After today’s morning skate, Dustin Penner peeled the tape off his shin pads, rolled it into a large ball and, as hockey players are wont to do, aimed for the nearest trash can a few feet away. Penner’s shot deflected off a nearby shelf into into the net/receptacle. “Finally got a break,” Penner said with a grin. So, Penner was able to maintain a sense of humor, even though he knew why reporters were hovering around his locker. Penner spoke before Terry Murray announced the Kings’ lineup for Game 5, so when asked if he was playing tonight, Penner could only offer a shrug and an, “I think so.” Here’s what Penner said about being dropped to the fourth line, his recent struggles and the Kings’ chances in the series…
PENNER: “I think everybody is frustrated. … I think I’m over-thinking a lot, with a new team. Just not going out there and playing the game that got me where I am.”
Question: Is the Kings’ system that much different than what you were used to?
PENNER: “Maybe. I don’t know. It’s tough to say. I think it’s a different defensive scheme. We’re a younger team — not by much — but in Edmonton it’s just a different style of play. But that’s not an excuse.”
Question: What has to change in order for the team to get things turned around?
PENNER: “I think we’ve got to get down the goals against. Twelve in two games isn’t going to win you a lot of games, let alone series. Our special teams has been pretty good, especially our PK. If that keeps going, and we keep them off the score sheet, I think we have a pretty good chance.”
Rich, this is uncharted territory but I was wondering if you could give an unbias professional opinion on the effort or lack of, from Dustin Penner at team practices or morning skates.
Thanks
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Minnesota Kings Fan Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 3:45 pm
@408kingsfan,
I think asking Rich to do that makes him a scout and not a journalist. I suspect Rich will maintain his journalistic integrity and decline your request.
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rontheking Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:17 pm
@408kingsfan,
I’d rather see Poni than Penner…Poni makes the Sharks pay attention and keep their heads up.
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Ian Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 6:07 pm
@rontheking, Couldn’t agree more. Poni is a part of this team. Penner is not. Simple as that.
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DaveinSD Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 6:55 pm
@rontheking, i cannot agree more too. Poni is playing better than a few forwards on the team besides Penner (ex. Simmonds, Westgarth, Lewis) I expected Trevor to step up but it has not happened. Just do not understand why you bench Poni instead of Penner.
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maybe he’s just not…how should i say this…astute…(?)…getting it…(?)…bright…(?)
maybe that’s a bit crass…
hey, penns, buddy…
LOOK IN THE MIRROR…AND LOOK AT YRSELF…THERE’S YR ANSWER…(!)
free yr puck…and yr stick will follow…
geeez….
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number 6 Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 3:27 pm
@variable,
ha ha ha
see how we can make these points and do it rather nicely….
that’s like in hockey, you can play on the edge or go over it…..
well done…… you definitely don’t go over it……….
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Kingsfanone Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:46 pm
@variable,
Very well said. And you’re correct too. Anybody got a mirror for Penns?
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Well, for all the criticism that I’ve given him thus far, he still wears the Crownshirt and as such, I wish him the best tonight.
GO KINGS GO!!!
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Pili Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 3:37 pm
@Mike, Amen. If we can’t root for the Kings, wait ’till next year!
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40 year fan Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 3:39 pm
@Mike, Thnks for one of the few positives in three games. As much as I love Rich’s informative blog,
I truly do get sick of all the Murray bashing that goes on here after
every loss. Let’s tell it like it is:
San Jose is way more skilled than we are. The only way we had/have
a chance to win this series us to do everything exactly correctly and
the way it was taught by Murray.
Skilled players like Penner who come in here have to rethink their
way if playing completely and that takes time. Granted Penner
comes here with a rep of being off and on with his effort but
truthfully….between a guy who had scored over 20 goals this season
before joining the Kings and one who has scored +/- 6 all season,
Who should play tonight?
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Michael J. Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 3:47 pm
@40 year fan,
Not only is SJ more skilled than the Kings, they are playing as their coach has instructed them to play. I think that comes with maturity.
If the Kings play within themselves and stick to the system they have a chance to win. When the Kings get away from the system and try to do too much they give up very easy goals.
Regardless, I will be cheering for my favorite team tonight, and if they should lose I will be as disappointed as many here.
Go Kings Go!
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Mike Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 3:56 pm
@40 year fan, 40 years a fan? I’ve been a fan for 44 seasons now (not trying to play “one upsmanship with you – sorry).
We’ve waited a long, long time for our team to be competing for the Stanley Cup (longer than we should have, but that’s another discussion altogether). If the Kings don’t win tonight, I’ll be disappointed, but there always is next year. I’ve waited 44 seasons for them to raise the Cup. I can wait a few more. Its kind of like how many times do you let your young children attempt to walk before you give up on them? The answer is, of course: “until they succeed.” Same goes for me and the Kings winning the Cup.
GO KINGS GO!!!
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Mike Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 3:57 pm
@Mike, LOL! I’m a Kings fan and its terminal!
Kings x Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 5:30 pm
@Mike, I just hope they raise the cup before I die. That should give them enough time. GKG
Cusredcurvedstick Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:00 pm
@40 year fan,
I respectfully disagree and believe Murray deserves the criticism for his game management. He may be a good teacher of young players but I don’t see him as a good in game strategist. He does too many line changes and should have called a time out in the second period of game three to stop the comeback momentum. The players have matureed, they need a coach that can take them to the next level of play.
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Gayle Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:12 pm
@Cusredcurvedstick, Murray and the entire team needed to be criticized. Any time you squander leads and make mistakes after mistakes, its not acceptable.
Michael J. Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:17 pm
@Cusredcurvedstick,
Please define what you mean by “take them to the next level”? What precisely will the next coach do differently from what Murray is doing to get them to this “next level”?
Dominick Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:18 pm
@40 year fan,
I agree with you on Penner. San Jose is also healthy, and we’re not. They had a better season, and consistantly stayed near the top all season long. That being said the criticism that TM is getting is fair, considering the controversial choices he’s made, and the lack of adjustments to create offense on the power play, or 5 on 5. The incredible dips in consistancy that see us invincible one day and punching bags the next.
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Player-X Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:25 pm
@40 year fan, well said, reasonable and correct. Murray has brought this team from the bottom of the league to the playoffs, and we can now contend with any team. Consistency will come with age, but the direction is OBVIOUSLY good.
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wavesinair Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:38 pm
@Player-X,
Hey buddy!
The directions is better than good, it’s great.
IMO the age of the team is no longer a consideration. They are old enough to learn what it means to deal with high pressure. It’s not like they BARELY came up short. They went from a game to shutout to 6 goals each in 2 games.
It’s not just inconsistency, it’s an total failure to deal with those situation. And most importantly, it’s gotten WORSE this year.
The question for me is: Can TM teach this team to overcome adversity. I’ve come to the conclusion that he can’t.
Player-X Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:45 pm
@Player-X, Wassup waves, my man. I understand the concern about Murray, but was it not significant adversity having Kopi out and losing Stoll? It’s the streaky Kings, man, it’s just age and inexperience. Yes, some of them have been in the league a few years now, (DB, DD) but even the oldest of the core are only in the 24 range. This team is gonna be super tough next year and afterward, and right now we just don’t know which team is gonna show up. Don’t let the peaks and valleys diminish the excellence they are capable of and have demonstrated, including the coach.
PaulHB Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:49 pm
@40 year fan, I don`t agree that the Sharks are more skilled then the Kings. What the Kings lack in offensive skill they more then make up for in defensive skill. The reason the Kings are behind in the series is because that defense has underachieved. If the Kings start playing to the defensive level we all know they`re capable of they can still win the series.
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mcsorleyfan Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 6:08 pm
@40 year fan, I respect your opinion here, but the issue I have with TM is that in these last two losses he has failed to get them to do what he needs them to. The team is arguably one of the strongest shut-down teams during the season. When playing well the team can shut down the best of them. When not playing well they can hand back a 4 goal lead. Murray’s system, by the results we’ve seen, could have them up a game or two, instead of on the verge of elimination. They have the tools. At this point his leadership seems ineffective. If they’ve tuned him out, it is time for a change. The time to show where we are with it is now.
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TiredOfIt Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 7:28 pm
@40 year fan, You are right but lets look at another issue that always haunts this team. Ex-players. Look how many ex-players of this time are thriving on other teams. Halpern scores the game tying goal for Mtl tonight? Blake for the Ducks? Visnovsky is the leading scoring defenseman? Brian Boyle? Matt Moulson? The list goes on and on. Also “good” players come to this team and choke. Penner, Roenick, etc etc etc. System? Geography?
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Dude, you don’t know if the system is different than what your used to. I try not to call people names but there is a village out there missing the hell out of you.
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deadcatbounce Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 3:53 pm
@pitty, I noticed that comment, too. Whatever…
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BobKnob Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:10 pm
@pitty,
It sounds to me like he’s just trying to not to say anything negative about the system or not come across as criticizing the system, so he basically gives a non-answer. imo
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darrin Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:10 pm
@pitty, haha!
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I’m running out of patience with Penner. He doesn’t know if the style of play is different in Edmonton?! Come on! How do you not know?! Lame excuse. I wish he would just play a great game, the whole ENTIRE game great! Score a goal, a couple of goals would be even better! We need you now more than ever! Please step it up! When they announced this name the other night in the starting line, the crowd barely cheered, felt bad for the guy, but you can’t blame us! Show us something..anything..PLEASE!
Come on guys…I’m not ready for our season to be over yet! GO KINGS GO!
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Pili Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 3:54 pm
@Laura, I’m not ready either. We can do this!
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Mike Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:02 pm
@Laura, Score a couple of goals and get into a scrap with one of the Sharks “to give them pause.”
If that happens and the Kings win, game 6 will be very interesting indeed!
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ocKINGhb Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:07 pm
@Laura,
You know its strange because he was all over the ice when he first got here, then when kopi went down then nothin, he had a great assist but he is capable of much more, he is a big body and he should park himself in front of neimi the entire game and distract him. I hope he breaks out tonight and maybe with parse in there we may see a jolt to the offense. it doesnt end tonight.
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I feel the Murray is the embodiment of the definition of insanity. just end it already.
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sciencejock Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 6:34 pm
@C leb, No offense, but I’m pretty sure Terry Murray knows the game of hockey better than you.
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Overthinking…riiiiiiight. That’s been the problem. All that hard core thinking during each shift.
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Minnesota Kings Fan Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 3:51 pm
@Bobby Scribe,
If you play the game (do you?), you know that over-thinking leads to mistakes – usually big ones. This is true at any level of play. In hockey, anyway, playing on instinct and training and not over-thinking the game is the only way to succeed. I believe him, as his play looks like that’s what he’s doing. He’s come from an offense-oriented team to a defense-oriented one. A HUGE change, and he hasn’t adapted, unfortunately. Maybe tonight?
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BobKnob Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:17 pm
@Minnesota Kings Fan,
I agree, but he still looks unbelievably out of shape.
In all likelihood, we’re going to get the same old DP. He has no pep in his step or glide in his stride. He can’t beat anyone to the puck, and can’t hang out there very long before being dog-tired. These sorts of issues don’t seem to end abruptly.
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Kings x Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 5:33 pm
@BobKnob, I think he’s been suffering from an undisclosed upper body injury the whole time…….lack of heart
Daren Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:21 pm
@Minnesota Kings Fan, People are getting away from his real short coming. How can you defend his lack of EFFORT? Also, do you think Gretzky used to play the game without using his noodle? If you play the game (do you?) you should know that it takes using your brain to be in the right spot at the right time. Over thinking will get you to miss the one timer, make a bad pass on a two-on-one, or over compensate when you are in the net. It has no effect on EFFORT! Thank you. Go Kings Go.
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AARRRRGGGH Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 6:08 pm
@Daren, THANK YOU DAREN! We’re not picking on his mistakes, we’re bashing his effort and hustle on the ice. Pretty sure you can hustle in any system and that would be looked upon highly. And no, I don’t actually play hockey, but hopefully my qualifications as a human being are sufficent to allow me to criticize someone’s effort level.
Just win! Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:24 pm
@Minnesota Kings Fan, I agree wholeheartedly with your comment…honestly people, the bashing of any of our team-both on blogs and at the games-is getting REALLY old. Penner is just one player out there. Yea, we’re all frustrated–very frustrated, but save the bitterness for the Lakers and support your team!
Go Kings Go!!!
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wavesinair Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:26 pm
@Minnesota Kings Fan,
So true. Just did a piece on over thinking and it can ruin a player. And the mere act of talking about it can cause problems too.
Here’s that piece for ya http://deepinsidethekings.com/2011/04/i-think-therefore-i-lose/
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Bobby Scribe Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:36 pm
@Minnesota Kings Fan, Played the game for a lot of years. Pretty sure overthinking is not what causes him to skate off the ice exhausted after 20 seconds and stand still while the play passes him by.
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Player-X Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:27 pm
@Bobby Scribe, Bobby, is there anything positive in your thinking about this year? Seriously, has anything good happened, or is it all just “not enough?” All due respect, I am really just asking you, flat out.
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Bobby Scribe Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 5:17 pm
@Player-X, How weird. I responded to this comment and it is gone. Let’s try again. I thought your question was a bit silly. I have found many positives. The only thing I have been critical of this season has been the head coaching and powerplay coaching. There have been little things (Doughty’s start) that left me scratching my head but I believe the players have played their butts off for Murray to play his system, even through futility.
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Player-X Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 5:32 pm
@Bobby Scribe, cool, I just hadn’t read much from you that was about the good things…thanks for the response.
GreyPaws Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 6:18 pm
@Bobby Scribe,
Futility yielded back to back playoff appearances by a team that missed seven straight.
mcsorleyfan Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 6:29 pm
@Bobby Scribe, he may get you better if he saw what you write on your own sight…
If skating full stride all the time is a different system than Edmonton, then I guess you got me there Pens. Judging by how fast and exciting Edmonton can be to watch, I’m thining NO.
Since you’re not so sure about the defensive side of things (100% right there), how about just focusing on what you were brought here to do…
SCORE FRIKKIN GOALS!
If you’re not sure about that, then excuse yourself and let Poni play.
Geez….really?
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Minnesota Kings Fan Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:02 pm
@Cynic,
The slow skating is sign #1 that he’s over-thinking. You think slowing down will give you time to figure out what to do, but you end up left in the dust. He knows that, but it still happens. Ever knew you shouldn’t do something right before you did it? So does he.
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AARRRRGGGH Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 6:15 pm
@Minnesota Kings Fan, So he was overthinking when he stopped moving his feet and Setoguchi was pulling away to score the OT winner in game 3? Compare his effort to Martinez putting his head down and charging after Pavelski in game 1.
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Kings x Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 5:35 pm
@Cynic, If Penner ever read anything on this blog his confidence would be permanenty shattered.
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Cynic Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 7:27 pm
@Kings x, You mean it’s not already????
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Can the coach run different systems based on the lines…Penner strength is in front of the net and not grinding.You dont score 30 goals a year with being lazy.Poni was the same( i say was cause you wont see him play as a King anymore)Poni didnt all of a sudden stop knowing how to score…this system didnt work for him.So how about a little different offensive system when Penner or any other non/grinder is in the game?
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Kenny44 Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 6:19 pm
@neil, How bout no. Ya just don’t get it, do ya Neil?
Not a shot at you, it’s just that TM reminds me of Dr. Evil. He’s not going to change the way he does things, no matter how many times Austin Powers escapes and foils him. TM “knows” that The system works. All players can and must play the one right way. The system is great for winning most of your games in a season, because it’s good defensively responsible hockey. But it’s simple and predictable and in playoff series, tendencies are exploited.
The one thing that stood out most about the Kings’ Cup run in 93 was the variety on attack. They had 4 very diverse lines that all went after the opponents in different ways.
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This guy just doesn’t get it. From what I hear from, how should I put this, some of his ex-teammates that a family member knows, Penner is one of those problem players. And his ego is bigger than anyone’s.(DL should have known this) Hope he turns it around for tonight. If not then please buy him out.
In any event, let’s all just start putting out some positive vibes and get our boys a win. I’m done criticizing for today.
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Player-X Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:29 pm
@Kris, plus my cousin has a friend who knows some people that heard from their cleaning lady who said her psychic told her that Penner wanted to go somewhere, that his girlfriend was having lunch with someone and that Penner once said he wanted rest for a minute.
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What a bunch of crap. No matter what line Penner plays on zero effort still equals zero effort. He just doesn’t care & that is the problem. Why the heck even give him an oppertunity to play. He doesn’t deserve it & certaninly hasn’t earned it. Where is TM’s head?He must have lost it.
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Penner needs to open ice up for himself, he does that his skill and execution will take over. lets go K’s!
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Somebody better score from the slot tonight. Tired of our shots coming from everywhere else.
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mckinggolf Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:00 pm
@Mikey J., I agree. I’m so tired of watching them move up the boards and never try to curl into the slot. If they would just try we would get a good scoring chance. IMHO. Go Kings Go!
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As disappointed as I am with Penner’s production, I think his biggest problem, on offense at least, is that there’s no one to pass to him. I’ve seen him drive the net several times, ready to receive a pass and knock it in, and the puck just doesn’t come. Usually, there’s not even a decent shot on net that he might rebound.
Worst example was game 3, when we’re up 4-2 still. Center drive, stick on ice, Richie with the puck on LW, lane open, and he just doesn’t pass it. Instead, he goes behind the net.
The guy is a finisher, but he needs a STARTER!
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Happy Lappy Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:22 pm
@sd, I watched that play and was wondering when he would get it to him, never did. Maybe the others playing with him don’t want to reward him because of his lack of effort. You have to make that pass, I agree.
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Player-X Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:32 pm
@sd, good point, Penner likes quick little passes, slower cycles in the O-zone but quick puck movement, like the little 10-15 footers that Smyth and Williams do. Kopi and he had that, but nobody else is synched up with Penner yet.
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The best hockey that I saw Dustin Penner play in Edmonton came when he utilized these three concepts:
1.) K.I.S.S. – Keep It Simple Stupid
2.) Keep your legs moving
3.) Shoot the puck
Aside from keep your head up, these are concepts taught to children when they first begin playing hockey.
As frustrating as it is for us as fans to see Penner forgot all three of these concepts, I’m sure it’s ten times as frustrating for his teammates and the coaching staff. Yet they showed some faith in him and put him in for Game 5. I guess tonight is when we really find out what #25 is made of.
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On another note, had Stamkos gotten all eight of those TB goals today, he would’ve only been one goal short of an Ovechtrick…. 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, (I love that little puppet in the commercial). Hey, I’m just trying to keep things light.
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Player-X Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:33 pm
@number 6, Have you notice that it’s Jon Quick in goal for that commercial? Same thing on the flyers undefeated season/beard commercial, one of the most prominent goalies shown is Quick…
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number 6 Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:43 pm
@Player-X,
Yeah, wasn’t sure but thought so. Quickie’s famous. I assume he gets royalties then?
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Player-X Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:47 pm
@number 6, lol, he should, but I just don’t like the subliminal idea that the Kings are losers…
variable Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 5:13 pm
@number 6,
i find myself hearing that “ovechtrick…ovechtrick…ovechtrick…” chant in my head everyday since…(lol)…
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Kingsfanone Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 5:19 pm
@variable,
The funny thing is that with the system change, Ovi won’t ever get a Ovechtrick!
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I figured out that I’m an idiot. I fianlly threw my previously (before Thursday night) undefeated black shield shirt in the laundry. I figured out that the shirt doesn’t matter, nor does this beard that my wife hates and has caused me unending ribbing at work. Yet, I don’t shave. Go Kings Go.
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Cortex949 Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:10 pm
@Pili, Hahah that’s good. I haven’t shaved either and I look like grizzly Adams. Also I brought out my old kings puck that I got hit with at the forum and put it under my pillow last night (100% serious) so we should be ok for tonight.
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Kings x Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 5:37 pm
@Cortex949, Way to look out for the team. We need all the help we can get
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Penner staying in lineup? Well it was fun while it lasted, looks like you can start making your Tee-times boys….
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Mikey J. Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 3:58 pm
@King without a crown, The Land without a King – Percival in Excalibur
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Mikey J. Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:10 pm
@Mikey J., I mean Lancelot. Come on Penner light up Jumbo Joe if you get a chance.
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Pffft. Whatever. Just fricken move your feet ffs. Seems the other time he skates is when its time to leave the ice.
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KC23 Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 3:57 pm
@KC23, “only time he skates”*
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Gretz98 Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:04 pm
@KC23,
From what he’s shown us, Penner looks like the guy in pick-up hockey who wants to play 5 minute shifts without exerting himself.
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One thing I think we can agree on is that Penner is not the same player he was when he scored 30+ goals last year. Look at any of the highlight compilation videos on youtube of him scoring goals: the man was an absolutely beast crashing the net. Now he’s all of sudden playing soft and lazy for, what, 20 games in row? If it was a few games here and there, but with production otherwise, then I think it plays into the bias against him that he dogs it or doesn’t always bring it every night (a charge that has followed him for a few years). But this is a loooong stretch, with sustained criticism from fans, broadcasters, coaching staff, and likely his own teammates. So either he a) doesn’t give a damn and isn’t trying or b) there is something else at work. Although it might certainly be A, I just don’t buy it (I do buy that he has been known to take games off, and be a poor teammate, etc., however). Thus we have option B, which could be 1) conditioning – guy is not in shape/tired at the end of the season, amplified by the fact he is a big physical guy known to be a weak skater; 2) he’s injured in some way (i.e., broken rib) and is just sucking it up; 3) the system is too complex for him and he doesn’t know what he’s doing; or 4) some other thing, possibly off-ice issue (e.g., I really don’t think he wanted to leave Edmonton – even in his quote he’s still speaking in the present not past tense when it comes to the Oilers). All things being equal, his past history would seem to suggest conditioning/injury combined with learning a new system, with emphasis on the former given that, even if the system was over his head, he could still appear to be TRYING to play hard. Otherwise, it means he just doesn’t care, which is increasingly hard to believe.
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Michael J. Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:21 pm
@ziggy,
I was wondering about a rib or something like that myself. I remember after the end of the 92 playoff loss to Vancouver the Kings announced that Gretz had injured his ribs, essentially explaining why he hadn’t been playing up to par.
if the Kings lose tonight I would not be surprised to see something like that released.
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Kingsfanone Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 5:01 pm
@Michael J.,
The only ribs Penns is holding has BBQ sauce on it.
Just sayin’
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Michael J. Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 6:02 pm
@Kingsfanone,
and a side of mashed???
Kenny44 Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 7:12 pm
@ziggy, Well, if it’s an unreported injury, it must have happened at the same time Kopi got hurt. The first couple of games he was playing like Penner. I remember when people started questioning his effort, wondering what happened to the guy who looked so good the first game. I made a snarky comment that it was because the Kings had two off days to practice and he got acclimated very quickly.
He may be showing the prima donna to TM. Slow it down, huh, OK coach.
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I’m totally in agreement with his lackluster effort and eeore/deer in the headlights look he’s given us since being acquired. However, he does give us a glimpse of truth when he just about says that the system is handcuffing players (that’s what I read between the lines). That would explain former players who sucked here and had great success elsewhere.
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i feel bad for teh guy but im a kings fan 1st and Penner was to fault on game one and game three’s overtime goals watch the replays like i did he doesnt understand teh defensive part of the game or hes just a lazy female dog! I think Sturm was just as good as Penner aka if Penner is like this in the offseason i wounldnt be sur[pised to see him get bought out. He has way tooo much skill to play teh way he does.Maybe we should drug test him cause the guy is talented no question look at teh assist he gave in game 3 or 4 but comon already enough is enough!! If he doesnt score hustle back and play d and quit being lazy this is the PLAYOFFS!!! I am embarrished after game 4, I wanted to walk out with all the other fair weather LA fans. comon Penner and comon Kings!!! dont be the 1st to be eliamated
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He’s had 18 games and 2 months to figure out the system and he still can’t answer whether or not the new system is any diffrent than the one in edmonton. And somehow TM still puts him in the lineup. Both DP and TM are clueless.
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Shoot from anywhere! James Neal did on OT. Thats only 2 goals from him since the trade deadline.
Kings dont go to the slot as much as they should. When they do they score. Our defense starts playign cowardly and backs in too far!
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Yeah Jered Smithson ex KING scores game winner for Predators! What is our scouting and player development doing?
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number 6 Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:19 pm
@KingsOfComedy,
He is?
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number 6 Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:23 pm
@KingsOfComedy,
Dude, come on. Matt Moulson, ok agreed. Smitihson has scored a total of 18 regular season goals over three seasons. We need someone who can score 28-35 in One season.
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Michael J. Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:32 pm
@number 6,
Do you think Edmonton fans bitch every time Greener has three hits in a game, or when Stoll wins it in a shootout?
Does ever other team’s fans moan that they didn’t draft Quick in the second round?
I guess complainers will always find something to complain about.
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Michael J. Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:27 pm
@KingsOfComedy,
They’ve been releasing players that average 13 points a year over the past six years.
Smithson is not ever average.
If you want to criticize please do it in a credible manner.
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Penner has been a household curse and swear word this week. If he does not produce, the Kings need to give him his release. The honeymoon should be over with this guy!
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Steven Jaime Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 5:51 pm
@Gayle, I cannot say I disagree with you. I doubt it will happen. We paid a pretty high price to get him. I doubt DL will want to eat that much crow. I think the Kings will stick by him and hope he shows that he was worth part of our future. I guess the most idea situation would be to hope he does well enough to warrant resigning him. Either that or well enough to unload at next years trade deadline. Especially if we have some young prospect that is ready to step up.
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Before game 4 I noted that, at that time, the Kings had only a couple of really poorly-played periods to their discredit. In the other periods, they had been playing as well or better that San Jose. I am going to stand by the statement I made back then, that these Kopitar-less Kings can beat anyone, any time. The caveat? They need to play their game, simple as that.
When they’re ahead they get too loose, and when they’re behind, they get too tight. As Scuderi pointed out at one point, it’s immaturity for the most part.
The team that played the last four games can beat the Sharks and take this series, but they need to stay on the page. Also, “that team” included Penner and Poni, and at one point Moller, and didn’t include Parse and–at one point–Stoll. Not to say that subtractions or additions will make a difference or not… just an observation.
Everything has lived or died on the defensive play of the team. If our three young defensemen can keep it together along with the older and wiser ones, and if the forwards can play their defensive games as well, we can do it.
All that said, sure wish Moller was in and Penner was out; barring that, I sure hope Penner has a breakout game tonight. I think Parse is at least an offensive plus, but a little unsure of his defensive play when compared to Poni.
Enough rambling.
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Michael J. Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:29 pm
@Rob,
I appreciate your “rambling” to the continual “___________ sucks” or “fire ________” any day.
Go Kings Go! Play your game and you can win!
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Player-X Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:36 pm
@Rob, Not a ramble at all, nice post, salute.
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What a bogey to have traded for Penner let alone let him take the spot that Moeller deserves. Terry Game time decision lets put Moles in…Give Pens a rest..he needs it you probably wore him out in practice lettinghim know to bring “The Work”…in case you are wondering those of us in the stands don’t beleive he has brought anything to the game as of yet..maybe he will in game 6…
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Kings x Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 5:40 pm
@KNGFAN004, Moller sux and so does Penner. How do you figure he deserves a spot? He had Another chance then got benched. Trait bait or europe for him my friend
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Hey, at least we have a brand new road jersey to look forward to. Get your cash ready to throw down for new gear!!
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I’ve been a Kings fan for 23 years and I’m appalled by some of the posts on here recently. It makes me wonder if some of these posters remember how bad things were with the Kings before DL and TM got here. When Kopitar got hurt, I knew we had no chance of winning the cup. I was frustrated by the final two games of the regular season which ultimately came down to drawing San Jose or Vancouver. All along I thought if the Kings got the 4th or 5th seed they could win a round. Maybe even give the Wings a scare but wanted no part of SJ or Van. Two teams that have much more talent than we do at this time. Every expert picked the Sharks in five, I was hoping we would take it to seven but didn’t truly believe the Kings had much of a chance to win the series. After watching Game 1 and attending Game 2 I started to believe. Game 3 was OURS and it’s the first time I really questioned TM’s leadership. However, when down 3-0 in Game 4 I had zero faith that they would make it a game in the 3rd period, but they did. I think the team and coaches deserve credit for that. Maybe TM is not the right coach for this team, but it’s hard to knock what he has done the last three years. Find me a Kings coach who has had more success in three years?
The future is still bright for this team and yes DL made some poor moves but every GM does. Go read the hockey news prospect watch and see the talent in this organization. I for one, have been through many bad seasons with this team and am thrilled with the direction and character of this club. Look how hard Dustin Brown competes every night. How about Clifford? The kid is 20 years old. Doughty and Johnson are young. Quick and Bernier are young. Schenn and Loktionov are coming. Cheer up and chill out people! Now let’s go and bring this back to Staples!
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Player-X Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 4:37 pm
@hockeysureshot, right on man
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Dominick Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 6:58 pm
@hockeysureshot,
Excellent post. I have been hard on TM, but still believe in it’s players and DL. I stand by the owners too for building what they have built. I want to stand behind the coaching staff, but doubt is creeping in. I’ve backed them since the start, but I think for me it started with the PP this season, and has been slowly expanding to game reads, and adjustments. You’re absolutely right though. He has been more successful than some of the other coaching gems we’ve had coaching here in the past, and deserves some credit for that.
Thanks.
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I was watching the show Oil Change which focuses on the rebuilding process in Edmonton. It was surprising to see the heart he played with. I can understand LA has seen injury problems and he has been bounced around with different linemates. So I can understand frustration. Hell frustration is something Kings fans have to deal with yearly. I can’t understand the lack of heart and effort though.
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Off topic…..but anyone having issues with Versus on Time Warner? Was sitting down to enjoy Montreal-Boston and I have sound put no picture….
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Kingsfanone Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 5:06 pm
@Louis Zypher,
I’m thinking blame Penner.
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To me he sounds as if he lost his confidence and is blaming himself. He is overthinking things and has gotten away from having fun out there. It is hard to uproot and move in the middle of a season…It is going to have its effects. Throw in a new system, Coaching style, teammates etc and that is a receipe for what we see happening… Go Kings Go! Skate Penner Skate!
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Miller29 Reply:
April 23rd, 2011 at 6:49 pm
@THE HOCKEY DON, The dude is just an oaf and in TMs system that oafness is magnified exponentially. I also say GKG but if Penner sucks it up again I say go Penner go (far away from here)
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“Maybe. I don’t know. It’s tough to say.”>>>
And we wonder what’s wrong w/ him…..
“and we keep them off the score sheet, I think we have a pretty good chance.”
This guy goes to the Yogi Berra school of rocket science I see.
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But at least……FINALLY…..after 17 pointless games, someone asks him what’s wrong….
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tm plays a defense system, penner needs to be with a offensive system so he can be in front of the net, he can’t score running around. kings need an new system to keep the other team on defense
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For some reason i am not too worried about tonight, maybe because this fits the kings pattern this year when they started bad streaks they always pulled out crazy strong games .Game 6 is on the way, don’t fell real comfortable about our chances in that one just like last years playoffs.
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How can we be younger than the Oilers?
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@40 year fan, ok…let’s not bash tm cuz they are more talented. In that case we must bash dl for not getting us the players…RIGHT?
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