Saturday skate update; Ponikarovsky out

The Kings will go with a fourth line of Jarret Stoll centering Dustin Penner and Kevin Westgarth. Alexei Ponikarovsky and Oscar Moller are the healthy scratches as Scott Parse returns to the lineup on a line with Michal Handzus and Justin Williams. Once again, it’s Jonathan Quick vs. Antti Niemi in goal. More notes and quotes to come…

217 Comments

  1. ty32LA says:

    Yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss. Westgarth will have more opportunities then Penner tonight. Hoping im wrong lol. Go Kings Go!!!!!

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  2. Drink says:

    Poni is solid cycling, away from the puck and in the pk. His effort alone should have earned his spot over penner. Let’s hope tm saw something today that means penner plays well tonight.

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    Danielle Reply:

    @Drink,

    I totally agree. Poni has looked pretty good, at least compared to Penner. There must be something to the decision, right?

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    sstephen17 Reply:

    @Danielle, My guess is that Poni isnt coming back next year whereas Penner is.

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    RobSD Reply:

    @sstephen17,

    If that is the case, I hate this management even more. Next year is next year, you put the strongest players out to win. Penner should be benched.

    Bluecoconuts Reply:

    @sstephen17, that would be my guess… I feel bad for Poni, I’ve always liked him, even without the production. I think TM is looking for the future, wants Penner to think he’s always been believed in, in hopes that he is more consistent next year.

    poe Reply:

    @sstephen17, Maybe Penner found Selanne’s source of energy….hmmmm

    dahack11 Reply:

    @Danielle, “There must be something to the decision, right”

    I’m stumped. I’m no fan of Poni, but he scored our last goal &, in my eyes, is playing hard & doing what needs to be done. Why Murray is sitting him instead of Penner or Westgarth is beyond me.

    I’m starting to wonder if westgarth & Quick have comprising photos of TM. Again, I’m not blaming Quick, but a goalie change makes more sense, & while Westgarth isn’t playing bad, his 3 minutes of ice time hardly justifies his being in the lineup IN A MUST GAME…..

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    Poorman Reply:

    @dahack11, As usual, have to wonder about the Quick decision. So rigid, so inflexible. I always love the explanation that it was the teams fault that goals are let in. And then you hear Jim Fox dribble on whenever there’s a great Quick stop that your best defender is your goalie. BTW, and no offense, Jim Fox as a broadcaster is very average compared to Bob. I wish Bob was in his prime, because he was briliant. Fox these days has to talk way too much.

    MmmmYummy Reply:

    @Poorman, I think it says a lot for Mr. Miller that at his point he is better than 90% of the blowhards out there. I think FOX [the network] would replace him in a minute if they could find anyone better. Since everyone else is doing it, maybe AEG & FOX should consider outsourcing their entire staff ;-) .

    pitty Reply:

    @Danielle, Yea something stupid to the decision. I supported TM all season long but i hope to hell he is gone next year. I just don’t like the play north american players no matter what and bench euro players for little or no reason. Just don’t care for some of his decisions and question his motivation for those decisions.

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    Poorman Reply:

    @pitty, And then how many mulligans does DL get. He hires Crawford, then TM. And free agents Cloutier, Poni, etc. and trades for Penner. Can’t sign Kovalchuk or another needed winger. Let’s not forget, previous to the Kings recycle, he is let go by the Sharks

    7holesniper Reply:

    @pitty, i understand your frustration with murray but you have to look at the last two years, both 46 win seasons which ties a franchise record, you think we’re gonna be any better without him? not like theres a good nhl coach just sitting around waiting to be hired. bottom line we should have waited and went after a UFA this year, 1.Alex Semin??? 2.Simon Gange??? 3.Nikolai Zherdev??? I think Pens will be good after a summer with Kopi but i still say we should of grabbed Zherdev this year, he’s a hidden gem and he’d probably come cheap.

    Gmo Reply:

    @Drink, PONI is useless too

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  3. Louis Zypher says:

    There’s your reward for scoring, Poni…..
    I haven’t called for anyone’s head yet….but its getting difficult not to….
    Aww heck……..GKG!!@!!!

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    Duckbasher Reply:

    @Louis Zypher,

    Can I do it for you? OFF WITH HIS HEAD (TM).

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    Gmo Reply:

    @Louis Zypher. Hits don’t win Games goals do. Penner or PONI have not done much of that

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  4. friarking says:

    was there some “no-scratch” clause in the Penner trade? I’m sorry, but Penner is making me miss Jeff Halpern

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    DonnyK Reply:

    @friarking, Ha ha!!

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    Paul M. Hedberg Reply:

    @friarking, Halpern?Penner makes me miss Sandy Moger,Cliff Ronning,Anson Carter & Jeremy Roenick…combined.

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  5. dabronx says:

    What?

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    EJ Reply:

    @dabronx, Exactly.

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    kluka68 Reply:

    @EJ, There is another one: WHY?????

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    Dominick Reply:

    @dabronx,
    What you talkin bout Willis?

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    GEORGE Reply:

    @Dominick, LMFAO

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    Waterndirt Reply:

    @dabronx, Just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. Strange behavior by TM to play Westgarth over Poni or Moller. I’m sorry but Westgarth doesn’t belong in this series nor do I think that just because he is skating better does he deserve a roster spot on the team. What a let down to your fans TM!!! LGK

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    Istillbelieve Reply:

    @Waterndirt, Westgarth has out skated and out scored Penner. And he will drop the gloves to protect him too. Penner should sit

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    dabronx Reply:

    @Istillbelieve,
    I dont get it. Parse hasnt played in forever and he gets the nod over Poni in an elimination game. Sends the wrong message too the team in my opinion. I wonder if Penner is well liked by the team? They cant like the effort he puts out. He tekes the shortest shifts and rarely gets physical

  6. Eric says:

    Poni and Penner… Poni actually threw a couple hits last game, but whatever… Lombardi probably forced Murray to keep Penner in the lineup

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    Bob Smith Reply:

    @Eric, Dean is probably out finding that next great draft pick that will push the Kings over the hump. He probably had nothing to do with Murray’s decision about tonights lineup.

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    TG from HB Reply:

    @Bob Smith, Bob, you’re surely drinking the Lombardi koolaid aren’t you.

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    RobSD Reply:

    @TG from HB,

    Fire tm. He taught them a system but his game day decisions are always terrible. We need a change… We have a lot of talent.

  7. friarking says:

    Poni getting the Frolov treatment. =(

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    Puckn-A Reply:

    @friarking, He deserves it, he has been like Penner but over an entire season. By the way Frolov out scored Poni and with 18 games less played.

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    Dominick Reply:

    @Puckn-A,
    Funny how so many Kingsfans are sore about the Fro, and his inconsistancies. We could of used those 51 points during the season. Although I do like Poni, Fro haters got what they wanted and Poni scored a wopping 15 points in the same position. I guess the phraze be careful what you wish for rings true.

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    rumpa#19 Reply:

    @Dominick, Nice and short and correctomoondo sir

    GreyPaws Reply:

    @Dominick,

    Poni never looked bored on the ice, I love Fro, he was born in the same city as me, but I liked frolov more than froloaf. He secretly wanted to go to NY anyway, Rodeo Drive was just not cutting it anymore, he needed 5th avenue prices for his suits.

    hockeykingsguy Reply:

    @Dominick, I know.. Who cares if Poni is scratched. Is is worthless too and won’t be coming back next season. Let’s not all forget how big of a bust Poni has been the whole season.

    Duckbasher Reply:

    @friarking,

    It’s clear. Murray and DL are on San Jose’s payroll. That has to be it. I’ve been a fan since I was 12 (1967) and I’ve had it with TM. He treated Frolov like crap but then plays a slug like Westgarth? Now he’s all but told Poni to pack his bags. Poni is a way better player than TM has ALLOWED him to be. Westgarth is a total joke. I’m tired of the “there’s always next year BS”. FIRE TM. Or I’m not spending my money on this team any more.

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  8. EMB3 says:

    Wow!? That is unexpected. I hope Penner pay’s for TM’s confidence. Please show up Penner.

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    Eric Reply:

    @EMB3, Or drinks

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    tacomakingsfan Reply:

    @EMB3,
    He’s not.

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    Duckbasher Reply:

    @EMB3,

    Maybe he’s paying Murray’s green fees on Sunday?

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  9. Simarosa says:

    OK, just get Moller to the airport as the Monarchs need him for tonights game.

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    Dominick Reply:

    @Simarosa,
    I Wish someone would have thought of that yesterday.

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    Simarosa Reply:

    @Dominick,

    Yeah really, if only the powers that be would have asked for our thoughts!

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  10. teach says:

    SIGH. I want a 24/7 so I can see what goes on in Murray’s head. But still———–GO KINGS!!! WE WANT a GAME 6! #beatSJ

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  11. Bob Smith says:

    Let’s see the great Terry Murray coach the hockey god, Dean Lombardi’s rebuilt Kings into the second round of the Stanley Cup playoffs. You gotta love their chances with these two hockey minds in charge. Go Kings Go!

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  12. KingsFanFTW says:

    wow they let a dead weight waste this game poor Poni i know u tryed i guess TM doesnt like u

    he soo in love with Penner

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    Duckbasher Reply:

    @KingsFanFTW,

    Penner shares his babes. Poni won’t?

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  13. HipCheck says:

    That makes no sense. TM talks about needing people to give 100%. DP has never come close and Poni was actually skating, hitting, and score last game!

    Unbelievable.

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  14. ChrisKingsFan says:

    Wow! I don’t even know what to say. TM , Penner and DL are probably the only people that agree with this move. :(

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    Duckbasher Reply:

    @ChrisKingsFan,

    I doubt Penner cares.

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  15. System Wins says:

    its like Penner youre going to play or youre not going to play.

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  16. Bob Smith says:

    JQ is either going to have a shutout or will give up another 5-6 goals. Either way – TM will ride him all the way to the SC or the golf course.

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    Scot Reply:

    @Bob Smith,

    If Quick gave up 5 goals in the 1st period, and Bernier relieved him and didn’t give up a goal in the last 2 periods.. TM would go back to Quick for the next game. If there was a next game, that is. That’s why TM needs to be fired. He doesn’t make the logical choices, most of the time, and we just can’t seem to get past the first round. Bring in Barry Melrose, for crying out loud.

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    Dominick Reply:

    @Scot,
    Barry couldn’t make it past the 15 game mark to start a season. I’d throw a couple of million at Scotty Bowman if I thought he would do it, but it’s not my money, and Scotty would probably have a heart attack as soon as he started reading Kingsfans responses to his decisions.

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    GreyPaws Reply:

    @Scot,

    We could just hire you, I’m assuming you have more NHL experience than TM with the comments you made.

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    Scot Reply:

    @GreyPaws,

    When do I start?

    Scot Reply:

    @GreyPaws,

    PENNER. LAPS. NOW.

    UNTIL I SAY STOP.

    And I will be in my office taking a nap.

    number 6 Reply:

    @GreyPaws,

    That’s really funny….

    Dominick Reply:

    @Scot, If you promise to do the opposite of whatever Kompon would do on the power play you got my vote. :)

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    variable Reply:

    @Scot,

    i’m a little jealous we don’t have torts…i would have liked to see him pulling the chain for this team…

    i don’t think that t.m. will get fired because that would probably mean the end of d.l….and that’s not gonna happen…it’s not because the two are completely tied together – more like sipping from the same keg of delirium (tremens, that is)…it’s just that d.l. really believes in his coach as far as we know and up until this point…

    and i guess that will be the $64,000 question when the season is over…:
    is d.l. still satisfied with t.m….?

    hmmmmmmm….

    possibly losing to san jose without yr top scorer will buy the coach a chance to start next season…

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    Dominick Reply:

    @variable,
    The loss of Kopi is the only reason I complain about the obvious, but stop short of asking for a pitchfork, torches, and a gibbet. As unhappy as I am, I think your absolutely right on TM possibly starting next season. Maybe offensive short commings, and lack of a real plan to attack with the puck, throughout the season are enough, but It might be 50/50 right now. Kompon should at the very least step down. We’ll see.

    Duckbasher Reply:

    @Scot,

    YAY! Bring back the mullet!

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  17. Jeff says:

    What is the big deal, it isn’t like Poni is going to be back next season. If this is the final game of the season, then I am ok with Penner playing. I mean he will be back next season, unless DL can pull out some magic voodoo and find some GM to take a flier on him. I mean what exactly would the Kings get for Penner? Anyway I hope he comes out with a fire in his butt and shows us the REAL Dustin Penner.

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    kluka68 Reply:

    @Jeff, I don’t think Poni and Zus are coming back next year.

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    Timbo from Canada Reply:

    @kluka68, I was just thinking the same thing. As much as I love Zues it’s time to cut ties next season. Poni and Zues and I m thinking Martinez should be dealt for more experience. As much as I love Ritchie too, I also thinking he may have to go. Thus meaning Schenn will be here and we will need to find at least 3 more replacements for offense.

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    Kings x Reply:

    @kluka68, Agreed

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    EMB3 Reply:

    @Jeff, It’s not about who’s here next season. It’s about putting the best team on the ice tonight. There’s no better time to show Penner that his lack of effort is not acceptable.

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    Mike Reply:

    @Jeff, Hmmm. Just who is the “real” Dustin Penner? Obviously, we all would like to see something out of him other than what we’ve gotten so far.

    Whatever the decisions are as to who is playing and who is not, I’m still a Kings fan and wish them the very best tonight.

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    dahack11 Reply:

    @Mike, “Just who is the “real” Dustin Penner?”

    Hard to know since the Kings, “insider”, won’t talk to him, &/or won’t divulge what is being hidden from us fans. other players are freely quoted, but not our big late season pick-up.

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    Timbo from Canada Reply:

    @dahack11, You bring an excellent point!!
    Rich what’s with Penner, haven’t heard anything from him on the Insider since he got here? What’s up with that? I have never known you to back down from controversary?? Comments?

    Choralone Reply:

    @dahack11, Yes, it’s all a consipiracy, and Rich is at the center… Please.

    tacomakingsfan Reply:

    @Jeff,
    It is a big deal, a VERY BIG deal!! So what if he is gone next year? This just shows that it doesn’t matter how much you bust your ass you will always be in TM’s doghouse. Penner is not cutting it. He should be benched for someone who is actually doing something and not half-assing everything he does. Sure Poni, is not a scorer and does some stupid penalties but he does WORK. Look at Moller. He’s small but he has bigger “HUEVOS” than that of Penner. In all fairness to Penner, he is what he is, but as a COACH you have to be able to use all available angles to win and so far TM hasn’t done squat!

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    Kings x Reply:

    @tacomakingsfan, He’s going to have to earn his spot in training camp. Maybe Trevor lewis will put him in Manchester

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    Duckbasher Reply:

    @Jeff,

    Haven’t you been paying attention? This is the “REAL” Penner. Just ask anyone in Edmonton.

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  18. Puckn-A says:

    It is because disaponi won’t be here next season, Penner will and they are trying to motivate Penner to be a force once again so he at least has trade value next season. Remember it’s all about $$$ and not what the fans want.

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    Puckn-A Reply:

    @Puckn-A, he couldn’t score with Kopitar, Crosby, Malkin or Staal, and he plays soft most of the time, has hands of stone and took 87 games to figure out that he should maybe get in front of the net and screen the goalie.

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  19. Happy Lappy says:

    The Ducks must be laughing their asses off, first for not matching the contract offer from Edmonton and now watching Penner show his actual worth. Nice move DL.

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    Mike Reply:

    @Happy Lappy, Not sure the Ducks are doing too much laughing today, as they dropped one in overtime last night.

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    Scot Reply:

    @Happy Lappy,

    Hey, we were all calling for a DL statue the day he made the trade. We were in love with him. DL did bring in a former 30-goal scorer. Hard for me to blame him for Penner’s lack of effort.

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    Michael J. Reply:

    @Scot,

    Good take.

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    tacomakingsfan Reply:

    @Scot,
    Minus this guy… I thought the trade for Penner was in desparation for the Kovalchuck trade. Penner was known for his inconsistencies and the great ability to become a ghost. Why trade for something like that? Everyone knows that you will have injuries even to our star players. Why bring a guy like Penner. You either trade for someone who can if anything play his ass off when it comes to it or you don’t make a move at all even if everyone in LA is telling you you need to. By far this trade in my mind is a BUST but I know I will take flak for this because people will always say.. he is new to the system.. give him time… he’s not playing with Kopitar. To that I say… like what we say in the Army.. Excuses are like A-holes because everyone has them.. Just get the job done and stop crying.. Lol sorry I had to vent… Rant is over for now Lol.

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  20. EMB3 says:

    @Jeff, That’s just it. Who is the real Dustin Penner?

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    Duckbasher Reply:

    @EMB3,

    If you talk to Edmonton’s GM, he’ll tell you that the one we got is the same one he wanted rid of. In both cases… the REAL Penner.

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  21. Mike V. says:

    Just as I mention before, TM doesn’t like players from Russia. Poni is a better player than Penner (at this momemt) Look what he did to Frolov last year. And maybe because of TM we lost Fro and we did not get anyone this summer. So, DL promissed to make our team better but in reality this team is weaker than even last year team. TM shoud’ve send a message to Penner by sitting him out but instead he punnished Poni. Unbrlievable!!!!! We need a new coaches next year. TM and Kompon-get out!!!

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    Happy Lappy Reply:

    @Mike V., Makes for a great fit, DL keeps drafting Russians and TM keeps sending them down or benching them, gotta love the synergy there.

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    LBlocal Reply:

    Poni is not Russian.

    gKg!

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    Happy Lappy Reply:

    @LBlocal, Kiev in the Ukraine, same general area.I stand corrected.

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    Duckbasher Reply:

    @Happy Lappy,

    And he speaks Russian.

    dahack11 Reply:

    @Mike V., “We need a new coaches next year”

    Yes, but it’s not gonna happen. This first round playoff exit will be blamed on Kopitar being hurt. You can take that to the bank.

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    Kyle Reply:

    @Mike V., Too simplistic. Loktionov might disagree.

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    Mike V. Reply:

    @Kyle, I hope I’m wrong. I like Lokti and I hope he will be a King for a long time. But..for some reason Fro was the only one who got punished last year. Was he the only one who did not played well? Is Penner playing better than Poni right now?…Well….

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  22. In the Net says:

    I know they’d never say anything in public, but I would love to hear what hard-working players like Dustin Brown or Wayne Simmonds REALLY think about a move like this.

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    AARRRRGGGH Reply:

    @In the Net, DP is the polar opposite of Brownie on the ice.

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  23. Nyck says:

    With Penner not getting scratched AGAIN, that tells me everything I need to know about Terry Murray as a head coach. I’m sorry, but next year, it’s time to get him out of here, and his atrocious powerplay assistant. I think Terry Murray would make an excellent defense/PK coach, but he makes some really awful decisions sometimes, and he really lacks any passion.

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    puck73 Reply:

    @Nyck, I agree with this post totally. Hate ta say it because I like TM personally, but I cant defend him on keeping a lackluster Penner in the lineup. And for some of you who might be thinking that DL is forcing Murray’s hand, you are wrong. DL always lets the coach do what he is paid to do. At the end of the season, DL and Hextall will evaluate Murray and his staff, and if they are not pleased then they will drop him like a bad habbit !

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    Kingsfanone Reply:

    @puck73,

    Agree also. The problem, if indeed TM is benching Ponikarovsky cuz he won’t be back, then TM isn’t doing his job. His job is to simply win a hockey game. Penner is not only not scoring, his play causes goals against. Poni scored the last Kings goal, did he not? Sitting Poni & playing Penner is NOT giving your team the best chance of winning, which is TM’s job, correct? This type of thinking continues to be exhibited by TM.

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    Duckbasher Reply:

    @puck73,

    Maybe it’s time to write letters to Hextal and Lombardi? I for one WANT MURRAY GONE!

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  24. jsauce23 says:

    why the hell are we benchig poni!!

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    kluka68 Reply:

    @jsauce23, We don’t TM does

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  25. kingrussell says:

    If the Kings lose this should be Murray’s last game as coach.

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    Puckn-A Reply:

    @kingrussell, if they win it should be, he will only allow 2 way forwards and grinders on the team, no balance just Defense. I hate his 3 forward cycle behind the net, we don’t have the team speed to recover if there is a turnover. We do have the skill sets though to employ a more balanced system that would suit players individual talents which would be more natural and comfortable than turning every player into a 3rd liner.

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    EMB3 Reply:

    @kingrussell, I am not a TM hater, but this could be cause for termination.

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    puck73 Reply:

    @EMB3, I am with you on that thought.

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    wavesinair Reply:

    I’ve given Murray the benefit of the doubt for a long time. I like Terry Murray. I think he makes an excellent assistant coach. But I’ve come to the conclusion he isn’t getting the most out of his players and I think his shortcomings are becoming more and more obvious.

    He has shown throughout his coaching career that his teams do not do well in critical situations. He has reportedly blamed his players for choking instead of pointing the finger at himself for not having them prepared. I think LA, and especially this franchise, deserves a coach that can bring this team tot he next level.

    I wish Phil Jackson coached hockey: http://bit.ly/ictB0e

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    BringBackKingston Reply:

    @wavesinair,
    PJ is notorious for not taking timeouts when other coaches would. Maybe TM has been listening to him too much. :)

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    wavesinair Reply:

    @BringBackKingston,

    It’s a very interesting point. And the GIANT difference is that Jackson prepares his teams to deal with those situations, whereas Murray has no clue why his team implodes.

    Lakers (or Bulls) were super clutch teams.
    Murray’s Kings not so much.

    Kingsfanone Reply:

    @BringBackKingston,

    Actually the only difference that counts is Jackson wins Championships, how many has Murray got? How many does it even look like either will win?

    Tell me how many Championships Murray looks like his system will win.

    Since '67 Reply:

    @wavesinair, I wish we had the team favored to win the championship, like Phil Jackson had so many times, too.

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  26. Bobby Scribe says:

    Now, if someone could persuade Murray to healthy scratch himself. I imagine the Q&A with him, if he was truthful, would go something like this:

    Q: “Coach Murray, what led you to scratch Ponikarovsky and Moller and place Stoll, Penner and Westgarth on the same line?”

    A: “Darts”

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    RYC Reply:

    @Bobby Scribe, haha, classic!

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    LAK27 Reply:

    @Bobby Scribe, Hahaha, awesome!

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    LAHockeyGirl Reply:

    @Bobby Scribe, You’re right–scratch Murray. Why is he demoting Stoll to play with two lead weights? Just because he didn’t get all of his face-offs???

    TM is showing poor judgment. Even though Quick hasn’t been at fault…I’d give Bernier a chance. Why not? Give him some playoff experience…and the Kings are already at the end of their rope. I’d love to see them win, but its doubtful. Go Kings Go!

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    David Reply:

    @Bobby Scribe, BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA Classic

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  27. kluka68 says:

    Dude……

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  28. punkgothdoc says:

    All bad decisions.
    Penner needs to go!
    Moller needs to request a trade or head to Europe because the staff in LA is obviously not high on him.

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    KingsGuy Reply:

    @punkgothdoc, That’s becuase he sucks, lol

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    Duckbasher Reply:

    @KingsGuy,

    Moller will score 30+ every year after he leaves the Kings.

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  29. jpizzle313 says:

    wow poni has been a BEAST in this series!!!

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    Duckbasher Reply:

    @jpizzle313,

    I agree, he’s playing like he WANTS to win.

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  30. =/ Penner does not deserve to be in this game. Ughhhhhhhhhhhhh. He better prove himself tonight.

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  31. justlu says:

    I don’t understand the logic here. Tm talks about how Parse will help because his speed will help counter the Sharks speed yet when it comes down to choosing the 4th line he takes Penner over Poni, Poni is faster and gives more effort and then takes Westgarth over Moller. I think we all know who can outskate who in that battle. I understand that Moller appears much more comfortable in the C position but Moller gives the necessary effort and spark that the kings need. Westgarth has improved compared to his play earlier in the season but he still is very ineffective. Think about the fact that both Penner and Westgarth are defensive liabilities and you can guarantee that this line will be out there for the majority of the GA tonight.

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    bill donnelly Reply:

    @justlu, TM gets his mind set on certain things and just won’t change. He was convinced Ersberg couldn’t play in the NHL and overused Quick. He is convinced Moller can’t play so he sits. Tm believes Penner can play so he does, even though Penner has done next to nothing. Tm will stick with his system and the guys he thinks can play regardless of the results.

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    puck73 Reply:

    @bill donnelly, Very good analogies, great post !

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    Duckbasher Reply:

    @puck73,

    I agree.

    Kingsfanone Reply:

    @bill donnelly,

    Well said!

    And you can add Harry & Whisky and the names go on.

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  32. variable says:

    “sometimes a pony…sometimes a pony gets a rests…”

    best recording i could find online…sorry…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5hDqUq0K0s&feature=related

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  33. Garrett says:

    I’m a pretty positive guy when it comest to the Kings. I think for the most part, we’re on track. For me, next year is the year I draw the line in the sand. If we don’t have a good off-season and put one of the top 6 teams in the league on the ice next year, then I’ll get inline with those calling for DL’s head.

    Up to this point, I’m pretty happy with the development of our young (youngest in the league) roster. I think if we have Kopi, this series is very, very different. I know it shouldn’t hang all on one guy’s head, but the team we have this year really needs that one guy.

    Quick has been the best goalie we’ve seen in a Kings uniform, maybe ever. We have to remember where this team was two years ago. I liken it to those who think our economy is awful, remember 2 years ago?

    Humans forget too easily.

    With that said, this Penner move just makes no sense. He has been one of the worst players on the ice, with almost zero effort AND I’m a guy who liked the pick-up of Penner.

    I pray like hell the Kings pull this thing off, I do! But if we don’t, we’re still on track. It’s next year (and this off-season) that will make or break the Kings for the next 5 years. Penner’s not part of the long term plan, so there is no value in playing him tonight over Poni.

    Next year, if we’re in this position, DL’s head will need to roll and he knows that. Fire Kompon, maybe even TM.

    But this team has potential.

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    KingsFanFTW Reply:

    @Garrett, yup fire Kompon i agree on that

    we got two best goalies Bernier and Quick

    we got good players just one dead wieght and poni that been very good in this series TM wants him to sit BS move

    I hope Parse can score or make it happen

    i hope we make it to game 6

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    Happy Lappy Reply:

    @Garrett, I agree, I do understand the pressure that was on DL to get that LW before the deadline, the only problem I had with it, was all the rumors about his effort. If I knew then DL surely knew. I think if we had next year’s forwards ready to play Penner would not have been on his radar.

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    AARRRRGGGH Reply:

    @Garrett, Well said on all counts. I was(am?) really hoping to see the Kings make a deep playoff run this year to build off of last year’s success. A lot of promising talent in the pipeline. Quick has been outstanding and definitely carried the load. I also supported the Penner move and had high hopes of him bringing some scoring to the team. Penner has been simply infuriating though. He’s the exact opposite of our captain on the ice. Brownie going pedal to the metal all shift every shift and DP is on cruise control. Safe to say he doesn’t fit in with the team culture. You won’t find me bashing our players on here after making a mistake. Those things will happen (i.e. Martinez slipping and allowing Pavelski to get open for the game 1 OT goal) and you just try to minimize them. But a lack of effort (Penner coasting after Setoguchi for the game 3 OT goal), that’s downright inexcusable.

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  34. System Wins says:

    maybe Westy will get in a fight with Penner tonight

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    System Wins Reply:

    @System Wins, The amount of Westys playing time will depend probably upon how well Penner does.

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    Duckbasher Reply:

    @System Wins,

    I’d love it is they both connected at the same time and both knocked out of the game.

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  35. LAHockeyGirl says:

    Very surprising decision. Why is Poni out? Even tho he hasn’t scored much, he gives an effort. Penner barely shows any emotion at all. He is showing he doesn’t want to be here. But Poni has given the effort. Moller is a good skater and pesky, but granted, he gets knocked off the checks and puck, because he’s small. He’d be better used potentially on the PP, where he has more ice and skill. Poni has been on the PK, now what? I don’t fully get it. I was hoping Penner would be benched. Westie has played better in the playoffs…but that is because he isn’t skating around looking for a fight, but his minutes are reduced, as well. I think TM is showing fatigue, and flailing desperately for answers instead of seeing the obvious–Penner doesn’t deserve a space on the team…and why not try Bernier in goal? The Kings have nothing to lose. Give him some playoff experience before next season.

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  36. TG from HB says:

    Murray is an idiot, what else can I say.

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    Slim Reply:

    @TG from HB,
    TM has thrown in the towel..
    But don’t count our guys out..
    Depends how much this team really wants this..

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    Duckbasher Reply:

    @TG from HB,

    That’s an understatement.

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  37. EMB3 says:

    Now that that’s settled, let’s discuss the poor dicision of putting Stoll with Penner and Westy. I think it would be more effective to switch Stoll and Zues.

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    AARRRRGGGH Reply:

    @EMB3, I like it. Parse-Stollie-Williams has some scoring potential, and Penner could be mildly useful as a big body on a checking line.

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    Duckbasher Reply:

    @AARRRRGGGH,

    If he’s actually check. That guy peels away ALWAYS instead of hitting when he has the chance.

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  38. 4thliner says:

    I’ve been a TM fan boy for a while, but this is the first time I can honestly say WTF is he thinking? That is just stupid

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    Happy Lappy Reply:

    @4thliner, Dude you look like a 4th liner, can you get to Staples Center tonight and HIT somebody? lol

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    rumpa#19 Reply:

    @4thliner, And TM put DP & KW on your line!! Messed up dude.

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  39. Happy Lappy says:

    What makes this playoff so frustrating is how we played in the first 2 games. Granted we lost in OT but there was great effort (-Penner) and great forechecking, backchecking, defense and goaltending. Then can the end to end play, although exciting, not the King’s style but the Sharks style, then it went down hill from there. To me that points the finger directly at the coach, so long TM.

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    KingsGuy Reply:

    @Happy Lappy, Let’s hope we keep to our system and actually do something. You would have to wonder, as this has been a close series, if having Kopi would have made the difference getting us to the next round. Has been a pretty close battle for these two teams -

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  40. wavesinair says:

    Repost: I accidentally put this in a reply further up…

    I’ve given Murray the benefit of the doubt for a long time. I like Terry Murray. I think he makes an excellent assistant coach. But I’ve come to the conclusion he isn’t getting the most out of his players and I think his shortcomings are becoming more and more obvious.

    He has shown throughout his coaching career that his teams do not do well in critical situations. He has reportedly blamed his players for choking instead of pointing the finger at himself for not having them prepared. I think LA, and especially this franchise, deserves a coach that can bring this team tot he next level.

    I wish Phil Jackson coached hockey: http://bit.ly/ictB0e

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    Happy Lappy Reply:

    @wavesinair, amen to that!

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    Dominick Reply:

    @wavesinair,
    Great post. I think not only being prepared for games, but adapting shift to shift. When you start seeing large portions of the game being taken over, that’s because the coaching staff isn’t identifying the problem quick enough. To have the coach come out and say his players didn’t give the right effort afterwards is insulting.

    One thing that’s off topic, but I would like to say is, Phils offensive principles, and geneous with attacking triangles is almost universal for any team sport. Even Hockey.

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    jess Reply:

    @Dominick,

    Well said. Also, there is nothing worse than someone of average intelligence (TM) overating themself and then on top of that, being beyond self reproach (blaming the players and the fans) instead of taking responsibility for their own actions. Typical of this coach and hope we don’t have to put up with it for another season.

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    Duckbasher Reply:

    @jess,

    Maybe he’ll quit and move to West Hollywood with his golden childs Westgarth and Penner?

    Slim Reply:

    @Dominick, Not sure why…
    But it bothers me to just look at TM..

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    variable Reply:

    @wavesinair,

    i’ve said it a couple of times before…but i would have liked to see torts coach this team…

    without re-treading too much…

    i do think that d.l. will have to re-examine his coach upon season’s end – regardless if the series continues or not after tonight…and although i think t.m.’s job is safe, at least until the start of next season, d.l. should ask all the important questions that need to be asked…

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  41. jonsey says:

    Look Ponikarovsky was a massive failure this year. You have to go with the guy who at least has higher potential. That would be like benching Brown instead of Richardson. Yeah Richardson gives 110%, but Brown is the guy who is going to give you more bang in the end. Penner might get going on the 4th like he did before. What we really needed to do was put Penner on the last line after game one and leave him there.

    Sharks 3 Kings 1 (en goes to Clowe or Boyle)

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    Before99 Reply:

    @jonsey, Then why is westgarth in the lineup over Poni? Don’t understand this at all!

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    Duckbasher Reply:

    @jonsey,

    Last line? You mean the 5th line in the press box right?

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  42. DFW King says:

    Don’t forget we should still have sturm too if they didn’t make that bonehead waiver move. He’s playing well fir the caps. We could use him now! Complete mismanagement of this team!

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    jonsey Reply:

    @DFW King, Right move was to clear roster space for a trade and Sturm had the most salary. Now he had a point every other game, so maybe Harrold would have been a better choice, but he couldn’t have had so many trade options open then.

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    KingsFanFTW Reply:

    @DFW King, yea i know they replace a guy that will show up for a guy that no show

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  43. Tony says:

    I agree with Penner in. Moller instead of Westgarth would create a fourth line that can score. I will never understand why Westgarth plays?

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    Before99 Reply:

    @Tony, Talking sense man….. Talking sense!

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    Duckbasher Reply:

    @Tony,

    Murray likes the way he looks in uniform instead of street clothes.

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  44. stillkingly says:

    I am calling it, the Penner Debacle Line (PDL) will give up a goal in the first shift, then TM will move Penner to Cliffords spot, completely ruining that line as well. Parse will have a lot of jump, score two goals and assist williams on his GWG.

    Then he will scratch Parse, and move penner to the first line to lose at home in a 6-1 beating.

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  45. Sammuch says:

    Dum dum dum TM! Why? Poni plays his heart out, Penner please, I guss he does not want to make DL look bad for such a bad trade, because TM Does not know how to coach new players do to his system. Just like strum and Poni they been miss

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    Sammuch Reply:

    @Sammuch, Handled!!

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    Hat trick Reply:

    @Sammuch, Poni sure does but that doesn’t matter to Murray.

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  46. hockeykingsguy says:

    This decision has to do with both Poni and Moller not being on the team next year. Poni is gone and no one in their right mind would resign that bust. Moller, well Moller has had how many tries up with the big club? I can count 7-8… He will never work out, so who cares.

    Good luck tonight, hope the Kings get a win just to bring it home to the fans. So that they can make up that horrible showing in games 3-4. But I don’t expect much these days, cheers..

    I will be drunk hoping for Clifford, Simmonds, and Westgarth to scrap. I hope Clowe grows a pair and takes on Westie. I would love to see Simmonds destroy Nichol. Also I think Clifford has a beating to hand out to Mayers. That would be my perfect ending to this season.

    Go get em boys!

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    KingsGuy Reply:

    @hockeykingsguy, Agreed! If we are down and out I would at least like to see some shark blood before the end…

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    KingsGuy Reply:

    @KingsGuy, And BTW, Thank you for adding onto the “hockey” part of your name. LOL.

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    EMB3 Reply:

    @hockeykingsguy, I’d rather see Clfford and Simmonds score goals. Leave the scrapping to Westy.

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    Duckbasher Reply:

    @EMB3,

    Westy ? Fight? Ha! He’s a poser.

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    jonsey Reply:

    @hockeykingsguy, I’m already drinking. Hope Murray gets it from Brown. Hope Thornton gets it from Lewis. Hope Marelau gets it from Brown. Hope Clowe gets it from Doughty. Hope Handzus goes wild and fights. Hope Neimi and Quick fight.

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  47. AVES says:

    Quick deserves to be in net tonight. He played amazing in first period and kept us in the game. The goals aren’t his fault, the team is letting him down, not the other way around. Alec Martinez needs to not play tonight. How did him and jack Johnson get double shifted after they let up the first goal and then got scored on again on the 4-4. What was Terry Murray thinking double shifting the d that just let up the goal. Then in the third when Joe thorton scored his goal why the he’ll was alec around the face-off dot when Greene and richarson were behind the net. Martinez looks lost out there.

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    Michael J. Reply:

    @AVES,

    A-Mart has looked like a rookie out there this season. He will get better.

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    Michael J. Reply:

    @Michael J.

    I mean playoff season

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    puck73 Reply:

    @Michael J., Martinez a plus 11 this season. JJ aminus 21, and a minus 78 for his career with the Kings. Jack better get it together quickly because Muzzin, Voynov, Hickey, and Deslauriers are nipping at his heels.

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  48. KingFan79 says:

    Another dumb coaching decision… granted Poni has been playing well since, but, IMO, he’s been player better than Penner.. what does that say about Penner? TM, sometimes I just don’t understand your thought process. How ’bout changing coaches? TM took us as far as he could. I miss Barry Melrose!

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    Michael J. Reply:

    @KingFan79,

    Although I do not agree with nor understand a whole lot of what TD does as head coach I hardly believe that he has taken “us as far as he could.” Conversely, I think he has done very well with what he has to work with. The Kings are not laden with top end talent. Theis goaltending is very young. Their “top two” defensemen (#3 & #8) are both very young and still learning the game. Three rookies have played a major role on this team (Cliffy, Lewis, and Martinez), and two of their top-six forwards have seen thier better days clearly pass them by this season (94 & 26).

    At this point the Kings are not one of the top four in the conference based upon their personell-not their coach. This playoff series is where it is because of the players-their talent level AND their execution of the system employed to give them the best chance of winning with their present talent.

    Please, Melrose wore out his welcome here, wasn’t offered a job for 15 years, then didn’t last 15 games…

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    puck73 Reply:

    @KingFan79, Barry Melrose would have destroyed this team so quickly, and got rid of all our skill players. Ask Steve Stamkos what he thinks about Melrose !

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  49. Hat trick says:

    Good choice if you wanna throw the game.

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  50. KingsSB says:

    Penner must be so upset that he has to play tonight. I lucked out into a seat 10 rows from the ice for game 5 and watched his DPs body language and facial expressions all night. He looked like a zombie combined with someone with broken ribs. He better score some goals and play some D tonight.

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  51. KingFan79 says:

    *** correction: “granted Poni has NOT been playing well since…”

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  52. DY says:

    There would never be a reason in my mind to leave Westie in the lineup over Poni, but hopefully the coach proves me wrong and we get the W.

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  53. KingsSB says:

    Game 4 not 5, I’m a moron.

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  54. mike morbid says:

    poni doesn’t deserve to be benched, but penner does…. Poni actually came up from the 4th line when Penner was sucking ass in the 2nd game so this to me, its Penner’s last chance….

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    KingsGuy Reply:

    @mike morbid, We have Penner next season too. Poni is bye bye – Why upset your players that are for sure on the roster next season.

    As for Penners last chance, next season is his last chance. This dude needs to do some serious cardio in the off season to get his ass in shape. Go on the “Doughty Diet” or something!

    Unfortunate but true…

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  55. jonsey says:

    Do you think we could trade Penner this summer? Maybe Buffalo or CBJ or FLA wants him.

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    Duckbasher Reply:

    @jonsey,

    Yea, they said they’ll take him if we throw in Kopi and Bernier.

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  56. fromsec112 says:

    A coach who is still juggling lines — no, not juggling, but making guesses out of thin air — in the playoffs is not a coach I want for our team. I’ve followed all the major sports for years, as all you probably have too, and I’ve never seen a team where players get moved up down and all around from game to game all year long, like TM does with the Kings. Chemistry and consistency come from sticking with teammates on a line for long periods of time, not from worrying about playing “poorly” two games in a row and not knowing where you’ll end up. Don’t blame the players for inconsistency. The coach has made inconsistency the foundation of the entire team. He says stick with a system on the ice. Ironic, isn’t it?

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    jess Reply:

    @fromsec112, Agreed.

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  57. KingsFanFTW says:

    well this is the last shot for every Kings player into next seaosn lets see what our tema made of

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  58. SaveByCechmanek says:

    So lets see… You bench a guy who works hard and contributes and keep another who has produced absolutely squat. Then you insert a guy who hasn’t played all season on the top line? Sounds like a plan. I know they have nothing to lose at this point but talk about giving yourself chances….

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    FdoFmFull Reply:

    @SaveByCechmanek, Oh, and by the way, since it’s being treated as the “last game” anyways, it’d be a perfect opportunity to reward your second goalie for a terrific year in which he had to adapt to playing every once in a blue moon after growing up as the starter everywhere he’d ever been. After a slow start, Bernier adjusted to this extremelly difficult role and outplayed JQ in the last third of the season. What does he get for his efforts? Not a start in a game that the coach has all but thrown the towel in on by bringing in Parse, keeping Penner and Westgarth in and sitting Poni and Moller.

    If the Sharks blow out the Kings today, it’ll be a slap in the face to Bernier if he’s asked to mop up.

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  59. Phillip says:

    Sorry to see Poni sitting out…made things happen on a number of his shifts. As for Penner..well its been a disaster, but he’s under a big contract for next year and you dont want this guy sulking all the way to training camp next season. Its not like Moller or Poni have “lite it up” this season either.

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    Duckbasher Reply:

    @Phillip,

    It’s hard to score from the bench or the corners.

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  60. luthco1 says:

    hey TM….YOU SUCK!!!!!!!

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  61. CamKingfan says:

    Once again TM’s decisions make NO sense! They seem crazy and get away from a clear issue: SJ has played us like a fiddle since Game 2. They know HOW to knock us off our game, get under the skin of our guys… It’s not an issue of lines even personel. (Although keeping Penner in there is insane!)

    It’s a matter if coaching. We are being out-coached, plain & simple. SJ has a good coach, we have a bad one.

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  62. Minnesota Kings Fan says:

    Jeez! Put away the torches and pitchforks. TM is not a bad coach no matter how much some of you scream and wail. The Kings are a young team on a learning curve, and a teaching, patient coach is what they need during this process. A svreaming, yelling jerk of a coach might make YOU happy, but it would crush the teams’ spirit and we’d get the losing team we deserve rather than one that has shown growth every year since TM arrived. You learn a lot of lessons the hard way in the NHL, and the Kings are doing that. This team will be better because of it. Maybe tonight, or maybe next season, but it will happen. Mark that!

    GKG!!!!!!

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    Michael J. Reply:

    @Minnesota Kings Fan,

    Good points. I mentioned above that the situation right now has a lot more to do with personell and execution than it does coaching.

    One thing that many here forget is that when the PLAYERS play the system for a full 60 minutes they are rarely out of a game. As much as I love the Kings players, it is upon their shoulders whether they win or lose on a given night. The coaching can make some difference (See penner vs. Poni, when to call a timeout, etc), but had the PLAYERS stick to the system, play their game, and done as the coach has coached them all season long they win game 3 and the world is a little brighter today.

    TM might not be the best, but this all lies on the players.

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  63. Chaz says:

    If this is TM’s doing yet again, Poni being benched and playing Westie instead, I have officially thrown in the towel with TM. This off-season we need a coach and a scorer. Period.

    TM – you have NEVER outcoached the opposing team’s coach this season. Do us a favor and bow out, gracefully.

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    Beast88 Reply:

    @Chaz, I’m with you.

    Absolutely mystifying decision.

    I’m kind of done with Murray. I almost think we’ve been making the playoffs in spite of him.

    Also: hope Moller finds a new home next year. Lindy Ruff would have this guy as a 20-goal, 50-point player by now.

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    Duckbasher Reply:

    @Beast88,

    You are 100% correct.

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  64. Before99 says:

    Poni should be playing……
    Penner should be playing….
    Moller should be playing….
    Westgarth should be spectating…
    Parse should be spectating….

    Just sayin:)

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    Duckbasher Reply:

    @Before99,

    Wish you were our coach.

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  65. zdfun says:

    So Poni has played his last game as a King! Good luck!

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  66. king1jason says:

    That solves it!TM has ALZEIMERS!

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  67. ziggy99 says:

    penner is being played under a wrong system. it needs to be an offensive attack system where he is in front of the net, not having to run around and play defense. tm’s system is making everyone play defense, you can see how everyone’s points are down, thus limiting offensive rushes and scoring. as seen in game third, first period , take it to them and score. 4 goal lead after one period. second and third periods play protect the lead defense and lose. thus proving a team can’t score if they have to play defense. system is wrong , kings need a new coach wiht an offensive system

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    7holesniper Reply:

    @ziggy99, you might want to know that in the second and third period of that game they didnt play protect the lead defense, they played run and gun offensive hockey and we lost. kings have very few good skilled offensive players. we get goals off of luck and hardwork. our team wouldnt be in the playoffs if we didnt play defense.

    i agree penner needs to play an offensive system, but its not so much the defensive system thats killing the team is the lack of execution. how many lost faceoffs in the series? how many bad outlet/breakout passes from the defense? how many open nets where shots go high or wide? youve got to see that this is the second consecutive 46 win season with murray. we’re getting there the kings are a team with a lot of potential, but they need to execute. a good system is in place, forecheck is fine, highman is fine, we dont execute on passes, shots, or faceoffs to compliment it.

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  68. 7holesniper says:

    why isnt lewis playing the wing on the 4th line? he isnt winning draws, he’s got speed. he can make plays on the forcheck. if he looks like a winger he might be a winger. he can still center the PK but i mean come on.. hes got left wing stamped on his forehead.

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  69. kfan says:

    Why not?.. It’s all or nothing,win or go home,might create more offense on all 4 lines…GO KINGS GO!!!

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    Munchrat Reply:

    @kfan, HELLO! In case anyone missed it, we have not struggled offensively in this series. Why do we need more O? We certainly will not win a run and gun game agaibst the Guppies.

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  70. KingsOfComedy says:

    For the love of Westgarth! Why is he playing? Murray and Wstgarth should join HARDY in never never land

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  71. Munchrat says:

    Porno has not done squat in this series. He should sit.
    What I would have done, however, is to play the exact same lineup that shut the guppies out. Yes, I know that means that Stoll would have to sit. And he should. Like Porno, Stoll has not done squat in this series.Moller played with speed and enthusiasm. This kept the sharks off balance and gave us an edge that we do not have with the all grinding team.
    I sure hope we are not golfing tomorrow.

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  72. Kings x says:

    Let’s take them to OT and beat them in the SO

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  73. egold44 says:

    Scratching Poni instead of West in G5? Hope DL has got a few words and a short leash for TM… (personnel/scratches and line combos is TM’s weakness regardless of IR list)

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