Brayden Schenn’s junior team, the Saskatoon Blades, were eliminated from the Western Hockey League playoffs tonight with a 5-2 loss to the Kootenay Ice. Schenn is now eligible to join either the Kings or the AHL’s Manchester Monarchs, and Kings management is expected to make a decision tomorrow on Schenn’s short-term future. It genuinely appears as though Dean Lombardi and crew have not yet completely decided which way to go with Schenn.
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Bring him up now!
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andy Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
@Blaked4, BRING HIM UP RIGHT NOW. we’re gonna spend the year that we burn trying to get to where we are now anyways…let’s do it!
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garry Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
@andy, We go through the agony and joy winning/losing and in my opinion not bringing him up would be a discrase.
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Chris P. Bacon Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
@Blaked4,
As a fan I would LOVE to see Schenn with the team. No one is expecting to anyone to replace Kopitar, obviously. Having Schenn on the team can gives Terry Murray more options in the lineup, especially the PP, and who can forget the experience that comes with big games like this.
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MyKay Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:33 pm
@Chris P. Bacon, well said, i say bring him up, very good experience for him, and he can bring some life to our offense!
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pitty Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 8:06 am
@MyKay, Yea because he lit it it up when he was here at the start of the season. I just believe he is not ready for the NHL yet no matter how much we want him to be. Send him to MCH for the playoffs and see how he does there. Playing against 17 & 18 year old boys is very different than playing against men.
Randell Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 12:42 am
@Blaked4, my friends please stop with the negativity. The Kings are against all odds but this is where we as fans come in to just give them hope. I love this team and I love being a fan of the LA Kings. I don’t care if the whole world writes them off, I’ll be rooting for them to the dire end. No matter what the outcome is, we will all be fans, and no one can deny it, everyone us should keep rooting them on, we all complain and get upset because we love the Kings. Let’s just get behind them right now, thats what they need, a miracle may not be coming, but us as fans will be here to support this group and I for one couldn’t be more excited.
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Edward Meek Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 9:53 am
@Randell, Yes, everyone is writing the Kings off in the first round of the playoffs. No biggie, remember 1982 and the Miracle of Manchester? No one gave the Kings any hope against the Oilers in this series but the Kings did win the series. Remember, we was down 5-0 and laughed at by Gretzky, Sather and the Oilers, yet we kept plugging away!
Can I go ahead and say REPEAT??
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Anjin Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 8:44 am
@Blaked4, I honestly do not see DL bringing him up to the Kings.
If he really wanted to call someone up, why not another body from Manchester? Moller wasn’t the Monarchs leading scorer but DL wanted someone with NHL experience which is why I believe that Schenn will be playing for the Monarchs when they start the playoffs if at all. He may give the kid the summer off and tell him to get ready for training camp.
No way he’s in a Kings uniform before rookie camp in July.
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Wow. Bummer for Schenn.
I still say he goes to Manchester and centers Toffoli. We can always bring him up from Manchester if we play tomorrow like the Ducks are tonight.
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king1jason Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
@Cynic, I am having such a great time watching the sucks get demolished!
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kingCow Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
@king1jason,
MEEEE TOO!
I f the Kings play a diciplined defensive style, like the Preds, we’ll win for sure.
GO!KINGS!GO!
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Naturallawyer Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
@kingCow, The Preds are playing the way the Kings SHOULD play…but the Kings don’t have the patience to stay with that kind of system.
Player-X Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 5:14 am
@naturalllawyer… What?
NoDoughty Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
@king1jason, I’m in LOVE with that game
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ColoKingFan Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
@king1jason, its a shame…
…. that corey perry came back in the third. DUCKS SUCK!
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garry Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
@Cynic, He has nothing to prove in Manchester!
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Cynic Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
@garry, Really? He’s been player of the year there? Won a Calder Cup? Had a 100 point season there? I disagree. He has PLENTY to prove there.
Dominating 16-20 year olds is good. Dominating MEN in a league BELOW the NHL is something entirely different. He hasn’t done that yet.
The expectations for this kid are pretty high. If he can’t do it in the AHL, how is he going to do it here? There are a VERY select few who can make the jump successfully. Doughty was an exception. Watching Schenn play the games he was up, I’m not sure he’s ready for NHL PLAYOFF hockey just yet. Maybe regular season, but not the playoffs.
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mcsorleyfan Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 2:57 am
@Cynic, Agreed. Not sure how bad he’s banged up now, but the physical impact of elite teams hitting, hits by men in their prime with years of experience hitting, are not something I’m sure he’s ready for. There’s an old saying… Unless you’ve been bit by a dog that’s trained for biting, you haven’t been bit by a dog. Everyone he faces is a professional biting dog with years of experience. Brayden Schenn’s a valuable commodity and I have no doubt he has a very bright future at the NHL level before too long here. An injury due to rushing him up needlessly is not a challenge I’d like to put in front of him.
Token Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 6:17 am
@Cynic, He did put up a point per game in his short tenure at Manchester while on a conditioning stint for a bum knee over seven games.
I know it’s not conclusive but it sure does muddy the waters a bit.
John Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 10:14 am
@Cynic,
How do you know unless you see him the playoffs? A lot of people don’t think he’s ready for the NHL – based on what we saw in his short stint here, I respectfully disagree.
I do have a feeling you’re totally right though, DL will want him to be THE guy & help Manchester win the Calder Cup.
mrbrett7 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:37 pm
@garry, Please tell me what he has proven in Manchester? I’m so glad that because he has dominated kids that makes him ready to play in the NHL.
Next up will be the guy someone created on EA Sports NHL 2011…but hey, he scored 142 goals in 29 games.
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I say to the Minors its better to keep ur future weapon a future then bring him up for they can know what he able to do
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Don’t!! We lose a year off his contract. The possibility of him being a savior isn’t worth the year we lose!
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tantrum4 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
@DonnyK,
I don’t think that’s correct. Hockey players don’t get paid for the playoffs so I don’t think this would count toward his games total. Can anyone confirm this? Rich?
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Jkking Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:06 pm
@tantrum4, I thought hockey players get paid double during playoffs
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xeropoint Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
@tantrum4, Players’ salary only counts during the regular season. Games played total is another matter. So, yes it will burn a year if he plays 2 with the big club and no they don’t make anything post-season.
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ColoKingFan Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
@DonnyK, he doesnt have to be a savior, its an opportunity to experience playoff hockey for a guy who is going to (hopefully) be part of the team for years.. hes a 3M cap hit and an RFA in a couple years, burn the year – lets get a preview of our star C while getting him acclimated to the stanley cup playoffs
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I’m wondering if the decision is contingent upon Schenn agreeing to some kind of clause in his contract that gives the kings some levearge in his contract if they dicide to burn a year….I know I don’t know anything about the business end,,but what if?
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mrbrett7 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:38 pm
@Ravens, Would you give up millions just to play a handful of games? I certainly wouldn’t.
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jmsalsa Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 1:47 am
@mrbrett7,
would you give up millions to win a stanley cup? i might.
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Dominick Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 2:25 am
@jmsalsa, That is just ridiculas speculation. He couldn’t even help his Jr. team win a championship, and now you expect him to come here and win a cup?
mrbrett7 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 7:48 am
@jmsalsa, I would…can you gaurantee that he will win a cup? Nope, you can’t.
fuzzerson Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 9:17 am
@mrbrett7, If memory serves Jack Johnson played 5 games with the Kings when Michigan’s season ended. That burned a year off his contract. So it is not like the presedent has not been set.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 9:22 am
@fuzzerson, Yup…I think it was more than 5, but I may be wrong also. Was it worth it?
still with a game to go before buring a year whats the harm in getting his feet wet and bringin him in for game one? the worst that can happen is he plays great we win? if his play is not where terry and dean think it needs to be he gets sent down at that point.
my view is he is a skilled player who can help this club win, with that being the case he should be playing with the kings.
burn the year, you always play to win!
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EMB3 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
@jpl, That’s exactly what I was thinking, use the one game and decide after that. It’s a no brainer.
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i might have posted this before but
really … this is nothing but a good thing for Brayden and worth the contract burn for us.
1) he’s a rookie … if he makes a huge impact great … if he falls flat on his face, hey.. you’re a rookie
2) Is it just me or does throwing a player like him in the mix NOT cause headaches for the opposing team? Yes Schenn would have to adjust Terry’s system but the Fins would have to adapt to a relative unknown …
3) Very few people have talked about the benefits of Brayden having NHL Playoff experience going into next season … however it turns out… i can’t see the negatives.
4) Contract Shmontract … Burn IT … Play Em … Damn The Torpedoes, Grab the Reigns, HEAD FOR THE SUN!!!
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Chris P. Bacon Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
@Matt George,
The positives outweigh the negatives. Load up that team and bring him in. This is playoffs, baby!
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Doughty2Simmonds Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
@Matt George, AGREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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xeropoint Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 9:52 pm
@Matt George, I won’t complain if he gets called up. I don’t at all agree with it but I’ll trust DL to make the right call on this one. If history is any indication of what might unfold… he goes to Monarchs and “pays his dues” first.
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CB14 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
@Matt George, The only downside is his contract is up 1 year earlier, so if he turns into a star player then we have to pay him big time money a year earlier. That might not seem like a big deal, but look at what Chicago had to do last offseason. There’s a reason they barely made the playoffs this year after winning the cup last year, they had to trade some very good players because they were to close to the salary cap.
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kingrussell Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
@Matt George, I couldn’t agree more!
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Cynic Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
@Matt George,
#1 – I don’t think the kid is physically or mentally ready.
#2 – He gets majorly injured like Loktionov did and we won’t have him for next season. In the playoffs, the hitting is MUCH more intense.
#3 – You’re screwing with chemistry RIGHT BEFORE the playoffs. Not a smooth idea.
#4 – The fiscal blow screws us in 2 years when Schenn is going to demand some cash and we will need to sign him sooner than later. Fiscal flexibility is REAL important as conditions change thoroughout the season. I don’t discount it.
I don’t think you do it unless you absolutely have to. Just my take
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cpmc29 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
@Cynic, did’nt pk suban start his career with montreal last year in the playoffs? It would pay dividens in the long run. imo.
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Cynic Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
@cpmc29, I don’t know. If he did, could be a valid argument.
Can anyone confirm this?
BTW Rich- I thought my response there was fine, but I get it. Thx
CB14 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
@cpmc29,PK Subban played in 2 regular season games last year, and 14 playoff games.
@Cynic, they all got taken down, I wrote one and I believe Token did as well. Needless to say we all had your back.
Cynic Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
@cpmc29, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._K._Subban
You’re RIGHT! BUT….PK came up from a full season with the AHL Hamilton Bulldogs BEFORE he made that jump. He didn’t do it straight outta junior.
I’d like to know if anyone has ever done this straight from junior, starting their careers in the NHL playoffs.
deadite77 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
@cpmc29, Don’t forget Logan Couture started for SJ in last year’s play-offs.
Cynic Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
@cpmc29, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Couture
Also played 46 games in the AHL. Played 25 with the SHarks before his playoff run with them also.
mask0425x Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:59 pm
@Cynic,
#1 – I don’t think the kid is physically or mentally ready. Have you personally checked him recently? If yes, were you as thorough as a TSA agent checking a 6-year old (last night’s news)?
#2 – He gets majorly injured like Loktionov did and we won’t have him for next season. In the playoffs, the hitting is MUCH more intense. You are kidding, right? If not, let’s send all future and budding stars to the golf course now. It’s not like they have the whole summer to recover.
#3 – You’re screwing with chemistry RIGHT BEFORE the playoffs. Not a smooth idea. WHAT CHEMISTRY??? Are we not still talking about the team that backed into playoffs on the strength in shootouts?
#4 – The fiscal blow screws us in 2 years when Schenn is going to demand some cash and we will need to sign him sooner than later. We should be so lucky!!! Look at what last years playoffs did for Subban and Couture. That alone is worth all the risks in the world imho.
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Cynic Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:24 pm
@mask0425x,
#1 – It’s called an opinion. Feel free to disagree
#2 – It’s a legit parallel. Williams and Kopitar were both injured and are the same, and bigger in size than Schenn respectively. Schenn does not have their experience OR skill and is much more likely to get injured.
#3 – We’re talking about a team that found ways to win. I hate the line changes as much as anyone, but the team won IN SPITE OF THAT! That is chemistry, like it or not. They found more wins than 1/2 the teams in the league in a tight race. Yes, add Schenn, an untested rookie with a handful of AHL games and 8 NHL games to the mix in a sped up playoff atmosphere and guys will be second guessing themselves on the ice with him, believe it or not.
#4- Subban played an entire AHL season with Hamilton before he was called up. Couture played 46 games in the AHL with Worchester AND 25 regular season games with the Sharks before his NHL playoff run. Go look it up of simply scroll up where that conversation took place with links to their wiki sites & their stats.
John Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 10:18 am
@mask0425x,
We did NOT back into the playoffs! That’d be the World Champs.
KungFu King Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
@Cynic, one name for you to consider…Chris Kontos
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Cynic Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:27 pm
@KungFu King, Good name. Different time. Played in the AHL & NHL for 2 seasons from what I read. Good call though….
mask0425x Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 12:02 am
@Cynic,
#1 – opinions are good… they just need to be based on facts. The fact of the matter here is that neither you nor I have a slightest clue where th kid stands today physically and mentally. Let’s leave it to the pros
#2 – if AHL is such a safe place, why aren’t Lokti and Cliche playing? Or if size is the key, why was Pronger sidelined a couple of times this year? BTW, would love to see 5’5″ Gerbe run circles around him and hopefully score another highlight reel goal with Pronger front and center
#3 – we finished the year 3-4-0 since Kopi went down. Not enough to advance in playoffs, nevermind that we won’t be playing EDM either
#4 – good point about Subban and Couture having AHL experience. But… beggars can’t be choosers!
GKG
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deadcatbounce Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 6:02 am
@Cynic, #1 – I don’t think the kid is physically or mentally ready.
He dominated in juniors and just finished the playoffs there. Why wouldn’t he be ready when he’s still wearing his playoff face?
#2 – He gets majorly injured like Loktionov did and we won’t have him for next season. In the playoffs, the hitting is MUCH more intense.
I don’t think he’s that fragile. The risk of injury is something all NHL players have to face.
#3 – You’re screwing with chemistry RIGHT BEFORE the playoffs. Not a smooth idea.
Yeah, it wasn’t very nice for Kopitar and Williams to screw with the chemistry by getting hurt, either. You can look at it both ways.
#4 – The fiscal blow screws us in 2 years when Schenn is going to demand some cash and we will need to sign him sooner than later. Fiscal flexibility is
REAL important as conditions change thoroughout the season. I don’t discount it.
You’re assuming, of course, that he’s going to be a superstar in two years. What if he’s just average? What if he disappoints? The road is littered with junior players who never even got a sniff.
BRING HIM UP NOW!!!
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Cynic Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 9:41 am
@deadcatbounce,
#1 – Well, he just got swept there for one. So much for dominating Juniors.
#2 – Schenn is listed as almost the same height & weight as…..wait for it… JUSTIN WILLIAMS, and he’s never hurt.
#3 – Guys getting hurt alwaus screws with chemistry. Difference is, you can’t control that. You CAN control who you put in the line up though. All I’m saying is the guys have mentally prepared themselves to go to battle with their current lineup. To mess with and changes right at this moment (In my opinion) is very risky.
#4- There is a MUCH bigger chance of ruining his career by bringing him up now when he is not ready than to let his career play out the right way. (See Bernier for the right way) The intangible is what Mask said, none of us know exactly if he’s ready or not. My opinion is he’s not, but I’ll go with whatever DL thinks and hope for the best.
FemaleFan #1 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 7:00 am
@Cynic, Wow….u can’t seem to get a word in edgewise!! Poor guy! I know every one has differing opinions but the truth is, is that DL and TM are going to make the decisions that they are going to make. Bring Screen up or not, he could be a blessing or a curse. No one can predict. And in the end….what matters is gaining the W. Cause let’s be honest….in the playoffs, what matters is whether u win or lose….not how u play the game.
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Mongo88 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 8:49 am
@Matt George, You took the words right out of my mouth.
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Bring him to San Jose to practice on Friday and let the coaches decide if he’s ready to play top 6 minutes right now. If he’s not, send him to Manchester because it’s not worth exercising a year on his contract if he’s only playing 10 minutes a night. IMO.
I just remembered that he still has 1 game left before his contract kicks in with us. In that case play him in game 2 and see how it goes from there.
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CanadianKing Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 9:54 pm
@CB14, You can’t screw with a kid like that.. either bring him here because you know he can make an impact or send him to Man.
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CB14 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
@CanadianKing, I guess i’m too indecisive. Good point about not screwing with his head.
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anonandonanon Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 7:46 am
@CB14, His entry level pay is, for him, a big bonus and that should also build a little good will from the kid. Get him enough extra to get that Kings tattoo on his keester.
GKG GJG
UpperV Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
@CB14,
That’s gotta be one of the most rational comments I’ve read on this site in a long time.
The only reason not to go with that strategy would be because they are afraid of him actually having an impact in the one free game and then finding themselves almost forced to burn the year.
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jess Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
@CB14, very sound thinking
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Who cares if it burns a year off his contract…bring him up now! Playoffs are never a guarantee especially in the wild wild west. You gotta use what you have when you have it and hope everything works out. Even if we burn a year off his contract he will still be re-signed as a RFA and will not go anywhere. BRING HIM UP!!!!!!!
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I’m actually watching the Nashville feed of the Ducks game on the web and I forgot how BAD the homer announcers are for the Preds. WORSE THAN ANAHEIM and that is saying something! Biased like no other.
Shameful announcing.
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CB14 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:04 pm
@Cynic, How dare you say someone is a worse announcer than Brian Hayward. He’s worked long and hard at becoming the most biased color commentator in all of hockey and I will not stand by and let you tarnish his reputation in that way. You must apoligize immediately. LOL
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Cynic Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:15 pm
@CB14, I know, I know…but you had to hear these 2 jokers tonight. EVERYTHING was the refs fault.The Ducks penalties were 10 times worse than the Preds on EVERY call. They were getting power plays AND COMPLAINING it wasn’t enough at times. It was a work of art that even Hayward hasn’t matched yet.
Brian…the bar has officialkly been lowered.
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CB14 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
@Cynic, Look for him to step up his bias next game! I almost wish I could’ve heard those announcers just to see how bad they are, it’s like when a movie is so bad you absolutely have to watch it.
Cynic Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
@Cynic, You can find the feeds online, but I can’t divulge where. Against them rules ya know. I like to watch the other feeds from selected games that are NOT Kings related, just to see what other fans have for announcers. I thought Nashville would be a step up from the Ducks….boy was I surprised!
mcsorleyfan Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 3:13 am
@Cynic, wow….. I said the other day the Ducks announcers hurt my head worse than the brain surgery. This must really be BAAAAD
John Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 10:28 am
@Cynic,
But HOW is that different then Hayward & the other yahoo???
Matt George Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
@Cynic,
I could not agree MORE!
I realize Pete Weber personally is well liked within THE KINGS organization … He did the color commentating with Bob YEARS ago for .. like .. one year.
Pretty sure when the Predators came around, his hiring had more to do with his NHL connections than his actual talent … which I find to be … personally grating.
ACTUALLY Cynic, I will take it one further … The City of Nashville and the Fans of the Preds DESERVE better. Pete’s play by play calling is monotone, boring, and a detriment to the popularity of Southern Market NHL Teams.
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Cynic Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
@Matt George, Good points all around.
Strange to say this, but I got to listen to a little bit of teh Ducks radio announcer tonight on AM 830. I really liked his play-by-play. Made the game exciting even when you couldn’t see it. Couldn’t believe he was a Ducks announcer. Not sure who it is though. I thought Pat Conacher did some Ducks Radio, but that might have been a while ago.
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CiscoC Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 1:12 am
@Cynic,
I heard a little bit of the game in the 3rd period and the radio announcers were just whining about the non-calls on the Preds for like 10 minutes straight, so I changed it to the Dodger game.
Copper10-8 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 1:41 am
@Cynic,
The Ducks’ current radio play-by-play guy is Steve Carroll while the (radio) color analyst is Dan Wood
puck73 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 9:39 am
@Cynic, Pat Conacher was the worst color guy I have ever heard. He ranks right up there with Cami Granato…Horrible !
Cry Baby Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 7:21 am
@Cynic, I would have given my right foot to have been in the room when Avery when ballistic on Hayward. I bet some of the funniest insults were spewed during that tirade!
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We need him now, I’m sick of talking about the future. Load up with ammo for SJ
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this is what going to happen and i respect the right chocie of DL will do
DL will send him down
This is my thought maybe true maybe not who knows
If he plays with us in the playoffs if we get the boot since he a rookie might take it the wrong way and it might ruined him for next season
Let him go in minors where he can keep up even tho he could keep u with the Big boys but still make him feel more useful in the Minors than the NHL
I would agree with DL if he calls him up or not
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Bring him over for one game. That makes is the ninth game this season. Decide after that if he is effective.
Real simple.
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KingTrojan Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
@Token, Yep. Beat me to it. Exactly right.
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Cynic Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
@Token, I was thinking of that, but I think it really screws with the kid if you send him back down. One game to prove yourself in the playoffs no less?
I don’t know man….I guess I’d have to be DL to know if his character can handle it. Bernier couldn’t.
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Token Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
@Cynic, Yep, tough choice. Judging by what I’ve read, the Blades and Schenn’s line were supposed to be unstoppable, yet they got hammered at the junior level. Big question on how much he could bring to the big house playing against large tough guys.
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Cynic Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:24 pm
@Token, I agree your idea is an option, just depends on if Schenn can handle it if he gets sent down after one.
Token Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 6:30 am
@Cynic, After a nights sleep I’m less torn on this. Your point stands on it’s merrits, but is it any better to be the media darling of all of Canada and then not get called up at all? Id say the difference is subtle at best and either one is bad. Only one path has a possibility of a happy ending.
I’m back to bringing him up on the next flight out for play in the second or third game and then decide.
BTW, after reading the CBA last night, if it’s a contract concern, the player and club can make arrangements to modify the details.
penguin76 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
@Token,
he played one game last season and 8 games this season making it a total of 9 NHL games for Schenn. if he plays one more game, that will be his 10th and the entry level contract will kick in. this would make the 10-11 season the first of his 3 year ELC.
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Token Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:54 pm
@penguin76, It’s 10 NHL games per season. Page 24 od the CBA.
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penguin76 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:18 pm
@Token,
i stand corrected!
Bring him up for Game 3. It gives him a couple of days worth of practice, and if Game 3 doesn’t go well/implodes for Schenner, then use the option to send him down to Manchester and save the contract. We have a buffer game, let’s use it.
He may not be Kopitar, but he could be a second version of Stoll.
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
@KingTrojan, u mean better than Stoll cause i think he will shine some time in the future
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KingTrojan Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:32 pm
@KingsFanFTW, Oh yeah. I meant he could produce like a Stoll now.
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CAN ANYONE CONFIRM THAT WE WILL ACTUALLY BURN A YEAR OF HIS CONTRACT?? Players don’t get paid for playoffs and you can have as many players on your roster as you want so I don’t think this actually counts. RICH??
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CB14 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
@tantrum4, Rich posted this last night under the title “Schenn’s team one loss from elimination”
“From what I understand, if Schenn joins the Kings for the playoffs, he would still burn a year off his entry-level contract if he surpasses the nine-game mark. Schenn appeared in eight games with the Kings at the start of this season. If Schenn should become available in the next few days, the Kings would face a question: is it worth burning a year of Schenn’s contract, with no assurance that the Kings will go beyond the first round? It’s certainly an interesting question.”
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BFSTYLE33 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
@tantrum4,
It will burn one yr for sure. But he just becomes an RFA 1 yr sooner. As ofr players not getting paid for playoffs….that’s not true. They get paid and they also get bonuses.
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tantrum4 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
@BFSTYLE33,
Sorry but you’re wrong about them getting paid in the playoffs. They don’t. And without a link that confirms it burns a year off his contract I’m not going to just take your word for it. I’ve read both answers but no one can confirm it.
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CJBKingsfan Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 1:56 am
@tantrum4, the burning 1 year on the contract has nothing to do with money its all about games played regular season or playoffs. Every national and Canadian outlet talked about it when the Blades lost.
BFSTYLE33 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 9:15 am
@tantrum4,
OK…that’s fine. I’m just logically thinking about this. In the state of sports now, I can’t imagine players playing and not getting paid, especially during the playoffs. I can’t imagine a player now, signing a contract that doesn’t get them paid during the playoffs if they were to qualify. There are incentives in their contract that pays them bonuses like if they make it to the playoffs, first round etc…so they do get paid one way or the other.
I’m just too lazy to look it up for you but I’m 100% sure it will burn a yr off his contract.
xeropoint Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
@tantrum4, http://lakingsinsider.com/2011/04/12/schenns-team-one-loss-from-elimination/#comments
Rich seems to believe it will indeed burn a year if he gets 2 more games. I trust his research far more than my futile attempts at trying to dig anything solid up from the intrawebz.
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tantrum4 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
@xeropoint,
Ya I read that too but that still isnt 100%. Sounds like he’s guessing like the rest of us. On Quisp’s blog he says it doesnt count so who knows, Funny no one can actually confirm it with all the info out there these days, ha ha
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gcheng Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
@tantrum4,
im under the same impression that playoffs doesnt count as well cause a lot of rookies get called up during playoffs and i dont see many teams limit them at 9 games.
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xeropoint Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
@gcheng, In all honesty, how many playoff teams call up players from juniors… ever?
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tantrum4 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:06 pm
@xeropoint,
Bob McKenzie just confirmed it on Twitter. But he has to play in 2 more games not just one, and then it burns a year of his contract. Good ol’ Bob to the rescue as always.
mrbrett7 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:43 pm
@tantrum4, It’s been confirmed numerous times. That answer is yes.
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BRING HIM IN A.S.A.P reason is we NEED scoring help and power play options. And it’s a good way to help him gain bug time experience.
Con: we lose a year on his contract ( it’s not hard to just resign him to a long term contract)
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Brett Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:04 pm
@Brett, typo bug=big
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We burned 3 years off Moulson’s contract
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PP Anybody? Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
@KingsOfComedy, You really are the King Of Comedy!
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I believe Rich said recently that it’s as soon as he plays his 10th game.
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CB14 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
@CB14, My bad, meant as a reply to tantrum4.
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tantrum4 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
@CB14,
Rich said “it’s my understanding”. That’s not a 100% confirmation.
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CB14 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
@tantrum4, True. I guess we’ll find out soon enough, because if his contract doesn’t kick in, there’s no reason not to call him up, right?
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The GM’s job is to put the best team possible on the ice????
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
@Cry Baby, its DL job to bring him up or tot he minors i believe
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xeropoint Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
@Cry Baby, That’s an extreme oversimplification but not untrue.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:46 pm
@Cry Baby, It’s also his job to make sure that the franchise is viable for not only this season, but 10 years from now.
There is a reason why Dale Tallon was fired in Chicago. He put that team together that won a Stanley Cup, and he was fired for it. Why? He could not manage the cap to save his life.
Playing Schenn, and burning a year of his ELC screws with the planning for contracts of the entire roster going forward 3 to 4 years from now.
There is more at stake here than just one kid.
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Cynic Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:51 pm
@mrbrett7, Spot on.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 7:51 am
@Cynic, Notice how you were the ONLY person to respond to me. Rational thinking doesn’t enter the equation for most around here. Not all, but most.
Michael J. Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 9:59 am
@mrbrett7,
I agree with you too… now there are three!
John Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 10:51 am
@mrbrett7,
So, are you saying it was irrational to bring Jack in for those final 5 games? It’s not cookie-cutter, it’s a case by case basis, no?
And what happens if he gets sent Machester & they get knocked before us, send him to the World Championships? (he can play there, yeah?)
wavesinair Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 8:43 am
@mrbrett7,
It’s clear that DL is no Tallon. Deano is obsessed with the cap so I don’t think he’ll make a decision that that will put his plan in jeopardy.
That being said, no GM can totally predict what will happen. Things WILL change along the way, so that the landscape, however well planned, will be different 3 years down the road.
But back to the present. I’ve only been sifting through the 200+ comments so maybe I missed why you believe the “burn” will so negatively affect contract management.
From everything I’ve read, it seems to me that Lombardi hasn’t ruled out the “burn” at all. I’d say he’s leaning toward it. And this tells me that he doesn’t see a significant problem with it.
We shall soon see, but my guess is Schenn will be skating in a Kings uni very soon.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 9:25 am
@wavesinair, No, he hasn’t. You are also correct that there is not way to predict 3 years from now. What prospect will pan out, which one won’t, etc. That’s impossible.
However, if we have a Chicago situation on our hands, I will guarantee you, nay…I will bet every cent I have ever earned in my life, and ever cent I will ever earn going forward that these same people who are complaining right now that they want this guy brought up, will freak out when you must trade away important pieces of your team, just to keep others because you can’t keep everyone under the cap.
It’s a two way road, and one which many here refuse to travel down.
wavesinair Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 9:38 am
True. There is no limit to the unreasonable and illogical thinking of many sports fans. From a macro perspective, it’s meant to be that way. GM’s, Coaches, even players come and go, but the franchise is the one constant and the one overriding symbol that makes people mental. Just look at the “Kings” up north…
Michael J. Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 10:02 am
@mrbrett7,
Well said, very Robert Frost-like.
I’m not sure that I understand why so many people consider a guy who has . . . wait, let me get my calculator out . . . oh yeah, ZERO goals in the NHL, to be so important to our playoff success. There is no way that he is ready to jump from Major Junior to the Stanley Cup Playoffs. Send him to Manchester and let him develop.
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bbb7 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
@Offensive D, Agreed. Take the usual steps.
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C. Marshall Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 9:50 am
@Offensive D, it’s funny how this kid couldn’t help his junior team advanced, but he is going to come to the NHL playoffs sand make a HUGE impact. Are you people on glue?
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Michael J. Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 10:06 am
@C. Marshall,
The idea of bringing in Schenn is like taking a top Division 1AA running back and inserting him into an NFL starting lineup for the first week of the playoffs. With the rare exception (see Bo Jackson) could any mortal do such a thing and not end up hurting the team’s chances of winning.
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Bring him in for one game and let him score some goals. After that TM will have him thinking defense first, so he will be irrelevant. No need to play him in a second game.
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4LAKingz Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
@JackKentCooke,
I just laughed so hard I woke up my girlfriend! That is so true. Nice job!
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puck73 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 9:58 am
@JackKentCooke, Lmao !
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well i hope we get to see Schenn in action be great
off topic the Ducks lost their game 1 the only team to lose at home so far see if we take 4th we won that game
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Michael J. Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 10:07 am
@KingsFanFTW,
The ducks losing is NEVER “off topic”.
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Worth a look. May be hitting wall.Didnt have great series in 2nd rd but can score.Has added weight since start of year,mostly muscle.May be best to get him to manchester & see if he is ready.Please dont let money or contract be an issue.
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Well Schenn did what DL asked him to do. Go down and be dominant. But still seems out of character for DL to throw him in to this situation.
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If he is viewed as an upgrade to the current roster, how can you not bring him up? These are the Stanley Cup playoffs!!!!
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:15 pm
@rick, no clue would u if u were the GM of this team?
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Bring him up right now -we play 2 win !!!
(what happens if we get an injury next year again?-do we hold him out til he’s 40 until we have a fully healthy roster). Don’t act like ur throwing in the towel DL b4 the playoffs even start.
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I cant be certain but I think we lose a year off his contract no matter if he plays with the Kings or Monarchs. The only way that doesnt happen is if we dont turn him pro at all. Remember we needed permission to send him to Manchester on a conditioning assignment earlier this season. So if we are goimg to burn a year it might as well be with the big club.
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penguin76 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
@Phillip,
that was because he could only go back to juniors at the time due to his age. thats why the Kings had to get permission for a conditioning assignment, he was too young. now that his junior team has been eliminated from the playoffs in their league he is eligible for either the AHL or NHL with his age no longer an issue. if he plays for Manch we do not burn a year off his entry level contract. the 3 year entry level contract is only affected by the amount of games he plays in the NHL. once he hits 10, including playoffs, the clock starts on the contract.
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penguin76 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:25 pm
@penguin76,
Token posted the correction above. its 10 total games a season, not accumulated.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
@Phillip, If he plays with the Monarchs, his ELC is not effected.
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Being a lifelong King fan living in a WHL city (Portland) I have been following Schenns season very close.What he did at the junior championships was freakish.He has averaged 2 pts a game and .8 GPG. he is very skilled around the net.Even though the WHL is junior hockey with a much inferior quality of competition.Officiating is very spotty at best and skilled players do not get the benefit of the doubt.Scrums around goals are common and things like holding the stick,etc are seldom called.He needs to move up I think some PP time benefits the Kings as well as Braydens progression.
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tantrum4 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
@john conrad,
Bah your WinterHawks got lucky against my Rockets tonight. Your goalie Carruth won the game for ya!!
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john conrad Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:39 pm
@tantrum4, Your boy Mc Cloglan is pain in the arse.Manhattan Bch kid
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tantrum4 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
@john conrad,
Ya he’s a great player. Pretty small though, not sure he can make it in the bigs but I guess St Louis did so ya never know!
Who knows? Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:18 pm
@john conrad, Isnt Gasper Kopitar with the Winterhawks?
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KingTrojan Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
@Who knows?, He was. He’s in Des Moines in the USHL now.
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Darren Dreger on TSN just sais he thinks Schenn is going to Manchester
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@Cynic,
Game. Cynic. Not even close other guy.
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Cynic Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
@jonsey, ?????????????
Can you explain? Sorry.
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Cynic Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
@Cynic, Wait, think I just got it. Deleted post? Thx!
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This just in, they’re in the process of replacing Sturm with Schenn on the #10 jersey. We’ll probably see Brayden in game 2, for sure!
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KINGS CAM WIN THIS SERIES! Defense is the key obviously, defense like we played them in December in SJ when we SHUT THEM out. All these young guys better keep their tempers in check and not try to make fancy plays, when simple is better. PLEASE KINGS, get united, call each other out, play for one another. KINGS in 6! I look forward to see them for game 6 at Staples as we shake the SHARKS hands, and whisper to them…” better luck next time Thornton”. Then it’s on to Round 2!
GO LINGS GO!
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Fabkings Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:33 pm
@Fabkings, I hate typos! Go KINGS Go!
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
@Fabkings, dont worry i typo alot
we understand ur passion for this team and we glad u are here 
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dean Lombardi is not the type of guy to make a rash choice. It would also say a lot for him to tell the current lineup that they have what it takes and don’t need reinforcements.
I see the arguments for him though.
What is he going to get in free agency (restricted)?
If he plays, say, as good as Jordan Staal, he’ll make 4.25 million. Chances are, he won’t. Maximum he could get would be 3-4. Minimum, he could be looking at less than Doughty is earning now.
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IMO Management needs to put the best team on the ice, but that includes looking at the next few years. Solooking just at this play off series, or these play offs, is short sighted.
As far as the 19 year old kid Schenn’s development, IMO he plays a physical power game and, unless he’s clearly ready for it, better to be patient with the kid and let him grow in maturity and strength. IMO, I recall the Manchester season ticket holders not being over impressed with Schenn’s AHL stay, though he had the stats. Watching Schenn play some NHL games, I thought he showed guts and speed but got overmatched physically–a couple of plays I bet Schenn made easily in juniors ended up with him on his behind against the NHL brutes. I’d like to see the kid play up here sure. But since I’ve watched suckage for years I can be patient if that’s what management decides. Its pretty doubtful Schenn changes anything at this point with the Sharks playing so strong and the Kings thin already before Kopitar went down. If we had Kopitar it’s a very different team and a different decision. If schenn comes in now he has to adjust to the speed, strength and skill of a very good team. Sharks took their time with Couture and that patience worked out pretty well, I’d say. The AHL ain’t no cakewalk and the Sens sent down 8 players for the AHL affiliates playoff run. So the AHL competition will be a step up from what he just saw.
I also wonder how the kid is taking the series loss: jrs or not, major juniors is basically a pro league for kids and this was after all his hometown team that just got pummelled. As others pointed out, Schenn’s been moved around quite a bit this year. Shld be wearing on any human. Not that most hockey players admit to injuries or fatigue.
Well, leave it to the pros to figure out. I’ll bet they go patient and send Schenn to Manchester for the Monarch’s playoff run.
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john conrad Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
@Vicarious, Prbably not taking loss that bad.Was basically rented by Saskatoon after juniors.I do agree some time in AHL would be best but we need something on PP.Maybe im just hoping against hope
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john conrad Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
@Vicarious, Also it is easy for Sens to send down 8 players.They arent in playoffs
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Vicarious Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 8:35 am
@john conrad, I guess the points I was trying to make–and some points cut different ways– that the AHL playoffs would be a good test and then likely good experience for Schenn (as he wld be playing against a relatively stacked team) and the Kings should talk to Schenn (and his agent if he has one) to see where the Kid’s head is at before making their decision. I think we fans wld hv pretty unanimous opinion on where Schenn should play if the Kings were out of the playoffs.
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Well said. Good point about his emotional state just being elimiated. Having a chance to rebound in Manchester and do well seems a much safer bet than bringing him here. Nicely thought out.
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The NHL is a lot faster then Major Juniors and the kid will make mistakes that could cost us the game. He didn’t have what it takes to get his Junior tem to the next level. What makes you think he can do it in the Stanley Cup Playoffs against the best players in the world. Monarchs is where he belongs right now.
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Look what playing in the playoffs last year did for Logan Couture’s development.
Whatever they do with Schenn he should right a book about his year of hockey this season. Talk about a long strange trip.
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some fan Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
@some fan,
or write
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some fan Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:25 pm
@some fan,
I’m gonna keep talking to myself if nobody minds. They could always move Lewis back to the wing, he is a bit weak on the draws. Wouldn’t mind seeing:
Penner Stoll Williams
Smyth Schenn Brown
Clifford Richardson Simmonds
Ponikarovsky Handzus Lewis
Maybe wait until after game 2 to work him into the lineup during practice depending on how things go. They do have two games off between games 2 and 3.
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some fan Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:27 pm
@some fan,
*two days off
time for bed.
Scot Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
@some fan,
You just had the longest conversation with yourself!
But I agree. Schenn has had one looooooong year of hockey.
His being burnt out from all this should be reason enough to not call him up.
Great point about what the playoffs did for Couture though. Also Helm in Detroit.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:50 pm
@some fan, He also played most of the season in the AHL. Logan Couture is also 2 years OLDER than Schenn.
This is not that hard.
All of these examples of “look what the playoffs did for so and so”, are ALL players who played for at LEAST a year in the AHL, and are ALL older than Schenn. That means they are more physically mature, and mentally mature (one would think).
You’re not comparing apples to apples here.
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Chaz Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 12:32 am
@mrbrett7, Correct. You’re not comparing apples to apples here.
Q. Did any of those players even come close to shattering Gretzky, Lemieux, or Lindros’ record for points at the WJC?
I didn’t think so.
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Since '67 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 6:46 am
@Chaz, So he’s DEFINITELY going to be the next Gretzky, Lemieux, or Lindros then?
mrbrett7 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 7:55 am
@Chaz, Gretzky entered the NHL at age 20, in the REGULAR season. Lindros was more or less an unmittigated disaster for most of his career because…wait for it…wait for it…he was RUSHED INTO THE NHL.
I don’t know how old you are, or if you saw any of these kids play when they were Schenn’s age, but…Schenn couldn’t carry Gretzky, Lemieux, Lindros…hell Alexandre Daigle’s jock strap. He is nowhere near that level of talent…not even in the same solar system.
He has quite a bit of heart…but talent? Jeff Skinner has more talent than Schenn. Power forwards take a LONG time to develop.
I say bring him in. There is no better experience than to have it in the big dance. Schenn is ready and we need him. Do it kings managment.
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Bring him up and play him. We need all the help we can get. Making the playoffs next year is not guaranteed. Live for now, win now.
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btw, does anyone know if the kings will host a watch party. Cause i would love to attend to one of them and show off my team spirit. gkg
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bring him up we got nothing to lose and everyting to gain
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Bring him up at least he’s got some playoff experience.
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They better not bring him up and waste a year of his eligibility… Kopitar is injured, they will be competitive but cannot go far without him… If they were in contention for a cup, they wouldn’t need Schenn anyways… No reason to bring him up, he’s too young, just got eliminated from playoffs, and was not ready for NHL regular season to play this whole year… All of a sudden you think its ok to bring him in for NHL playoffs? Could help us win a game (MAYBE) but not the cup… NOT WORTH IT- NO CHANCE HE PLAYS- GO KINGS
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Scot Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:38 pm
@JayR.,
Couldn’t agree more!
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mrbrett7 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:52 pm
@JayR., Great post. If he were ready for NHL play, he would never have been sent back to Juniors in the first place.
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Chaz Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 12:35 am
@mrbrett7, Ah, correct again Mr. Brett.
But that was at the BEGINNING of the season.
He’s already had another full year in the juniors… and let me ask you, “How’d he do?”
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mrbrett7 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 7:57 am
@Chaz, I don’t know Chaz…how’d he do playing against kids? I would be more interested to know how he did playing against adults after a full season playing in Manchester.
How did he do in Juniors? Very well, as he should have, because he never belonged there. He belonged in Manchester this season, but due to the rules, he wasn’t allowed to be there.
wavesinair Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 8:56 am
@brett
I agree. In a perfect world, DL wanted Schenn in NH this year but it wasn’t possible. Back to Juniors was ok, but not helpful in his development except for the world juniors.
Regardless of where he played this year, what do you think the plan was/is for him next year?
Seems to me that he is a shoe-in for a spot on the Kings roster. It’s almost as anti-climatic as Bernier getting the backup job this year.
DL doesn’t rush players as we all know. The way I’m reading the writing on the wall, there’s no indication DL will do so with Schenn. I think he thinks he’ll be ready for the NHL. Just a guess of course, but it seems that way to me.
Having schenn is better than having oscar moller or kevin westgarth! Kings and the fans need to feel lik we have options.. play him! Its the playoffs.. go big or go home. Although I feel strongly that we should play him I have a feeling DL won’t got for it which is a shame.
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DL will not bring him in. Sorry folks. Forget about it.
He will be a stud in a Kings uniform for a long time. Let’s just calm down right now..
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IceGuy Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 8:36 am
@DBking,
Agree. This situation is all about Lombardi, NOT Schenn. It is not on Dean’s character to take a rash chance.
It IS in Dean’s nature to look at the future. Example: how we got Williams.
Remember, we were fighting for a playoff spot and Lombardi pulls the trigger on a trade for a wounded player. IN comes Williams who cannot possibly help the team now because he can’t skate. OUT goes a regular (Sully). Lombardi was looking to the future. I don’t see that changing.
Schenn is going to Manchester, and we’re gonna have to fight off the Fins with what we got.
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ask yourselves this, and please be truthful and honest:
how far do you think the current team will get in these playoffs?
after that, ask yourselves: is it worth using a year off an entry level contract for a top prospect?
i’m on the fence myself. i just don’t think we have enough offense to keep up. then there’s the San Jose choke factor. it shows up every year in spring as sure as the cherry blossoms! it could go either way really!
as far as Schenn, if you’re not sure you’re going to use him in more than one game, send him to Manchester. if you’re confident you’re going to play him every game, then burn the year, why the hell not!
over all, its probably not worth it. send him to the playoffs in the AHL.
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Scot Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:37 pm
@penguin76,
Agree. Read my post a little below here if you’d like. I share a lot of your opinions.
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Cynic Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:37 pm
@penguin76, You know, any team can win at any given time. For the Kings this year and our situation, it’s gonna take 2 things: Stellar Defense & Matchups.
If we can get by San Jose with that stellar Defense AND having SOMEONE step up offensively and carry the team, each matchup will be key. If we draw a Detroit, I think we do well. We seem to have their number (Although we did see how they just turn on the offense at will in tonight’s game.). If we get Phoenix, we’re in trouble. They seem to have our number.
Most likely our road to the cup would be:
San Jose
Vancouver
Nashville (If they keep playing like they did tonight, Otherwise Detroit)
Eastern Champs (I think Washington)
The 2nd round is what would scare me. Such a well-rounded team man. After that, I think it would get easier because we match up well with Nashville & Detroit & pretty much most teams in the east, especially the Caps.
It’s all guessing. Defense wins championships they say. We’re top 3 I believe in the NHL in defense. If someone starts scoring some goals for us, we got a legit shot.
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Chaz Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 12:38 am
@penguin76, ask yourselve this, and please be truthful and honest:
do you really think DL is assuming we’ll be knocked out first round like everyone seems to think?
does a GM even think like that? really?
fans perception and a GM expectations are entirely different.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 7:58 am
@Chaz, Yeah…I think he is thinking that way.
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Token Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 7:04 am
@penguin76, I’m pretty sure tha Flyers last year had the same kind of dilemma regarding expectations.
Fired their coach mid season, struggled all year with injury, eeked into the playoffs on a shoot-out.
History will be made.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 7:58 am
@Token, Difference is, they were healthy going into the playoffs.
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penguin76 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 10:17 am
@penguin76,
i would love nothing more than to have our Kings eliminate St Joe and advance to the second round. i’m also a realist, if thats at all a word, and when Anze went down our offense went down with him. he IS our top gun and the rest of the guys were not able to pick up the slack enough to take one from the Ducks. 44 shots in the second game and we only get one goal? you have to imagine if Kopi is on the ice and we have the same game, he puts in one or two of his shots in. without him we do not have the offensive talent, except maybe Williams and possibly Parse, to compete with the Sharks. yes our goal tending is very good, yes our defense is great, but offensively we limped into these playoffs. after Kopi went down the Kings were 3-4 and were outscored 17-11 in those 7 games. further, we only scored 1 goal in 4 of those 7 games. all loses true, but 1 of those was against San Jose whom we lost to 6-1.
i apologize if i’m being negative, but we have to be realistic about our current status.
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No brainer. Bring him up for one game. One game gets him to nine. Worry about game 10 after you see game 9.
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McDonalds Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:31 pm
@Tony,
I suppose…if he scores 2 goals and plays awesome, than keep him up. If he’s just average and we lose, send him down to Manchester
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BigSeeGas Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
@Tony, I totally agree! I mentioned the same thing in the other thread. This is an easy decision. If anything he gets some playoff experience… And if he dominates then leave him in and it’s worth keeping him to burn one year.
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Tony Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:39 pm
@BigSeeGas, Yep. Totally agree. Tomorrow is too soon. Play him Saturday and then make your decision!
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This is actually quite comical. for the last # of years all we hear is I’m a long time king fan, I’ve been waiting , Now’s the time, TM has no Ball, Lombardi’s an idiot… Blah blah blah. We actually have an opportunity to write history here. Fear keeps us in the shadow, why change now, lets give up again without a fight and try again next year… What if… what if, they do brig Schenn up, Waht if Williams is good to go and comes out of the gate strong. What if Penner shows up and and Poni is the playoff force we hope he is. What if the stars do align and we come together to make something happen that we can’t come together and agree on… How will we ever win anything if were not willing to take chances. Everybody has written off this season because Kopi is out. So we bring him up. Give him playoff experience. who knows…. What if…. It Works????
We’ll never know if we don’t try…
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Ask yourself this DL. Can you guarantee that the Kings will make the playoffs a year from now? You have a great D, but no O. You’ve got to bring this guy up. With the return of Williams and adding Schenn, it gives the team some much needed offense. Also, I believe in fate and Karma. There’s a reason that his team was eliminated a day before the Kings start the playoffs. It’s a sign. You’ve got to pull the trigger and bring him up. The team could make a long run. If you don’t bring him up, you’ll always wonder. Enough said.
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Cynic Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
@Poorman, Wait a minute. You’re a Duck fan now. I saw you put on the jersey today. Shameful. (Although, maybe that’s why they lost? In that case, well done) If it wasn’t for my good friend Hipcheck on your show today, I might have been saved from that sight.
The second surprise was that the Skeletones are still around. Our band played a show with them YEARS ago at Goodies (I believe)(Metal & Ska, it was interesting and fun). New stuff sounds good.
Schenn is not going to provide offense. he’ll set guys up, but he’s not replacing Kopi by any means. Besides, he’s got 8 NHL games and about as many AHL games under his belt. I think it would be suicide to put him in unless his character is so strong, he can handle the (most likely) imminent failure an NHL playoff run would produce for someone of his lack of experience.
It is interesting Saskatoon dropped 4 straight like that and the timing does seem interesting, but you don’t make moves like this based on coincidences.
Maybe we should have you wear that Duck jersey until they’re eliminated.
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Poorman Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:59 pm
@Cynic, I know, I won’t ever live that down. You know I am a life long Kings fan. I do not like the Ducks. The situation was bizarre. Hip Check comes in as my radio show guest wearing a Lappy 22 signed Kings Jersey. Paul from the Skeletones is also my radio show guest, has no idea that Hip Check is on my show, but walks in wearing a Ducks jersey. They are both seen on the on line video stream side by side on stickam.com/poormankcaa that supports the radio show. Paul, who I’ve known for years and once did a free show for me while I was at KROQ at the Whiskey that was co headlined by No Doubt, brings an extra Ducks jersey signed by Selanne. He wants me, a huge Kings fan, to put it on and take a picture with him in his Ducks Jersey. Paul had no idea that I even liked hockey. I had to take the picture in the Ducks jersey, because of my relationship with the Skeletones. Of course, now I’m screwed with the Kings crowd. The Poorman just can’t win!
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Since '67 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 7:20 am
@Poorman, Well sorry you had to do that, I could never put on that jersey. In fact I live down here in the OC and just a few years back my son and I were going to play in a league here. So the league manager (a typical dense Ducks fan) says the only team he can get us on is a team called the Ducks. He knows that we are huge Kings fans, anyway I reluctantly agree to play on that team. The topper is he also tells me that I have to purchase Ducks jerseys as well (the ‘mighty duck’ kind, eggplant and teal), FROM HIM. I let him know I’m not going to do that and that we’ll get our own jerseys, numbered too. So we show up for our first game with plain purple jerseys and he has a fit, as do his refs (also ignorant Ducks fans), and they try to make us change jerseys to some extra mighty ones that he has in his office. We say no way and point out that the other team, and many of the other games I’ve seen at his rink, have a vast mixture of different jerseys. He tries to stand his ground but after I tell him that we will just not play, and will need a refund, he finally allows us to use our jerseys. Needless to say the refs were quite partial against us, lots of weak penalties and players getting away with cheapshots. However, much to their dislike we were quite successful the few seasons we played there.
IceGuy Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 8:41 am
@Poorman,
What’s a Ducks jersey?
I’m going to go on record saying Schenn will be sent to Manchester tomorrow. If not tomorrow, maybe another day, but the point it, I HIGHLY DOUGHT (see what i did there
) that Schenn will be playing with the Kings tomorrow night in San Jose.
It’s just not worth burning a year when we might not even win the first round series. If we were the number 1 seed and just lost Kopitar, still unlikely, but maybe more of a slight chance.
Also, my guess is that this whole “one or two more games and it burns a year off his entry level contract” has NOTHING to do with where management sends him tomorrow. Let’s just assume this contract thing was not even involved. I think the Kings are being so careful with Schenn’s development, that they want him to continue putting one foot in front of the other. And his next step after Juniors is to play with Manchester (in their playoffs). And THEN, I think he will be ready for the show next season. But to just throw him into the NHL playoffs at this point, the day after being eliminated in Juniors? I don’t think so, regardless of his contract status.
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BigSeeGas Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:37 pm
@Scot, He doesn’t burn a year if he only plays one game. Would you agree that it’s a good move for him to play tomorrow and play it by ear?
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Tony Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
@BigSeeGas, Absolutely! No brainer!
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Scot Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:46 pm
@BigSeeGas,
I have been hearing both.. That Schenn has one more game until he burns a year, and two more games until he burns a year. I think he’s played 8, and I’ve always thought they are allowed 10, so I thought he was eligible to play one more without burning a year.
Would it be a bad move to play him for one game? I really don’t know. What if we win 5-0 behind 2 goals and an assist from Schenn? Up 1-0. And then we lose the next 4..? Was it really that worth it? We fans are about NOW, win NOW, fire your best bullet NOW. But, DL, as GM, has a job to do. He needs to look out for the franchise, afterall, it is a business. We would have to re-sign Schenn in 2 years if he burns a year. If he doesn’t, we have THREE YEARS of Schenn playing at the NHL before we have to sign him, and that starts NEXT SEASON. I kind of like that 2nd option, and I think it would be in DL’s best interests.
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BigSeeGas Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
@Scot, if we win 5-0 behind a game like that for schenn and then lose the next 4 it would have been worth. I know it sounds crazy but it shows that the ownership believes that this team can win. By not bringing him up DL is basically saying we dont have a chance so just wait for next year…. I think this puts a fire under everyone.
mrbrett7 Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:55 pm
@BigSeeGas, I wouldn’t. So, he plays a game and stinks it up. “Sorry kid, you sucked, down to the minor’s with you.”. So in one week, he goes from being eliminated in Juniors, to the NHL, where he can’t hack it, to the AHL, where NOBODY KNOWS if he can hack it.
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Poorman Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
@Scot, As I said in my post above yours, you don’t have any guarantee that the Kings will even be in the playoffs in a year. You can speculate all you want, but this is a very talented player and the Kings desperately need offense, and the series hasn’t begun yet. With that being said, I agree that they probably won’t bring him up. And watch, they’ll send him to Manchester and he’ll get hurt like Lochti did. If I was GM, he be up with the Kings, no brainer. Sometimes, you have to roll the dice.
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KingzzFan Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:45 pm
@Poorman, Spot on Poorman, We can speculate all we want, I say if everybody is already thinking we wont make it out of the first round, why not swing for the fence and do something different and take a chance on this kid. 4th line:
Poni/Schenn/Lewis now there is a servicable 4th line that has serious scoring potential
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Scot Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 11:49 pm
@Poorman,
See my response right above.. I’m with you. I’m a fan too, and I would LOVE to see Schenn in our lineup tomorrow night. I just don’t think DL would be wise to do it. Sometimes you don’t get anywhere in life without rolling the dice, but that’s a pretty big roll of the dice.
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Here’s how I view it.
The desperate fan inside of me wants Schenn in a Kings jersey tomorrow night. So what if we burn a year off his contract?
Right now Schenn is worth about $3.1 million on the salary cap. Let’s assume that Schenn doesn’t come into his own as a top 2nd line center until his 3rd year anyways. In this scenario, after his second year we would sign him to a reasonable extension (because he’s not THAT good yet), and the very next season (his 3rd) he would break out and put up spectacular numbers. So in this scenario, it would be SMART to burn a year of his contact now–that way we could sign him at a reasonable number before he breaks out.
My point is that while yes, burning a year off his contract might be a bad thing, it could also potentially be a good thing. It just depends on how the cookie crumbles.
So if we can’t be sure of what the right decision would be for the future, what about for the present? I think the Kings are better with Schenn than without him.
Therefore, I am in favor of DL calling up Schenn. But if he doesn’t, I’ll completely understand his reasoning
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Shakes Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 6:19 am
@McDonalds,
I like your thinking, it’s a pretty neat angle. Basically, if i understand properly, burning a year off his contract right now gives us a chance to re-sign his contract while he is still climbing up the forward curve, and hence we’re able to lock him up during his extension for a slightly lower level
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Scot Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 10:38 am
@Shakes,
McDonalds Shakes!
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Cynic Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 9:53 am
@McDonalds, Very interesting thinking. A lot of soothsaying, but pretty much all the stuff we’re talking about in this thread is.
You could be right.
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COMPLETELY OFF SUBJECT:
I have the NHL Live “Online” Package. It’s been great all year, however I”m noticing that half of the games were blocked out tonight from this package. I’m one of the morons who no longer has DirectTV or Cable as our family uses the internet for everything.
My question: Does anyone else have the NHL Online Package? If you do, do you know what games are scheduled for air vs. blackout? I’ve read the TS page, but it isn’t consistent. For instance, I should not have been able to watch the Caps game, but could. However, the Canucks game was blacked out as expected.
Anyone know? I’d have to have to cut my wrists, or worse yet…. watch the game at a friends house who is a Quacks fan! God please!!! NOOOOOOO!!!!
http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/
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Garrett Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 12:12 am
@Garrett, Nevermind, I”ve sadly figured it out by clicking on the game feed in advance. I’m going now to find a sharp knife. (Or new friends)
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Osaka Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 12:28 am
@Garrett, Dude! I am in Japan, I can only watch online.
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Garrett Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 1:22 am
@Osaka, Then click the noooooo button and have a shot of saki.
Cynic Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 9:58 am
@Osaka, Both of you need to e-mail me if you want help with this. Just click on my name, go to the contact page and leave me your contact info and I will write you both back. Just don’t want to break the rules here.
Seattle757 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 2:14 am
@Garrett, Up here in Seattle, I was able to watch the Washington/Rangers, Tampa/Pittsburgh, and Nashville/Ducks on NHL Gamecenter Live online. For today’s Kings/Sharks game, the game is blacked out along with the Montreal/Boston game. The only game you can watch is the Flyers/Sabres game.
So I guess I’ll be heading to the bar here in Seattle to watch the game since I too don’t have cable.
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HE’S NOT READY! He needs to go to Manchester, the intensity of the NHL play-offs will not benefit him at this time. Better to continue his development, would rather have him productive in 2 years than risk something catastrophic now. He’s still a kid!
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Poorman Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 3:37 am
@5hole, Same age as Clifford. He’s considered the #1 non NHL prospect. What do you think he’ll do, fall apart. He sure might mess up that lethal Kings power p[ay! C’mon!
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To everyone who wants to wait for the future, haven’t you waited long enough? No one is guaranteed tomorrow, including this team, we could run into a string of injuries next year that devastate our season.time for this franchise to grow some cajones, pool their talent and realize this is their time.you can’t wait for the future every year, at some point you just have to go for it.if this was the flyers team from last year that squeaked into the playoffs I am sure everyone would be just as skeptical, and not want bring him up…you never know what can happen…they went to the finals. i think over 40 years of sucking has brainwashed alot of kings fans into always believing the best years are ahead, the best years could be right now.
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Osaka Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 12:24 am
@Chris, So true, I have never seen such cautious hockey fans! Phil and Bos both traded 1st round picks for rental players. They are going for the cup. All we are doing is playing a prospect and people are concerned?!?! Really? What are you affriad of, winning? Someone said Schenn could get hurt, really? Maybe he should stay in bed then. Worried about his developement? Is there anything better than playoff hockey? He is too young? Clifford is his age. There are 18 year olds in this leauge. Your affraid he will be good and we have to pay him in a couple years? Really? I hope we have to pay him big time! This is PLAYOFFS! This is hockey! Come on soccer moms.
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Dillon Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 12:26 am
@Osaka,
Amen!
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Cynic Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 10:03 am
@Osaka, What we’re afraid of is doing the exact things those teams have done again and again with no results. Basically what we have done for the first 40 years of this team’s existence. I’ve watched quite a few of those years, was happy when we tried to make those moves and watched the utter failure and bankruptcy of our farm system
We’re trying a NEW path for a change that is supposed to build a dynasty a la Detroit. The whole point is to be cautious and patient.
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tuan jim Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 12:31 am
@Chris,
And if you burn a year off the kid’s contract and the Kings tank in the first round?
Even with a full complement of healthy guys we didn’t exactly beat the Sharks like red-haired stepchildren. JW wants back on the ice, but remember what happened in last year’s playoffs when he came back too soon? He was not only a hole in the ice but an actual detriment.
I’d rather give ice time to Parse than Schenn at this point. I agree you never know what will happen, but I believe this team will make the playoffs next year. I just don’t see a rookie like Schenn making that significant a difference in this series.
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Osaka Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 12:45 am
@tuan jim, Burning a year could be a good thing. If he developes into a solid player he will demand more money in 3 years of developement than 2 years. He will be further along and a better player.
Parse is a wing and Schenn is a center.
I don’t think he is a savior, but could he help? At all?
You never know who will be a surprise hero come playoff time. Can’t say I don’t see so and so doing it. Every year there is a John Druce.
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kingT Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 12:55 am
@Chris, WELL SAID!!! I have been a Kings fan for 24 years, many fans have been following them for alot longer. Its time to think outside the box…We have the D, G and Jason Williams will be back…who knows, maybe we wont even need him…if our offence doesn’t wake up, it be good to have that option, however, its a new season now…I believe that our offence WILL wake up in the playoffs, we WILL have players get over their slumps, and our D will continue to be sound…Everyone is writing us off, it would be great to make them eat their words. BELIEVE. GO KINGS GO!!!!
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 12:59 am
@Chris, i wait into it comes cause tomorrow is the future so no matter what am waiting for the future to come and when it comes its going to be beautiful
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Tony Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 1:38 am
@Chris, totally agree with you. there are no guarantees. we have to always put our best foot forward!
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send Schenn to Manchester and let him get playoff experience there. no need to burn a year off the contract as there is no reason to think he will have a major impact. he didn’t earlier in the season and he hasn’t been with the team in four months.
give him a taste of the AHL and see how he does. it’s too much to ask to jump from junior to the NHL playoffs.
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I think saving him for the future is better than playing him in a contest we’re sure to lose anyway. It’s not like bringing him in improves the odds by that much. The experience will come eventually and he has the better half of 2 decades ahead of him.
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Osaka Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 12:47 am
@Skooma, Going to lose? Kings are going to win!
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Sorry folks, it’s not worth burning a year off his contract.
Yes, he can help the Kings but let’s be real. This is going to be a short series, I hate to admit it but the Kings haven’t been playing real well of late, the Sharks have. The Sharks are deeper, have more experience and far better scoring. The Kings are better defensively and defense does win playoff games. The problem is, the Kings don’t have anyone who can consistently put the biscuit in the basket. Willy is still hurt and god knows which version of Penner will show up. Brownie will give it is best but in the end, this series is going to be over far sooner than any of us want or expect.
Long story short, is it worth burning a year off a contract on someone who is probably the best player in juniors right now?? Frankly, I didn’t believe Schenner should have been sent back to juniors to begin with but the horse is kinda out of the barn now. He won’t do much for a team in a short series. He played extremely well in Manchester on his conditioning assignment. He’ll do well there and the experience in the AHL playoffs will won’t hurt him either.
Bottom line, don’t burn a year off Schenn’s contract for a short series. We do have his career to consider long term as a King. He’ll make the team for sure next year. It isn’t worth loosing the year on his contract. One junior player, even the best player in juniors an NHL team does not make.
BTW…Manchester released a forward on a tryout contact today…..making room??
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Osaka Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 12:59 am
@Moondoggie, Kings are going to win. They played a few poor games but they do that, they’ve been streaky all season. When they’er on they are on. They are a young team that has problems staying focussed. I think the playoffs will have their attention. Look at their record down the stretch, they played great. Once they clinched there was a let up. Besides, it is San Jose. There isn’t a team I would rather face. SJ will choke again. Thorton and comp have 100 gorillas on their backs.
Stop with the beaten dog syndrome guys. It is OK to come out of the corner, newspaper is not bad. Don’t be affraid of being beat. Be affraid of not trying. I like this Kings team, going deep. Get Schenn and go all in.
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Dominick Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 2:58 am
@Moondoggie,
I agree. Don’t do it. If we did bring him up, and were still eliminated, I’ll bet that half these guys who argued to do it, will be here saying how they’re not impressed, and what a waist of a draft pick Schenn is, over the summer.
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nykingfan Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 7:59 am
@Moondoggie,
agree buddy!
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Send him to Manchester today to play today and tomorrow play off games and eventually also Sunday 17th. in that time we will see what will happen in series with San Jose at first two games. We will see how will he play in Manchester first 3 playoff games. We will see if Williams can be usefull after injury, if our veteran players like Zeus, Poni, Penner, Smyth can step up with their play.
We can give him his 9th game start on game 3 or 4 of the series. We will see how strong Kings will step up on first two or 3 games. If management will think that we can not overplay Sharks leave him in AHL. Otherwise rent a private jet and fly him coast to coast.
And one other think – his team in juniors was biggest contender for a cup. They were thrown out of the series in 4, with best NHL prospect (Schenn) in line-up. What was his impact on that games? If he could not help with his quality to his junior team, will he help to his NHL team?
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Token Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 8:37 am
@slovenian fan, Good thinking. Solid logic.
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I agree with most of everything I read except that he is not ready and not physically ready to handle playoff NHL Hockey. That is total bull. He’s a big boy, not some little 5 foot nothing. He plays hard nose hockey and has great hands and touch around the net, something we need desperately without Kopi. I know we burn the year but like a lot of others have mentioned, it will be great experience for him andafter his year, if we get shut out and lose first round, it won’t hurt his Confidence. The guy just goes out and plays, no matter what the team is, junior Olympics, juniors, Kings, whatever. Bottom line is he just played in back to back games with the Blades, Tuesday and Wednesday, he will NOT play in game one Thursday.
If we win game one, I dought ( lol ) they will call him u this year. But if we lose game one, I think DM will really consider it. I don’t think we should call him up for the one game just to see. We either call him up for good or don’t, you can’t judge a player by one game. He. Could have three points, then go soreness the rest of playoffs, or vise versa… one game won’t due.
I really felt the Kings should have kept him on the roster all year. He played well in those 8 games as he was adjusting to the speed of the big show. I think if he played the entire season, he would have been more productive than Poni… just think if they did the same thing for Doughty, you get 8 games and then we will see about keeping you for the year….. no instead they took a chance playing the 18 year old and that worked out……mostly ;+)
Lastly ….. I agree, there’s no for sure about playoffs next year, were already there, let’s go for it now. Bottom line is Schenn can help the team now……so let him……I hope DL and the Kings do but it probably won’t happen. Here’s praying that our Defense and Quick can carry us and someone steps up and sparks some offense. If this series goes like our last game against San Jose …. I might just slit my wrists….
Go Kings!!!!!!!
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What the crap! Why why most of my Kings fan thinking we are done, yes KOPI is the man but not our saver! People we are in the playoffs next year is no guaranty we are in. We can injuries next year knock us out. Or guys just playing hurt! I say go for it now.
If the stars Aline together we got a great chance to advaance.
Here what it will take. Smyth Simms & brown go to the next level
DD & JJ Do what they did last year
The new scoring line starting game 2, Penner- Schenn- willams
Quick & bennier have eachother back!
This possible we just TM to let this team Play!
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If he couldn’t do it earlier when we were at full strength, why are so many convinced DL should do it now when were not at full strength?
If he couldn’t save his Jr. team from being eliminated then how come everyones claiming he can save this NHL franchise?
So far I haven’t read 1 post that makes sense. Just a lot of panicky fans thinking with their hearts, and not their heads.
Desperations a stinky colonge.
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Shakes Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 6:24 am
@Dominick,
That’s the one side issue which no one has mentioned…he couldn’t carry his Junior team, so we should expect him to carry the NHL team (yet). Now that being said there are obvious some differences to note:
- he was the number 1 person for the opposition to target in Juniors, that won’t be the case now
- from what I read his Junior coach completely revamped the lines a few timesmaking any sorta chemistry difficult…but not just moving wingers around (the way normal coaches do) but rathe Schenn literally was centering a line with two other centerman. Bizarre
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PP Anybody? Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 9:09 am
@Shakes, Sounds exactly like what TM would do.
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He didn’t make the team because we were full strength. We lost a center and he plays center. He doesn’t need to carry the team, no preasure. If he played 2nd, 3rd, or 4th line center it would be a great addition. Sit Richardson or have him play wing instead of Westy. Yes, even a 4th line center. This is the playoffs.
Not desperation, determination to winning.
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Dominick Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 3:03 am
@Osaka, Lower rolls compared to an entire year when he’ll be good enough to play premier rolls?
I say don’t do it.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 8:00 am
@Osaka, Not desperation? Rushing this kid into the playoffs REEKS of desperation.
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get him in for game. Wait until after the first game and see how we are doing. If we are dominating the Sharks, there is no reason to bring him up. The other choice is to throw him in the lineup tomorrow night and see what happens. It is the first game and it might be a big impact having him in the lineup, either way, I do think since he has 1 game he can play, he should be worked in somewhere along the way.
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I love how people are blaming schenn for his team being eliminated. I guess schenns 11 points in 9 games wasn’t good enough. The truth is to a low scoring team like the kings can benefit greatly from even a few points from schenn. We got guys like stoll, Zus, lewis, rich who are all centers but never have been great point producers. Then we have the highest prospect available at our hands now. Hes a point producer. Put him in with talented guys like penner, williams, brown and watch the points come. The only thing holding kings back is lack of offense. Schenn can add alot more than some of our current players. if i was coach i would use these lines
penner-schenn-williams
smyth-lewis-brown
poni-stoll-simmon
cliff-zus-rich/moller
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Kyler21 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 6:21 am
@jason, WOW you cant throw schenn into the number 1 center position it might be to much responsibility put him on the number 2 or three
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jason Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 6:52 am
@Kyler21, with murray coach anything is possible.. the only liability we have is johnson.. schenn is physical and I personally liked how he played for kings.. he was very close to having a few goals but just unlucky bounces.. What other Centers do we have? All guys who dont put up points. While stoll is the top point producer he has been negative +/- in the last few weeks of the season.. we need points and its not going to be hard for him to produce more points than our current centers.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 8:01 am
@jason, So you want Schenn to match up on defense with Joe Thornton? REALLY? He’ll get killed!
One of the most important things for any NHL player to get is playoff experience. When you have a chance to give (what is clearly a player who will be with the Kings for a long time) one of your young players some playoff experience you take it. Who knows what next years brings with injuries and such. Give Schenn some playoff experience that will pay off someday in the future.
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number 6 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 6:11 am
@KC23,
Why can’t he get playoff experience next year. That will pay off too, and hopefully the Kings will have a stronger team that will help support him in his playoff experience. But that’s just my opinion.
Also, as pointed out, it burns off a year of his entry level contract. What if the Kings go out in five (certainly not impossible)? Then the piper has to be paid a bit earlier down the road.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 8:02 am
@KC23, I won’t argue with this point. In fact, the argument that has been brought up that there is no gaurantee that they even make the playoffs next year, you can’t argue with either. It’s a valid statement and point.
I don’t think they have any issues myself. I actually think the Kings win the Pacific Division…but that’s just me.
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I think there are two major factors at play with Schenn: He has one game left, and the Kings are very thin roster-wise. We are at absolute minimum, with only one spare forward even after Williams has come back. If you are hoping for a deep run, you have to expect at least fatigue, if not outright injury, making another forward helpful if not necessary.
Schenn would benefit from the game experience, you handle the potential head-case by explaining to him that you want to save the year, but have him around anyway based on need. Let him see the show, play him in game two, keep him for at least a few games after that to practice and be with the team. Just getting that look should feel like a compliment, and if someone goes down he is there, or of we win the series, he is there for the next one.
Don’t burn the year needlessly, but don’t get caught needing the guy and he has to fly in cold and suit up with no rest.
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KC23 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 5:44 am
@Player-X, Not a bad plan. See what happens without Schenn in game 1, but have him with the team. We lose game one play him game 2 and see what happens. If he has no impact you still haven’t burned a year on his contract and he gets a game of playoff experience.
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What a mess of a thread. There is absolutely NO reason to think he will be a difference maker worth spending a year of his ELC. None. No justification for it whatsoever. It also sends the message to the rest of the centers that Dean lacks faith in them. Dance with the one you brought. Send Schenn to Manch, but do not bring him up to LA. There is no time for him to build chemistry, get in the groove, or whatever.
Gah, burning a year from his elc for a 19 year old that didn’t play well enough previously to usurp Stoll for the 2nd center spot…it’d be one thing if he was expected to come in, center the top line, and produce, but you’re out of your mind if you think he’s going to even out perform Trevor Lewis right now.
Its not happening, people
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number 6 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 6:14 am
@harglebargle,
Harblebargle, I totally agree with you. But when I posted a paragraph last night I got (via email – lucky me linking me to the reply) a really borderline nasty response….. ‘what are you, clairvoyant’? So now as you’ll see below I always put in a disclaimer to not ruffle anyone’s feathers….. Repeat after me…. ‘it’s only my opinion’ ‘it’s only my opinion’.
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This is a very heated subject obviously. One thing that seemingly hasn’t been brought up yet so I’ll pose it…. Oh, and before I do…. It’s Only My Opinion.
His junior team traded five players to get him. They were favored to have a long playoff run. Yet, in spite of that, they were swept. Now junior is 16-20 and below the level of AHL. So if he was unable to help his favored junior team win even a single game in the second round, how is it that he can just slot in to an nhl team and make a major impact?
Also, all these constant comparisons to pk subban and logan couture. Well they were both drafted in earlier drafts than schenn, And they both played in the AHL.
No doubt that Schenn will be important and have an impact in future Kings playoff runs, but to expect him to be an impact player now is a gamble that me…… I personally wouldn’t be willing to take to burn a year of his contract. But it’s DL’s call, not mine.
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harglebargle Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 6:13 am
@number 6, using the sweep of his junior team as an indicator to the type of player he is might be one of the dumber points to cling to. Yet several people are doing exactly that.
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number 6 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 6:17 am
@harglebargle,
If you look at my response to your post above, you’ll see that I was in total agreement with you. But it got people very angry (yesterday) so I decided just for a change to mention something else just for a sort of change of pace. That’s all. By the way, I was quite supportive of your comments above before I read this one. So I’ll say that the use of the word ‘dumber’ is not terribly appreciated by me. It’s essentially saying I’m dumb (after all I’m the one who made the comments) so while you don’t have to support my comments, perhaps you could use a softer word.
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nykingfan Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 6:20 am
@harglebargle,
It’s not dumb in the sense that people feel he can come up and make a difference in whether we advance or not. Isn’t that the question?
If he couldn’t “will” his junior team to win, how does he become the savior up here?
also, you might want to re-read his post. He said nothing about the type of player that he is.
In all honesty, none of us really know the type of player he is because we’ve had just brief glimpses of him.
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Kyler21 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 6:18 am
@number 6, i Completely agree with you on all that but (and remember this is just my opinion) i think we should still call him up yeah his junior team lost but only one team wins the championship and the odds are against every team.. now the reasoning behind my opinion is this we have no offence we score 1 maybe 2 goals in a game and and injuries in the minors restrict what we can bring up to help us. i think schenn can help us with a little offence im not saying he is the answer to our problems im just saying i dont wanna be humiliated in the playoffs and if he is available to help bring him up
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nykingfan Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 6:21 am
@number 6,
I agree with you man.
I guess we’ll find out soon enough and if DL does decide to activate him for the Sharks series, I hope we’re both wrong!
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number 6 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 6:28 am
@nykingfan,
Hey man, so nice to hear from you. Thanks. I hate to say this but some of the comments back to me have been less than subtle. Maybe I needed that only in the sense that A) I have a strong opinion about this and need to always reinforce that it’s only my opinion and B) That it isn’t my decision.
But I may need to maintain a far subtler profile on this blog for a while. It’s not a nice feeling having people coming back at you aggressively when all you’ve done is state a simple opinion.
Anyway, thanks again…… and like you say, if they do bring him up I hope we’re both wrong.
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Kyler21 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 6:31 am
@number 6, hope you didnt feel that way about mine. it was just my opinion and didnt mean for it to come off rude or inappropriate in any way
nykingfan Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 8:06 am
@number 6,
Honestly, don’t feel that way. If you have an opinion you believe in, you should state it without worrying about other posters. I enjoy reading your posts.
I read the comments from people who think I’m an idiot..not just my wife’s posts, but others. they all make valid points (other than her). lol
there’s a way to disagree with respect..too many posters (including me) need to do a better job of that.
jason Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 6:54 am
@number 6, he got 11 points in 9 games. If he did half of that for the kings it would be a huge impact on if kings win or not. especially because how much of a D minded team kings are
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nykingfan Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 8:10 am
@jason,
that’s quite a leap though from Juniors to the NHL. Look at Moller’s production since he got called up from Manchester.
especially when it comes to the playoffs…schenn wouldn’t have 99% of the room on ice to perform that he did in juniors…jsut a different animal in the NHL.
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Oh, and my Last Comment on the subject….. whether or not I think it’s good business sense to bring him up or not, it would probably be more fun to watch the series if he were here (for me at least). But it’s not my team and it’s not my money so they can and should do what they think is right.
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@Kyler
No Kyler, I didn’t at all take exception with what you said. Your points were stated in a very nice way….. which actually shows that not everyone has to agree and we can still do it in a very civil way. But thank you very much for your concern. It’s much appreciated.
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If he’s got a game left in the NHL before his eligibility is changed then I’ll bet they try him.
But where is Schenn right now? That’s the question that will tell us what DL is thinking/planning. Did he drive to Seattle to catch a flight to San Jose? Did he take the 12 hour bus ride back to Saskatoon? Further, would he have to wait for a visa like Penner?
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If he plays 2 games he loses a year on his contract (he has already played 8 and if you play 10 you lose a contract year). So i say if this series goes to 7 put him in that last game. If we lose he doesn’t lose a year on his contract if we win maybe we can make a run with him in the lineup.
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Don’t sweat the small stuff, send him to Manchester!!!!!
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I can’t wait to see what DL does in this situation.
I’m on the fence about it to be truthful. There are good arguements for and against it.
I just want to see the Kings win this series.
Forever hopeful, I voted Kings in 7.
Even though it would be nice to win at home, I’d love to silence the tank in game 7.
Dream until your dreams come true. GKG!
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kinginsaltlake Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 7:10 am
@KFII, Good Morning, Friend. Here we go, Playoffs. With the way Nashville played last night it proved that a solid “D” wins games. Bring Scheen up just wouldn’t be a good business move. I know it’s not an easy choice, but sometimes being patient is a good thing. Let’s see how tonoght’s game goes. We have got 2 games to win. Let’s get this first one today. Hope all is well and may the Force be with you.
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KFII Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 7:36 am
@kinginsaltlake, Good morning back at ya! Yes, I’m so excited for tonights game. I want the Kings to do well against the Sharks so bad. The rest of my family are Sharks fans, parents, oldest sister and brother. Of course they live up in that area, so I can’t fault them. I’m the only one who lived in L.A. abd became a Kings fan, but long before any of them were even interested in hockey. Of course I want the Kings to win for the team and for us fans, but I’d sure like to be the one in my family doing all the smiling when the series is over.
Here’s to a great played game tonight and may the Kings make us proud. See on here tonight between periods, I’m sure.
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Bring Brayden Schenn up immediatly…………….. to watch the playoffs, not to play. That will motivate him to work hard to get to the BIG CLUB.
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The prudent thing to do its to at least bring him in to practice with the Big Club. He still has one game to play before his contract kicks in so why not put him in for at least one game?
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Call him up. He could be the key to the series or playoffs. If the Kings lose in round 1 it’s because Shenn wasn’t called up!
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number 6 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 8:03 am
@camarillo andy,
So, one player only would win or lose a series for the Kings. Personally I don’t agree with that. Wayne Gretzky couldn’t win the Cup for the Kings. Hockey is a team sport of 22 (or whatever the number is) players.
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Off topic, but living out of the area, and having to watch the games on Verses last night, I couldn’t believe the poor coverage they had on the games. The time slots were all bunched together and there was no way a game would be finished before the next game was scheduled to start. The only game I was able to watch from the beginning was the Red Wings and Yotes. The next game was joined in progress as was the next one… I was able to find the Ducks game on another channel but what gives with Verses? Was this a problem for anyone else? I find myself wondering if at some point during this series, am I going to be forced to miss part of or heaven forbid, all of, a Kings game due to poor scheduling by Verses? I’m so glad for at least tonight it doesn’t look like Verses will screw the Kings game up. I’m dreaming but I hope I can tune into FSN tonight, if DTV allows it.
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Real 7 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 7:53 am
@KFII, being able to watch Versus is GREAT!! they covered ALL the games last night, which you can’t get anywhere else….the schedule of games is made by the league; Versus just has to work with that, which they did very nicely…
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Bring him up!
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it WILL be interesting to see what they do with Schenn…..some considerations:
he has been playing on a team which didn’t show much defensive structure….
the KINGS are all about defensive structure, the center being the 3rd man back on D, etc.
KINGS have not been able to score, esp. since losing Kopi; any spark would be most welcome, and could be key right now…
throwing Schenn “into the fire” means taking a chance, so mgmnt. has a big decision to make….
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Nothing agaqainst Schenn, but he obviously didn’t deliver a championship at Saskatoon, so why should we think he will deliver now. He will be ready for next years Cup run aftger Kings training camp and a couple of months at Mancester. Have to work tonight to pay for my playoff tickets but still can’t wait to see how our team does tonight. GKG!
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number 6 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 8:05 am
@DesertKing,
That’s exactly what I said above, and someone had the temerity to say it was a dumb point (I’m still smarting from that a bit) so I’m glad to see I’m not the only one who sees things that way.
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DesertKing Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 8:53 am
@number 6,
Isnt’ America great! Don’t stress the disagreemnts since they are what make this forum work. I don’t always agree with you but I always respect your posts since they are pretty well thought out. Hopefully tomorrows debate will be that we don’t need to bring Schenn up since we whipped the Guppies in their home rink!
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number 6 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 9:44 am
@DesertKing,
Hey DesertKing.. nice one. Thank you. And that’s a very nice complement as well which I appreciate.
DesertKing Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 8:57 am
@DesertKing,
I hatte typppping on aaaa smmmaart phonnee!
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This is all really simple.
Facts:
-He has dominted people his age.
-NOBODY has ANY idea what he can do in the NHL.
-NOBODY has ANY idea what he can do in the AHL.
Why? He has played 8 NHL games and 3 or 4 AHL games I believe.
Someone brought up a great point that making the playoffs next year is no gaurantee, nor any year thereafter (which is a valid and great point). Me personally, I think they do, but that’s just me. So, while you’re there, you throw everything you possibly can at the fire. Okay…valid.
Others have brought up examples like a Logan Courture, who played in the playoffs last season for the Sharks, and look what it did for him. They also failed to mention the fact that all of the examples they mentioned, not a SINGLE one went straight from Juniors to the NHL. It’s a GIANT leap. It’s hard enough to go from Juniors to the AHL. Look at Justin Azevedo…he lead the OHL in scoring, by a WIDE margin, and yet in Manchester, he’s 3rd or 4th on the team in scoring, and around 50th in the league, in his 3rd season there (that is just one example). It’s NOT easy.
Next thing to consider is his ELC. You burn that first year, you screw up the contracts of just about everyone moving forward. It’s not just one kid you need to consider here. Dale Tallon put together the cup winning team in Chicago last season, and was FIRED for it because he couldn’t manage the salary cap. Chicago won the cup, and had to get rid of 11 key pieces of that team almost immediately. The end result? Having to wait until the last game of the season to see if they could squeek into the playoffs, only to have the right to play the Presidents Trophy winners in the first round. Cap management and contract management is a HUGE DEAL.
Play him, don’t play him. My opinion, he is NOT ready. Period. He needs to play in Manchester, and he needs to be there at least part of next season. I know everyone is impatient, well…grow some more.
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nykingfan Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 8:12 am
@mrbrett7,
excellent points.
I agree!
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fsd1 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 8:20 am
@mrbrett7, As usual, Great Post, actually, the only post this thread needed. Thnaks.
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fsd1 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 8:21 am
@fsd1, Thanks. duh
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number 6 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 9:47 am
@mrbrett7,
Wow man. I Am Impressed! You can’t state points any better than that. Now if you can tell me how you do that without tipping over into ‘emotion’ (my issue) that would be great. Just joking (sort of).
Nice job!!
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mrbrett7 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 10:33 am
@number 6, Have you read most of my other posts in the last few years? I rarely avoid emotion. I have no idea how I’m able to do so here.
I’m not even nervous for tonight. It is what it is. I came to terms with this teams destiny for this seasont he second I saw Kopitar lying in pain on the ice.
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wavesinair Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 10:01 am
@mrbrett7,
“NOBODY has ANY”
Which is why I can easily see your scenario happening. At the same time, I can see it going the other way too. The kid will compete next camp and that will be that.
No one thought Clifford would be here all season. Different players but the same concept. If he’s ready, he’s ready. I have no doubt whatsoever that DL won’t rush Schenn. He won’t do it.
If he does come here now, it will undoubtedly be done with a clear understanding that the expectation for him is low. He will not be expected to be a Kopi-replacement. That is clear.
re: chicago, I think you’re really overplaying that analogy. As I indicated before, Dean Lombardi will not do that. If he burns a year, he will do so with a very reasonable understanding that it won’t hurt his long term plan. Or even if it ends up being the very worst outcome, it will be at the expense of one or two players, not 11. It’s a moot point.
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number 6 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 10:06 am
@wavesinair,
Waves, for sure knowing DL he would never get himself in the same bind as Dale Tallon did. But I think his point was simply that if you don’t watch what you’re doing (i.e. ‘yeah, bring him up’) without careful consideration to possible consequences you can get yourself in trouble.
My issue and I think mrbrett7′s as well is that people just say here…. yeah DL do it. It would be something else if they said ‘yeah do it, and Here is why I think that in spite of burning off a year of contract it would still be well worth it’. Maybe a few have, but most haven’t.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 10:35 am
@number 6, That is exactly it. These 4-7 games could mean the difference between losing an important piece we can’t afford to lose 3 years from now.
Is Lombardi as shortsighted as Tallon…no, and I think we both agree there. Is the danger of this happening there though? I believe it is.
I feel that the trade for Penner was a panic move.
I say send Schenn to Manchester, not worth buring a year of his contract at this point. He could get a ton of ice time in Manchester. Ottawa has assigned a bunch of players to Binghamton who have 184 nhl games between them and playing against these guys could help Schenn too.
Good luck to both the Kings and Monarchs in tonights games.
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Does Schenn burn a year if he plays in Manchester also?
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Token Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 8:38 am
@FKA PakiFro, No.
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Send him the Manchester. Clearly the kid is a loser. sheesh, getting swept by Saskatoon!
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CountRockuLA Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 8:49 am
@bickleton wigglesworth III, He is such a loser, his own team swept him!
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I truly believe that the decision regarding Schenn had already been made, with contingency plans for any scenario that would have played out with the Blades run in the playoffs. DL, TM, and ownership are not likely to just sit around and wait to make such a decision. Successful managers think ahead and act accordingly. And, whether you like them or not, those guys are sucessful managers.
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If we advance further bring him up. Not nose though. That’s a whole season of talent and exp wasted.
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number 6 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 9:51 am
@Subby,
I don’t love how you expressed your point, but I Really like the content of what you said. Yes, when you think in those terms, it is exactly that. It’s a whole possible season of experience at an ELC wasted. For what? Six games. I know a lot of us would like to think the Kings will win in 7, but that is in reality still a bit less likely than them not winning the series. If someone finds I’m being negative by stating that I’m very sorry.
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I feel he should go to Manchester. It’s all been said here before. Bringing him up now could potentialy help the Kings but I think the potential bad things outweigh the good. From what I saw of Schenn with his brief time at the NHL level, he looked good, but not everyday NHL ready. He still has a lot to learn and the playoffs is not the time to learn it. The chemistry of the Kings could be offset by having Schenn on a line or two and missing passes, assignments, etc. Might not be good for everyone concerened. Also, wouldn’t want to see him get hurt at this level. As previously mentioned, the hitting by “men” in the playoffs is intense and Schenn could potentially be out as long as Kopi should he get a concussion or something else. Wouldn’t want to see that happen. If it were me, I would just stay patient with his developement at Manchester and let him have a go at the big boys next season in training camp. I see no reason to bring him up right now due to the knee-jerk reaction of the “we need him now” scenario. This is all just my opinion.
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Deke'r Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 8:55 am
@Goring 19, Agree completely…at this time of the season the possibility of a goal is not worth the risk of his future with the Kings. Jump from jrs to NHL is huge in every aspect of the game.
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Not a good time to experiment in the playoffs. TM likes his guys, is even considering playing Westgarth. DL is a cautious guy…I don’t think the chances are likely. I think Schenn will immediately fill a nice, yet unpredictable role, but the question is, is burning a year on the contract worth the roll of the dice?
I was in favor of keeping him up with the team all season, but I think getting Williams back shores up the forward situation enough to create some stability. Not enough scoring, but miracles do happen sometimes.
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give schenn some NHL playoff experience….even if it’s just one (or two) games.
we are here now and he’s available…there’s nothing like the playoffs.
DL will most likely not do this, but it sure would make tonight that much more exciting…can’t frickin’ wait…only ten more hours.
GKG
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Can anyone comment on his recent 2nd round playoff play? He scored one goal in 4 games. Was he even a factor, let alone dominant?
I think DL will want to see more from him before he makes the jump up.
I don’t think he can go head to head against any of the sharks top 3 centers, not at this point in his development. Him centering the 4th doesn’t make sense – I would rather bring in a center from Manchester for the 4th line, move Richardson to wing and let scheen play in ahl playoffs
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Bottom line is, with TM as coach, Schenn would only be grinding along the boards if he was called up. He wouldn’t be given any freedom to play an offensive type game, which is the only reason we need him. So, what’s the point?
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mrbrett7 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 9:28 am
@PP Anybody?, Yes, because that is all Kopitar does as well. That is all Williams does as well.
If you are a creative player, create. If you are not, you’re not going to. Simple.
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king-goph Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 10:47 am
@mrbrett7,
What PP is saying is he would be used on the 4th line not the 1st or 2nd. look how they used him in the first part of the season, he wasn’t really used as a top 6 player. so if he’s only going to be getting 4th line mins put him in manchester and let him get top line mins playing with double T and see if they can do some damage down there and gain that experience of being the go to guy instead.
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You have to bring him up. They did it with Johnson and it really paid off for him the following year. I know it wasn’t a playoff situation . I just think its a win win. DL has done a great job with the money side and resigning schenn should not be a problem so who cares if it burns a year . Hes not going anywhere anyway or he would have been included in a trade for a big scorer
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puck73 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 10:37 am
@bigmike, Disagree about JJ. Nobody argues that he has world class stickhandling and skating skills. JJ’s weakness is his hockey sense at game speed is still below average, even at age 24. His plus minus hasnt changed much at all since he first came here, it still stinks ! Everytime JJ takes a step forward, he takes two steps backwards. And dont look now but Voynov, Muzzin, Hickey, Deslauriers, Forbert, and even Campbell are all plus players and nipping at JJ’s heels. Fact is, JJ is not guaranteed anything next season…stay tuned.
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This is a very easy decision. Bring him up. Schenn is better than some of the Kings forwards (no names mentioned, #27) who can’t score or do much else these days.
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I say leave him be and keep the contract year intact. Let him go to Manchester and prove something there.
I hate to say it, but with or without him, I can’t realistically see this team getting to/winning in The Cup Finals.
I think if we get to the WCF, I will consider the season a major success.
There are 2 players driving the LA train, Kopitar and Quick, and we need both for a Cup………whether anyone here wants to admit it or not.
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number 6 Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 9:55 am
@Barrie G,
You said ‘There are 2 players driving the LA train, Kopitar and Quick, and we need both for a Cup’. And I would add that imo that’s at the very least. They still even with Kopi need more speed coupled with skill up front.
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Barrie G Reply:
April 14th, 2011 at 11:02 am
@number 6, Oh, I agree, there’s no doubt we need another scoring forward (even AFTER the Penner deal)and a tad more speed. Let me elaborate a bit on my original thought:
With the players we have now, there is no possibility of a Cup without a consistent Jonathan Quick and a healthy Kopitar.
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You have to look at the big picture. Do we burn a year? I say NO. Let’s be patient and build and not rush Schenn. It’s a big jump he would have to make. Let’s stick with the DL plan and build. Next year we should be a whole lot better with Schenn, a healthy Kopitar, Quick and others coming up. I say wait till next year..on to the CUP !!! GO KINGS.
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This is HIS time Now! Game 2 entry #10. Cant expect him to play 3 days in a row
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@puck73, You have valid points on JJ he does seem to be lost on the ice at times. I would agree with you totally had it not been for the injury to kopi. Maybe the emotions are getting the best of me. Im sure your a long time fan as i am. I just feel if we lose trying to do something is better then losing sitting on our hands. Maybe im all wrong and the playoffs will bring out the best in our team and we grind through the playoffs(thats my hopes)
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I’m all for bringing up Schenn for the playoffs. NOBODY said thar if Schenn is called up then he has to be thrown into the top 2 lines or have to play big minutes. It would be nice to rotate him in, especially for Zues who seems to play better with less minutes on the ice.
jut my opinion.
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In addition I think Westgarth is a waste of space in the playoffs..especially against san jose. speed kills and westy is as slow as they come
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