The Kings have now allowed 12 goals in the last two games, and will face potential elimination in Game 5 on Saturday night in San Jose.
A reminder — one that unfortunately has to be given — that blog rules are to be followed regardless of the result of a game. They’re posted prominently. Thanks. More from the locker room to come…
I didn’t think our defense was going to be the problem this series…simply HORRID
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Ryan oliver Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:20 pm
@McDonalds, Yeah. All the cross ice pass goals are getting a little old
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Scott Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:25 pm
@The Kings, This game showed a lot. LA is too young, they are too inexperienced to compete. They don’t know how to beat a struggling Sharks team. It is really disappointing to watch as a kid growing up dreaming to play in the NHL. There was limited heart on the ice. The Simmonds-Richardson-Clifford line is proof that the only guys that want it are those that had to work for it.
LA has a lot of work to do. Clearly 80% of the team didn’t want to win this one. Murray didn’t want it when he had a chance to make it a 6 on 4 with 3 mins left before Boyle’s penalty. Quicie didn’t want it, otherwise he would have pulled himself, Penner – enough said, Johnson clearly belongs in Manchester next year for an “extended preseason”.
If LA wants to be a real team they need to look to Chicago; a team going into game 4 down 3-0 in the series has outscored Van by double digits. There’s a reason why they are the defending champs.
Also LA needs management that knows the game. Any time the “big” acquisition who couldn’t careless is sad. LA has built their team around one philosophy, and right not it looks like not scoring.
Get a grab LA. Play for you fans.
Go Kings Go!
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Spanky Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 8:47 am
@Scott,
Like the Sharks are so experienced with Couture, Setoguchi and Pavelski?
Pesus Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:20 pm
@McDonalds,
Ever since the rule changes offence wins. The team that can score 5 goals a game in the playoffs will win the cup like the last few years
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number 6 Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:24 pm
@Pesus,
I’ve been saying that, and saying that, and saying that, and saying that, and saying that.
You still have to be solid defensively. But building a team to compete with the 1978 Boston Bruins isn’t gonna get the job done right now.
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lenman Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:25 pm
@McDonalds, Matt Greene had a terrible game and cost the Kings 2 goals. But that being said, lets look at the rosters and see who really is deep. And it sure isn’t the Kings. This series shows we are short a couple of players to be able to compete at that higher level like the Sharks. I am very proud of this team no matter what. The Sharks do not impress too much because they really are beatable. We just made them look good. Lets get them Saturday!!! Go Kings GO!!!!!!!!
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Duckhunter Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:31 pm
@lenman, DD did too…his penalty to put us 4 on 4 played right into the Sharks hands (easy to run and gun when there is so much ice)
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OAHUKINGzFAN Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 10:48 am
@lenma, well said, Im with you. That being said, its not over! GKG!
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frustrated Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:33 pm
@McDonalds, what defense?
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See you all next year
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:20 pm
@John Roy Morgan,
We still have at least 1 more game to play… hopefully 3!!
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HeyChief Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 10:07 am
@tacomakingsfan, put a fork in them, they’re done.
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frustrated Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:34 pm
@John Roy Morgan, i say that every year.
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cjms Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:45 pm
@John Roy Morgan, So, who plays with Schenn next year?
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John Roy Morgan Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 11:52 am
@cjms, Doesn’t matter who new plays for the team. What we are seeing is the difference between a boy’s team and a professional Men’s team. If you want an example of that, just look at How Detroit brings it on even game. When the King’s man up they will be a force.
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TM is an idiot, I’ll explain later
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FemaleFan #1 Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:21 pm
@Harty, No explanation necessary
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Pesus Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:22 pm
@Harty,
No explaination needed
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Mikie Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:24 pm
@Harty, Why was Quick not pulled. Bernier could be the turning point. TM Really?
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blugator Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:33 pm
@Mikie, I wonder how much self confidence this fiasco is giving Bernier. Watching all those goals coming and the coach refusing to put you in. I think I would be begging for a trade.
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rTana Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:53 pm
@blugator, agree. Its time to make changes. Even though quick has had some great saves, there is a point where u have to change him. Bernier needs to be put in and show TM how great hes also been all year. It will also give quick time to refocus and maybe get the team back in this
jofa6000 Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:53 pm
@Mikie, cz tm is in love w quick.
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Slim Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:24 pm
@Harty, Baited breath..
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LAK1ngs Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:26 pm
@Harty, I hope this series wakes up Dean L that he’s not the coach for this team.
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gmo Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:37 pm
@LAK1ngs,
ive said this many time and ill say it again…TM is a good coach, ill give him some credit because yes he has helped the team progressed. but i do firmly believe he is the coach that will take us to the next level….we have a great group of young players, combine that with a new coach with a newer and fresher take on coaching and minus all the slow slugs(zues,penner,poni,smythe) and we might end up having a better team.
go kings go minus stupid tm
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PP Anybody? Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:45 pm
@gmo, The same coach that wouldn’t put Cliffy, Richie, and Simmer out on the ice on a 5 on 3 when we were down by 3 goals? That’s about as dumb of a caching call as one could make at that point. No ability to read the game and make adjustments. EVER. Should’ve double shifted those guys all night long. You go with the hot hand. TM never does. This team will continue to be mediocre until TM is gone. Period.
Steven Jaime Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:54 pm
@gmo, When you listed slugs…. I would almost agree with you. The 4 guys you listed surely don’t have speed. Anything is far from a slug though. What he lacks in speed he makes up for with intelligence. He probably has the greatest knowledge of offense on the team with Kopi out. He puts himself in position to be effective and doesn’t quit. He is the only top 6 forward that has showed up every game and been effective. I would rather see him skating with Clifford and Richardson. I mean at this point what the hell. Also Bernier has to start game 5 Quick has no confidence once the first goal gets past him. More importantly let the kid get some playoff experience.
frustrated Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:36 pm
@Harty, maybe a poor showing will finally do it.
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The horror. The horror.
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Cynic Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:24 pm
@wavesinair,
Is that a typo for
The Horrible, The Horrible?
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CB14 Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:24 pm
@wavesinair, Ohh the Humanity. I thought we were posting the quotes when the Hindenberg went down.
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Shakes Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:35 pm
@wavesinair,
Walking out of Staples right now I do feel like I’m in The Heart of Darkness…
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kiosku2 Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:10 pm
@Shakes, … “and in the world a heart of darkness, a fire zone… “(One Tree Hill, Joshua Tree, 1987)
Yep, Bono (and U2 Shakes)sum it up nicely! Dark time for us Kings fans…
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Game 5 almost a formality at this point
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Captain Morgan Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:21 pm
@Skooma, Actually I’m pretty confident we win that one.
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SdFan3 Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:24 pm
@Captain Morgan, I agree
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All I can say….is exactly what u would expect from a girl…… O.M.G.
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THE HOCKEY DON Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:42 pm
@FemaleFan #1,
Do you need a shoulder to cry on??? I know I do ;(
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Very upsetting……ugh….
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Nothing goes our way. Crazy… I’m going to bed
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Pesus Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:26 pm
@Cortex949,
My coach used to say’ “luck is a residue of design”
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robocop Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:37 pm
@Cortex949,
actually, we scored 8 unanswered goals from game 2 to 1 min into period 2 of game three. things were sure going our way then. difference was, san jose figured out how to adjust and got their act together.
murray, on the other hand…
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RobSD Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 1:24 am
@robocop,
We had it just like last year. Then.. Implode. Doughty needs to control himself. Emotions are high but geeeeze. I drove up from SD for that sheet show. 4.25 a gallon. Martinez is one of my favorites but first two goals were on him. Who would have thought our D would be what killed us? We sure can score now. Just not 7 a game. Where has still been? I say put everything back to our game 2 line up. Penner is a joke. The fact that he has a ring is insane. Demote him back to 4th line. Bring up molly and sit Westy. Greene killed us. He even got away with a few. They were playing too emotional. I don’t think the last game was truly behind them.
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Cheer up, we’re going to have the best 3rd line in the NHL for years to come
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neil Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:21 pm
@Captain Morgan, Except will the Kings sign Richardson for next year? He is restricted. Also this coach will break them up…
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Captain Morgan Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:34 pm
@neil, I think these playoffs pretty much guarantee that he will be signed. Plenty of money to sign Richie.
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frustrated Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:40 pm
@neil, how about breaking up the coaching staff.
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CB14 Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:22 pm
@Captain Morgan, What about our top 2 lines?
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Bkrs-Bud Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:56 pm
@Captain Morgan, Only problem is we have 4 3rd lines.
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bear777 Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:57 pm
@Captain Morgan, It’s actually our first line in the absence of theother 3 lines.
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Well the system and the defense doenst work against a good team.The defense is healthy…no excuses for the D.We scored 14 goals in three games…8 straight at one time…
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Steven Jaime Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:55 pm
@neil, I don’t agree…. I think we would have to actually play within the system to fairly judge that. Instead we are to busy running around like teenage girls who just had their first wine coolers. I won’t say the sharks are not a good team. They are and they don’t give up in the face of adversity. The Kings however lose all composure as soon as 1 thing goes wrong. They start playing scared. Maybe they have too much respect for the sharks. …. maybe they lack leadership on the ice. I don’t know. The fact is though they play good hockey until something goes wrong and then panic. Quick has played well for the most part. He loses it too though as soon as the first one gets by him. Talent wise he is great. Mentally though he is not the type of goalie a team can ride to a championship. …. Not yet anyways. I think he can get there, but he has a long way to go.
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Brilliant!
Too pissed to post anymore. We draw the most beatable top 4 team and we find ways to lose to them.
I can handle losing galiantly. This is just losing pitifully.
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Cynic Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:28 pm
@Cynic, CORRECTION:
We STUMBLED to the most beatable top 4 team….
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Rich expects the HATE to come…
He will be busy deleting tonight…
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Here we are again…
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Lets see… We need to address the following this summer:
1. Coaching
2. Power Play
3. 1st and 2nd line depth
4. A SCORER!
Yep, this is the Kings. I keep hearing that Talking Heads song over and over in my head….. “Same as it ever was”……..
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:22 pm
@Kevin, i think they going to fire TM
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Kevin Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:29 pm
@KingsFanFTW, Not gonna happen, I put 50 bucks on it! Will gladly pay if I am wrong, but something tells me I wont be
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:37 pm
@Kevin, well i be glad they keep him but i be piss off they keep the PP coach guy he needs to get lost
PP Anybody? Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:49 pm
@KingsFanFTW, TM won’t be going anywhere. DL will simply say “the team is still young”. We will be stuck with Murray for another year, unless we go on another couple horrible skids next season, and all the players point the finger at him. I’d be surprised if they even get rid of Kompon. I have no idea how that guy has kept his job for 5 years.
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:53 pm
@PP Anybody?, i just want that PP coach gone
Bkrs-Bud Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:59 pm
@KingsFanFTW, I think T.M.and D.L. will get 2 more years and if things do not improve they will both be gone.
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:02 pm
@Bkrs-Bud, i like DL if it had to be them fired i rather Keep DL and get rid of TM
Heenan Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:16 pm
@Bkrs-Bud,
Personally, I’d give them eight more years.
What the hell.
Concussionnan02 Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:24 pm
@Kevin, You forgot GM and Ownership
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CanadianKing Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:03 pm
@Kevin, Keeping a star in Schenn buried in the minors proved what exactly? Imagine if the kid had a season under his belt coming into the playoffs? You would have had your scorer…
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Heenan Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:18 pm
@CanadianKing,
Yes, but he would have cost more money.
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Look on the bright side. The Kings aren’t the first team eliminated in the playoffs. That’s gotta account for something.
We knew they needed to play this game like they did in Game 2. But they didn’t and the result is another loss. Maybe the road allows them to steal the next game in SJ, but no way this team can win three in a row against the more talented team.
Stick the biggest fork you can find in them. They’re done.
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7holesniper Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:24 pm
@vplaza, it accounts for second worst. game 2 was a fluke by the sharks, the kings are a team that rides on luck half the time. never able to produce results where they count. if this team couldnt win a cup with the greatest hockey player of all time they’re not going to win one now.
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frustrated Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:42 pm
@7holesniper, exsatly.
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CB14 Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:27 pm
@vplaza,
There’s a feather in your cap!
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we are done no way we come back
Quick did great just bad bounces
Defense did great for awhile then thats it
Offense was okay they were coming back then they blow it
Bring up people get Stoll out he nothing but bad luck
oh well see this team next year
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KingTrojan Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:32 pm
@KingsFanFTW, Did you watch the game?
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:44 pm
@KingTrojan, ……..of course i watch it what else ut hink am talking about its only one game one Kings and one Sharks i hate when people try to act like a smartbutt to me which it doesnt work so i give u that warning for a heads up
With Stoll we are 0-3 he bad luck he a great player but right now he bad luck he most did something to piss off the Hockey gods
Quick did great 5 on 3 it should of been a easy goal but Quick saved those big saves the goals that was let in there was no way in hell Quick could of saved it
Defense did good for awhile into thos goals came in then the collapse happen again
The offense was doing great for a comeback but then everything we out of control
we had a chance to catch up but our pathetic PP cost us to do so oh well lets just watch game 5 hope for the best if they are out they are out always next season
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We win three straight. Two in overtime and win the series.
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doug in sacramento Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:25 pm
@Mikey J.,
Dear God, please let Mikey J. be correct!!!
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rabidhockeyfan Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:26 pm
@Mikey J., I wish I could believe! But at this point, I just don’t see it! The way the players carried themselves at the end of the game told me everything I needed to know.
The players need to each sit in front of the mirror and evaluate where they are. Tuesday and tonight are just not acceptable to be apart of a winning hockey club!
Penner – Why don’t you just retire! If you don’t want to play, quit! Your play is pathetic – My 7 year old plays with more passion than you do! Right now you disqust me!
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number 6 Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:27 pm
@Mikey J.,
If that happens that means they win three straight on the road vs. the Sharks. That ain’t gonna happen.
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Mikey J. Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:34 pm
@number 6, I don’t think they would let the Kings play Game 6 on the road.
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number 6 Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:43 pm
@Mikey J.,
I’m referring to Game 2 which they won. If they won Game 5 and 7 which they most likely based on the last two games clearly will not, that would make Three straight wins in SJ.
Doughty2Simmonds Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:42 pm
@number 6, uhhhh actually 2 out of 3 on the road
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Steven Jaime Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:00 pm
@Doughty2Simmonds, we might be better off playing 3 on the road. I think we can win game 5 and game 7 too. Unfortunately it will never reach that point because I doubt the league lets us play game. 6 in an alternate venue. I wondering if we could book the old forum.
Lets hope this is one of those Character building, teachable moments. I thought we were ahead of this curve,, and it’s too bad we as fans had to have our hearts ripped out in front of the whole hockey world, starting with the long losing streak, then losing the last two games to the f#*ks only to go from 4th to 8th seed in the playoffs, culminating in the 4 goal blown lead, and the nightmarish way our alleged strengths, D and Goaltending, those things we had boasted about to the rest of the NHL, but turned out to be all but a lie. Lets hope these Kings actually learn and our kids in Manchester either fetch us what we need or turn out to be what we drafted finally.
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Hockeysureshot Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:30 pm
@Ravens, Youre correct. This team should not be a seventh seed. So damn inconsistent.
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frustrated Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:54 pm
@Hockeysureshot, chicago showed some character the last two games. too bad this team cant.
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Bkrs-Bud Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:03 pm
@frustrated, the hawks have offensive talent something the kings are in short supply of.
So should we take a poll on what TM is going to say?
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LA Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:25 pm
@rabidhockeyfan, its not acceptable i thought quick was on his game the defence needs to tighten up im still looking for Penner to up his effort. thats my guess
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Bruin18 Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:02 pm
@LA, A goalie who gives up 12 goals in 2 games is not on his game no matter what is going on with the D
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Kevin Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:26 pm
@rabidhockeyfan, “We didnt compete, the Sharks came out more prepared……blah blah blah…… Same thing we have heard all year
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Mikie Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:27 pm
@rabidhockeyfan, He will say the same thing as he has every game. He is about consistency. If its not working then change it up for goodness sake.
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StankBloat Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:34 pm
@Mikie, “I think Penner’s best shift was when he didn’t hit anyone, missed that clearing pass and skated off after his shift like he had a sudden case of viscious diarrhea. He keeps that up, I will have to move him onto the 1st line and power play unit.I thought it was his best shift of the series.”
FRIGGIN WEAK !
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puck73 Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:14 pm
@StankBloat, Lmfao !
CB14 Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:29 pm
@rabidhockeyfan, I’d like to hear why he called a timeout in the second period after he didn’t call one last game. Actually I’ve got it, there wasn’t a TV timeout coming up.
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:38 pm
@rabidhockeyfan, hey at least he called a timeout then a TV break ahahaha
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robocop Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:40 pm
@rabidhockeyfan,
TM can save his breath. Action, not words is what is needed now, and TM is a man of little to no action.
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i have a feeling they are going to win game 5 just to get our hopes up and then lose at home. Hope i’m wrong and we some how take this to 7…
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LA Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:24 pm
@doug in sacramento, sounds about right the kings love to disapoint
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therocknroll80s Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:27 pm
@doug in sacramento, the worst thing that coutld happen to this team is for them to win 2 more games here. That happens then TM is back with his lousy coaches and we’ll never get better. NEVER!
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wannabeking Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:35 pm
@doug in sacramento, honestly don’t think we will take game 5. we give up goals in spurts and not just 1 goal.
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What blog will the deleted comments show up on??? That could be interesting…. Rich…how about in the off season…the unposted posts!!!!
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Concussionnan02 Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:26 pm
@neil, I know I have a few
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CB14 Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:30 pm
@neil, Like on the Real World, at the end of the year they have an episode called the stuff they should’ve shown. With “stuff” being the politically correct term.
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KungFu King Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:40 pm
@neil, we should get an ‘R’ rated forum where we sign in, acknowledge that we’re 18/21 and get to really express our ‘colorful’ language.
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I feel bad for Quick. They didn’t give him a chance.
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lenman Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:37 pm
@Michael J., So do I. The team let him down once again.
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The Los Angeles Lakers- keeping Kings fans off suicide watch for decades. I hope they win a cup before i die and im 19
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Ravens Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:26 pm
@LA, that’s what I said 23 years ago
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Kevin Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:27 pm
@Ravens, Me, 31 years ago!
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frustrated Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:56 pm
@Kevin, me, forty years ago.
LA Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:29 pm
@Ravens, Being a Kings fan is a constant struggle especially in quackville now that they have a cup win. i wouldnt wish this curse on my worst ememy
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LA Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:30 pm
@LA, enemy
tacomakingsfan Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:28 pm
@LA,
LOL Optimism… I like it. I’ve been watching them for over 20 but yet alas no cup.
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robocop Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:41 pm
@LA,
save yourself while you’re still young.
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Kevin Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:45 pm
@robocop, Get out while you can! Theres not hope for us old timers!
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Bogus Dude Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:53 pm
@LA,
Hardcore since 74. I don’t know how many more seasons I can take of this. No need to go into any deep explanation.
GKG till I die, which may be sooner than later!
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i actually would give bernier a start now. its about giving the team a wake up call and also maybe a change of goalies will shift the momentum
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number 6 Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:29 pm
@gcheng,
Absolutely agree, and Moller too. They actually won with him in the lineup…. and he actually has some speed.
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LA Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:33 pm
@number 6, no we need slower skaters right now we were too fast in this game penner needs to double shift to keep our speed down.- Terry Murray
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Ravens Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:34 pm
@number 6, I think we have a couple D-men on the bench who should probably get a start as well as Bernie,,,really, how much worse could it be?
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CB14 Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:36 pm
@number 6, What do you think the chances are that it happens? 1%, mabye 1.5%
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Hey now everyone, all we gotta do is believe right? Philly and Montreal were down 3-0 last year and won. We can do it. Do you believe in miracles? *starts singing*
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steve Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:47 pm
@loskingpride, i don’t think montreal was down 3-0
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END of game PP why not pull quick for 6 on 3, what are we afraid to lose 7-3, who cares! i hate to say this but it seems that this team has no desire to win games, no ability to come back and get a goal that matters. i love this team and we need to look at chicago down 3 games have turned it on. KINGS this sj team is the team you can BEAT if you play 20 min 3 periods like you did in game 2 and 3 (1st period). Coach TM listen sit Penner down for game 5, play Moller it will not hurt you need speed and penner plays in mud. PLAY to WIn this is your CAREER THE STANLEY CUP…COME ON YOUR NOT OUT OF IT WIN THE NEXT ONE AND THEN DONT LOSE AT HOME AND ITS GAME 7 COME ON.
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I’ve stuck with TM since day one, now I’m done! how can u not pull ur goalie? I mean really??? Vancouver pulled Luongo out tonight and game 4 and who is the backup for that team??? Yet TM can’t pull his starting goalie for Bernie? What a joke! say what u want but i ain’t got a soft spot for million dollar men, that being said, Quick let in a few bad ones. Golf time!
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Michael J. Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:26 pm
@Dude,
How can he not pull him on that 5 on 3 with 3 minutes left?
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lenman Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:32 pm
@Dude, You are WRONG WRONG WRONG about Quick!!!!!!!!!!! He had 0 I repeat 0 help and even Foxy said there was NOT one bad goal. So get off his back. He was brilliant in the first and the rest of the team sucked in the second and third periods. End of story!@!!
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The Batman Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:37 pm
@lenman, i agree with you lenman, i dont think any of those goals were quicks fault at all, but i do think he should have been pulled, not to punish him or to show that he was sucking but as a message to the team that they are sucking and need to get their crap together.
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lenman Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:39 pm
@The Batman, Agree.
robocop Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:45 pm
@The Batman,
well said. missed your comments before i posted mine. eerie.
Bkrs-Bud Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:08 pm
@The Batman, That is what i felt last game,and this game.
robocop Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:44 pm
@lenman,
it’s not about quick being bad, it’s about sending a message to the team that they’re playing like crap in front of him and giving him a rest.
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KungFu King Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:05 pm
@lenman, Feel free to go 1/5 of the way down to see my post: http://lakingsinsider.com/2011/04/19/final-sharks-6-kings-5/#comment-480414 ….I was shocked to see so many blindly faithful supporters of Quick over the past two games, so here’s to you… Yep, Quick can consume the Sharks with fireballs from his eyes, and bolts of lightning from his arse.
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prlandra Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:32 pm
@Dude, I was waiting to see if someone would post this. I’ve been okay with TM for most of the past 3 years but I too am beginning to wonder if it’s time for a change. Down by 3, 2-1 in games, 5 on 3 powerplay with under 3 minutes to go. How do you not roll the dice, pull the goalie and go for it? That was pathetic coaching.
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Captain Morgan Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:46 pm
@prlandra, Because its a 5 on 3 and you expect to score on that,one miscue and they shoot for the empty net and it’s over.
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prlandra Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:58 pm
@Captain Morgan, I would still say go for it. You’re down by 3, the game is basically over anyway. Throw eveerything possible at them. Besides, it’s not like our 5 on 3 has been all that successful.
Pesus Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:06 pm
@Captain Morgan,
Speaking of the 5 on 3, besides pee wee hockey teams, who the hell puts 3 guys on the blueline? Wake up TM on a 5 on 3 your advantage is down low. Why not put 4 guys on the blueline? What a joke. Think about it, if your killing a 5 on 3 you pray the other team takes point shots instead of getting a tap-in down low. So we willing take shots from the blueline, not gonna get it done!
brian spain Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:09 pm
@Captain Morgan, Cap, if you pull the goalie for a 6 on 3 and the puck gets out of the zone, the players should be hung by there necks. Andy Murray had some big ones, remember when he pulled the goalie in 2002 with like 3.5 minutes to go, kings came back after pulling the goalie two times and won that game and the series. Andy Murray is not a good coach I believe, Doughty letting Nichol bait him into a two minute roughing was very mature. @ goals on that 4 on 4. Doughty needs to grow up and be the man…the man that doesn’t make immature mistakes.
AARRRRGGGH Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:54 pm
@prlandra, Couldn’t agreee more. I know our PP is bad but you’ve gotta think we can score with a 6 on 3. Then we’re down 2 with 2 or 2 1/2 to go and at least we have a shot. Great opportunity to send a message to the boys that we’re going to fight our butts off ’til the horn sounds. Well TM did send a message: “We quit.”
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Moller = 1 win penner = 3 losses
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7holesniper Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:26 pm
@Hockeyfan B4 Gretzky, W/ Gretzky = 0 cups.
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doug in sacramento Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:28 pm
@Hockeyfan B4 Gretzky,
agree.
Game 5 – Moller for Penner and Harrold for Martinez.
Martinez has made bad plays leading to three goals this series. Just a little too young still.
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Hockeyfan B4 Gretzky Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:32 pm
@doug in sacramento, Agreed Whisky for martinez is all I would change on D.
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KingsFanintheD Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 6:08 pm
@Hockeyfan B4 Gretzky, big mistake.martinez is the better d man. period. we are better with alec in the lineup
steve Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:49 pm
@doug in sacramento, we can’t take out martinez
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Bkrs-Bud Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:14 pm
@doug in sacramento, he is getting valuable experience on a team that is years away from being a cup contender
If you want to bench a d-man bench Greene that guy is good for at least one stupid penalty per game,along with his many turnovers.
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Fire Terry Murray right now so we don’t have to listen to his excuses and why he finally called a timeout a game late that still didn’t work. Terry Murray is a horrible coach. He has absolutely no game management, has no desire to keep line combos together to let them work and then he keep putting out there a defenseman in Matt Greene who is slow and takes stupid penalties, and that poor excuse for a hockey player in Westgarth who can’t do anything well except for clap every time he gets his butt kicked. Good job Westgarth in showing what kind of composed hockey player you are at the end of the game. *sarcasm* Bench both Westgarth and Greene in place of Drewiske and Harrold!
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Casper Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 12:12 am
@Mike J,
you are an idiot. that makes no sense
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I wonder who is going to be available for the head coach position next season.
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Dude Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:30 pm
@goldielocks, I don’t mind Stevens
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Kevin Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:31 pm
@goldielocks, I glady take the position. Heck, I couldnt be any worse now than TM could I?
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c4sraser Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 7:14 pm
@Kevin, agree ,where else can u suck and still have a job
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Pie Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:33 pm
@goldielocks, when phoenix moves Tippet becomes available. just saying
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CB14 Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:34 pm
@Pie, I would love to have Tippet behind our bench next year.
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ziggy Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:35 pm
@Pie, just curious, but you don’t think he would move with the team?
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deadite77 Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:54 pm
@ziggy, Tippett’s contract has an out clause if the team relocates. I imagine his agent put that there for a reason.
LA Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:36 pm
@Pie, Id be happy to accept the position of Los Angeles Kings Head coach for the 2011 season
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Kingfan Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:04 pm
@LA, I thought u were 19?
Kenny44 Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 12:03 am
@Pie, Now THAT would be something!
Hitchcock is coaching Team Canada at the Worlds, but I think his best is behind him.
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Pesus Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:10 pm
@goldielocks,
I heard kurt muller’s name tossed around, think he is with montreal right now as an assistant
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Like we say every year,’Theres always next year’. Still proud to be a king fan still proud of this team.Lot of positives to come in he future.Patience is a VIRTUE.
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Let me guess the headline from Rich tomorrow morning:
“Friday Morning Practice, No Changes”
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7holesniper Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:28 pm
@Cynic, “Friday Morning, Day Off” lol
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Steven Jaime Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:13 pm
@7holesniper, why would they want to take Friday off that is way to much. Haven’t they been off since about 5 minutes into the 2nd period on Tuesday? I mean we wouldn’t want them to get rusty.
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xeropoint Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:30 pm
@Cynic, Well if it ain’t broke…oh wait.
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CB14 Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:33 pm
@Cynic, LOL!
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Bkrs-Bud Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:17 pm
@Cynic, Lol.maybe less defense oh wait we already tried that.
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Best thing for this team is to go on the road. I’ll be there Saturday night. Who knows what will happen in these playoffs? Look at Vancouver.
I’m just upset about our lack of home ice advantage. Saw way too much teal and the crowd sounded quiet on tv to me. Other arenas are better just face it.
So many breakdowns. Poor on face-offs etc…
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Pesus Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:12 pm
@Hockeysureshot,
We have been terrible at home ever since TM took over, maybe he should let the visitors have the final line change
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Keep wheeling Quick into goal every game TM. How many years does it take to realize this goaltender is not good under pressure? Two straight years blowing it, and I’ll bet the farm TM starts him again in their concluding game to this season. Since the crucial Ducks games, your boy “Quickie” is 1 and 5 in crucial games. I have been telling you people all year that Bernier is special. Please, Kings give him a chance. What do you have to lose? Quick needs to be benched. If not, that’s it folks.
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CB14 Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:32 pm
@Poorman, I’m not going to blame JQ for our last 2 losses, but I think JB should play in Game 5.
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:32 pm
@Poorman,
This game was definitely not Quicks fault.. Bad bounces and poor coverage led to most of those.. including the Martinez/SJ goal.
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xeropoint Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:34 pm
@Poorman, How can you honestly pin any of this on Quick? He had no chance on anything in the last 2 games and not to mention the robbery in the first when the score really could have gotten out of hand. The players just blew it. Plain and simple.
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robocop Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:47 pm
@Poorman,
quick has been great all series with the exception of the couture goal. it’s the porous defense that has left him out to dry.
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:50 pm
@Poorman, am not in a mood to hear blaming on Quick the Team fail together plain and simple thats all end of story
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steve Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:51 pm
@Poorman, as everyone else said, this game was the d’s fault, not quick’s
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Bkrs-Bud Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:19 pm
@steve, Isn’t Quick part of the defense?
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:47 pm
@Bkrs-Bud, he the last part of it he the one u should protect he can only save 80% of it not a 100% of it
steve Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 8:19 am
@Bkrs-Bud, well put kingsfanftw
Mikey J. Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:52 pm
@Poorman, I’d play em.
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Mikey J. Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:54 pm
@Mikey J., Bernie that is. Saved the Kings bacon back in February.
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Pesus Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:15 pm
@Poorman,
I dont blame quick either, would of been nice if he came up with some of those saves but dont think jesus christ holds SJ to under 4 goals the last 2 games.
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puck73 Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:26 pm
@Poorman, So you think Bernier is Hasek huh ? Uh, ok.
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:46 pm
@puck73, Hey ur back!!!
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Poorman Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 2:06 am
@puck73, Do you really believe Quick will suddenly stonewall the Sharks in Game 5? C’mon, everyone knows he’ll lose the next game, everyone. Quick is not coming up big in big games. Bernier has actually performed better under pressure. This is the perfect time to change up team Chemistry. They need to do something. No one knows how Bernier will do until given the chance. Quick has given up 12 goals in two games! Why is everyone so afraid to switch it up? It’s not working the way it is people. Suppose Bernier gets hot? Don’t worry though. Murray is so predictable and will wheel Quick into goal again.
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Just curious…So none of the last 12 goals were Quick’s fault?
Not a hater just curious..
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7holesniper Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:29 pm
@Slim, i dont get what everyone is saying, quick looks way scrambly out there.
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Kevin Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:30 pm
@Slim, The D clearly left him out to dry. He was good for some time, but wasnt the difference maker we need him to be
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lenman Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:46 pm
@Kevin, Did you see the first period???????????????????????/
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Pie Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:35 pm
@Slim, Some were stoppable. But most were just good plays leading to goals or bad bounces, not Quicks fault. that said TM should have pulled him in both games to send a message to the rest of the team.
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lenman Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:45 pm
@Pie, Can you please tell me which goals you felt were stoppable because I just don’t se it the same way!!!!!
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Pie Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:06 pm
@lenman, I’m trying not to remember the game right now.
PP Anybody? Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:58 pm
@Slim, No, none of them were. I’d like you to replay all of them and find an instance where he could have played any one of them differently and made the save. Go..
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Pesus Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:19 pm
@Slim,
He was great in the 1st, then was ok the rest of the way. I dont think there was a “soft” goal in the last 2 games. Alot of guys left wide open back door, couple of bad bounces. You get lucky bounces when your offence takes the puck to the net. You dont see alot of lucky goals when all 3 forwards are on the boards.
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:21 pm
@Slim, this game wasnt Quick fault
I told u guys in the beginning before the playoff started if we lose this Series is because of the lack of offense
lately the Offense is there but the Defense isnt
I dont see what Quick fault on any of those goals
i just wish people open their eyes and be more realistic forn once and give this guy a break
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Wow, well our supposed depth us lacking. Dean has some work to do over the summer. I m not quiting on the boys, but if anything it shows that we are 3-4 difference makers away from being a real contender. Bottom line is we are good but not nearly good enough. Come on Kings let’s win in San Jose and at Lear get one more home game anyways.
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7holesniper Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:31 pm
@Timbo from Canada, Dean needs to get a real top three group. kopitar is the only one worthy of the first line on this team.
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:34 pm
@Timbo from Canada,
If TM is still here next year… then DL will probably get another Grinder or HAS BEEN Veteran.
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Ravens Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:49 pm
@tacomakingsfan, who’s going to come here?
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tacomakingsfan Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:32 pm
@Ravens,
That’s what I mean….. No one significant..
joe dirt Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:09 pm
@Timbo from Canada, it was your Dean that put this team together and vouched for Murray. so dont epect much there. But there are no notable free agents available thus summer outside of richards and jussi jokinen
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Bkrs-Bud Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:21 pm
@Timbo from Canada, You and i agree.
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On the bright side, Westgarth other than the crap at the end has shown that he can actually play hockey.
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AARRRRGGGH Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:01 pm
@RYC, Agreed. I’ve been hard on him in the past, but he’s been bringing more to his game lately…..or maybe my rage directed toward Penner and TM has made him look better.
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Protect this house ? Lets start off by bring that cardboard castle doors down
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Hockeysureshot Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:31 pm
@mestrada, And maybe not have so many fans rooting for the other team. Awful job tonight by LA fans.
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Ravens Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:51 pm
@Hockeysureshot, maybe the fans were so hard up to root for a winning team in the playoffs that they cheered for the other team a few plays just to taste the forbidden fruit and see what it feels like.
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I’m starting to think we may have been to concerned with our lack of goal production going into this series and overcompensated thus hurting our defense. HORRID coverage at times costing us every time
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Cortex949 Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:32 pm
@Cortex949, too* concerned
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Just another in a long line of disappointments for a long time Kings fan. Just one question, did Penner play tonight? I don’t remember Bob calling his name much if at all.
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MrMister Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:33 pm
@bill donnelly, who is Penner? I saw a sack of potatoes wearing a #25 Jersey, is that who you speak of?
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rabidhockeyfan Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:35 pm
@bill donnelly, This one trade, which lucked great at the start, is now one of the most costly trades in our recent history! As a STH I want to know what the heck his problem is. I’ve made my commitment to the team. He’s being paid $4.5 m (more than I’ll make in my whole career doing real work that really helps people) and he has shown ZERO effort since he’s been here. Be a leader or quit!
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bill donnelly Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:41 pm
@rabidhockeyfan, The only other deadline acquisition I was more disappointed with was Cliff Ronning. He was a King killer for years, joins the Kings for a playoff run and did just as much as the sack of potatoes wearing #25. And unlike Ronning we will be stuck with him next year.
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Bogus Dude Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:00 pm
@rabidhockeyfan,
I think he quit! (playing)
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pmc Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:43 pm
@bill donnelly,He started actually. He was on the ice but I don’t think he played. Thanks TM
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lenman Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:48 pm
@bill donnelly, He was too busy standing by the boards watching everybody else play. What is his problem? I sort of feel sorry for him.
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only thing left….the best comeback in Kings history!!!!!!!
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No need to single out any one player or coach tonight. DL has a lot of work to do this off season. Good luck, because it has nothing to do with scouting and a rebuild. How do we dominate a team on their home ice and come back and allow 6 goals in back to back games on our home ice?? I thought we were a defensive shut down team.
Pride and passion will be on display Saturday night. Let’s hope for the best. Kings in 7.
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Will any of the UFA be re-signed? Zeus? Poni? I don’t think harrold will be re-signed…. oh, wait… there is still one more game….
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@Harty, TM could coach Ottawa. They will be in rebuild mode next year
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@Harty, oh Penner cost Clifford, Simmonds and Richardsons minus tonight , thanks Dustin your terrible, go back to Edmonton or the Quacks.
YOU S_____.
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The Kings defensemen and goalie have not really been the problem in the series. The Kings centers and forwards need to be more physical and aggressive in both ends. Dustine Penner and Justine Williams are both playing like young girls ice skating around all the Sharks. This is playoff hockey so start doing your part for the team and take the body every shift. We need more playoff type effort from other Kings players besides Brownie, Richardson, Simmonds and Clifford. The series is not over yet.
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CB14 Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:42 pm
@DTALKER, JUSTIN Williams just came back a week early from a shoulder injury. Cut him some slack. And take that slack and stick it on Penner.
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DTALKER Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 12:46 am
@CB14, @Lenman, @Bkrs-Bud,
Penner and Williams are players who would rather avoid contact. No excuse for Penner as he has the size to punish other players and wear them down. Penner is playing like he is out of shape.
Although I applaud William’s effort to come back early from the shoulder injury, he is playing the same soft style before the shoulder injury occurred. It may work during the regular season, but not during playoff time when you need tighter checking. Also, with Williams being paired with Smyth and Stoll you have two forward combo that rarely does any physical checking and are liabilities in the defensive end. I would definitely replace Penner and possibly Williams in the next game.
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lenman Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:53 pm
@DTALKER, Oh please back off on Justin Williams. He came back at 80% to try and help the Kings, He had a terrific first game back and has been doing the best he can with his shoulder in a harness. So what is Penner’s excuse?
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Bkrs-Bud Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:32 pm
@DTALKER, Williams has a bad shoulder remember,And penner and zeus are soft players.
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No more Quick please time to let Bernier in maybe he will give us a chance to win…and after the season is over, T Murray need to go..
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Snarks announcers with 1:30 left in the game down by three. “I can’t believe they are not pulling their goalie!” This isn’t basketball guys.
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CB14 Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:44 pm
@Mikey J., What about with 3:14 left and a Power Play, then 14 seconds later with a 5 on 3 PP? He should’ve done it then.
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Mikey J. Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:48 pm
@CB14, Who knows? We’ve still got the road next.
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RYC Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:49 pm
@Mikey J., Same with the clowns on TSN
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AARRRRGGGH Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:07 pm
@RYC, What’s the worst that could’ve happened? 7-3? Would that have tipped the scale into the embarassing zone? I would’ve preferred pulling him at the start of the PP with 3 minutes left and seeing what happened rather than rolling over.
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I dont get it, why cant the kings pass? there were so many turnovers that came out of simply not being able to get a good pass to skate it in or at least get it in deep, and yeah im affraid the D has fallen apart. im gonads have nightmares of the king defense never being the same after these playoffs EVER!
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It was Quick’s fault but he was flopping all over the ice…If nothing else give Bernier some playoff experience for next year.
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I say the lines look like this for Saturday…….
Clifford, Richardson, Simmonds
Brown, Lewis, Westgarth
Poni, Stoll, Williams
Smyth, Handzus, Penner
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Steven Jaime Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:18 pm
@Harty, So you want to move Smyth to the 4th line. I mean it might work. He could probably do more with 4 minutes of ice time than our other top 6 forwards.
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@Harty, Murray’s been doing that all year long. He only calls out young guys, but he kisses the behinds of veteran players even when they don’t perform over a long period of time.
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@Harty, Id give DD a D but other than that your spot on oh and penner gets an incomplete because he didnt go to the game
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Even if it is not Quicker’s fault, you have to change the dynamic of the series and start Bernier in Game 5
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Rick Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:16 pm
@Carol Vadnais, Very much agree.
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@Harty, Please dont say ” No dispue” That is old school thinking…my way or the highway…we cant disagree with u? If thats the case then dont give us your ratings
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Harty Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:46 pm
@neil, fair Neil, I do respect everyone’s thoughts, withdraw that comment…..your right Neil.
Jesus I’m mad a t TM and the terrible outing by some Kings, why does he not bench these guys??
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neil Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:52 pm
@Harty, If i had a player going thru the motions(Lewis) I would never give him a B..We are all feeling mad right now…I do love your ratings and will look forward to them this year and next!!!
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Greene was horrible tonight. But I don’t blame our D-men for the breakdown. It was the system that brokedown. TM’s system has a big hole. SJ found the way to break our N-zone pressure with speed and a stretch pass. Without N-zone pressure, we can’t contain their attack in outside. Look at all those shots taken by SJ. Almost none has been coming from the outside. When TM’s system worked well, all shots were taken from outside, and that resulted easy save for Quick. SJ’s coach studied us well. TM didn’t. He didn’t even show his counter strategy. We are out coached badly, people.
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bill donnelly Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:49 pm
@goldielocks, TM doesn’t make in game adjustments. The only change I saw tonight was using his timeout, but only after the third goal. I thought he should have used it after the second.
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JacquesQ Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:50 pm
@goldielocks, Coaching cost us 6-8 points in the season and I believe it cost us any hope of being in this series
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Ready for the Cup in LA Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:53 pm
@goldielocks, TM has been a a very good coach, just not our TM…
SJ fans are so quick to jump all over this guy. Maybe we trade TMs for a year.
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I love the Kings as all of you do. And I’ve been to four of the playoff games the last two years and get jacked up every time. The crowd is great, the atmosphere is amazing and the team looks good all together.
That said … two years in the playoffs at home and the Kings are 1-4. Ouch.
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rabidhockeyfan Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:45 pm
@dailymehow, Yep – Very painful. And what have they done, raise the ticket prices for next year! So now we’re stuck – Re-up or lose our seats/ senority.
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dailymehow Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:48 pm
@rabidhockeyfan,
They have put on a better product and raised payroll. But that’s not my point.
I waked out of Staples the other night with a headache and a knot in my back. Not to mention a battered spirit and bruised heart. It’s just painful to be a Kings or even a sports fan in general.
We invest so much time and love for these guys and they try their best. I just wish they had the skill and defense to be able to put it all together. I hate the “Wait ’til next year attitude” and am sticking by them this Saturday and hoping my tickets are used on Monday.
We stuck by them this long. A little more faith can’t hurt.
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Bkrs-Bud Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:38 pm
@dailymehow, Hang in there as long as you want,everybody has there own pain threshold.
@Harty, I wouldn’t give Martinez an A. He blew some coverages that led to goals, same with green
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No brainer – Doughty, really, you let a fourth liner pull you off the ice for a coincidental 2min penalty that allowed the game to open up. How immature is that.
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ok this what i see Moller 1
Stoll 0-2 get moller back up and make Stoll sit out anyone with me
But i would give Bernier a shot even tho this playoff wasnt his fault the team let him down
but at least give Bernier some action in it
I wish we have Kopi i would play Kopi with a broken Ankle over Penner anyday
I get rid of that wasteful PP coach i hate him i hate him
At least TM call a timeout should of pulled Quick but at least he tired something
this time on a rollercoaster to hell Blackhawks even going to play one more game than us BOO
And am sorry for that money u guys throw away from Game 3 and game 4
Lets just hope some how we pull it off still but 1% it will happen and 99% it wont happen
I am hoping we come back next season better as ever and i mean better as ever by never going to those slumps again!!
I love my Team but am very disappoint in them
Go Kings GO 2011-2012 our year
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Kevin Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:49 pm
@KingsFanFTW, Not without a MAJOR shakeup and retooling with some quality players…… Oh wait, according to DL, we have those already!
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Marty Mcsorley … Thrown in our face all game .. Enough said ……(bill Buckner )
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RYC Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:51 pm
@Rudedogg, Rich should add his name to the list of things you can’t type here!
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I have always stuck up for Terry Murray. He has had the most success of any Kings coach since Andy Murray.
Just frustrating. This series should be tied.
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Just waiting for the cookie cutter remarks from the players:
Brown: “Umm, uh well we just didn’t get pucks deep, everyone just has to go home tonight and look in the mirror and figure things out. They have a really good team over there. Backs are against the wall so we gotta come out ready.”
Doughty: “Well Definitely you know, we thought we were pretty solid and we just got a few bad bounces and we’ll just put this game behind us and get ready for the next one.”
Quick: “It starts from the net out. I need to be better. We need to be better. We can’t think about this one, just put it behind us and move forward.”
Greene: “I don’t think we played that badly, we just got some bad breaks against us. Give credit to them for capitailizing on our mistakes, but I thought we did ok. We’ll bounce back.”
Terry Murray: “I thought our compete level was good. Winning puck battles on the boards, intensity, we just couldn’t put it together on the power play. We had two 5 on 3′s and didn’t score and that was the difference in the game tonight. Special teams. They have a real good team over there and we gave them too many opportunities to show it. We just have to be better and play within the system. We got away from the system and that cost us.”
You can just go stratight to the Game summary Rich, the interviews are done already. You work hard. Just trying to help out.
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JacquesQ Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:52 pm
@Cynic, Dont forget “We didnt bring our A game.”
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number 6 Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:52 pm
@Cynic,
I wish you could see my face right now. I’m sorry, I feel bad for the players, but can’t stop laughing. Reminds me of an old friend of mine that I haven’t seen in years. The only difference is, before starting the comments we would have said ‘Oh Geeez’
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Bkrs-Bud Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:40 pm
@Cynic, You are killing me.
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Will Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:45 pm
@Cynic, hahahhahahahah u made my day, thx u for that….. amazing u got it it right on the money…
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I’m very sorry but this is a mind bogglingly BAD TRADE by DL. For someone who couldn’t wait to get rid of POS, well, at least POS contributed on the scoresheet. Personally (and I’m serious about this) I wouldn’t mind getting rid of Penner now. Take your losses (essentially two first round draft picks) and write it off to experience.
It’s clearly silly to blame everything on him as it’s the whole team, but he’s such a symbol in a sense of the poor effort and mistake plagued play that has consumed them so much sense he was acquired.
I can’t believe that DL didn’t research this one more thoroughly. There is clearly a reason why he had a poor reputation and it’s unlikely at his age that he’s gonna change. If they didn’t think Moulson was gonna change I can’t imagine how they think that Penner will.
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RYC Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:55 pm
@number 6, Another guy they gave up on too soon was Brian Boyle, he has really impressed me with the Rangers. What did they get for him, a third round pick?
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neil Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 10:57 pm
@number 6, Does his salary count against the cap if he is waived??
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Kevin Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:00 pm
@neil, Yes
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Bogus Dude Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:08 pm
@neil,
Not if he’s in the minors. Manchester 2011/2012, here I come !!!
If he’s waived, approx. 1.6 mil will count toward the cap. NOT.
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Tony Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:01 pm
@number 6, What do you expect from a guy who traded Cammileri for nothing!
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Clearly the Kings played the type of game they wanted according to TM. This obviously is the fans’ fault.
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Its okay guys, out if those twelve goals, none of them are Quick’s fault. Wow, crazy… Everyone watch and enjoy the kings last game of the year on saturday. But Quick is the champ, right? Oh, yea. Twelve goals in two games…. Think back to thier regular season, those of u who watched all games like me will know how many times quick has bailed out the kings. hes all out of bail outs for the playoffs. The fact is, he’s, in no way playing like he was, or could be. Of course the rest of the team could use some work, but our life line, last line of defense, is failing. If only there were shootouts in the playoffs. The KINGS would be leading the series 3 to 1
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:00 pm
@A cup before I die, yea Quick save the Kings butts too much he all out of it
Dont blame him for this series the team didnt help him out like they did in game 2
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I think I hear the fat lady singing…
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Could Dustin Brown hit the reset button he was talking about already!!!
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there’s also a lack of leadership on the ice, which shouldn’t be overlooked. Brown is a energy guy, but I don’t think he should be wearing the “C” next year. He just isn’t the the type to light into the guys in the dressing room, call out the veterans, etc. Great public face of the organization, yes, but not a leader of men. Not one leader on the ice tonight. Or behind the bench. Give the “C” to Kopitar, it’s his team; his leadership is missed right now as much as his skill level.
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Pesus Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:33 pm
@ziggy,
I agree, you dont give the C to the player who has been here the longest, you give it to the leader. I dont see brown as the vocal leader in the locker room this teams needs.
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ziggy Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:45 pm
@Pesus, Yep. That’s why Toews was named captain of the Blackhawks in his second season (or Yzerman in Detroit at age 21, etc). Not to say that Kopi is for sure ‘that guy’, but I sure don’t see ‘that guy’ on the ice right now in Brown and company.
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Is Penner under contract for next season? I have never seen a more uncaring player. Reminds me of a prima donna NFL receiver. He skates like a duck caught up in an oil slick….oh wait!
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@Harty, martinez and doughty’s grades are bit extreme…
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If you told me the kings would score 12 goals in games 2-4, I would have told you they’d be up 3-1 in the series
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The problem… Quick is distracted by a year old baby……
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another problem…..Toronto needs to review those goals…I only saw 2 that actually went in…
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I’m just as disapointed as everyone but blaming one player Penner when u lose by 6 goal both home games tells u what kind of team we have can’t wait for the excuses at the next GM breakfest he will proably day were young and still need to learn same old BS
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I wonder if any responsibility for Kings lack of depth will ever be accepted by Lombardi ?
Probably not.
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WOW. Utterly embarrassed.
I did catch hell here when I voiced my disappointment with the Penner trade. He was labelled a lazy sloth by many different hockey people, and thoroughly proved them correct in this debacle. I would have benched him in place of Moller, because at least with Moller would get some semblance of competition and desire to play the game. The reason he did anything in Edmonton was because he wasn’t playing for anything. He had zero pressure one him, but in this series he looks completely lost, and is merely looking forward to paydays and tee-times.
I truly don’t know why I should care so much regarding the outcome, the players of this team don’t seem to so why should I?
Our result shouldn’t surprise anyone either, the GM does absolutely nothing to improve this team in the off-season, (please don’t tell me about Kovalchuk…ever heard of a plan B) besides sign injury prone, lazy or second-tier players. The teams that move forward have numerous impact players, we have numerous support players and character guys. We got beat the last two post seasons by teams that have what we DO NOT.
To be completely honest the wheels came off Tuesday in the second period. Another person posted that it is so hard because of the way the team lost tonight, and that is so very true. This sharks team was so beatable for the Kings, the Kings had an upset in the making, and that is another tough pill to swallow.
Another season down the tubes, another disappointment. I should be used to this type of let-down… I’m a Kings fan
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A cup before I die Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:09 pm
@LicoriceBiscuit, I feel your pain, I really do
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The sharks just have to much fire power and we dont. The Kopitar loss is huge, defensively, how many times is he there in a game to take control of the puck from the two defenseman down low? His twenty minutes a game is a huge loss in the grand scheme of things. Lay off Penner, when has he ever been an offensive power house in his career? He needs a dominant center to get him the puck. He is not a player that carries the puck and scores. The center needs to get him the puck in order for him to be successful. Handuz is not that kind of center, he plays defense and chips in the occassional goal. This team is fine but young, they are learning a lesson which is much needed. We will mature dramatically from this experience and be better for it in the future. The core of this team has great heart and desire so I expect great things to come in the future. Schenn, Kitsin, Toffoli, Holloway, King, Kozun, Voyonov etc etc etc, once these kids are added to the core great times ahead for the Kings and fans. Stay the course people, I cant wait till next year when Kopitar and Penner have an entire season together, you’ll see, somebody write this down. Our defensive depth is in place, our goaltending depth is in place, just waiting on the forward depth to catch up but it is coming. I am proud of this team they responded to the challenge of life without Kopitar and they tried but could not be world beaters, so what.
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Dave Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 1:09 am
@Kings29, great post. good to see some level-headed fans in here.
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Someone should have punched that Nichols in the face not one person got in his face for what he did to doughty
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Everyone can point fingers wherever they want. As much as I HATE to say it we are way out matched. Way too many weapons for the guppies. Kopitar or no Kopitar would pretty much be the same result. Our team is still young and having trouble keeping composure for 60 minutes.Game 2 was the perfect game we hear everyone talk about. How hard is it to play multiple perfect games in a row?Pretty impossible . One game at a time from here and hope for the best. Defiantly play better on the road .
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CB14 Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:33 pm
@framer31, Yeah we’re out matched, but we’re not out matched enough to give up 12 goals in 2 games. The first game of the series is what I expected this series to be like. A low scoring affair with the difference being 1 goal in OT. Not giving up 6 goals in consecutive games considering how good we were defensively this year.
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Dave Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 1:10 am
@framer31, i agree that we are out-gunned w/o Kopitar but i truly believe the Kings win the series if Kopi is playing.
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I think next season, Penner should play with Loktionov and Holloway, that would be a good line for him. Maybe he could halp Manchester win the Calder Cup!
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October will be here soon enough and, in no time, we will get to go through this over again
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Wow! Why all the negativity tonight. There is always next game.
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I brought up Penner not as a reason, but a facet. 12 goals in 2 games is a team issue.
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Three questions for next year for discussion:
1) Do you cut Smyth?…with a cap number at 6.25 million…business he’s not worth that…seen the numbers and we’re starting to get up against the cap…would you pull the trigger (I don’t think he’s tradeable). I could see both ways (slow and showing age)…but has value at times.
2) Trade Stoll?…think he’s tradeable…and really look at our centers Kopi-Lokti-Schenn-Lewis/Richie…problem no proven face-off person.
3) Trade Quick or Bernier?…know you could trade either one and really need to decide who’s #1 clear cut no looking over shoulders…I think either one will be good for us (I think both will win the cup at some point in their career).
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A cup before I die Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:21 pm
@Duckhunter, so what you are really asking is, do you destroy a team and take them back to square one? the answer is no. take some time during a game and stop focusing on what smyth and stoll do wrong, and notice the things they can do. Our young talent would be nothing without them. Post attention to the whole game and you’d know.
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A cup before I die Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:24 pm
@A cup before I die, I meant pay attention. The kings have spent years trading players away before they develop. I hope they wouldn’t make the same mistake again
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Bkrs-Bud Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:49 pm
@A cup before I die, Sign brad richards from dallas and send stoll to the 3rd line or off the team i do not care much which one it is.
Duckhunter Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 12:21 am
@A cup before I die, removing 3 players is not blowing it up….Stoll because when Lokti was up he did look fairly good…of course all the reports on Schenn…do I want to send him on his way no (+50% on face-off)…but is it possible that DL trade him…don’t think it’s out of the realm…Smyth again don’t think DL does it because it creates more issues at LW…but in the cap era 6.25…if you buy him out you save 3 million next year that you could address some holes in your club (but we’ve not had great luck in attracting FAs any way so point is probably mute).
Last thing if you could get a #1 LW by trading either Quick or Bernier you wouldn’t pull the trigger on it (let’s just say Parise for arguments sake)?
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LicoriceBiscuit Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:28 pm
@Duckhunter,
Handzues and Poni happy trails.
Smyth – perhaps Edmonton wants him back for his last season
Stoll – truly he is a third line center.
One of the goalies probably should go, because we have talent in Manchester.
The truth is we are a team of support players, and I agree with another poster regarding Brown, Cindy Brady is not our Captain. He is a third/(border) second-line checker.
How do you jettison Richardson after the way he has played the last couple weeks?
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A cup before I die Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:41 pm
@LicoriceBiscuit, and thats why you are not a coach or GM
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:48 pm
@LicoriceBiscuit, i wont trade Quick or Bernier
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Bkrs-Bud Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:51 pm
@LicoriceBiscuit, Richardson has proved he is a playoff gamer.
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Duckhunter Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 12:03 am
@LicoriceBiscuit, I didn’t you have a choice between Lewis and Richie for the 4th line center…
I think some tough choices are coming for DL whether cup likes it or not…do I see us keeping Smyth yes (but could you blame DL for dumping his cap number in order to use 1/2 of it 3 million to fill holes in your line up)…same for Stoll when you have 2 young centers in the wings (again don’t see it happening…but still a thought)…lastly if you truly want to address your 1st line LW problem I think one of our goalies is going to have to be in the deal (I really don’t think you could go wrong with either of them as #1…they’ll both be starters in the league for a long time).
Last thing you need to look at our cap space (and I know we probably get rid of Zeus and Poni this year)…we signed Johnson to a new contract…DD is up for a new one next year…Simmonds, Richie, Moller, Lewis…all are RFAs so they’ll probably get a little raise…I saw numbers on that and depending on DD we could be about a 1 million over…depending on how much the cap raises???
Cup…I realize these guys importance to the team…I do pay attention what they do but if we want to keep the young core together…Smyth is going to go after next year…same with Stoll…the only question I’m asking do you do it one year sooner to address our LW problem…or is our LW problem not as bad as I think it is?
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Rod Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 1:30 am
@Duckhunter, you can’t trade away veterans who have been there and done that for young, unproven rookies. That’s why we’re in the position we’re in right now, too many young, inexperienced guys both up front and on defense. I think this team needs to stay together with the exception of Zues and Poni, Poni is a disappointment and Zues was good while it lasted but his career is about to end. We need one big name signing this offseason to compliment Kopitar, Brown, Williams and Smyth. If we can trade Penner, that will be worth it. This guy clearly didn’t want to be an LA King, he’s shown that.
Kings x Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 2:15 am
@LicoriceBiscuit, Mitchell or Greene as captain
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BringBackKingston Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 12:05 am
@Duckhunter,
i think one big problems with wholesale changes like you propose is where are replacement bodies coming from and the make up of the team with new personnel.
1) he is untradable. and even if you do trade or cut him that essentially leaves open two spots on the left side (poni shouldn’t get re-signed). unfortunately for the kings, it is clear they still need a 1st line left wing. penner and clifford cover the 2nd and 3rd line, leaving the 4th line open. how does DL fill the 1st line? I don’t think there are any FAz. A trade is always possible but will probably be hard to pull off. and I don’t think there is anyone in the minors who can adequately fill a top line left wing starting next season. I think DL lets poni walk and fills the one opening from the minors.
2) if you trade stoll and let zeus walk that means down the middle you have kopitar returning from a major injury, a 2nd year pro, and 2 rookies. with that down the middle, there is no way the kings make it to the playoffs. I think DL will let zeus walk and schenn and loki can fight over the one open spot.
3) DL doesn’t do anything with them. the jury is still out on both of them. is quick a playoff goalie? can bernier solidify his spot as a bona fide #1. i think next year bernier gets in more games. a decision on them gets made the year after, which also coincides with both penner and smyth’s contracts being up. DL can then use one of the goalies to make a trade for a left winger.
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Duckhunter Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 12:12 am
@BringBackKingston, This was more of the discussion I wanted…thanks for the opinion…just wanted to know what people would think or if they’d see DL making these moves why or why not?
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Dave Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 1:17 am
@Duckhunter, my opinion for next year…
don’t re-sign Handzus or Poni
re-sign Richardson, Simmonds and Doughty…
start the year with these lines…
Penner-Kopitar-Williams
Smyth-Stoll-Brown
Clifford-Schenn-Simmonds
Richie-Lewis-Westgarth/Holloway
if you think Loktionov is ready to play center see if you can move Stoll to get another top-6 forward.
i’d also look at moving Martinez and possibly Parse and let Muzzin/Hickey/Voynov get a shot to play with Greene.
don’t touch the goalie situation. Jones needs another year in Manchester and both Bernier and Quick are signed to good deals.
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Some observations. Kings hold SJ scoreless for 85 minutes during games 2/3 and score 8 goals in the process. Is that bad coaching? Lack of talent? Cliche, cliche, cliche? That is a team with heart showing the hockey world that no matter how bad the odds are stacked against them they are going to fight to the death. Then SJ scores in game 3 and the friggin wheels come off, a total collapse. What is that? “they’re young”, “inexperienced” Really? No! They are lacking the one thing that they have always been lacking….completeness. there has always been “something” missing, and when is management going to provide it. We lost our #1 offensive player, and nobody else stepped up. JW…BR…RS…DD(offensively)gave it their best. Quick stood on his head in the first tonight. I’m rambling and need to move on. Why guy’s?….why?
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PP Anybody? Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:36 pm
@TiredOfIt, Series are about adjustments. That’s why it’s best of seven. Teams win a game, then the next game, or the next period, you make an adjustment. Sure, this team is not ready for a Stanley Cup yet. It needs to shed a couple players, and a couple. But this series, actually should be winnable for the Kings. The Kings showed that they could beat the Sharks with this group on the ice. SJ made some adjustments, and now they are winning. TM is either blind, or too stubborn, for he has made no adjustments whatsoever up to this point. Case in point, why didn’t he shorten his bench and double shift the Richardson line? Everytime they were on the ice they seemed to generate scoring chances, and SJ has shown no ability to contain them whatsoever. Yet, he continued to play Penner, and Westgarth.
This is definitely a lot about coaching. Momentum shifts have been everything in this series, and TM fails to notice them AT ALL. Murray has consistantly let this team fall back on it’s heals, and never get’s them to push back, and that’s been an issue all season. Would it help if we had Kopi, and add some more talent next season? Of course. But that doesn’t change the mismanagement of this teams assets from period to period. Something else needs to change next year, if we are to learn anything and advance more than a round.
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PP Anybody? Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:37 pm
@PP Anybody?, supposed to have read : “It needs to shed a couple players, and a ADD couple”
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TiredOfIt Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:43 pm
@PP Anybody?, Very well said. Point taken
Probably the best game the Kings have played this series. Penner really stepped up and took control out there. TM is definately a master mind that once again out coached his oposition. EXCELLENT GAME!!! keep up the good work boys!!! The adjustments made on the power play were pure genious. Really looking forward to the Stanley Cup Finals. Sure we are not out of the first round yet and are down 3 games to 1, but I like to look at the positive side even if I make half the stuff up in an attempt to convince myself that this alternate reality is the truth. I am just tired of holding myself in the fetal position and rocking back and forth in the shower after psychotic breaks caused by watching these King games. Bring my straight jacket and my Thorazine.
GO KINGS GO!!!
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A cup before I die Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:30 pm
@THE HOCKEY DON, yea, cause you need it because I don’t think you are watching the same series as the rest of us.
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PP Anybody? Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:41 pm
@THE HOCKEY DON, Well take your Thorazine, and relax cause Bernier will win us the next 3 games straight with shutouts and we will win the Cup after all! Yay!
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THE HOCKEY DON Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:45 pm
@PP Anybody?,
I like it!!! GKG!
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Bogus Dude Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:49 pm
@THE HOCKEY DON,
Too funny !!
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Start Bernier next game. This is rapidly becoming unwinnable, and even if we do win somehow the second round will see us off for sure. Might as well let the other guy have a taste. It might do us better in the long run to blood the backup than to start Quick in a lost series.
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Andy Murray would have pulled the goalie with 10 minutes left in the 3rd.. I’m sorry folks, our biggest problem is speed, speed, and more speed… the sharks have plenty of it and we have basically none. there is a big reason why Richy is our best player.. it’s because he is our fastest player. we have too many slow lunks out there. Our coaching is embarrassing too. I’ve never seen a coach stick to his guns like Murray… Well you’re sticking to your guns coach… nice guns, not. Why not give Bernie a shot on Saturday? Is it cause you already said before the playoffs that “its Quick all the way.” If I’m not mistaken, I’m pretty sure “Blue line” Stauber played most of the first round against Calgary in 1993.. You can be creative and retroactive, coach. Why not shake it up. Why not let a kid come in and maybe stand on his head… and make the sharks doubt their abilities for a game or 2… who knows. maybe Bernie is the next Bill Ranford? Remember what he did in ’90? But we know Terry, you’ve already mapped out our cup run on paper, so please don’t switch it up. I can’t take any more false hope from this version of the “hapless” Kings. So go up there and either destroy the Sharks or get shellacked.. don’t have our season end on an overtime winner by Clowe,, Jeez, that would suck so much. Win big or go home. And buy out Penner the day after we’re eliminated. I can’t take this guy taking up a spot on this team, when you have guys in the minors that would give the right eye to play in the NHL. I felt like i was cheated on in the game on Tuesday.. Now I feel like I can’t trust this team again until some big moves are made.. Starting with head coach and the awful PP coach.. then we fix the speed issues.. Hopefully by then, DD and JJ will have grown up enough to make veteran decisions with the puck. DD tries too hard and JJ tries too hard not make an impact on the game. I really don’t want to see the same squad in the fall. but, i think it will pretty much be the same. Schenn will be here instead of Zus… And the rest will be the same. GKG!!!
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THE HOCKEY DON Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:36 pm
@C leb,
Excellent rant my brother…I agree 100% with you
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C leb Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 1:07 am
@THE HOCKEY DON, Thanks man.. just wish things were different. but, thems the cards we’ve been dealt.
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Kings in CO Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 6:41 am
@C leb, Right on point…..we need speed, speed and more speed.
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Duckhunter Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 8:17 am
@C leb, Didn’t TM say his goalie plan is always in pencil…take out the eraser and put Bernier in…I’m a Quick fan, I know most of the goals he has given up most goalies would have given up, but if management and coaching staff thinks and believes that they have 2 goalies of equal ability then goalie number 2 needs if nothing else to be evaluated to see if he is ready to take the step forward and separate himself…I have to be honest Quick has been average (in the playoffs you need above average…if not miracle worker..if your team is to win the cup).
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Ha ha I can’t believe I am railing so hard on Brown…just upset. Sorry fellow fans
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Bogus Dude Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:53 pm
@LicoriceBiscuit,
It’s ok. I’m a realist and never really point the finger directly at anyone. All the negative comments are from 40 years of frustration.
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What else was out there ??? I guess we could of went after Neal …kovalev was available at the deadline Stop saying DL Didnt do his homework. he had to take the gamble the guy had offensive skills and we needed a guy who finish.. Nice tap in brown …how wide open of a net do u need to realize u could just walk it in…
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Bright idea!!!! Let’s suit up Jimmy and Marty!! After Kopi went down, Penner has been non existent. So hard to say that see you guys next year. Kings defeated themselves in game 3 in the second period. looks like it’s spiraling down :..( We need alot of speed and a goal scorers
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Jess from two months ago..
Why did TM stop rotating the goaltenders well before post season? We were 9-n-1 and then TM stops the successful policy right around when kopi was injured. But if rotating the goalies every other game gives them confidence and creates a little healthy competition (which the team feeds off of) then why pull the plug on one of the few strengths you have with two forwards down?
Why? Because TM is Peter Sellers in Being There, that’s why. Go rent the movie.
Not a chess player (needed to be a coach and…) No instinct on psychology (also needed to be a coach)..
Season over..
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THE HOCKEY DON Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:47 pm
@jess,
Where is Anthony Robins when we need him?
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Bogus Dude Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:55 pm
@THE HOCKEY DON,
He’s a Cubs fan (ha, ha)
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seriously look, the only thing they can do right now, i mean now, is AEG fire DL and TM then bench Quick and Penner. the management decisions in the last 2 games are, to say the least, rookie. but we all know AEG have no interest in the kings and probably dont even know the kings are playing right now, very sad.
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Maybe the organization should scrap this whole “Back in Black” campaign. All it ever aymbolize is the death of our season on home ice. What the hey, put in Harrold and Moller for Game 5 and scratch Penner and Westy. Could it be any worse? In fact, let Bernier get a chance to experience playoff hockey without any pressure.
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Moondoggie Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:52 pm
@gr81scores, I think Bernier would be a good choice at this point. It just might ignite the Kings. They need something right now or they’re going to be 5 & out.
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No offense, no defense, no pp, very few faceoffs. What system is that ? Out coached again just like last year, time for a change !!!!!
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Lines for next game:
Williams-Stoll-Brown
Moller-Handzus-Smyth
Clifford-Richardson-Simmonds
Ponikarovsky-Lewis-Westgarth
Don’t even let Penner play.
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jess Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:51 pm
@Oscar Moller’s Beard, last sentence, key.
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jess Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:52 pm
@jess, I meant that of course but throw TM into that equation.
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Kings x Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 2:12 am
@Oscar Moller’s Beard, Westgarth had a better game than Penner by far.
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I had the Fins in 5; it looks like a pretty good bet at this point. I can’t complain. The Kings had me higher than high after game 2; after the last two games, all I can say is, it’s going to be a long summer for us Kings fans. We need some scoring; our youth will finally be served, just not as soon as we’d all hoped. Let’s give it your best boys for game 5 in SJ, possibly one last hurrah for this season. You guys have ignited us all year. Thanks for the memories.
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Bkrs-Bud Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:58 pm
@Moondoggie, I saved game 2 to watch during the summer when i need a hockey fix lol.
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Mikey J. Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 12:11 am
@Moondoggie, Yeah, I feel a lot more on our way than usual.
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nykingfan Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 5:24 am
@Moondoggie,
Nice post man!
Someone with sense and a grip of reality!
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Is Dave Tippett available?
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Bkrs-Bud Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 11:59 pm
@ziggy99, We can dream.
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L.A. really had no chance against SJ w/o Kopitar and the fact that they won a game in SJ and took two games to OT is impressive. blaming TM is ridiculous. he has done an admirable job with what he has to work with. i never would have thought that the Kings would have missed Kopitar more defensively than offensively but that clearly has been the case. the Kings have given up a ton of odd-man rushes and that doesn’t happen when Kopi is on the ice.
the Kings could have won all four games and they just couldn’t finish them. this is great experience for the young players and will only help them in the future.
i would play Bernier in game 5 just for the experience. i don’t see how you can blame Quick on the majority of goals but it’s worth giving the kid a shot and see what happens.
sometimes you just don’t have enough bullets to win and that is clearly the case here. the Game 3 loss really was the end of the series as you can’t give away games when you are such a big underdog.
but i only see this team getting better next year. we don’t lose anyone of major significance, we have Penner for a full season with Kopitar (i don’t care what anyone says, Penner will score at least 30 with Kopitar) and Schenn should be ready. i understand it’s frustrating to lose and waiting until next year, but every year the Kings keep improving and if Kopitar didn’t get hurt I think the Kings would have easily got to the 2nd round.
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Rod Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 1:11 am
@Dave, I respect your view but the point is to win even when a player or two goes down…that’s what good teams do.
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Dave Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 1:22 am
@Rod, of course that’s the point but it never happens. can you name a team that has made serious noise in the playoffs w/o their best player? the Kings aren’t to that point yet. Kopi is the lynchpin to this team – he’s their top scorer by far, their best defensive player, the power play runs through him and he’s one of the best penalty killers.
if there was one player that means more to this team more than any other it is Kopitar by far. it happens and you do the best you can without him, but realistically, the Kings have played better than I could have expected them to and if not for a really poor 15 minutes in Game 3 the series would be 2-2 going back to SJ.
i understand why everyone is so doom and gloom but to me this team has far exceeded expectations in this series and really has no business playing SJ so close w/o Kopitar.
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Rod Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 1:36 am
@Dave, I agree with Kopitar, he’s really the only King up front that is truly skilled. Everyone else is more of a gritty-type, put the garbage in the net type of player. However, even with Kopitar, San Jose’s skills are far superior and unless there are at least one or two more Kopitars on this team come October, we’re going to be the same team, making the playoffs as a low seed and getting ousted in 5 or 6 games.
penguin76 Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 7:39 am
@Dave,
Pittsburgh is doing pretty good without their two best players. they’re currently up 3-1 on Tampa, but who knows how far they’ll go.
Dave Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 8:50 am
@Dave, Pittsburgh also had half a season to adjust. Plus, I wouldn’t put Tampa Bay in the same category as SJ.
Seems like everytime the Kings score, they’re flukey goals that hit an opponents stick or the goalie couldn’t hold on to it etc… when the Sharks score, they look good. Clearly, their offensive capabilities are far, far superior than what the Kings can put on the ice this season. Right, we have a better defense, but it’s still young and can be penetrated as is clearly evidenced by giving up 12 goals in 2 games. I don’t want to say it’s over cause it’s not, winning 3 in a row is not likely but it’s possible, especially if you take it one game at a time, but this offseason needs to be big. A big offensive name or two needs to sign and compliment Kopitar, Brown, Williams, and maybe Smyth.
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Kings in CO Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 6:37 am
@Rod, SJ Agree. We need more speed and skill up front. The big, slow players are not a factor is this new speed game.
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I really hope joe thorton had family or a girlfriend in attendance in section 108. When he started blowing kisses to that section which had SJ fans in it I nearly lost it. If that is not the case, I no longer respect him as a professional athlete. I used to respect him for his ability and agreed with bostons opinion at the time of the trade as well as current popular opinion that he doesn’t have what it takes to lead his team in the post season. Yes I was at the game in 110. All I can tell you with as much certainty as the sun rising tomorrow is that even if we dont come back in this series, SJ will get absolutely smoked by Detroit or vancouver. They simply are not the caliber of team to make it further and they are a team past their collective prime on the downslope. This window of opportunity is closing quickly.
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They’re not going to fire TM. Reassign the C to mitchell or Greene. Zeus and poni are gone. Schenn moves in. Stoll moves down. Lotki comes in. We sign another scorer. Penner moves down. Goaltending doesn’t change. Basically out with some of the big bodied, slow, old and expensive and replaced with youth and speed. Adding some veteran scoring punch. We really should be able to fill all the voids in our personnel. And I hate to say it but kampon stays employed.
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a couple of things, i want to apologize to Rich and the crew working the blog here. i lost it and got a little emotional last night and let it get the best of me.
second, Drew Doughty has some maturing to do. the kid has all the talent in the world, but also has a bulls-eye on his back. he has to learn to control his emotions, take a number and get the guy back later in the game. Doughty isn’t going to fight so its pointless for him to get into a shouting match with anyone. lay them out with a big hit, score a goal, take a run at one of their star players, this is the way Drew needs to get back at players like that. he’s gonna get himself or someone else on the team hurt if he continues to get into these exchanges with players like Nichol and Downie. huge momentum swing when Nichol took Doughty off the ice for 2 minutes. and what do ya know, no post game comments from tough guy Drew.
third, i’m not sure why anyone would continue to place any blame on Quick for either of these past two losses. a total team breakdown cannot be blamed on the goalie. the score last night could’ve easily been 10-3 were it not for Quick. i understand the people who say play Bernier to try to jump start the team and try something different, that actually works every now and then. but to place any blame on Quick for the piss poor performance by the guys in front of him is reaching for something that isn’t there.
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Duckhunter Reply:
April 22nd, 2011 at 8:36 am
@penguin76, Totally agree with second and third comment…DD needed to handle it your way or let someone like Westie or Clifford take care of the problem…Kind of understand DD’s frustration at getting run at (but welcome to being an elite defensemen…Lidstrom went through it, Niedermeyer went through it), let your teammates stand up for you.
Quick was average in this series…we needed for him to steal the series for us…he didn’t/couldn’t…good goalie potential to be great…we do need to see if Bernier can stand on his head and be great (I’m calling for a change…for a simple evaluation of Bernier…we need to know what he can do)…and to be honest I don’t think it will matter because it will be the same old break down defensively and Bernier like Quick won’t be able to save it.
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It’s the system guys and gals. Get rid of this defensive system, install a offensive system and watch the Kings go!
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what is needed, a new coaching team and a new system, offensive, the other team can’t score if you are attzcking. also penner is being played in a role that is not his style, just like what they tried to do with in edmonton. he is not responsible for the bad defense. quick deserved a lot better, he played a great game, with no help from the defense. rich, clif,and sims are the only players stepping up their game for the playoffs, just like last year, the team can’t finish or play 60 minutes.
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