Nick Kypreos of SportsNet reported this morning that Kings center Jarret Stoll facing a supplemental-phone discipline hearing this morning with the league after his hit last night on San Jose’s Ian White. There’s been no timetable revealed. In an unrelated story a few months ago, here’s what Colin Campbell, NHL vice president of hockey operations, said about the discipline-hearing process.
“The structure of discipline, it’s a quick process,” Campbell told NHL.com. “We had two disciplines (on a Wednesday) night that both occurred after 9 o’clock. We had to contact the manager, set up the discipline meeting for the next morning — one team played again (Thursday) and the other team (Friday), so we had to get it done. We had to send tapes to the Players’ Association. We had to contact the agents. We had the hearings and the decisions were made by noon (Thursday). It’s not something you can muse over and get a panel together.”
For those who haven’t seen the hit yet, click below for the best video I could find this morning…
1 Game
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BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 8:59 am
@Dayman,
Yep.
2 games (playoff policy, hit to the head of unsuspecting player) – 1 game (no prior history as a dirty player, player ducked and hit was not intentional) = 1 playoff game suspension
He was not against the boards at the time of the hit, which created the concussion. Stoll came from his right side, not directly at his numbers, but led with his elbow. Stoll probably thought the elbow would hit his back…
One game, IMHO…
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BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
…Confirmed.
One game for Stoll.
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MASK0425X Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:04 am
@Dayman,
What about Demers jumping up at least a foot off the ice and elbowing Smyth in the head. Will that even get an honorable mention in TO?
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MASK0425X Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:12 am
@MASK0425X, Just reviewed the video and noticed something I missed before – at about 26-27 seconds Wallin’s stick lands squarely on top of Lewis’ shoulder. Nice job ref’s TWO blown calls seconds aparts.
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SPIDEY35 Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:54 am
@MASK0425X,
Same exact thing that I thought, but the reason why it probably won’t get looked at is because Smyth didn’t stay down on the ice or get helped off.
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SKF Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:57 am
@MASK0425X, Demers deserves at least what Stoll gets. Total blindness by the refs.
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John Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 10:23 am
@SKF,
Yeah, dude pulled the wrestling move, The Flying Elbow!
Scott Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:08 am
@Dayman, Well I guess if the Sharks announcers and JR scream enough, they will make a sound. I personally thought this should have been 2 minutes for boarding. Stoll slowed down, White turned into it, Stoll kept his elbows close to him body – tried to led with the shoulder, but since White was lower to the ice he got hit in the neck region and Stoll doesn’t have a history of this. I wonder if the Comcast announcers and JR didn’t complain so much if there would have been this same process afterwards? That’s why announcers can’t be bias.
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RobSD Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:22 am
@Dayman,
Stoll slowed down big time and his arms were pretty low. White’s head was were the boards meet the glass which is very low. He shouldn’t be suspended. It was accidental. I thought intentional hits were grounds for suspension. Is that incorrect?
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LetsGoKings2 Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 11:03 am
@RobSD,
It’s not the intent so much as it is what happens. Whether or not it was intentional doesn’t change the fact that it happened. Given stoll’s record (lackthereof) i say 1-2 games simply because this is one of the things that the league is trying to get rid of.
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Cry Baby Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 10:22 am
@Dayman, C’mon, it’s the Kings. You should know what video review means to the Kings. It’s 12 games plus the Kings must forfeit 3 draft picks.
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kingsfaninSB Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 11:48 am
@Dayman, if stoll gets a suspension… demers deserves one, because he CLEARLY goes high on Ryan Smyth while even though stoll did get the head, stoll didnt raise up, the other player was low…
heres video of demers hit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dz_16c7Tvw
how is that not a penalty?? he had intentions of going high, and demers has history
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just my opinion Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 11:55 am
@Dayman,
I’m glad to see several other people saying what I posted last night, Demers charging hit to the head deserves a suspension. White was bending over so Stoll’s elbow was down when it hit. Demers left his feet launching his raised elbow into the face of an upright Smyth. I bet once again the Kings get screwed.
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kingsfaninSB Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 11:55 am
@just my opinion, agreed
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So he is out for sure?
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mrbrett7 Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 8:43 am
@MOSH, No, it means he is having a hearing. Charra had a hearing for his hit and wasn’t suspended.
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We are screwed!
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BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:01 am
@Chris Bond,
That reminds me of the bad guy in the movie The Mummy Returns…
You are cursed!
This is cursed, that is cursed… !
Life_Goes_On!
We are not screwed….
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I hope he doesn’t get suspended, but I have a feeling it will be 2 games.
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Paging..Oscar Moller
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winger23 Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 8:38 am
@Vahe,
Screw that. Moller has showed he’s too small for the NHL, especially come the playoffs. Hello Mr. Scheen.
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Dan H. Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 8:40 am
@winger23,
If Moller had the chance that Clifford did…no OT.
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winger23 Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 8:42 am
@Dan H.,
You are assuming Moller would have had been in that position in the first place. Sometimes you have to give the goalie credit for a helluva save. Moller had every chance to show he belongs and didn’t do squat with his opportunities as was a liability defensively. I love his heart, I feel as if he is “Rudy”.
john Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:26 am
@Dan H., WRONG. Niemi played it perfect. Kings did everything right on that play. Moller is too small. Schenn has never played this pace. He’s not Gretzky or Lemieux.
winger23 Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 8:41 am
@winger23,
*Schenn
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Jeremy Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:51 am
@winger23, we’ll take Scheen if we can get a some #winning!
Quisp Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 8:44 am
@winger23,
Yes, I agree totally. Moller has showed he is too small. Bring up Mr Sheen. Duh, winning.
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MASK0425X Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:03 am
@Quisp,
It’s not just being small (which he is, although not Marty St Louis or Nathan Gerbe or Gionta tiny). He needs to figure out how not to become a pinata for the big boys.
Matt George Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:21 am
@Quisp,
HAA!
Heellooo the Kid’s got tiger blood
BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:29 am
@Q,
Tell you what.
I favor your comment on your blog:
“The Kings now know (or just remembered) that they can not only play with these guys, but out-play them. And the meme about the Sharks having the easiest of all of the first round series…is dead. Dead. Like everyone else, the Sharks will need some luck to win this series. Luck favors the prepared.”
–LUCK FAVORS THE PREPARED.
Isn’t that essentially what Stoll said after the game, the Kings must be better prepared to win?
Unlike most series where the underdog has less of a chance to win the series as the series drags on, after watching that game the Kings have more of a chance to win this series as it drags on. They have the necessary skill to beat the Sharks. I didn’t think so before the series, but I do now.
–Grow into this series, boys!
RobSD Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 10:03 am
@Quisp,
I think Moeller needs to bulk up. I don’t know how much he weighs but he was getting manhandled. It was really rag doll looking a few times.
He has to play more like Williams, where he is avoiding contact and dodging in and out.
I would like to see us use Schenn for 1 game to see how he does. There is no harm in that. Talk to the kid and let him know what the situation is about the contract year.
garry Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 10:12 am
@Quisp, Moller is just too small. He does’nt have the offensive skills like Zggy had to make it in the new NHL. Size does matter.
Ravens Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 11:01 am
@Quisp, Moller need to go to Selanne’s doctor
snbrdsummit Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 11:09 am
@Quisp,
I highly respect Quisp’s opinion, but I’d like to throw an alternative perspective out there.
There was another guy once whom critics, fans, and players claimed was too small, too wirey, and too slow for the NHL. He weighed only 160 at 6’0″. I think his name was Gretzky.
Before people get all crazy. I’m not saying that Moller is comparable to Gretzky, I’m simply making the point that size can be overcome with other skills (which Moller has).
In his 87 games in the NHL, he has 26 points. This is even more impressive if you consider the fact that 2 years ago he spent a lot of time on the ice with Ivanans (the black hole of point generation). Further yet, he’s on the ice for an average of about 11:40 a game. Sure he gets pushed around on the ice, but that will change as he gets older and bigger. The thing I really like about Moller is that he has great presence of mind for the game. He is a better than average distributor of the puck, and more often than not, he’s in the right place at the right time.
My final point to consider. If he can score 26 points in 87 games getting pushed around the ice. What do you think he’s going to do when he puts on an additional 10-15 pounds. I only see upside with this kid.
Westgarth, Lewis and Clifford all have size on Moller. But when we are down by a goal in the 3rd period or have a tie game and are looking for the go-ahead goal, I would rather see someone on the ice that puts up points than hits. In the same amount of games, Moller kills all these guys in point production and has similar or less +/-.
King Doughnuts Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 10:09 am
@winger23, Did anyone see that “little guy” Gionta score two goals for the Canadians last night?
I don’t know what he’s even doing suiting up for the playoffs, he’s too little too!
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winger23 Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 10:30 am
@King Doughnuts,
Moller is smaller than Gionta so I’m not sure what your point is.
John Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 10:30 am
@King Doughnuts,
Moller just needs to learn what he can & can’t do in the NHL, it’s that simple. His problem is that he’ll go anywhere on the ice & has no fear, thus he gets creamed. If you watch the St.Louis’ & Brieres they avoid that stuff. Oscar can be a very good NHL player, he just has to learn these things.
And for those saying he’s a defensive liability, you’re just not paying attention.
Kev Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 11:06 am
@winger23, actually Gionta is smaller than Moller and so is Patrick Kane, Cammalleri is about the same size. Moller’s size isn’t the issue.
King Doughnuts Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
@King Doughnuts,
My point exactly, He is not too small to play. Yes he has to learn where he can and can’t go, but he can play. Size isn’t everything, look at Penner.. he has size and what has he done lately? I can’t recall either.
Oh, wait he did blow the coverage on the first goal last night.
“Little” Moeller can’t do much worse that what “Big” has been doing.
Hopefully just a formality. If they deem this hit dirty they need to look at the Demers lift-off!!!
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NoDoughty Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 8:38 am
@Stuart, No kidding!!! It looked like he was trying to launch himself into next week
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GoBruins Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 8:49 am
@Stuart, yeah Demers hit should have been a penalty, but no way was it as bad as Stoll’s. A face to face hit isn’t the same thing as taking your forearm and smashing a guy’s face into the boards from behind. Did Smythe have a concussion? No. Will he miss games? No. White will, and Stoll should be suspended.
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Bkrs-Bud Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 8:57 am
@GoBruins, Chara should be arrested.
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danlikespez Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:34 am
@Bkrs-Bud, LOL
danlikespez Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:36 am
@GoBruins, Difference was Demers hit was intentional but Stoll’s was accidental. Duh! Did you even watch the game or did you just watch the highlights?
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GoBruins Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 11:01 am
@danlikespez, No I actually sat blindfolded in front of the TV and guessed at what was going on. Of course I watched it.
You really think Stoll’s hit was accidental? No the fact that White will likely miss some games was accidental, but he went into him knowing what he was doing.
@Bkrs-Bud, haha, may be true. I’ll let you arrest him – he is huge and I wouldn’t want to piss him off, lol.
johnjuan Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:41 am
@GoBruins,
It(Demers) was worse as it was an intent to injure. Both infractions should have been called and thats the end of it.
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Stuart Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:41 am
@GoBruins, my response was stricken because I called the bruins a bunch of goons???
UNREAL.
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Rich Hammond Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:43 am
No, actually, it was stricken because of your inability or unwillingness to debate a point without insulting the person who made the point. Rules are posted, quite prominently, to the right. Adherence is much appreciated.
SPIDEY35 Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:59 am
@Stuart,
I know you post many comments here, please don’t get Rich upset.
RobSD Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 10:16 am
@Stuart,
I love the snap to Rich’s retorts! Always cracks me up. Rich, I have some off topic questions.
1. Will the mobile version of Insider every be back?
2. I have spoken to a few people down here in San Diego and we want to try and get a group of fans together for some watch parties next season. Possibly even this series if we stick it out a few more games. Would it be possible to create a post for us with a contact email, so we can compile a list of local Kings fans?
Michael J. Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 10:21 am
@Rich Hammond,
Wow! Earning the “Hammer” moniker! Glad to see your playoff intensity.
John Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 10:34 am
@Stuart,
Yeah, you can call any of our players/coach/GM ANY assinine thing you want…but if you hurt the feelings of a poster, you’re gone! (or at least your post is)
RobSD Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 10:54 am
@Stuart,
No love on my questions>?
Business Time Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 11:16 am
@Stuart,
It sounds like Rich Hammond is guilty of the same thing he is criticizing. Rather than pointing out that the post was in violation of the rules, he insulted @Stuart personally by pointing out his shortcomings in terms “inability” and “unwillingness”. What if @Stuart was simply unaware of the rules? Or perhaps there was another reason for his inappropriate post.
Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Then again, maybe I’m just in a bad mood because I know the Kings needed that OT win last night.
Rich Hammond Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 11:25 am
He asked why his comment was taken down. I told him. What would you have preferred the response to be? The rules are posted prominently to the right, and have been since Oct. 1, 2009. If one violates one of the clearly, prominently posted rules, he/she is therefore either unwilling or unable to follow them. What is the third option? I’m uncertain as to how this could be more straightforward, but if I’m lacking clarity here, I’m welcome to correction.
LetsGoKings2 Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 11:08 am
@Stuart,
Seemes like both teams need to set down their hometeam bias glasses. The hit by stoll was bad, maybe deserving of a suspension, but it wasn’t nearly as bad as it’s being blown up in san jose to be.
That being said, the demers should have been a penalty, i have no idea what the refs saw to think it was undeserving of one, but is in no way deserving on a suspension.
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Still waitning on the mike ribeiro suspension
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Shakes Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 8:32 am
@Vahe,
And the Zdeno suspension…
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Carlos Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 8:33 am
@Shakes, Took the words right outta my mouth…
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Sebastian Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 8:53 am
@Shakes, Im waiting for the SJ cops to open up a criminal investigation against Stoll. haha.
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NoDoughty Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 8:39 am
@Vahe, LOL hope you plan on living forever….. Cause that’s how long it’s going to take LOL.
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Vahe Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 8:54 am
@NoDoughty, At least his team didn’t make the playoffs.. Put a smile on my face
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Chaz Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:30 am
@Vahe, And the Rene Bourque spear to Doughty’s nuts suspension.
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Michael J. Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 10:23 am
@Chaz,
And Courtnall for concussing Storr…
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KingMe20 Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
@Michael J.,
Hell yes on that. Thanks, Koharski.
Watching live last night, I thought suspension for sure, probably just one game because Stoll has no history of dirty hits. Looking at this re-play I don’t think any suspension is warranted. I still think the Demers hit on Smyth was a much dirtier hit….. Any video of that one Rich? Any word if they are looking at that hit as well?
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john Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:30 am
@LAPD line, Agreed. I don’t even see that play as a “hit”. Stoll just came in and “pinned” the guy. It’s a normal everyday play, just so happened that White had his head against the dasher.
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LetsGoKings2 Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 11:10 am
@john,
can’t pin with a leading forarm into the guys head. learn that one in peewees
and here’s a video, crappy quality but a video of the demers hit (i haven’t seen if one is posted later on yet)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jb1mQ_8ht8
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hockey junkie Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 11:09 am
@LAPD line,
Not to mention if i remember correctly…Fox (and don’t bash me cuz i like Fox) didn’t start saying anything about the hit until White wasn’t getting up. Then Fox started chirping , could be reviewable oh that didn’t look good and so on…. Had White gotten up and game continued i think this wouldn’t even be talked about. It was a routine checking play…they all do it.
That being said i am not a hockey expert and don’t want people critqiuing (sp?) my job!!
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Probably one game. Anyone remember Pronger a couple years back getting suspended not once but twice and they were both one gamers.
I have to agree with those asking for consistency…because we haven’t seen it yet.
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brian spain Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:42 am
@Dan H., Pronger tried to kill the guy, plus he has a long history of dirty play, Like Terry murry said after the game, he didn’t see anything. If Riberio didn’t get suspended for hit on Zues no way can the hit Stoll… If Richardson had any hand eye cordination Kings are up one to none…I can believe he missed that open net. Kings played great all game except when they got fast and let the game get boat racie. Simmons passing the puck back to Martinez and Martinez giving it up is the same excact wrtong play by simmons as he did in the Chicago game when he did the same thing and Chicago scored. GET IT DEEP. Nerver pass backwards when you have less guys on the right side of the puck.
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And of course the hit on Smith will go unnoticed……
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NoDoughty Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 8:40 am
@Rookie, Well duuuh! It was a hit on a King silly
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number 6 Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 8:48 am
@Rookie,
No, the hit on Smyth.
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I’m sorry, but that looks clean. White is turned away, but has the puck. Stoll is merely trying to pin him along the boards and then take the puck. You can even see him gliding in and then even turning his skates slightly to slow down. Sure, he does shove him high, but he was trying to pin him. He does not hit his head. The player in White’s position bears some resonsibility to avoid being vulnerable when they are just standing there.
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Dan H. Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 8:44 am
@OldTimeHockey,
It would be nice if the players on the boards had SOME responsibility. Too many players turn their back when they see the guy coming because they’re protected that way. Not fair to the player coming in at all.
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Dilapidus Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 10:10 am
@Dan H.,
Kind of a quandry, because to protect the puck, you have to get your body between the attacker and the puck. Everyone is going to turn their back to keep the opposing player off the puck.
Seems like a pretty tight dance.
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812 Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 8:49 am
@OldTimeHockey, I can’t really disagree with you – all players bear some responsibility for ensuring their safety and the safety of other players, but I think the League is now putting the onus primarily on the hitter. White was trying to possess & protect the puck down-low in the defensive zone, which is exactly what he should be doing. Of course Stoll was on the forecheck doing exactly what he should be doing.
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Minnesota Kings Fan Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:51 am
@OldTimeHockey,
Unfortunately, I recall a any number of times that Jim Fox has said the league places all the responsibility on the player doing the hitting. I would assume he is correct. Let’s just hope the league sees this as substantially different than the Pronger situtuation referred to above and at most fines Stoll. We really NEED him in the lineup!
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mcsorleyfan Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 11:50 am
@OldTimeHockey, Agreed; I was afraid I was the only one who saw it this way.
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Well, Stoll neither deliberately nor incidentally hit the head – it looked like a good, solid, clean, playoff-style shoulder check into the body. Unfortunately the check was right into White’s numbers, and that’s probably what the League will look at when considering “supplemental discipline.” When I first saw the play last night I thought, “Hmm, 1-game suspension for sure,” but now I’m not so sure. I hope White’s ok, but I don’t think this merits a suspension. $.02
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Won’t be a suspension for that hit. White went low and Stoll’s momentum could not be stopped. If White would have been upright, only boarding possibly and no head-hit. My opinion
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olivialuvsthekings Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:01 am
@TiredOfIt, I agree! stoll was wondering why white was down so low and his momentum totally couldnt be stopped. I hope theres no suspension especially if the refs didnt even call anything.
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I didn’t see any problem with it. Stoll didn’t leave his feet, White was ducking down but saw him coming, just looked to be unfortunate. Both were going for the puck along the boards. I would love to see the video of the hit on Smyth that everyone is talking about. If Ribiero didn’t get punished for the hit on Zeus, I can’t see them punishing Stoll for this hit.
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number 6 Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 8:49 am
@DesertKing,
Yeah DK. I think you bring up the primary point, that White was ducking down which certainly didn’t help matters at all.
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Anjin Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 8:53 am
@DesertKing, youtube it. That’s where I found the replay. I typed ‘Demers hit on Smyth’ and it came right up.
After watching it you’ll be wondering why Demers isn’t getting a hearing as well.
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DesertKing Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:39 am
@Anjin,
Holy crap, are you kidding me! I just looked at it: Demers left his feet – check, forearm and elbow to opposing players face and head – check, extending arms/elbow away from body – check, drives Smyth’s head into glass and dasher board – check. Way worse than Stoll’s hit on White. Heck, even Foxy thought it was bad!
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Michael J. Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 10:28 am
@DesertKing,
Here’s the kink:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dz_16c7Tvw
hey Rich, what about a poll?
GkingsG99 Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 11:11 am
@Anjin, Yeah dude went flying.
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scvking Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 8:56 am
@DesertKing,
What you wrote is very true. I see no problem with this hit either. Led with the shoulder, hit him in the back, White knew he was coming and ducked, no intent. I don’t even see this as even close to boarding, as it looked like more of a glancing blow initially, and as White turned to the right, Stoll’s momentum created more contact. Poor job of protecting himself by White, as opposed to a bad hit by Stoll. Last night I was unsure, after viewing this angle, I don’t even know why anyone is talking about it. If this results in a suspension for Stoll (and who knows with Campbell) then I guess we just have to take all hitting out of the game.
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brian spain Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:46 am
@DesertKing, They replay the game today at noon til 2 on Fox Sports West. Demmers jumped into Smyth and gave him an elbow to the mouth. I think the linesman who fell back out of the way couldn’t believe they didn’t call a penalty. It happened right in front of the penalty box.
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We all know that Stoll will be sitting out game 2. Moller will get some ice time. Penner will show up and score a hat trick. Kopi will be back on the ice for game 3. Yes, I believe in the tooth fairy. I know, bring in The Rock, can you smelllll what the Rock is cooking. Wrestling is real.
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Andrew Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:10 am
@kinginsaltlake, well everyone knows kopi is really wolverine
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I have a feeling he will get at least one game. The intent does not look like it was there, but bottom line be comes in at a player from behind and drives his head right into the boards with his right forearm. The hit directly targeted the head…its much easier to see form the alternate angle (not showed on the video above).
I hope I’m wrong, but I know if it was Doughty or Johnson getting nailed like that, I would definitely want there to be a suspension.
The hit on Smyth was very different, yes the guy jumped like Jordan at the slam dunk contest, but it was not a blind side hit. Both plays should have been penalties, but only one is serious enough to warrant supplemental discipline.
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scvking Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:09 am
@Sebastian,
So you are saying that they should disregard the video angle that shows it to be a clean hit, and only consider the one that appears as though Stoll targeted the head? I don’t quite see it that way. Yes, last night the angle we saw looked questionable, at least. This one however clearly shows that it was a shoulder hit that was clean, and the additional contact occurred when White ducked to the right as Stoll’s momentum tracked that direction as well. Are we saying that Stoll should be responsible for how White chose to manuever? How White chose to “protect” himself actually created the contact that you claim is direct targeting by Stoll. I don’t buy that. This video angle is clearly showing a clean hit, so why would the focus be solely on one that gives the appearance of a bad hit?
I mean, this one shows it to be clean, but that one over there makes it look questionable, so by all means, let us only consider the inconclusive video?
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Russell Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
@scvking,
So you are saying that they should disregard the angle that clearly shows Stolls shoulder putting white’s head to the board from behind and consider only the one that looks like it was a clean hit? Your bias is making you see one video as more real than the other. I’m sure the NHL will look at all angles. If they deem it to be a bad hit they’ll act accordingly. Stoll is not a dirty player at all but in my opinion it was a bad hit that resulted in White getting hurt. And I’d have to say that the angle that is clearest is the CSN camera that was 2 feet away on the other side of the glass when the hit occurred. Your sarcasm doesn’t make any point when you literally are hypocritical in your response. And blaming white for his positioning… are you serious?
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scvking Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
@Russell,
I seldom comment on this blog because of the responses that I see to a variety of the comments posted here, by various people. People imply things that are not correct, toss out words that have no validity, and attempt to be “right” for ego purposes.
There is a lot going on with the Stoll hit, and emotions in the aftermath of the game.
What I understood from Sebastian was his feeling that one angle should take precedence over another angle. My point is that one angle shows this, another that. There is a larger and unknown body of evidence that will be looked at to determine what course of action the league would take.
I have posted at least a few comments today re the hit, and I have stated that during the game, the angle made me feel that the hit was questionable, at least. I stand behind that comment. I also said that after viewing the video that Rich posted earlier, that my feeling was different, and that I felt that it was a clean hit. I processed the only two bits of information available and made a determination as to what I felt was the correct response.
For you to say that I blamed White for positioning is just idiotic. Here is my point—there were two points on impact, one from Stoll’s shoulder into the back of White, not his head, and not in a way that would have been a penalty for boarding. White was turning the same direction as Stoll was skating, and the second point of impact was when Stoll raised his arm to absorb the impact fom the boaards, which is also where White had moved to. Some may view that as an elbow directly targeting White’s head, but I do not agree with that. I blamed White for his positioning? No, sorry, just stating what actually took place.
Sorry you see bias and hypocrisy when you want to try to win the argument. What bias? What is the hypocrisy? If wanting the right call to be made is bias, so be it. If staing my opinion on a message board that is different than yours, that is bias in your opinion? My bias is in that the NHL seldom gets these things correct. The Stoll hit wasn’t even the worst hit of the game, yet the one we are debating is the Stoll hit?
You kind of lost it with the “NHL will look at all angles. If they deem it to be a bad hit they’ll act accordingly.” If only it was that way. The NHl is laughable at this kind of thing.
I saw the comments after from the SJ locker room and I was appalled. Both the coach and boyle were obviously lobbying for punishment, even though they had no moral argument when consideration is given to the Demers hit. Tell me, which hit was more egregious? Which one should have resulted in punishment? How is it that Stoll makes what many feel is a legitimate hit and is suspended, and Demers violates every priniciple of conduct in this regard and gets nothing? Yet, I am the one you want to single out as a hypocritical? And the NHL will act accordingly?
I enjoy a healthy debate, and I find others opinions are interesting at times, especially when they are honest and fair. Anyone can comment here, but when responding, just do so in that spirit.
Watch the video closely and you will see that stoll was suprized that he hit his head, he looks at him to make sure he is awake and not really hurt. If stoll wanted to hurt him he wouldnt think twice to check on him
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KFII Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:55 am
@pr0cess, Exactly what I saw. Stoll looked concerned for him. I’m hoping for just a warning, no suspension.
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The Kings should make a case about the Demer’s hit on Smitty. Demers thought he was Superman the way he was taking off to fly. I thought his intention was to put Smitty into the 10th row.
I need some kryptonite.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/dJRqLHYHYuA
Here’s a better look at the hit on White by Stoll with the SJS cameras.
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KingsGuy Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:33 am
@MysticMarine, WOW, looks a little different from the camera view.
I wonder what he said to White when he looked at him. Looks like he checked to see if he was Okay – Was probly like “sorry I just smashed your face into the boards”. LOL
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i don’t know…. It seems like Stoll totally let up on the hit and just followed through and White intentionally turned his back to him (which probably won’t matter)… How about a fine and no suspension?
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MysticMarine Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:48 am
@Brian, How did he turn his back to him? White was facing away from stoll for a good 3 seconds before the hit.
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There shouldn’t be a suspension if there was no penalty on the ice or seen by the refs. White is a smaller player. This is like the Pronger incidents, just because he is tall dont mean he canT hit a player.
LEAVE JARRETT ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The guy says he took a high elbow from Stoll, but it wasn’t an elbow motion. It looked like Stoll’s upper arm (shoulder to elbow) pushed in high against White’s upper back area and White’s face and head moved toward and hit the glass.
I don’t think there was evil intent, just unfortunate, but Stoll and others do need to be careful pushing in when another player’s head is inches from the glass because the likelihood is that the head will slam against the glass.
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Derek Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:38 am
@King John, my thought was stoll was expecting white to stand and he was doing to pin him up against the glass, except white didn’t stand.. unfortunate, but thats what the NHL is trying to do away with so he’s undoubtably getting at least 1 game suspension
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King John Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:39 am
White’s face may have got cut by hitting the yellow ledge since his head was low. That’s what it looks like on the youtube video.
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Ugh. at least 1 game. shouldn’t be more than 2–no intent and it wasn’t a hard hit. White didn’t expect the collision or something, cause idk how he toppled into the boards so easily
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did anyone notice the look on stolls face when he looked back at white while he had him pinned up against the boards it was king of an “oh crap” look
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nykingfan Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:34 am
@Derek,
I did…I thought it was pretty funny!
I thought the guy must have made some strange sound after the hit and he looked back like wtf???
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Derek Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:36 am
@nykingfan, yeah thats what i was thinking too!!! haha people make some weird sounds when they get knocked out
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George Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 10:30 am
@Derek, LMAO
that hit’s not worthy of a suspension at all.
Man, this is hockey and it does get physical. i understand wanting to eliminate the head shots, but the player taking the hit has to take some responsibility..if you lower your head the way he did, there’s no way to avoid getting hit in the head.
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Setting Stoll’s hit aside, I’m also wondering (as are others on here today) why there hasn’t been a single noise from the NHL about Demers jumping forward into Smyth’s face. Last I checked, most players keep their face on their head…so that would be a hit directly targeting the head. Not a word from anyone official that I’ve heard. RIch, are you picking up any comments on that, or is it about as relevant as a Florida Panthers playoff ticket?
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Video of the Jason Demers hit on Smyth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dz_16c7Tvw
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MysticMarine Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 9:46 am
@Crown74,
Looks like the hit on Smyth to the head happened after the initial contact. It was a north-south shoulder to shoulder hit, but when falling, Demers’ forearm hits Smyth in the side of the head. I don’t see that worth being any more than a 2 minute elbowing penalty. No where close to the blindside hit by Stoll.
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pezpuck Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 10:03 am
@MysticMarine, should have been charging… he left his feet. its cut and dry…but again only teh linesman saw it and he cant call it apparently. again these idiots think “blowing a guy up” is good hockey…ive seen plenty of great hits that were clean…no need to leave your feet.
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This shouldn’t be a suspension, but knowing the NHL and their level of inconsistency, it could be anywhere from 1-4 games. Hoping for just a fine.
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I expect Stoll will get at least a 2 game suspension. Reguardless if White put himself in a dangerous position the onus is on the checker to hold up.
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I think two games, if he SJ D is out more then one game!
Just call up the Kid, Schenn won’t be our saver, so come on, it’s like this would ruion the kid career!
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i’m a huge kings fan but its a dirty hit. right to the back of the head and if you see sharks cameras its pretty hard… If this happened to a kings player i would be raging. he will probably get 2 games. Hope schenn comes up
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kjchip30 Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 10:09 am
@jason, I agree its a hit that you don’t want a player to take, but to say it was a dirty hit is a bit much. A dirty hit implies that there was intent by Stoll to cause injury to the Sharks player.
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http://i.imgur.com/pAsHY.png
I see a forearm/elbow hit to the head here. You can see his fingers clipping White’s #9 near the top. Stoll is also a RH shot, so he had his forearm out to try to press White to the boards after the check, but he accidentally hits White in the back of the head.
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Im pretty sure if he gets suspended (which he absolutly deserves) we dont get to replace him on the roster.
regardless of if you think he intended to hurt him or not, its against the rules to hit a vulnerable player from behind…stoll has been playing long enough to know that. Its a rule because of the potential for injury.
The Smyth hit should have been a charge but the only one who saw it was the linesman…and he cant call it aparently. That said i think the difference is a change going into a guy who sees you coming and can prepare himself as smyth was and did…is vastly different than what stoll did. Stoll should have got a boarding major at the minimum.
Considering Stoll took a ton of face offs and they played down a player (a key defenseman_…id say a 1 game suspension is the minimum in terms of what is fair. You do the crime you do the time.
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If he is suspended one game then bring up Schenn. He can still play in one game without burning a year off his contract. I am totally opposed to burning a year but I think this is a perfect scenario for him to get 1 game in.
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That looks like incidental contact to me. Stoll appears to look at White when he realizes he’s hurt with a mix of surprise and confusion.
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If stoll gets a sus outta this, I wish he woulda cuncussed a more valuable player for sj sharts. But, in all fairness, reckless behavior can potentially kill a person! Right, danny heatly?
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What about Mike Ribiero’s hit on Handzus? That was an obvious head targeting blind side elbow, and the league didn’t even hiccup about it…… I truly can’t stand how horrible the consistency is in this league lately…
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I wonder if we all email the league with this youtube video of Jason Demers leaving his feet if it will send out a redflag….
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Per a bunch of tweets.Hearing will be at 11:00..I expect a one game suspension..I think the rule will apply, that a Playoff suspensions = double of what a reg season suspenion..1 playoff game = 2 reg season games
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Rich-
Not asking for inside scoop, just your always reasonable opinion. Do you expect a suspension for Stoll?
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I, for one, and I am sure that there are many of you who would agree, am darn disgusted with the unfair calls by the refs against the Kings. If Stoll gets a suspension and Demers does not get a longer one, the Officials need an oversight committee. Demers took a flying leap, with both feet off the ice and NOTHING happened to him. It should have at least been a game misconduct. When do th Kings get a break? And what do these Zebras watch when the are on the ice, or are their eyes shut? At Home games, I sit close to the ice and see so many infractions that are never called that I have concluded a vision test should be mandatory for refs
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mcsorleyfan Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 11:41 am
@poe, true story!!
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They should get word to us rather quickly, no? Our farm team is on the other side of the country. They better not drag this out & announce he’s suspended tomorrow at 3. But I wouldn’t be shocked, the way the NHL ALWAYS deals with the LA Kings!
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Whatever happened to playing TOUGH hockey and where has all this reviewing of hits and all come into place to decide a game or a series. Sorry, I am from the ‘ol school hockey and to watch what goes on now in the game, makes me shake my head and NOT want to watch it anymore. As for Moller, he plays as good as any other Kings out there and yes, he has to pick and choose his spots, be a little more creative with the puck, avoid the BIG hits like other smaller plays have learned to do to be successful in the NHL. Look at the players that have and are just as small as Moller, Gerbe, St. Louis, Briere as examples
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John Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 11:07 am
@mcdangles,
Lemieux and Bettman got together I thought it’d be great for the NHL to be the first integrated (boys & girls) professional sports league.
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Drink Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 11:16 am
@mcdangles, I agree about the toughness of the game. I understand the need to protect the athletes but the current rules alleviate the player being hit from all responsbility. If a check is coming and you lower your body into a dangerous position thereby generating the illegal hit, sorry buddy, thats on you. A checking player should let up when a player is unneccesarily vulnerable and should not contact the head, but the hittee needs to take responsbility for his position as well.
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Clean Hit. NO discipline.
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This is such B.S.
This team will be definitely screwed if Stoll gets suspended over a play that looked honest.
Ian White may have not seen Stoll from the back of him when against the boards, but Stoll just came in to “PRESS” Ian White against the boards, and not so much of actual hit into the boards.
Ian White played the act well though. Well sold on it.
If ANY discipline hearing is actually given to Stoll it be ONE game if anything, which shouldn’t be.
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MysticMarine Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
@Brown23, If by played the act you mean he has a concussion now, then sure.
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Should have been a boarding minor. That’s it.
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Just cause the referee didn’t call a penalty at the time doesn’t mean the NHL should blow this out of proportion now. The guy was low, Stoll finished a clean check. No intention to injure. We should move on.
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Objectively, was the physical encounter unavoidable….at the angle he was coming in and the boards and the location of the puck and then the fact that Ian White crouching down at the precise moment that Stoll happens to come in to try and gain control of the puck seems within all hockey regulations. There was no way for Stoll to know that White was going to crouch down at that second at that precise moment…impossible…a lot of what the play is about is securing the puck with a quick maneuver and just straight going for it “no holds barred,” (Yes, I know we are not talking about wrestling) but; having said that—to a certain degree within the regulations (which we know, all professional hockey players, particularly those already more seasoned then others know what is allowed and what is not allowed). What are we really talking about…an all out punching brawl? No we are talking about a legitimate play in motion with contact. The hit was not on center ice which could have raised the question. It took place at the end of the rink behind the net. The play was fair. Ultimately, what is the player’s goal? To secure that puck and get in the net! So you are basically saying contact is not allowed? How and when can you pick and choose this hit as it took place at the end of the rink at the boards….the question is “where’s the puck? which leads to “where are all the players going? They are going to skate mighty fast with their hockey sticks and defensive strategic skills to protect that puck and gain control of it. How many times during a hockey game do the players hit up against the boards? All the time…in every period…what is the distinction with this play…is it because Ian White lost wind and had a hard time gettiing up? I’m sorry for his injury but Hockey is a contact sport. At the moment that Stoll came in and White just so happened at that second, to crouch down what should Stoll have done? Would you rather he stop skating and think “Oh no can’t skate into there I’ll wait I might hit the Boards.” If you do, then he is not playing the game. Physics people, a lot of we are talking about has to do with velocity the rate of speed and direction…Stoll could not control the movements of the other player…impossible. Ask yourself, how often is the sleet of ice scooped up during the game…. had it been scooped up prior to that play? Really think of the environment and take all into perspective before deciding that Stoll was playing dirty. The unpredicability of rate of speed, the ice, the other defensive players their location states that there is no guarantee that a goal will be made or not made or that one team will always have control of the puck. Thus, we have Hockey…where no play is exactly the same. As for Stoll a seasoned Hockey player who knows his way around the rink and knows what is deliberate knows how to play the game fairly! Think of the objective of the game and the conditions by which the objective is to be met. It is therefore my opinion that Stoll was in the right and the hit was really just a normal play with no malice intended and the disciplinary action should be withdrawn and declared “undeclared” meaning it should not have been brought up in the first place. That is just my opinion.
Have a great day everyone!
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Stuart Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
@Pearl Estrada, a pearl of wisdom if I ever read one… All true, can’t take the hit ouf of hockey.
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Daniel Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
@Pearl Estrada,
This is exactly my thoughts… I don’t see how this is anything more than an accidental injury on a borderline play that happens 20 times a game, puck is right there, refs are looking right at White, no call made on the ice, shouldn’t be a suspension. If White skates away unscathed this isn’t even an isuue. If this hit is suspension worthy, I’ll eagerly be awaiting the debut of the plastic bubbles the league puts around players in a few years, when they realize they can’t prevent hits and that sometimes guys get hurt. It’s gotten to the point where what used to be considered a “keep your head up and on a swivel next time” hit has become a 5 game suspension and that’s just sad. The NHL has basically become the “No Hitting League” and players have gotten to the point were protecting yourself on the ice and being aware of what’s happening has taken a backseat to guys thinking it’s ok to admire a pretty pass or skate through the neutral zone with their head down because “big brother” will protect them.
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The way justice has been handed to the Kings this season, the more I’m convinced that the NHL was taken over by Vince McMahon.
This goes double if the Demers cheap shot goes unpunished and Stoll gets ANYTHING for his accidental hit.
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MysticMarine Reply:
April 15th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
@Buster,
Accidental or not, there was a blindside hit to the head. The onus on the checker when it comes to hits on a player in a vulnerable position. Stoll gets a 1 game suspension.
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this is nothing…regular play..oh but its a king! whatever..
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And it’s official I believe. Stoll get’s a one game suspension for the hit on White
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Why wasn’t Ben Eager reviewed for intentionally elbowing Kyle Clifford in the head when they came together.
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