Given the circumstances — a series deficit, coming off last night’s stunning Game 3 collapse — the Kings seemed to be in relatively good spirits today. There was no mass exodus from the locker room after practice, as players seemed comfortable lingering and answering all questions from reporters about what happened last night and how the Kings might he able to rebound from it. Terry Murray was able to retain his dry humor, as his interview session started with a question about what he did this morning in an attempt to break down video and make sense of the loss. “I said good morning to my wife…,” Murray said, breaking the ice and getting laughs from reporters. That said, Murray turned serious and talked about today’s review with players, and the perceived need for lineup stability. Murray started by discussing how he reviewed the game with the coaching staff and then brought it to players with video review…
MURRAY: “We did both, and that’s just normal. That’s the process we’ve been going through for the last two years, three years here. We have constant reviews of how we played, which I spoke to the coaching staff about this morning, and we edit the game down and we have a team meeting, showing video and then talk about what’s on my mind and what I see.”
Question: And what was foremost on your mind?
MURRAY: “The bottom line, in the playoffs, is that we embarrassed ourselves. We played a terrible game. Now what you have to do is, how do you deal with that kind of performance? We have to bounce back tomorrow and we have to play our best game. It’s as simple as that. That’s what the playoff demand. You can’t linger on what has happened. You do address it, you do talk about it and have a meeting and point out several key areas that you were concerned about, as a coaching staff — which we did — and now we’ve got to move on.”
Question: It looks like you’ve resisted the temptation to blow up the lines. Did you think it was important not to show a sense of panic?
MURRAY: “Very important. For me, as a coach, it’s very important. It was a bad game. It was a poor performance. And it was a poor performance for 20 minutes, really. The first period, obviously there were a lot of good things happening, when you get a lead the way we did. Still we had concerns coming out of the first period, the way we managed the puck. But the second period was chasing the game. You just can’t allow yourself to get into that exchange of rushes, a track meet kind of a game. So we addressed that at the end of the second period. I thought we came back in the third a little bit better, and gave ourselves an opportunity going into the overtime. That’s what it’s all about, as a young hockey club. You’ve got to be able to deal with this kind of adversity. it’s all about attitude right now. To me, this is a touchstone kind of a game for these young players. Some day they’re going to look back at this and they’re going to say, `OK, it happened. We remember what it was, we talked about it, we know we have to be better in this situation.”’
TM calmed me down.
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Terry Murray, even worse, you embarassed the fans. You shoulda been booed off the ice again.
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whodawat Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
@Capt Jam, Personally I don’t care what each entry is about. There NEEDS to be a ‘Dustin Penner is the devil’ theme in all of them!
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
@whodawat, LMAO PENNER is a devil that made me laugh but yea he nothing
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
@Capt Jam, agreed
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GOKINGSGO Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
@Capt Jam, Relax bro, youll be singing his praises if they win on thursday. Has been a fantastic team effort all year. PLaying so well without Kopi, hanging in there to atleast have a shot at winning. Any person on this website who thinks BOOing a team off the ice is a way to encourage better play is inept.Most important thing is not to dwell, realize that a win tomorrow and the series is tied, half-way through and its still up for grabs. Keep it positive Kings fans this team is too young and too talented to start the who BOOing thing. Stick it out sir, send positive vibes, we neeed all the confidence we can muster going into game four!
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Michelle Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
@Capt Jam, I hope not. I think it would be even more humiliating if the fans stooped to booing the team. I mock Shark fans for “supporting” their team game two, and I hope Kings fans are better than that. Yeah they blew it, but I don’t think sending them off with a total lack of fan support is going to help matters. Just my opinion.
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let's be frank Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
@Capt Jam, no they didn’t. Booing would have been lame in this situation. I am pretty sure the players are aware they didn’t have a good second period.
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I wonder if Rich ever conveys the anger on the blog to the players and coaches after losses like this one…
For example, I’d love to see TM’s response to why he didn’t call a timeout when it got to 4-2 (or at any point). Why not pull Quick to rattle the team’s collective cage? Does he fear it would show desparation and a lack of control on his part?
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whodawat Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
@Capt Jam, TM already said why he didn’t in the post game quotes. He felt the TV timeouts were enough for him to say what needed to be said. I’m sure if he was asked again today, he’d say the same thing
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IceGuy Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
@whodawat,
Well that’s something.
The rest of the hockey world looks at the scoreboard and counts goals.
Terry Murray consults TV Guide for available commercial time.
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GKG-I still believe Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
@Capt Jam,
he addressed both in his quotes last night. He said he didn’t make a goaltender change because the goals were spread apart and didn’t take a timeout because the TV timeouts gave him the time he needed to talk though everything.
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Capt Jam Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
@Capt Jam,
I see. Well, in that case. Terry Murray shoulda been charged a ticket price for watching that game.
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jess Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
@Capt Jam,
Thank you well said and a TV timeout is much different than calling one. Calling a stoppage of play means you are serious about addressing a problem. It sends a message just like switching the goaltender sends a message not always to the goaltender, but the entire team.
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jofa6000 Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
@jess, tm is in love with quick so he would never do anything to hurt his feelings.
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jess Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
@jofa6000,
Well I could be wrong, but sometimes I get the feeling that JQ might appreciate sharing the burden. When TM was switching the two every other game, it yielded amazing results and created some friendly competition between the two. The team seemed to sense this and it appeared to have a positive effect.
Capt. Jam brilliantly pointed out that a major part of coaching is about understanding and using psychology in a variety of situations along with a bit of instinct and timing etc.. and I agree with this 100%.
Capt Jam Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
@Capt Jam,
And presuming what you guys have posted above is true and correct, it really underlines the point in a black, bold Sharpie that Terry Murray has no concept of understanding or managing the psychological aspect of a game in progress. We all saw it. We all knew they needed some fire water thrown in their faces, but he failed us completely. Terry Murray failed to stand up.
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kingsfaninSB Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
@Capt Jam, everyone keeps bashing TM… who do we want? Crawford back??? comon cut him some slack… the team had a horrible game, but wasnt everyone praising him and the team just 4 days ago?? its the playoffs theres allot left in this series, lets see how the kings respond tomorrow night. GKG
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snbrdsummit Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
@Capt Jam,
Like playing Line Change Yahtzee doesn’t show a lack of control?
I watched his speech after the game. He looked lost. I think if someone had asked him a direct question (such as the ones you asked) he would have just repeated his track meet comment. Honestly, I’ve never seen a coach get so much credit for “genius” who couldn’t break down plays and describe situations they needed to work on.
Listen to Bylsma break down a game they lost (see below). He’s able to pinpoint situations where in their loss to the Bruins, they needed to improve. There’s no wonder his team is able to be successful with it’s two best players gone for most of the season.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2WmalCtlgY
Boo him off the ice is right.
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Stuart Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
@snbrdsummit, how about the rest of the pens roster that went deep 2 of the last 3 years and actually won a cup. A lot must be said about experience and pens have it and the Kings don’t. There shouldn’t be a comparison of the two teams…
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Christian T Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
@Capt Jam, I am not a TM fan but I really am amazed at all the NHL coaches that post comments on this blog. There are many openings for you across the NHL. I think TM has taken this team where he was supposed to take them, and it is time for a new coach. BUT, that game was all on the players. They know it. It was what happens to a young team in the playoffs. Taking a time out would not have mattered. Changing the goalie would not have mattered. You take a timeout just because that is what a coach is supposed to do when things get bad. A television timeout is enough time to get your point across and you can see by the result it did not work. The team blew it. We can get on Murray for his lack of a power play system that works or the fact that the team gives up so many goals within 3 minutes of scoring their own. But a timeout that would not have worked? A goalie change just for the sake of making it?
We are all big fans here and sometimes we get emotional, but the team gave an example of why you never get to high or too low last night. It’s one game. All teams have a game like this. We will have better young players because of it.
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jess Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
@Christian T,
Well I’m sick of people on here accusing fans with opinions of trying to be coaches.
Then the irony is that you assert your opinion immediately thereafter as though you are a coaching expert.
“a goalie change for the sake of making a goalie change?” Sure why not? SJ did it and beat us 6-5 in OT remember?
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Bkrs-Bud Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
@jess, Their goalie was terrible that’s why he was pulled.Our whole team choked and there is nothing anyone can do about it, maybe we should move on to the next game and stop whining like shark fans?
KingsBros Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
@Christian T, I’m with you on this. Personally, I think the only people a timeout would have benefited would have been us fans (and even then we would have had plenty else to complain about – Penner, I’m looking at you). Let’s not forget that right after Sharks score goal 3, Stoll and Smyth come right back to make it 5-3, which is pretty much the effort you’re looking for after a timeout is called. Switching goalies may have worked, but if you’re in a 4-3 or even 5-3 game, what’s the impetus there? Only in hindsight, after Sharks score 2 goals in last 2 minutes of the 2nd period does that idea really hold any kind of water. I’d definitely agree that this was all on the players. But it’s also in the past, and it’s still only 1-2 in the series. Plenty of time to take this one back. GKG!
@Jess, I think the issue is less about strong opinions and more about kneejerking, saying TM is single-handedly to blame for the loss because he didn’t make one or two moves that may or may not have had any impact on the game. But to each his own.
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jess Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
@KingsBros,
Good points,
However I scrolled through and had a hard time finding people who blame TM for the loss of the game 100%.
The frustrating thing are the people that try to make the coach (management) completely exempt from accountability. Those people probably don’t understand the role of management and why managers are put in place. If a company has a franchise going down the tubes, they don’t fire the guy in the mail room, they replace the manager. It’s then the manager’s job to identify if the guy in the mail room is a problem then he fires him (for example: TM might considering benching penner etc..) or not..
jess Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
@Bkrs-Bud
I disagree,
Their whole team choked (SJ) and he (SJ Coach) replaced the goaltender to send a message to the team, which then was apparently successful hence the result -which was a win.
We are having a discussion here. There is no whining.
Next Game..
“Embarassed” is to kind a word for what happened last night
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Murray, “For me, as a coach …”.
Terry, you are no coach. You have the title, but you have not demonstrated anything more than being a kindly professor.
Even you must know the old saw: “Those who can, do. Those who can’t, teach.”
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wavesinair Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
@IceGuy,
“Those who can, do. Those who can’t, teach.”
I think you’re onto something here. There appears to be a serious disconnect between Murray’s understanding of x’s and o’s and the finer points of managing the psyche of a young team. He may be softer in tone than his predecessor, but he has not demonstrated an ability to “right the ship” at critical times.
It happened last season in the playoffs and it just so happened after the huge win in San Jose last December. Of course, a young team will go through ups and downs. But I do believe a coach can lessen the swells and help develop an even keel attitude.
I think he struggles with this finer detail quite often.
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number 6 Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
@wavesinair,
Waves, wow. You’re one of the guys whose feedback I really respect on this blog. The last line you wrote…… I’m just sort of closing my eyes and praying it isn’t the case. But I have a nagging suspicion that you’re correct. Let’s put it differently: when I see Bylsma and also the guy who coaches Tampa Bay, I get a different feeling than what I get from TM.
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Turd Ferguson Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 9:15 am
@number 6, That guy in Tampa is Guy Boucher and he’s coached his team to being 3-1 down to an under manned Penguins. And Stamkos has 1 assist. Yeah-he’s awesome.
Stuart Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
@IceGuy, I beg to differ IceGuy, those that CAN, teach!
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Ike Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
@IceGuy, Who would you bring in as coach?
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iansez Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
@IceGuy, He’s not perfect but he’s good.Look at the big picture, this team has come a long way and are still in this series, the sky hasn’t fallen yet.
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bill donnelly Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
@iansez, Are we better off than we were 2 years ago. Absolutely. But teams can not win Championships when they play not to lose.
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Please recall Schenn, it couldn’t be worse could it? It would give him some valuable ice time.
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BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
@utahking,
Valuable…
Yeah, that. An entire year of eligibility lost for… 2 games, perhaps?
If you like Schenn so much, what would you think if he were a free agent one year sooner, AND LEFT?
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number 6 Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
@BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy,
Bako….. honestly, what’s the point? I went thru this before the playoffs started and got some pretty chippy attacks at my pov (that it would not be a good idea to bring him up as he needed time at the ahl level first and second the point you bring up, and third that I was quite certain mgt wouldn’t bring him up).
Some people hold precious to their points of view no matter the explanation.
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Michael J. Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
@utahking,
Yah, that’ll fix it! A 19 year old with two (count ‘em 2) career points…
Bring up Schenn to replace???? Lewis? Richardson? Stoll? Handzus? Which one of them lost the game?
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kevin Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
@Michael J., all of them we couldnt win a faceoff zues was 1 for 17 i think cmon
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i’m embarressed right now for all of us. It won’t feel better unless we win tomorrow
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baby23 Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
@Keith H, Feel the exact same way! I have tickets for tomorrow and I am going to have to put on my happy face! It’s so hard right now. Maybe, a few drinks at the bar will help
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dead horse?
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What I don’t understand is how Penner was even wearing a practice jersey today… He’s “embarassing”…
Justin Williams gets benched last year against vancouver and he was hurt… HE HAD AN EXCUSE FOR HIS PISS POOR PLAY!!!!!
If Penner plays game 4 I have lost any bit of respect for Murray that I had left…
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whodawat Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
@goodguy, amen! Dustin Penner is the devil!
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Ike Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
@whodawat, Penner El Diablo
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NorCalFan Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
@goodguy, Let’s see if TM has the authority to bench Penner. Remember when this trade was announced many thought it was the trade of the season. When Penner found out about the trade he seemed unethusiastic about it and has he not showed any since. I don’t think Lomabardi will let TM bench him because the is the GM who made that trade. Penner makes Frolov look engaged/involved. How often do you even hear Penner’s name mentioned during a game? Is he a scapegoat..sure but it is his fault. It frustrates me to hear about highly paid professionals needing to be motivated for a game they supposedly love.
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Kingsation8 Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
@NorCalFan, What he said in this interview is probably not exactly how he felt. Do you guys honestly think a coach is going to say, “Yeah, that player has been horrible for us?” Think of it from a players’ point of view. “My coach does no have faith in me. So can I even do anything anymore? Can I contribute again?” And for Terry Murray to put his thoughts on a player publicly? I do not think he or any coach for that matter would do that. Singling out a player is something a coach would never do. I am sure that Murray kinda feels the same way that we do about Penner. But again, do you think he would say that about ONE player. I can see why we hate him for not pinning a loss on a team, but on a player? Really?
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goodguy Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
@Kingsation8,
NHL coaches do call out their players it happens a lot more often then you think. The response from the player is usually positive. If I’m making 4.25mil a year in my profession and I can’t get motivated I would expect to be fired.
I really gotta believe and give TM the benefit of the doubt that he, the coaches and players, have privately addressed the Penner issue and have vowed amongst themselves not to take it public. I would not be surprised if they’ve even told reporters not to talk about it because it won’t be answered.
I’d understand that.
The only way we’ll truly know is if Penner has a huge game tomorrow and does not let up for the rest of the playoffs. Of course I want to know everything, but this is one that the proof will just be in the performance I think.
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whodawat Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
@Cynic, Dustin Penner being the devil aside; the thing is, Murray has been on Penner about the exact same stuff almost since he’s gotten here. They address it and nothing changes. Penner is Penner.
And while the loss can’t be blamed solely on him, the thing that irks me the most, is that while guys like Doughty, Johnson, Richardson, etc.. all contributed with bad plays, you can at least see in the way they play that they care. They want to win, they want to make a difference.
Penner on the other hand looks like he’s simply going through the motions. The only time he actually shows a pulse is in the offensive zone when he has the puck. That fat slug looks gassed in every other zone and plays with as much enthusiasm as a rotting corpse.
He is the devil!
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snbrdsummit Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
@whodawat,
This is why TM is in large part to blame. There is obviously a problem… The coach knows and has addressed it… It hasn’t been fixed.. There’s only one obvious solution left, get rid of the problem.
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whodawat Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
@snbrdsummit, in that context, i’d have to agree with you
bill donnelly Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
@snbrdsummit, Penner had this reputation long before he came here. He is not going to change. He got that big fat contract in Edmonton and will only have a big productive season during his next contract year, then back to same old Penner. TM has nothing to do with Penner being a problem and I have been critical of TM in this and other threads.
I think both need to go.
wow the sharks 5th goal doesnt even look like it went in, looks like it hit the crossbar then fell in the crease. i looked it up after BOGUS mentioned it. take a look on utube video titled. . . “Joe Pavelskis goal ties game at 5-5 4/19/11″
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Bogus Dude Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
@KINGS NATION,
If you keep hitting the pause button, the puck clearly does not hit twine. Too bad there isn’t another angle.
Let’s all just forget about this game, grit our teeth and come out with intent and desperation for a full 60 minutes tomorrow. Hope our boys are reading this. Now that some time has passed this morning, the better feeling I’m starting to have about the lesson that will be learned from this let down. Hope I’m right. GKG
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KINGS NATION Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
@Bogus Dude, I agree, lets kick some butt on thursday! GKG!!!
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frazier king Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
@Bogus Dude, man you were right i don`t remember if they stopped to look at it i was sick to my stomach and just assumed they would score ,very good observation.
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Cynic Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
@KINGS NATION, WOW!
It’s pretty clear in the last 5 seconds of the video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hskOrzx_wWc
Totally missed this one! That REALLY Hurts!
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Slim Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 6:42 pm
@Cynic, WOW It didn’t go in..
How is that possible?
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Stuart Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
@Cynic, UNfriggin believable… How does this happen???
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No timeout to settle things down is what’s embarrassing.
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rontheking Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
@kingrussell,
I wonder about that as well…the timeout is not just about chastising a team–it’s also a way to chastise them in a public manner, because everyone (including the fans) is being put on notice that the performance needs to change, and now.
On a slightly different note, two things jumped out at me in the TM interview: first, Murray almost choked himself even as the team did last night and had to discard his gum and, secondly, Rich was there to try to cheer him up by getting him to play a little tune on his harmonica (you could see it there in the right of the screen toward the end of the interview) but Murray was just not in the mood….
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Every team faces adversity during the playoffs. The teams that go deep are the teams that deal with it best. The Kings were getting smoked in game 1, with the early goal, and a poor 1st period, and ended up getting the game deep into the first OT with a real chance to win. The Kings then scored 8 consecutive goals, and then the Sharks responded. Now after a 2nd period meltdown, it’s the Kings turn to get back up. We’ll see if they do.
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First two Kings goals were scored against our 4th line. After that, they became spectators the rest of the evening.
Sharks 4th Line Ice Time (Entire Game)
Eager: 1:07
Mayers: 2:25
Nichol: 3:13
I believe this is why the Sharks were not at it on the ice today. Legs are goosed.
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SJ only won by 1 goal & it took overtime to do for both their wins.
SJ only has a 1 game lead.
SJ is a two seed playing a seven seed.
SJ has been out scored 11-9.
Kings have only played 1 period of bad hockey to this point.
Team loss not one guy.
Lets get em back Thursday.
Go Kings Go!!!
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GOKINGSGO Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
@Jay GoLAKings,
Thank Goodness a glimmer of rationale in an otherwise irratic page of entries
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Sebastian Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
@GOKINGSGO, those are all great things but blowing a 4-0 lead in a playoff game is UNACCEPTABLE!
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David Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
@Jay GoLAKings, Agree on all but 1 period of bad hockey. The 1st in Game 1 and the 2nd in Game 3, 2 periods. Unfortunalty this what causes us a game. If it wouldn’t be for that 20 min and 17 min we could get 3-0 lead. But it’s all shoulda woulda…. reality it’s just completely different.
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vplaza Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
@Jay GoLAKings,
Just to make sure we’re got everything covered:
SJ came back from a 0-4 deficit in one period.
Kings have played 2 periods of bad hockey, hence the 2-1 deficit in the series. (Translation, they can’t take a period off in any game.)
Kings are still questionable on the PP.
Team loss, but there are individuals that are obviously not contributing much.
Let’s hope they can bounce back from the embarrassment on Thursday.
Yes, GKG!
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egold44 Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
@Jay GoLAKings, Couldn’t agree more! Nice summary!!! (And all without Kopitar!)
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Bako, he is possibly a franchise player right? were gonna need to sign a long term contract with him anyway, so it’ll just be a year sooner. Am I out to lunch on this?
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Michael J. Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
@utahking,
Maybe. Realistically, a 19 year old with nine NHL games experience will not be an improvement over Zeus, Stoll, or Lewis. Richardson, maybe-except for the fact that his line has been the best of the series for the Kings. In addition, he hasn’t played the system.
I’ve already dubbed the kid as the King’s version of Messier… But he needs more time before he is ready to play at this level.
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Turd Ferguson Reply:
April 21st, 2011 at 9:23 am
@Michael J., Schenn is Messier???? I’m really curious how many on here have actually watched Schenn play. He’s far from Messier man.
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BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
@utahking,
He has to prove it, right?
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I’d love to be a fly on the wall to see what TM has actually said to Penner and what Penner has actually said back to TM about what’s going on with his game. He plays so lazy out on the ice, it’s ridiculous! Jonesie (VS) referred to him as the Sleepy Giant a few games ago. It’s so true! Why can’t he just SKATE and give his all while out there?! Even if he isn’t happy about playing in LA, you would think he’d play better so another team might want him?! I don’t want to beat a dead horse, because everyone has been going on an on about Penner all day today.
I really do want to move on and look forward to tomorrow nights game. I will be there and cheering them on like crazy. Let’s go boys! GKG!
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Great news! My daughter and her husband will be at the game tomorrow. Kings are 6-0 when they come this year, and haven’t lost in four years when she has been at the game.
I feel good about tomorrow night!
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
@Michael J., i hope ur daughter and her husband rub that luck on the Kings!!
When i go to the Kings game kings usually score 3 and the other team 2 so the score will be 3-2
am a record of seeing Kings win is 2 out of 2 so far need money to go to mostly every games but right now am poor
only made if for one game and that was at the Ducks home when we won 3-2
So hope ur Daughter and her Husband are very good luck
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bill donnelly Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
@Michael J., Get them tickets for the rest of the playoffs. The kings and us fans need all the help we can get.
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I don’t know If I missed it, but why after the first two goals we gave up was there no timeout. I don’t recall there being one, but maybe regrouping and settling the team down might have helped a little, but the sloppy play and fancy passes etc. Started on our first powerplay and it only got worse into and thru the second. Oh well need a big bounce back tomorrow or we’re done!
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bill donnelly Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
@K9, TM doesn’t believe in using them.
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Realitically speaking, LA is only down by a game. It’s not unheard or impossible to still get back in this thing. So what if this was the 4th WORST loss in Stanley Cup Playoff history. So what if the team’s structure went out the door in the face of adversity. So what if Dustin Penner is Satan reincarnate.
As a series overall, no one can say LA has been outplayed by the Sharks. A few bad periods rectified and this could’ve very well been 3-0 LA with a chance to close out on Thursday.
I do believe LA will win on Thursday. There’s alot of character in that room and devil or no devil, this team has guts.
Can you imagine if we end up winning this series…
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rob Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
@whodawat,
Realism is…can the Kings beat the Sharks 3 out of the next 4? Yes, but it will be tough!
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vplaza Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
@rob,
The only way, realistically, that the Kings can beat the Sharks three times is for the team to play smart, solid defensive hockey for 60 minutes each game. They can’t get in a shootout type game with SJ or else they’ll lose. Simple as that. The one game they played hard for the full three periods they won.
Chances they do it again for three games? Anyone?
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bill donnelly Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
@vplaza, Concentrate on playing 60 solid minutes tomorrow night and win game 4 first. Game 4 will determine how far the Kings go
SaveByCechmanek Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
@whodawat, ..thank you! what i’ve been saying all day. Play the game and see what happens!!
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Using all my superpowers, with the assistance of the hockey gods, I was able to crack the code and diagnose the problem. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you…
The anatomy of a meltdown. Also known as, “I think, therefore I lose.”
http://deepinsidethekings.com/2011/04/i-think-therefore-i-lose/
(I know it’s all been covered, but I do think this is a critical point the Kings will need to address in order to succeed down the road.)
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Slim Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 7:40 pm
@wavesinair, Thanks for that..
Deep thoughts by Waves Handy..
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As pissed off as I was last night, it makes me feel better to read about TeMu being so calm. That’s what the team needs. They can’t panic about what happened. They need to fix it. Sometimes it’s really nice to have a coach that doesn’t make panic moves.
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I yelled last nite about calling a time out after the Sharks pulled within 2. Watching the game again today it would’nt have been a bad idea to call one after Marleau got them on the board. Lack of coverage on that goal seemed to be the theme for the rest of the period.
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ok am clam down and sorry if i made bad comments last night about TM or the team or anything to cause to be deleted from the site i was mad but who wasnt that a sign of a good Kings fan that is disappointed how they played last night
but would i like to say am not very please with TM as our Coach yea made us go to the playoff twice..when it was it was last year when he pull Quick when he let in some bad goals or wasnt his fault who knows but at least he did something
This year He didnt even do anything.Call a timeout whne they scoring maybe it will wake up ur team if it didnt work then pull Quick to replace him for Bernier..If that doesnt work then Yell ur guts off at the Kings player for the pathetic play on the second period and OT lost
Then just say i use a TV break,Never hear that before thanks TM Thanks for letting me know there some coach that us TV breaks to talk to their team.
This team needs to be strong 60 mins we all tired of hearing we didnt play full 60 mins blah blah blah blah if they know they should
I am Glad Kings lost that game they deserve to lose that game..The best thing that can come out of that thing is by Waking up the Beast in side them and win Game 4,5,6 we can if they play full 60 mins whatever the score is as long as the Kings are ahed of the Sharks
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Winning tomorrow won’t erase yesterday. Nothing will, so we have to deal with it. There aren’t any wholesale changes available, so we send that same group out that jumped out to the 4-0 lead. Things could be much, much worse than that!! GKG!!!
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Not sure why everyone is bashing Terry Murray. Ok, sure he could have called a time out, but the players on the ice are responsible for their actions and their play. Terry can only give them the system that they can execute. If they fail to do so, it solely rests on the players. Terry can’t score goals or make saves from the bench. Cut him some slack. He is the best coach that we ever had and I hope that he sticks around for years to come.
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
@Alton, yea if u put it that way year understandable
But what makes good Coach to great coach is by using whatever he has to do to wake up his team,then just standing there like he did
He a Good coach i always like him but after last night play the players played lazy on the second period ,,if the Coach doesnt correct it then that is just part of his fault too
not all his fault its the whole team period he is just as part of the players,,players+being lazy=Timeout/Pull goalie to wake them up
sharks coach did that and look what happen
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Alton Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
@KingsFanFTW, No timeout will shake Penner up
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
@Alton, yea if it doesnt work then at least he tried thats all am saying
at least put his effort in it then just standing there
I lke TM but when his team goes bad he just hides
If he call a timeout try to wake up the defense then that a sign of a good coach even if he lost i will say at least he put his effort in it
I swore I’d never watch another game again after that catastrophe.
But now that my Chi is restored….Thursday will be a lock down win 1-0.
Sharks pulled their goalie, so now I think he’s shook up more than Quicker.
Goaltending is the key.
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
@Spanky, always have been goaltender and defense when it is at the best is our key
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Gotta get through it. If the Kings come out and win tomorrow this is all in the rear view. If not then Game 3 period 2 is where the series was lost. Please stop with the TM is a horrible coach talk. How bad was this team before he showed up with Mr. Crawford? Stop slamming Penner, he will come around. Give him time. All you haters are the ones who were praising him when he showed up. Give him time.
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
@BigMikeonD, well i did but when he stop doing anything good
and am not hateing i dont hate at all just very disappointed with them
TM is not a bad coach just not a great coach too different a bad coach is a coach that doesnt know hwo to coach TM does know how to all he needed to do is call a timeout to try to get through the players head to wake the up but he didnt that all he missing
once again me no hate am a loving guy that say my opinions out there
team play sluppy.he lost control of the ship hope tomorrow game he control his ship better
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How about the embarrassment to the fans? The last time I did a walk of shame like that …
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All right … enough with negativities (including myself). The Sharks still haven’t been able to beat us in regulation but we did. Let’s hand them a regulation loss again.
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Generally, so far in this series, whenever the Kings have been playing “their game” (tight checking, responsible positioning, feet moving) they’ve been beating the Sharks. Generally, when they haven’t, they’ve played the Sharks’ game, pushing transition, trying to make something happen, and they’ve been getting killed.
Fortunately, I don’t think it’s any more complicated than that. They showed in the third in the first game, all second game, and in the third last night, that when they play properly, they are likely to win.
So, it’s not as “bad” as it seems (but it will be if they don’t learn.) It was embarrassing, and I hope that translates to more discipline from here on out.
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They’re talking about it right now on xm radio. Saying how does TM deal with this? Also saying that the Kings are lucky that it wasn’t the lead story given whats happening in phx (location) and the blowout in chicago.
Also they talked about while the kings are a young hockey team, they aren’t That young with a long list of veterans led by smyth, stoll, willie mitchell, scuds, penns (our beloved penns), brownie etc. So there does become a point where every year they are saying how young the kings are. No, Some of the kings are young but not all of them by any stretch of the imagination.
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Whodawat Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
@number 6, I think the term ‘young’ references the core of the team… Doughty, Johnson, Martinez, Kopitar, Clifford, Simmonds, Quick and Brown. The vets probably won’t be around when LA hoists the cup in 2012-2013.
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Oh, now they’re talking on xm radio about the winning goal and how both Zues and Penner were doing ‘the ole skate down the ice routine’ when the goal was scored. Where are the other guys who have leadership roles on this team. That’s what they said.
Saying you have to play psychologist to get the best out of dustin penner and many guys have tried.
How Sad Is That. I Mean It. How Sad Is That. He needs a stern daddy to play a more diligent game. It’s not even worth pointing out that he’s being paid a fortune, cause money has nothing to do with it. It’s just like a nasty incidental.
Hey folks, if he has been like this until this point in his career, it’s highly unlikely he’s gonna change now.
Poor pickup by DL. Sorry, I like DL but just not well researched or thought out.
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number 6 Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
@number 6,
Sorry also for leaving out my ? when I said How Sad Is That………. ?
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KFL Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
@number 6,
Wasn’t a huge fan of the trade then. Even less of a fan of it now.
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Wow! It really is a joke to read some of the Monday morning, after the fact, knee jerk comments from all of the people who think they are better coaches than the coaches in the NHL. My god people… Be smarter and be happy people! We are in the playoffs again… WE ARE FINE!!! Take a pill people, and calm down! We are still very much in this series.
Yes, the Kings may have lost a tough game, but they are in the playoffs for the second year in a row. They still have a good chance to win this series if they play to their ability. As stated above in one of the comments, when the Kings play their game to their ability, they have dominated the Sharks. Even with their top star player, Kopitar, sitting with an injury. TM has done a wonderful job with them over the last few years. He has instilled an Eastern Conference style defense first attitude, and made some of our good young talented players better and smarter on the ice because of it. For the most part he has improved the consistency of the team on the ice, game in and game out. Even with the line of veterans we have, we are still one of the youngest teams in the NHL, and we are going to get younger next year when more of our prospects are gonna come up. We are OK….
Last nights embarrassment was just that… An embarrassment!! San Jose has gone through growing pains a lot in the last few years in the playoffs. They have lost some bad ones too… It takes time for a team to grow the level of confidence and consistency that the Sharks have now. They have had 5 to 6 years in the playoffs growing that character they show on the ice. We have had only one and look how far we have come! The Kings are growing individually and as a team with each game they play. Win or lose. I have been a fan for over 23 years, and I think this is the closest this franchise has come to being a consistent winning team. I know it is hard to not get angry when something like last night happens, but we need to give them some slack and let them learn as a team how to lose and how to win. Then we can enjoy a run like the Red wings, San Jose, or Colorado. Where we are winning every year and expected to go deep in the playoffs. We have a good team. Be patient and let them become a great team.
WE ARE FINE!!! Take a pill people, and calm down!!! Let’s get the next game, and take it one at a time. Go, Kings Go!!!
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bill donnelly Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
@LooknAtYouBabe, When you have a team with a reputation for choking in the playoffs on the floor you need to step on their throat. When the Kings started have breakdown after breakdaown TM just stood there. His talk during TV timeouts did not work. TM is slow to make changes and other teams will continue to take advantage of that
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Slim Reply:
April 20th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
@LooknAtYouBabe, The red pill or the blue pill?
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I want to see what Rich Hammond has to say about Terry Murray’s incompetent decision making on not pulling Quick out after the third, fourth, or fifth goal. Maybe Murray needs a class from San Jose’s coach to make tough decisions during tough times. Granted Quicks teammates failed him too but on a few goals Quick was way off from being where he needed to be.
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Thanks..I needed that.
Let’s get em tomorrow!
GO KINGS!
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Hey, it looks like the Rangers watched our game last night!
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It just dawned on me, this is going to be another historical playoff series. Game 4, bring it on!
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t took 2 days to dawn on me we really lost that game. I just could not believe blowing that lead. Me being a coach myself I was stunned that TM left Quick in the game no matter how the defense was playing. I have seen every King game for the last 2 years and and believe me Quick was rattled and convidence shaken after the 3rd goal. TM you should know to never leave a goalie in after 3 in 1 period. We all can’t be at our best every night. I know you wont , But if I were in your shoes throw SJ a curve ball and start Bernier, he has played gr. eat in his last 15 games and could even surprise you with a shutout let’s shake things up abit. SHow a little convidence in Bernier. IF I’m wrong what’s the worst thing that could happen!!! We go down 3-1, But I’m betting on 2-2. Love ya Kings and go get em.
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