left wing, I believe it’s actually his natural position. imagine richards kopi and williams.
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54FIGHTING Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 8:50 pm
@KingEleven,
As can Brad.
Nooooooooo!!!!!!!! Not Schenn Am lost what happen to the real Dean that doesnt get anyone and only draft picks NO!!!! well i like simmonds but Schenn really really!?!?!?!?!??!
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harglebargle Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:37 pm
@KingsFanFTW,
SCHENN WAS A PROSPECT
PROSPECT.
We’d all HOPE that Schenn would become a Mike Richards.
MIKE RICHARDS ALREADY IS MIKE RICHARDS.
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TKO Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:41 pm
@harglebargle,
“MIKE RICHARDS ALREADY IS MIKE RICHARDS.”
Hilarious.
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:42 pm
@harglebargle, yea but he can be like someone that threatful in the future oh well they dont last forever..that why am a team fan than a player LOL
Just didnt expected this to happen .U got to admit this got u off guard
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puddle Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:52 pm
@harglebargle, MIKE RICHARDS ALREADY IS MIKE RICHARDS.
Best line of the day.
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Dave's a Killer Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 5:14 pm
@puddle, Agreed
Jgomez Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:26 pm
@harglebargle, Had to hold my laughs in the office, best like of the week!
As for the trade? I am still not sure. Richards is a really good player. Watch the first game of Kings vs Flyers, when bernier started. He smoked us! Bernier started to give him some attitude and Richards came back with 2g and 2a’s for a flyers win. Not that one game proves anything but he showed what he can do on his best day! Now with Kopitar and Richards? I know we lost a whole lot, but we also gained a lot!
I loved Simmer but he had a down year last year. He lost a lot of physicality from the previous season and it seemed like he was making more mistakes this year. Either way, hes gone so good luck to him and better yet, GO KINGS GO!
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Who Knows? Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:38 pm
@KingsFanFTW, Schenn is unproven.. plain and simple.
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:43 pm
@Who Knows?, well i like how he tryed in the beginning never know very very too soon to given up hope on him but who knows if this hope this team go far then i hope this guy can make this team go far in the playoffs than be another Penner
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KindSir Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:54 pm
@KingsFanFTW, Mike Richards hasn’t even reached his full potential yet- he’s only 26 years old
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harglebargle Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:28 pm
@KindSir,
AND HES ALREADY MIKE RICHARDS.
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Kingfletch Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:43 pm
Richards is only 26 and already great, i like the move, to get a player of his calibur you do have to give something good up as well. Good trade for the kings, hard to not love a trade that brings you Richards!
I Don’t know about you guys, but I can not concentrate on work now
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Shakes Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:37 pm
@Vahe,
work productivity just got destroyed. luckily it’s 4:37pm here
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Matt R Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:39 pm
@Vahe, You are correct sir, it just became 5:30…good thing my boss isn’t a Kings fan
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Vahe Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:41 pm
@Matt R, 1:40 for me..I hope my work is not tracking my internet usage
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nykingfan Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:42 pm
@Vahe,
Include me with those who can’t accomplish a thing right now at work!
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Diablito93 Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:44 pm
@Vahe, Me too man! I have so much to do and can’t do it!!!!
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Krusher Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:44 pm
@Vahe, My brain is in 100% Kings mode, meaning 0% work mode
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Mikey Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:49 pm
@Vahe, I’m going to speak to Vahe in our Native tongue.. mera kunem.. ic einch eghav?
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Vahe Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:56 pm
@Mikey, I LOVE THE MOVES…ET EGHAV..KINGS TRYING TO BECOME A CONTENDER
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Mikey Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:02 pm
@Vahe, I don’t know, Aper.. Simmonds i understand.. but Schenn? Chem siroom. i need to cool down.. i bought a simmonds jersey in March.. thats what i get.. i should have bought a Westgarth jersey and sent him on his way too..
MM Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:49 pm
@Vahe, Can we fast forward to the beginning of the season already? I am already imagining the offensive force of having a healthy Kopitar manning one line and a 30 goal scoring center manning another line.
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Vahe Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:07 pm
@Mikey, you never know with Prospects..sure agains Kids he can be dominate player, what can he do against guys like Pronger, Weber, Suter..etc..
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Seattle757 Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 3:17 pm
@Vahe, Today was my last day at work before moving on to bigger and better things, but I sure didn’t expect the Kings to go on to bigger and better things too! I knew there was a trade coming, but I didn’t expect this!!!
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Benjos12 Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 3:27 pm
@Vahe, I agree 10000000%
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wow….great trade! it feels like Christmas
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Well we can’t possibly get Brad Richards now. Can you imagine Bob saying “Richards, to Richardson, back to Richards, I mean…the other Richards…oh forget it”?
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lgk!!! Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:37 pm
@Matt R, hahaha, this is funniest and best news Ive heard about this trade
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Shakes Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:38 pm
@Matt R,
It would be the worst offseason for Bob in years between the name shenanigans and shipping him off to Winnipeg in December
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TKO Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:42 pm
@Matt R,
Forget Miller, what about Foxy, he already calls the Penalty Kill the “Kenalty Pill” every 4th time.
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art Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 3:14 pm
@Matt R,
We can still get Brad Richards, but need to dump Smyth to do it. We gave up a lot, but Mike Richards is still young, a leader, heading into his prime, and a sub $6mil cap hit for the next 8 years, and he can play C or wing. In regards to the cap, Mike Richards is only slightly more if not equal to Schenn plus Simmonds. I think Brad Richards would be more likely to come to LA now that we are more of a contender. Would could have 2 awesome lines if we dump Smyth and add Brad.
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RICH, please add this question to the list of ones you ask Dean Lombardi.
Why Mike Richards and not Jeff Carter?
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KH Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:37 pm
@Dillix, jeff carter was traded to colombus today for voracek 1st and 3rd rounder
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Dillix Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:02 pm
@KH, You responded with this on the comment thread. why do you think I brought up Carter? Precisely because he was traded. That means he was available. Kings could have had their pick of the two with the price they paid compared to CBJ’s lesser price. Why pick Richards over Carter who is bigger, faster, more of a goalscorer for Kopitar, more productive the last few seasons… That’s my question.
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sstephen17 Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:47 pm
@Dillix, Carter is signed for 11 more years, Richards is signed for 9 more. Two years might not be a big difference now but since they are both 26, that means Richards will be 35 at the end of the deal and Carter would be 37 at the end of his deal. Two years at age 35+ can be a big difference.
art Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 3:19 pm
@Dillix,
Richards can play C or Wing. Dean is all about being strong down the middle. Mike helps there more than Carter. That said, if we can sign Brad Richards, Mike can move to the wing. I like Mike’s versatility and leadership a lot more than Jeff Carter. Not saying Carter is not a character guy, but Mike was the captain on a team that went to the finals last year. He may be a better leader than Dustin Brown.
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This entire post should have been one big ‘WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO’. Opportunity missed on your part
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All I can add to your questions are:
Loktionov is now a King…
The dice have been tossed…
And, to quote, from Quispie’s site:
Mike Richards IS a #1 Center.
by BoulderDodger on Jun 23, 2011 1:14 PM PDT
or 2. doesn’t really matter. That being said i’m shocked, saddened, and happy all at the same time
by BoulderDodger on Jun 23, 2011 1:15 PM PDT
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quisp Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:55 pm
@BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy,
Loktionov might be a King, but where does he play?
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sstephen17 Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:52 pm
@quisp, Perhaps a change in the team’s line-up philosophy? Instead of a two scoring lines, a shut-down line, and a 4th/energy line, you go with three balance scoring type lines and a 4th/energy line. Kopitar and Richards are great two-way players so they wouldn’t lose anything defensively if they have to match up against the other team’s top line.
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Cynic Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 5:20 pm
@quisp, Could this be a reason why Lotki spent time on the wing last season? I don’t know, just a thought that popped into my head. Bako’s right though, dice have been tossed. When my e-mail said Kings traded for Richards, you know where my mind went first…
Still happy about this trade. If you’re gonna lose a Schenn and a Simmonds, this is the guy to lose them for. We’re still stacked down the middle AND the kids can take even more time to develop now.
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This isn’t complicated at all.
The Kings BIGGEST issue the last two seasons is that, while a nice guy and admirable in his efforts…JARRET STOLL IS NOT A #2 CENTER.
Brayden Schenn was a PROSPECT. P-R-O-S-P-E-C-T.
Simmonds is a good grinder chip-in contributor, but getting guys like that isn’t even in the same stratosphere as getting a legitimate CENTERMAN.
I don’t care about second round picks for 6 years after the draft.
Mike Richards is LEGIT in every way. A legit player in all three zones, a proven WINNER, a LEADER, and he will bring some friggin BALLS to this team. Mike Richards is the MAN.
This will be another trade where the team that got the best PLAYER wins. That best player is MIKE FREAKING RICHARDS.
I cannot BELIEVE this happened and how positive it is for the Kings.
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Kingsrock80 Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:52 pm
@harglebargle,
Agree a 100%. Mike Richards is also capatain, that does all the little things like block shots, and play defense. All those things that get a team to a Cup Final. After the last playoff debacle, the Kings needs more players like Richards.
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JVG Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:54 pm
@harglebargle, yes, Schenn is a prospect. But so was Brian Boyle and he scored 21 goals last season for the Rangers. I’d like to have him back.
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Eric K Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 4:50 pm
@JVG, Schenn >>>>>>> Boyle. Man, we all need to get over Boyle; he had 14 assists ALL YEAR. He only had three goals in his last 30 games. He wouldn’t have a spot here; maybe a fourth-line center?
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MM Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:55 pm
@harglebargle, My initial reaction focused in on Schenn until I realized that we got a #1 C. I agree with you… Schenn is a prospect. An awfully good prospect but a prospect nonetheless. Richards is 26, signed long-term (albeit for approximately 5.5M a year), and has scored at least 30 goals twice. We NEED that scoring punch NOW.
As for Simmer, I thought he was going to make that jump last year but he actually regressed. We needed to get whatever we could get for him while he still had some value.
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Just Another Fan Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:02 pm
@harglebargle, Just one question… What has Richards won that makes him a “Proven WINNER”? Not saying he is not a great addition, just curious where this “WINNER” stuff is coming from.
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harglebargle Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:31 pm
@Just Another Fan, oh I dont know, made it to the Stanley Cup finals?
Won the Memorial Cup in 2003?
Won the Calder Cup in 2005?
WON A GOLD MEDAL IN THE OLYMPICS?
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Kingsfanone Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 4:26 pm
@harglebargle,
And I think he made it to said Finals without a solid goaltender. He now has that solid goaltender right here.
This guy is THAT kinda player to put this team over the top. And Dean may not be done dealing yet? THAT thought makes me drool.
Just Another Fan Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 7:09 pm
@harglebargle, So he actually is a PROVEN LOSER in the NHL FINALS, right? He had some pretty good teammates on that Olympic team, didn’t he? And Juniors and AHL Cups are a joke considering the roster additions for playoffs. That makes him anything but a “Proven Winner”. Sorry! Ryan Smyth is a great player and leader. He is not a “Proven Winner” since he has never WON the CUP. Richards has NOT won a Cup and can not be considered a “Proven Winner” like Williams CAN be.
Don’t get me wrong, I love this trade, I just can’t agree with your opinion on his
Jim S. Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 4:30 pm
@harglebargle,
Dude, you’re killin’ it today!
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One Big Question…..
We’re still working on a contract for DD, what if he’s upset we just traded away his buddy and roommate Simmers? I know they should be professional about it, but you have to wonder if this may come into play.
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harglebargle Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:38 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings, are you friggin kidding me with this.
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:39 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings, than that sucks
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shaun Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:41 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings, Management should be concerned about Simmonds as he regressed last season. There was probably red flags in there mind about him and his agent accept an RFA Offer Sheet. On another note Doughty and Simmonds were room mates. We all should know by know about the meaning of bad influences.
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Who Knows? Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:41 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings, Hockey is a business.. you cannot get too attached.
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kingsxstevenxkings Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:47 pm
@Who Knows?,
I’m aware of that, but is he? Not saying it’ll actually have any effect, but it is a very legitimate question to consider.
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red49er Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:35 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings, so maybe DD needs to room with a shrink if its so bad that he tanks again this year. Sack up DD, sign the best deal you can with the kings, get in TOP shape, (not soft and pudgy shape) and be the top 3 d-man league wide we all think you are.
masterhans Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 3:25 pm
@Who Knows?, with dd’s new contract, he wont need a roommate. hell need a staff
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nykingfan Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:46 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings,
There’s no way, but if you were correct how much would you be willing to invest in a guy who would ask out because his friend got traded and who would want a guy like that?
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Stephen Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:48 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings, I don’t know if this makes a difference, but if I remember correctly I think Drew said that during the Vancouver Olympics Richards was one of the players he connected with the most.
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Kingsrock80 Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:53 pm
@Stephen,
Dude, if Doughty is all butt-hurt that we traded his buddy, maybe he isn’t the kind of player would want to sign long term.
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Blue liner Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:57 pm
@Stephen
This might be managment’s way of telling doughty to concentrate on his business as a hockey player. And
Less on going out and drinking. Plus be won’t be playing any more late night video games with his best friend…
Time to step up doughnuts!
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Garrett Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 5:07 pm
@kingsxstevenxkings, If anything, Simmer being gone HELPS DD. Now he can grow up and start focusing on hockey. I think those two were a major distraction for each other.
I love the trade and would like to see us move Smyth and make a legit offer to Richards (Brad). Then put Mike R. on the left side and away we go. Two legit scoring lines.
Richards – Kopitar – Williams
Penner – Richards – Brown
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my world just sank if we dont make it to round 3 or 2 i be mad as ever!!!If this trade is real!!
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Kingsfanone Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 4:31 pm
@KingsFanFTW,
There are simply no guarantees in the world. But it sure seems like Dean is trying to stack the deck. All he can do is put the pieces in place, and it would seem he is trying to do just that.
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And yes, they can, and still should, get Richards. Think about it, going into this free agency, it was expected Smyth would still be on the team, and they’d also go out and get a Brad Richards, #1 type guy. That’s Smyth’s 6mil cap hit, and another 7 mil, = 13 mil.
Now, it’s Mike Richard’s 6 mil, and if you take Smyth away, now you have that 7 mil left for Brad Richards.
Smyth + 7mil player = 13 mil.
Mike Richards + Brad Richards = 12-13 mil.
So you can do it, and you should. Kopitar still needs a top winger. Brad Richards can play his wing. Or, if Mike Richards is going to play his wing, then the Kigns still need a #2 center. That’s Brad Richards.
Most every team who wins the Cup, boston aside, has three top line forwards or more. Now the Kings have 2 in theory. Mike Richards has played like a 3rd line player recently, but if he can get back to old form, the Kings have 2 now. That’s 1 on the top line, 1 on the 2nd line. The 2nd line doesnt need two top liners. One main guy, 2 support guys, that makes a normal 2nd line. But a true #1 line needs at least 2 guys. Kopitar still needs a partner up there. That has to be Brad Richards.
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bbb7 Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:04 pm
@Dillix, Yes! IF they could swing both, we’re right there with the best teams in the league IMMEDIATELY!
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I like the trade because we are close to a conference final type team and Richards brings us all the grit wand toughness and scoring that we need. Simmonds took a step back last year but maybe that was murray’s system?
This trade is all about Schenn. If he developes into a Kopitar-like player, then it was horrible. Otherwise, I’d rather have the proven player than a fragile potentially great player.
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nykingfan Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:48 pm
@Carol Vadnais,
If his regression was due to TM’s system, how was he so good previously..under the same system?
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quisp Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:58 pm
@nykingfan,
because he was given more defensive responsibility and his line (minus frolov) got much worse. not that I’m necessarily agreeing with the point.
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Gary Livingston Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:53 pm
@Carol Vadnais,
If Simmonds came up in Murray’s system and did well in it to begin with why would you blame the system for him taking a step back?
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Carol Vadnais Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:22 pm
@Gary Livingston, See Quick’s reply because it was my explanation too: Frolov was a big reason for Simmonds productivity and the Handzeus line became even more of a checking line and that cut his production back.
I still think this could be a great trade. Richards is EXACTLY the type of player TM loves: a gritty, two way grinder who can lead the power play and has great vision.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:49 pm
I’m especially glad that Toronto doesn’t end up with Schenn…just because all that bitterness gets re-warmed-over again in that bitter town.
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OMG OMG OMG
I NEED TIME TO PROCESS THIS
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I think this trade is good. we get a player that is what we wish Schenn to be for basicly Simmonds. Richards hits as hard as brown ever has and gives us the secondary scoring we have been missing. Good Deal…
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Lets not forget that PP will improve with Mike on it.
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A Tweeter:
theroyalhalf Now I really say we make a move for Brad Richards. Richards-Richards-Richardson is Bob Miller’s wet dream.
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I’m super excited about this. Great trade in my opinion. We get a gritty proven leader who will add wonders to this team, is only 26 years old and is signed until 2020… with a reasonable cap hit.
YES, it sucks to lose Simmonds; loved his game. I do think a Clifford type could fit his role though. Schenn was hard to lose too… but we have other prospects who could perform better in time, we don’t know. Loktionov being one that jumps out at me right now.
Either way, this Kings fan is super excited about this new addition!!
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Cynic Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 5:29 pm
@KingNewfie,
Yep. I think Clifford’s late season play made it easier for Dean to trade Wayne. NO doubt.
Stoll is basically 4th line if we resign Zeus and may end up trade bait for a scoring winger. I love this move though. Very ballsy move, but well played. Not emotionally driven at all.
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tuan jim Reply:
June 24th, 2011 at 3:59 am
@Cynic,
Lay off Stoll. A guy that game-versatile and productive in gaining shoot-out points has tremendous value. And why would you trade your best face-off man?
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kind of glad we went after richards and not carter. under murray’s system goal scorers are basically handcuffed, rather go for strength down the middle than a winger that might not make it in the system.
penner-kopitar-williams
smyth-richards-brown
clifford-stoll-richardson
lewis-handzus-westgarth
??? whats gonna happen!
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BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:43 pm
@jonjon,
Smyth is going to say, “Bye Bye!”
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Is Schenn really as good as what he was marketed as? I mean, could his “great potential” have been some “great marketing” by DL to drive up his future trade value? Many say he is extremely talented, but when he was up with the big boys he looked very “normal”, nothing at all like you saw from Stamkos, Skinner and others in his situation. Maybe DL was smarter than everybody, and when he traded Schenn, he just traded another player who may have been a top 6 foward sometime in the next few years if he doesn’t get injured again like he did last year.
By the way, I still think there is another shoe getting ready to drop and my thought is that there will be some kind of deal with Calgary to trade Smyth for Regehr or Iginla (I know, I really wanted Parise, but it isn’t Chirstmas yet).
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Hey Rich, are you apologizing for or defending DL? That’s what it sound like. Been following the Kings for more years than your age and am sick and tired of not developing from within more than we have. Looks like a Dave Taylor trade.
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Krusher Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:50 pm
@scepin, We are still stocked in the minors. If you want to be serious contenders you have to use your assets to fill holes. I believe this is what DL thinks he is doing. Only time will tell if he is right.
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Shakes Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:57 pm
@scepin,
Respectfully disagree.
What about Quick, Doughty, Jack Johnson, Bernier, Clifford, Parise (soon, not quite yet), Brownie, and what’s that’s kids name….hmm.. oh yeah, Kopi..that’s not too shabby. And i’m not even fully mentioning Loki or Martinez
Also I think part of developing from within is taking young assets that were not valued highly by others, increasing them, and trading them for assets with more upside…that’s where Simmonds comes in, Kyle Quincy to get some good leadership from Ryan Smyth,
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nykingfan Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:10 pm
@scepin,
after reading your post, I went back and re-read Rich’s article…where are you getting that Rich is either apologizing or defending anyone?
Nobody likes to build from within more than I do..but when you can get a player like Richards for Schenn.a guy you would be thrilled with if he became the next Mike Richards, you’d be a fool not to pull the trigger.
To compare this to Dave Taylor tpe trades is absurd. Richards is only 26. He’s in the absolute prime of his career.
You are way off base! I think you you should re-think what you wrote.
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historyguy67 Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 3:00 pm
@scepin, Dude…Hockey’s Future just rated the Kings’ farm system #1 in the NHL, and they only traded one part of it. Don’t even begin to compare this trade to Taylor or (god forbid) McMaster. The Kings are still a hugely deep organization, and now, maybe with the addition of a scoring winger, a true Stanley Cup contender.
How long has it been since they’ve been both a Cup contender and deep on the farm? Try never.
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Kings did not have a 1st round pick to offer for Carter.
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WOW!!! I am completely in shock right now…I can’t even think straight. I’m excited about this trade. I have to agree with others that Schenn was a prospect and I’m tired of waiting and waiting..and I wasn’t impressed with Simmer this last season. WOW! Still choking over this info!!!
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I like the trade and agree with all those who classify Schenn as a prospect, but I’m fairly sure he’ll be a solid NHL player, just not right now. Simmonds, did take a step backwards and that always concerns you about how much a player wants it. By all rights Simmonds should have at least flatlined, but he was so inconsistant and that is concerning. I like Simmonds, but it was frustrating to watch him disappear last year. If you can’t bring it game in and game out, then use the pieces you have to get something top-notch that you can count on. If Smyth gets traded, I’ll be sad to see a class player traded, but he’s starting to get slow, so no loss there. The questions are who becomes the 3rd and 4th line centers, where does Loktinov fit in all of this, and what about a legitimate scoring LW? The left wing issue is still there and it’s not going away.
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according to capgeek.com we still have 10 million in cap room.
assuming we trade smyth (BIG IF) we will have almost 17 million in cap space.
give brad richards a 7 mil a year cap hit and we still have 10 to lock up drew and go after another guy
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Jamesonafterawin Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 3:10 pm
@KH, Brad wants more than 7 a year, I can bet the farm on that. And I have a farm!
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Wow, this came out of the blue. I was expecting only a salary dump in Smyth to Edmonton for a pick, I never saw this one coming. I’m real bummed about losing Simmonds, a fan favorite, and Schenn, who was considered the best prospect in hockey, but Kopi-Richards down the middle for the next decade can propel us to contender status. Don’t know why Philly did this deal though, aren’t they looking for goaltending?
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KH Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:47 pm
@Bailey Fan, they just signed ilya bryzgalov to a 9 year 51 million contract
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Like it:
- DL just made sure we weren’t the dumped bridegroom at the alter with Brad Richards a la Kovalchuk last year.
- Clifford has made Simmonds expendable (I seem to recall Clifford-Lewis-Richardson was the line that gelled in the playoffs)
- Richards is a proven NHL’er, 30 goal scorer, still relatively young (will be part of core), captain, deep playoff experience, while Schenn is still at the “potential” stage
Additionally:
- there is room for Lotki and his creativity to move up next year if Stoll leaves via free agency (or if we trade him earlier)
- many were speculating Simmonds was a bad influence on Doughty; if true it’s moot now
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Krusher Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 1:52 pm
@comb over, I think you went 5 for 5 on your post. Point 1 being the first time I have read it and it feels spot on.
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puddle Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:22 pm
@comb over, Excellent post.
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Weasel Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:36 pm
@comb over,
Could you list some of the details about Simmonds negative influences? Are these widely known or still just speculative at this point? Is there a post in the archinves here about that issue?
Thanks
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tuan jim Reply:
June 24th, 2011 at 4:03 am
@comb over,
It was Clifford-Richie-Simmer in the playoffs.
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great move for the next two/three years, but long term…. I don’t know if this was the smartest move.
And obviously as Rich mentioned Smyth leaving, Simmonds Gone, and most likely Zuess, we have several big holes to fill.
Which raises the question, who else will Dean trade to fill these pieces?
Penner – Kopi – Williams
???? – Richards – Brown
Lewis – Stoll? – Parse
Clifford – Westgarth – ????
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lgk!!! Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:10 pm
@lgk!!!, Also, what do you think about Loktionov & Smyth for Eberle?
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Andrew Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 3:49 pm
@lgk!!!, oh no not that, i like lokti
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Irish lak Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 4:21 pm
@lgk!!!, westy is not a center, put lokti in at 4th line, .now one hole to fill, and we ave the patch, either through a trade or farm.
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Why
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Shakes Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:18 pm
@Danny O.,
Why not?
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BobKnob Reply:
June 24th, 2011 at 12:57 am
@Danny O.,
bcuz
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So we need a top of te line left winger like Zach Parise to complement the Dustin Brown ,Anze Kopitar line and we go out and get a secondary scorer from Philadelphia and we give up our top prospect one of our team leaders and a draft pick ? It’s no wonder why Dean was fired from San Jose , he may be the best talent scout in the league and a beast when it comes to drafting but that’s it he doesn’t understand the inner workings of a team or what pieces go where . I am speechless I guess we will just keep trying people out at left wing and Terry Murray will just have to keep shuffling the lines like he did all year long. I really thought all of our efforts as fans to support the team and sell out every game mean nothing , the kings will never make the moves other teams are willing to make
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fsd1 Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:35 pm
@Mcsorley’stick93, Dl isnt done yet and you seem to still be angry over the stick job in 93.
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rontheking Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 3:04 pm
@fsd1, Not sure what to make of all of this, but that was funny what you said.
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Phil Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:54 pm
@Mcsorley’stick93, Mike Richards is not a secondary scorer. he was 3rd on the flyers this past season. Also, last I read the Devils filed for arbitration with Parise. Which means he will be signed to the Devils for at least one season. Which means he is probably not available for trade (at least not yet).
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Holy he l l, Bob Miller is going to have a hard time with this. Mike Richards, Brad Richardson, and maybe Brad Richards.
Nervous breakdown time for Bob
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Now PHI signs Bryzgalov for 9 years/$51MM. Part of the reason for the PHI trades is probably personality conflicts with the NHL’s #1A jerk, Pronger, but part of it was probably to free up salary for the goalie. Based on all the PHI fans that are crying (for now at least) about trading Richards, if Bryzgalov does not get the Flyers to at least the Finals, Winnipeg will not look so bad all of a sudden.
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I don’t mind trading Schenn if you’re getting a top level player in return (which i think Richards is) but i’d rather have seen the move be for a winger.
I’ll miss Simmonds. I don’t think he’s really a top six guy, let alone the power-forward some want to see him as, but his hustle and willingness to do whatever was asked or needed was valuable and contagious.
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I hope doughty doesn’t take his best friend being traded away personally. We still haven’t signed him long term.
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fsd1 Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:36 pm
@playarlos, If he does he will never survive the NHL. These are MEN, not little girls,.
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I could see Simmonds going but why Schenn? Mike Richards is a good player though and has playoff experience. The Kings were also dreadful in face offs last season so hopefully Richards is good in the circle.
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If Richards doesn’t score +30 goals this season, it will be Lombardi’s 3 consecutive bust of a trade
(Halpern -> Purcell, Teubert/1st round pick -> Fatty, and now Schenn/Simmonds -> Richards)
Dean is on the hot seat
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jonjon Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:23 pm
@kevin from toronto, youve also got to think about the talent who arent scoring 30 now. brown? kopitar? murray’s system isnt very offense friendly. yes we need him to score 30 but i dont see how this trade could turn out as a bust. purcell is no richards, penner is no richards. we just picked up a character two way player who can bring offense. exactly what this team needs, people are silly to get attached to simmonds who took a definite step back and schenn who could only end up being a mike richards in the future. this deal is already a good deal, if it doesnt turn out good its not on dean. its on the player to commit to the team, and the coach to coach him into the system. dean brought a good player in, to be honest id rather have mike than brad. mike can play this system, would brad be able to? good deal no matter what, this is a guy you want on your team no regrets.
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puddle Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:24 pm
@kevin from toronto, Scoring 30+ goals is the only thing that makes one a superstar? That’s total hogwash.
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kevin from toronto Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 3:24 pm
@puddle, I just don’t see why they got a centre. We all know the Kings are stocked at centre.
It’s just gonna be hard to see Schenn play somewhere else.
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So, are we thinking this increases or diminishes the Kings getting Brad Richards?
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Hurricane Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:27 pm
@Gary Livingston,
Gary,
I feel this absolutely increases the Kings ability and consistency going forward. Schenn despite many proponents here, is at best a good prospect and in no way meets the thoughts of the populous here. Kings win this trade by a margin at this point and in the future I think they win it also.
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I need time to mull this over. I wish I knew more about Mike Richards.
One thing I don’t get – why does this trade, per Rich, “appear to increase the likelihood that Ryan Smyth will be traded or bought out” ??
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Alan Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:15 pm
@RolePlayer, cap space.. It’s really what it comes down to.
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Trade aside for a second..
Dean had the stones to make a big transaction, but all year long we were hearing nothing but good things about Schenn. It seems to me like we constantly develop talent with huge potential, then never give them adequate opportunity to prove themselves in the show.
This was a very “expensive” deal and I really hope it works out!
GKG
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Jim S. Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 4:49 pm
@Alan,
It was an “expensive” deal, both in personnel & dollars. I hope that TM opens up his system so that the team can score goals. I also think that this deal should also quiet any talk about AEG being a hinderance or a liability to DL’s building of cup-challenging team. That Richard’s contract is one long-term & expensive committment! The team acquires Richards for one roster player, a top prospect, and a 2nd round pick. There’s no waiting or hoping that Schenn develops into a #2 center… the team just used him to get one. The big club is already better going into next season.
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If Mike Richards helps the Kings win a cup or two or three down the road then who really cares how good Schenn ends up being?
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Not to be nitpicky, but I noticed the post said Simmonds is due to become an unrestricted free agent on July 1. I believe that Simmonds is only due to become a restricted free agent.
(Not trying to point out errors like a troll or anything Rich. I just noticed that others like Puck Daddy were quoting you with this info too.)
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Rich Hammond Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:22 pm
Thanks…appreciate that. Typing too fast!
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We still need another scoring threat. I’m assuming DL is going to count on Parse heavily. But to replace Smythe, we need B. Richards too. Then I think we have two strong lines and can really compete against the DET/SJ/VAN in our conference
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Kind of numb, but kneejerk is this is a good thing for reasons that several people have posted already:
Schenn – unproven commodity (who knows maybe DL didn’t think he’d hang with the battery that is the NHL)
Simmonds – might not have been what we thought he would be. maybe a negative influence when romming with DD. Maybe the ankle/knee injury is a lingering thing. Maybe he would get an offer sheet and we’d get nothing back.
Richards – I don’t know what to say. The Kings have just aquired the gritty/nasty/chippy player that I’ve always dreamed we’d have on our bench.
My only concern lies with the captaincy of the team. WillDB feel intimidated by Richards?
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fsd1 Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:38 pm
@Stuart, NO, I doubt DB is intimidated by anyone.
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Stuart Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:48 pm
@fsd1, I hope you’re correct. And conversely I hope Richards doesnt become any less than he is because he doesnt want to take away from DB’s captaincy…
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I’m a flyers fan and loved Richards’ play. He has a lot of Bobby Clarke in him and plays like a Gym rat. He’ll get in anyone’s face and makes his linemates play tougher. The Kings got a player that helped Canada win the gold medal. I hope the Flyers know what they’re doing???
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tuan jim Reply:
June 24th, 2011 at 4:12 am
@Freddie t,
You’re getting good value in Simmonds. The people who crab about his “step-back” last season have forgotten why they liked him in the first place.
He’ll be back, will play like a Flyer, and I hope he torments EVERYBODY — except the Kings.
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Still would love to see Brad Richards in the purple and black. Especially if Ryan Smith is leaving. We need all the big bodies in front of the net that we can get.
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Would any team out there be interested in Ryan Symth? It seems to me once you say trade or buyout you’ve basically admitted that no one would give you value for your asset at that salary.
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deadcatbounce Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:44 pm
@Weasel, Most trades these days are done with salary cap numbers in mind, so if Smyth is dealt you can expect a fairly large contract coming back in return. If he goes to Edmonton, my thought is that Edmonton will try to force Souray on the Kings, who can buy out his contract once the trade is completed.
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Weasel Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:59 pm
@deadcatbounce,
Hmm, but what’s the gain in that then? Would the buyout for Souray be cheaper for us? Could we eat part of his contract to get a better return in players?
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deadcatbounce Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 3:14 pm
@Weasel, Not sure of the exact numbers, but I think that it’s close enough to call it a wash. The Oil would have to give the Kings something tangible back, though, not just dump Souray on them. Edmonton is only going to buy him out before the end of the month, so my thinking is that why don’t they at least try to unload him on somebody else first and save the buyout hit. They need defensemen, so can make it up to the cap floor by signing two or three guys to come in and work the blue line. Just my opinion, not a very popular one I don’t think, but there you have it.
I got all excited UNTIL I read it again and realized it said “Mike Richards” NOT “Brad Richards”…
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Jamesonafterawin Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 2:50 pm
@brian, Well, The Kings got a Richards. But yeah, I thought to myself no way, just no way. Then I remembered the other Richards and thought to myself ‘Gee, a trade with Philly, didn’t see that coming”. Sarcasm.
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deadcatbounce Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 3:40 pm
@brian, Just be freaking glad it didn’t say Keith Richards.
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My biggest concern is that Deano better not be done, because we’re going to need a COUPLE left wingers, if this means Smyth is gone.
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OMG..I am as giddy as a school girl right now. For those DL bashers who claims he won’t pull the trigger…here you go! Absolutely love the trade.L.A. is going to love this guy, as much, if not more than Kopi. Only hope he’s looking forward to joining our jouney for the cup. Smyth will be gone, but Zus will sign now (one year). Way to go DL for showing us diehards the organ-i-zation is serious about pursuing the cup.
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CUP4LA Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 3:21 pm
@wideleft, We don’t need Zeus now. We have out 4 centers. Kopitar, Richards, Stoll, and Lewis.
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Andrew Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 3:57 pm
@CUP4LA, loki, and lewis plays the wing
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All they need is a Richard, then you can have Richard, Richards, and Richardson!
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Awesome DL!!!!! this is the best trade he has made. And we dont loose much IMO. Simmonds is not going to be better than 20 goals a year and shouldnt have been mentioned as part of the core and schenn will take years to develop and wouldnt be much better than Richards anyway. This is a great deal. Now if we can just trade bernie and Johnson + pick for Parise we could make a serious run. But this trade alone is a huge improvement!!!!!!!
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tuan jim Reply:
June 24th, 2011 at 4:16 am
@kingfish,
Trade Bernier and JJ + a pick for Parise?
Please! When you forget to take your medication you fall into these psychotic fits.
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I am more shocked that there hasn’t been a huge wave of complaints about the whole Philly connection thing, which I am very grateful for. We are now extremely strong down the middle and on the back end. Look what Pitt did with Crosby/Malkin and no real top notch wingers. Maybe we should go after Ville Leino he mighr be a good fit. Simmer moving out of DD place might be an added bonus. My buddies in Hermosa say they see Simmer out way more than DD. This move could knock DD back into Norris candidate form.
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First off, wow….
ok, now that is out of the way. here’s my reaction to the trade.
We definitely got the best player in the deal. that is huge. second, he has a very manageable contract and still gives the Kings a ton of cap room should DL move Smyth like he’s planning on doing.
Mike Richards is a top-10 center in the NHL and i would argue top-5 all-around. at minimum, the KIngs have 2 of the ten best centers in the league. this is exactly what DL wanted – he cares the most about the center of the ice.
i hate seeing Simmonds go but i’m not sure he’s ever going to be more than a 20-goal/energy guy. we have a number of those types of players. my one concern is how Doughty feels about this. with his contract situation in limbo i have some concerns about his reaction.
of course, it’s never fun giving up a major prospect but Schenn’s ceiling is Mike Richards, and as someone so eloquently put it, we now have Mike Richards.
DL must have believed he couldn’t get Brad Richards, and frankly, Mike is a much better fit for this system than Brad is as much as i liked the idea of Brad on the Kings.
from here i am assuming DL finds a way to move Smyth to either EDM or CGY to free up his $6.25M in cap space. but for now here is what i see…
Penner-Kopitar-Williams $15M
Parse-Richards-Brown (love Richards and Brown playing together) $10M
Clifford-Stoll-? $4M
Richie-Lewis-Westgarth $3.5M
Doughty-Mitchell $9M
Johnson-Scuderi $8M
Greene-Martinez $4.5M
Quick-Bernier $3M
by my count there is about $7M in space or so if DL moves Smyth and assuming Doughty re-signs for $5-$6 cap hit and the RFAs sign for a little more than last year. that is plenty of room to go get one more impact forward.
wow, great day to be a Kings fan.
clearly i think DL is planning on bringing in at least one more impact forward if he moves Smyth.
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Why do people keep putting Penner at left wing?
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Dave Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 3:27 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, because that’s where he plays
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 9:36 pm
@Dave, He’s listed as a right-winger.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
June 23rd, 2011 at 9:39 pm
http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8471208#&navid=nhl-keymatch
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Dave Reply:
June 24th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, interesting – he played with Kopitar and Williams last year on the left side. not sure why they have him listed as a RW.
So much for trying to be patient on a rebuild. I’d hv preferred the Kings bring up Schenn and see what happens. A real bummer to lose Simmonds.
Oh well.
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Thank god simmonds is gone, he stinks. Well, our offense stinks so maybe he is not as bad as he looked but we won’t miss him. Go out and get Brad, we need scoring and speed.
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tuan jim Reply:
June 24th, 2011 at 4:20 am
@johnjuan,
Yeah, Simmer stinks so bad that he’s the only roster player Philly was satisfied with in the deal.
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If Wayne Simmonds is gone to join the Flyers as a right wing and if a possible to trade Ryan Smyth as a left wing and Brayden Schenn is gone is the kings are looking to get a new right wing and left wing or Dustin Penner will play left wing to replace simmonds
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Too…shocked…to…understand…I think I like it though!
Good luck Simmer and Schenn!
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sad to lose both Schenn and Simmonds. Dean can not be done yet. we need wings. I see us losing a goaltender soon. If I can’t watch Schenn become a top line player. Can I at least watch Nugent-Hopkins play for the Kings….Please
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Here’s my opinion. The Kings got a KNOWN NHL player in Mike Richards. He’s an 80 point/season guy. All they had to give up was a minor leaguer in Brayden Schenn, who may or may not ever be an 80 point/season scorer, Wayne Simmonds, who I believe we already have that type of player in Kyle Clifford, and a draft pick.
In the past 6 months, the Kings have acquired a 60-70 point scorer in Penner and a 80-90 point guy in Richards and all they had to give up was 2 minor leaguers, 2 draft picks, and Wayne Simmonds. A nice piece of work, if you ask me!!!
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