Williams Watch `11 continued this morning, as Justin Williams participated in another full practice and even volunteered himself for some contact in drills with Drew Doughty. After practice, Terry Murray reiterated that Williams’ status for Game 1 against San Jose is completely in Williams’ hands, and once again, Williams stopped short of saying he felt comfortable enough to play, but also didn’t indicate that he intended to miss the game, either. So, we’ll see. After practice, both Williams and Murray shared their thoughts on Williams’ possible return, starting with Williams talking about his upcoming meeting with Murray…
WILLIAMS: “I’ll just give him an update on myself and how I’ve been doing the last two days. Since contact came in, I’ve felt fine. I battled Dewey a little bit today and felt fine. So I’m basically going to talk to him about my status. Overall, it felt better than yesterday. I hope tomorrow feels better than today. That’s all I can say, really.”
Question: What did you tell Drew, in terms of bumping you out there?
WILLIAMS: “I just told him to play me hard, battle a little bit. Because a lot of my game is shaking off checks. If I’m not comfortable, and I can’t do that, my impact goes down drastically. … The trick is to not let them [opponents] hit you.”
Question: Are you likely to make the decision by tomorrow at the latest?
WILLIAMS: “Probably, yeah. Probably. Not just me, but Terry as well.”
Question: Does the harness restrict you at all?
WILLIAMS: “The brace limits me a little bit, yeah. I mean, it has to. It doesn’t put me in a vulnerable position. It’s not comfortable, but you have to do what you have to do out there.”
Question: Are you looking at having surgery in the summer?
WILLIAMS: “I don’t know. I’ll probably know more at the 6-8 week mark. You get another MRI, you do whatever you’ve got to do. But it’s probably an option that I’m looking hard at.”
And here are Murray’s thoughts about Williams’ potential return, starting with the response to a question about the “criteria” for Williams’ return in Game 1…
MURRAY: “The criteria, now, is for Justin Williams to come and tell me that he felt good in practice, comfortable with his competitive battles along the boards and that he can play. The doctors talked to him and met with him at the last game of the season, at the Staples Center, and he has basically been given the green light to play. So now it’s up to him.”
Question: Is it possible that it would be a game-day decision?
MURRAY: “I’d like to know the day before. I really don’t like to leave it, in any situation, where the player is coming in for the morning skate and (it’s). `I’ll let you know after that, how I’m feeling.’ I don’t think it’s fair to the team. I think you, as a player, know how you’re doing the day before. You can make a decision based on how practice was, how you’re feeling, how you competed, how comfortable you are. `I’m in, yes. I’m out, no.’ To me, that’s the right thing to do.”
Question: Have you penciled in scenarios, what the lineup might look like with Justin?
MURRAY: “I have. They’re there, waiting for me on the corner of the desk, and if I need to go to it, I will. I’ll just wait and see. In fact, I’ll go and ask and talk with him today, and see how he came through the practice.”
Question: At the start, would he fit into a top-six role right away?
MURRAY: “Absolutely. If he’s ready to go, he needs to fit right up on the top two lines, absolutely, and play with your top-six forwards. Again, to me, it’s a big change from where he was last year with his leg. This, he’s got the green light. It’s 100 percent. His strength is great. He did all the testing. The only restriction would be because of the shoulder harness that he’s wearing. Scratching the top of your head is basically what he couldn’t do. If he’s feeling confident, that’s the threshold. We’re now talking about Marco Sturm, when he was here. It was a matter of you getting over that threshold, you making that decision as a player that you feel comfortable that you can play your game. That’s what I’m looking for from Justin Williams.”
Question: Knowing the situation, and knowing him, do you expect him to play?
MURRAY: “Yeah. He’s put in so much work since the injury. He’s been gearing himself mentally, right from the time he was injured, to get ready to play in the playoffs. So I do expect that, and I just need to hear it.”
cool. but how about parse?
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Rich Hammond Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
http://lakingsinsider.com/2011/04/11/parse-williams-both-have-green-light/
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DannyMeux Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
@Rich Hammond,
thank you rich!
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jonsey Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
@Rich Hammond, Parse is given the green light by Murray? So who does he replace? I guess Moller and Westy are out if Williams and Parse are in. Can’t do worse than under .500 in our last stretch.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
@jonsey, He was given the green light by the doctors. Re-read what was written. Murray said that the players need to tell him when they are ready.
jonsey Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
@mrbrett7, My bad. I guess I thought that if Murray said Parse got to tell him when he was ready that that meant Murray was giving him the green light. Doctors say yes. Murray says maybe. Parse says maybe.
JB Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
@Rich Hammond, Has anyone talked about a timetable? Is he participating in contact drills?
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Rich Hammond Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
No, and no.
KingsFan1974 Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
@Rich Hammond, Lexus has a part of there covenant its says…..If you think you can’t you won’t ….if you think you can..you will….to the KINGS …..we can..we will….enough said!!!!!!!!!!
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KingsFan1974 Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
@KingsFan1974, Rich this has inspired me I was thinking it could get the boys inspired as well pass it on if you could… been a fan since I was 3 when my father took me to my first kings game..
lets see how he does against DB…that would be a true test.
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Meman Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
@tornado12, All I can see is Douglas Murray licking his chops right now. Lets hope he stays out of his area.
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John Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
@Meman,
He shouldn’t play if he’s going to stay out of Murray’s area!
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Williams,
You know we need you. If your not ready, say so. Don’t let your need to help, no matter what, be the deciding factor. If your ready, I want to be the 1rst to welcome you back. If your not, don’t do it. If you get hurt again, or don’t make an impact, fans are still going to hate you for not being our saviour, so the only thing that matters is your health. No matter what, we’ll survive, and be better for it.
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Dan H. Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
@Dominick,
Well said.
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jmsalsa Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
@Dan H.,
i’ll sign my name under that statement.
get better williams – don’t rush it.
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kevin Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
@Dominick, Being someone who played competive hockey and juniors for most my life. That and being one of the most competitive people I know I will go out on a limb and say a guy like that is going to play no matter what his health if he has the green light from the doctors he is in. Or at least thats how I was if I was able to skate I would play no matter what it felt like also its the playoffs you couldnt keep me out. The NHL is filled with alpha make types. There is no way we dont see him in.
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KingsFan1974 Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
@kevin, Well said Kevin, I know if Williams is good to go he’ll be there!!! Its the Playoffs… Go Kings Go!!!!!!! @ Williams please get better please come back if your good to go and woop that shark tail!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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mcsorleyfan Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 1:18 am
@kevin, Can we trade Penner for a Type A personality?
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The Kings should have brought in Dwight King as soon as Kopitar went down, knowing that they need help scoring and giving them one more possible option for the post-season (depending on King’s performance). We already know what Westgarth brings, and yes, he has gotten better…but he does nothing for their scoring problems except make them worse….
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mrbrett7 Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
@rontheking, We also already know what King brings…which is nothing.
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jonsey Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
@mrbrett7, DK is to hockey what pintos were to cars.
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rontheking Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
@jonsey,
Dude, he only got six starts. Who are you? Nostrodamus?
rontheking Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
@mrbrett7,
We know he has good hands and a scoring touch, and is a big body in front of the net who could conceivably put both those assets to use. I don’t think we’ve seen enough of him to know all there is to know about him….
But if not him, maybe somebody else. The point is to have more options than just Westgarth and Harrold–because we do know all there is to know about THEM when it comes to scoring….
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rontheking Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
@rontheking,
What I am saying is that knowing what we all know about the King’s lack of depth right now, which we knew about ten games ago…and considering that no so-called expert expects the Kings to win more than one game in the SJ series….
Perhaps management could have rolled the dice and at least tried to bring someone up for scoring help….
PP Anybody? Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
@rontheking, Dwight King is like a bad version of Penner. If anyone gets the call, it would be Holloway at this point.
mrbrett7 Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
@rontheking, The guy could barely skate, was consistently out of position, couldn’t hit water if he fell out of boat…yet sure, call him up.
Just because a guy can score in an inferior league does not mean he can score in the NHL…
mrbrett7 Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
@rontheking, There is nobody else. Loktionov is hurt. Cliche is hurt. Holloway at the NHL level is a 4th liner at best (and I doubt even that much). Azevedo isn’t an NHL player at this point. There is nobody to call up.
Dwight King may be a big body, but seriously? You’re grasping at straws in my opinion, when there is nothing to really be grasping at.
As I just put in a post below, yes, this organization lacks severly in the scoring department. Schenn is coming. Taffoli is probably at least a year away, maybe two. It takes time to develop these kids. Nobody knows if Vey will develop into anything. Just because you put up gawdy numbers in Juniors doesn’t mean you will turn into an NHL scorer. Ian Lapparierre put up over 100 points when he was in Juniors. Alexandre Daigle was supposed to be the next Gretzky…for every miss ther is a hit and for every hit there is a miss.
Lombardi has said it himself that this team is already a year ahead of schedule. Goaltending first (Quick who wasn’t even in the plans, Bernier, Jones, Zatkoff, Berube), Defense (which is coming along so nicely there isn’t room for them all), and then finally the forwards. They only really started drafting guys who could possibly score last year.
It takes time.
5hole Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
@rontheking, This is NOT the time to bring up more rookies, the Kings are young enough! The Kopitar and Williams injuries were ill-timed, but if Willie gets back for a handful of games then that’s a bonus. At least if Parse can get back out there, he adds speed and NHL experience; fresh legs and being hungry after missing most of the season might just be a perfect addition against the Sharks!
Whatever happens, the Kings gutted out the last couple of weeks when they could’ve completely folded their tents, so let’s have some fun in the 1st round and see if they can surprise all of the “experts”.
friarking Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
@mrbrett7, It was alot to ask of a kid out of the Ontario Reign to take a topline role. He needs to spend some time in Manchester.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
@friarking, Ya think????????
Token Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
@rontheking, DK will be a good player in a couple years if he puts in the effort. Reminds me of where Michael Rupp was a few years back. He needs to cook a bit in Manchester before ge is ready for a depth role.
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rontheking Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
@rontheking,
Maybe King isn’t the best choice…probably someone with some speed would be better (although King skates pretty well for his size IMHO)…but grasping for straws is better than doing nothing–locti was a pleasant surprise, maybe brandon kozun would be too….
The problem is, we’ll never know what the possibilities might have brung, because no one was given a chance. As I said, SOMEBODY or SOMEBODIES should have been brought up ten games ago when everyone could see the writing on the wall and it might have made a difference.
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Ravens Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
@rontheking, I like King a lot he’s only 21 and he’s getting better every year,,I think he will prove a lot of people here wrong, but he’s not ready,,I think Kitsyn and Schenn are the best prospects we have but I don’t think I’d play with their heads by putting that much pressure on them, but I wouldn’t mind having either one on the bench just incase.
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KingsFan1974 Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
@rontheking, Look king might be good in a few years but with lotci hurt… he would have been the choice but not going to happen.. Be realistic we have what we have and these guys can do it they just have to play with heart and allot of it..being a fan since I was 3 I have seen allot of games and played a few mind you not anywhere close to the NHL this team has the grit and the know how to get the job done….with Quicky and Berny we are solid they just have to stick to the system….dreams are simply that they are dreams with hard work and sticking to the program good things are going to happen for this team!!!!!!! just let them play and have fun!!!!!!!!!
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Great to hear about Williams. I hope he can come in and be half as good as he’s been. Half as good would give him a higher rank than Moller. Awful. We need some goals, and some veterans.
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KingsFan1974 Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
@jonsey, Agreed…But get off of Moller he is a kid I hope one day he shuts up all of this nonsense its not like you playing in the NHL he is and he has earned the right to be here he is still raw he will come into his own give the Kid a break!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PhillyKing Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 8:20 am
@KingsFan1974, Moller might one day gain the skills (and the system) to prosper in the NHL, but right now, he just doesn’t fit into the Kings style of hockey. I love his desire and willingness to shoot the puck, but he is just too small and doesn’t have the puck handling skills/confidence to be amongst the other good/great smaller players. IE St Louis and Briere.
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I was thinking, are we going to see every single player that hits Willy end up fighting? I don’t mind tuff play, but would hate to see a guy play a clean game and get gooned for it. Sometimes you just have to say “That’s hockey” and take a number.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
@Dominick, In the playoffs, I doubt it. If he is going to play he knows he is going to have a giant target on him. The Sharks would be crazy to not pound him every chance they get.
One thing, if Ben Eager or Nichols step on the ice, get Williams off pronto. Those two are missin a few pieces in the head and will do something stupid.
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jonsey Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
@Dominick, I’m fine with our guys playin rough.
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Shakes Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
@Dominick,
as an extension to that thought I was thinking that the person who would mostly fight would be Clifford, which is problematic for two reasons:
1) i don’t like seeing him get hurt, which he has during his last 2 fights. (please note, I’m not questioning his toughness)
2) hopefully he’s learned in the past 10 games that his value to the team is more than just being a heavy hitter, the kids gots skills. for a team that is a little bit thin right now we need Clifford to be skating, healthy, out of the boz, and cycling down low. we don’t need him to fight…. i mean generally speaking there are less fights in the playoffs but for a youngster playing his first Stanley Cup playoffs, he may not show such discretion
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KingsFan1974 Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
@Shakes, I agree Shakes totally this kid is something tough and has a nack for the net and grinding it out!!!!!!Hmmm next Hockey Sweater Cliffy!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh yea for the newbies that what they were called before Jerseys LOL!!!!!!!
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Justin would bring huge rejuvenation to this team, not only with points but also in spirit. I worry that he will push it too far for the sake of the team and risk further injury. I imagine he would be have a certain level of guilt in the team went down in flames in the playoffs without him. I hope he.makes the right decision for the future of his.career. We will persevere either way. That’s tear it up boys!
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KingsFan1974 Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 10:39 pm
@FemaleFan #1, This is true but I am sure willy has all of that in mind as well as TM no worries if he skates its for the whole deal!!!!!Go Kings Go!!!!!!mmmmmmm shark meat !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Williams has a new contract with us. He’s not going to ruin himself over a shoulder injury. He’ll play hurt, because that’s what pros do, and he’ll get hurt worse or escape and have surgery any way in the summer.
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He must play at home,no in S.J.
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he is a brave man for sure, you know the Sharks are going to hit him and often, call it what you want but strategy says exploit a weekness, i just hope he can stay away from getting killed….
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Scot Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
@pr0cess,
This is hockey, if you’re afraid of getting hit and getting hurt, you don’t belong. And one AWESOME thing I’ve learned about Williams is: Even with all the major injuries he has sustained over the last 5 years, he is NOT afraid of getting hurt or getting hit. He just wants to make sure he’s not doing anything stupid by playing at this point after injury. If he feels OK, he will play, and he will play unafraid of getting hit, which is why I think we will see him in the lineup come Thursday night.
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pr0cess Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
@Scot, o no i have no doubt any of them are fearless, but there is no way he is 100%, and fearless or not that is in the back of his mind, and you can tell its in his own words,”The trick is to not let them [opponents] hit you.” I have faith he will make it happen
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This is the way I look at it. Last year was exciting and we were all pretty pleased at the results. This year the expectations were much higher and the results were about the same.
If we were healthy we’d be team no one would want to face. A team with the chance to beat anyone and a team guaranteed to grind the other guys down in a playoff serious at the very least.
But with the injury to Kopi it feels like that has been stolen and now the playoffs become about who can step up and establish themselves as the clear second star behind Kopi.
Even a 6 or 7 game first series defeat can mean a lot towards next year’s success. I think the team feels cheated and they will want to make up for lost time. The defense has been proven to be Cup worthy, it’s supposed to be easier to add scoring so hope for the bext during the playoffs, but keep the pressure on the franchise to improve the roster if they are eliminated.
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tornado12 Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
@Weasel, strong post!
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Anyone notice that Marc Crawford was fired in Dallas? Talk about paying a price for that game in Minnesota. Wow.
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tornado12 Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
@number 6, they had 95 pointsd and any other year would have been in the playoffs. I dont think expectations were that high going in and they did have injuries! eat or be eaten i guess! I wonder if he would have been fired if they made it!
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number 6 Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
@tornado12,
My hunch… i don’t think he would’ve been. I mean, 97 points (in that case, and fired)?
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BobKnob Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 8:59 pm
@number 6,
He was pretty awful in L.A. I doubt it had as much to do with one game, but just his overall suck.
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PhillyKing Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 8:31 am
@number 6, Regardless of his history in LA, it’s a tough call to make. In one hand, you are playing in undoubtedly the most difficult division in the NHL, and maybe in all of sports and to finish one game outside of the playoffs is something to say. I feel if they were in any other division they would be a shew in this year. Especially in that pathetic excuse called the Northwest Division. They were predicted to be at the bottom of the division and way outside the playoffs anyways…
The other hand says, look, you have superstars like Richards, Erickson, Lehtonen (sp) (and now Gologoski) and future stars (and Kings killer) Jamie Benn, there is no reason you shouldn’t make the playoffs. He did have the team #1 in the Division for a bit, but he also watched them collapse too.
In closing, I think 2 years is never enough time to determine if the coach is doing a decent job or not. (Unless of course your name is Al Davis…)
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This reminds me of those drawn out decisions to run for president. It’s obvious to everyone what will happen but the “candidate” is waiting for the right time to announce his decision.
Of course he’s going to play.
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From Ken Campbell’s article in The Hockey News on line
‘• There was no Sidney Crosby or Alex Ovechkin in the group, but the crop of rookies was as strong collectively as it has been in years. It produced three 30-goal scorers up front, a 30-game winner in goal and five defensemen with at least 30 points.’
It’s particularly now frustrating to read that (for me at least). I’m sorry to complain. It’s great that we have lots of strong defense prospects (I know some aren’t probably thrilled that I’d write something like this), but at this time of year I do find it troubling that it’s years now that we haven’t had a rookie score even twenty goals, nor a 2nd or 3rd year man score twenty goals.
I personally don’t find that an unreasonable thing to ask of an administration. And I’m not convinced either that it’ll happen next year either.
I think if the Kings want to be pose a real danger to other teams in the playoffs, that’s gonna have to change sooner or later.
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number 6 Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
@number 6,
Yikes, just reread my post. Woke up from a nap so it’s terribly sloppy, but I think I made my point.
When I see other teams bring in young goal scorers I wonder, wow, where did they get these guys?
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mrbrett7 Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
@number 6, Skinner was a top 6 pick. Couture was drafted the same year as Doughty (that’s 3 years ago). Those are just the two that popped in my head and Skinner isn’t in the playoffs.
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YoBro Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
@mrbrett7, AND,, These are also guys that aren’t playing 8-10 mins a game on the 4th line. That is where TM believes ALL youngsters belong.(??) Arrgh.
Go Kings
mrbrett7 Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
@number 6, No argument from me. Although, and I know I sound like I drank a gallong of the fruit punch here…this is exactly what Lombardi said. Please remember, according to him, they are AHEAD of schedule.
Goaltending first. Defense 2nd. Offense last. Take time to build a franchise.
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number 6 Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
@mrbrett7,
Here’s the thing. The plan Is clear. Also, DL knows far more about hockey and the dynamics of building than I will ever know. That being said I see a few things that concern me…. While they had numerous draft picks they were largely used on defensemen, and then on forwards in late rounds (5th, 6th round etc.). Cliffy was a 2nd.
Probably they won’t be drafting low for quite some time now. How exactly do you get skill up front drafting in the 20s? Possible, but needs exceptional drafting and time for development. Meanwhile we drafted Teubert (turned into Penner), Voynov (who may never make the team), Hickey, and I believe one other defensemen in the first three rounds of several drafts. I have No problem with some of that…. but to me it’s to the exclusion of forwards.
I think the ‘middle way’ is always the healthiest in life. I really think that the two injuries have exposed just how limited the Kings are up front. PLUS, if in a year or two there is a UFA who is a talented goal scorer, what are the chances he’ll sign here? I know thats dealing with the future so probably not fair. But it’s a lot easier to overpay a defensive dman (and I am thrilled to have Willie and Scuds) then it is to lure a real skilled forward.
Toffoli or Vey may turn into something special (or, they may not). But we’re not even gonna have a clue to that for another two to three years.
SO, I suppose my question is, how do the Kings address what is a very glaring need?
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Bkrs-Bud Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 11:58 pm
@number 6, The draft,free agency,trades.
5hole Reply:
April 13th, 2011 at 10:13 am
@number 6, I think trade is the only viable option. After Richards, the UFA’s are not looking that impressive and I don’t think he’ll end up here. Unfortunately, to get value in a trade you need to give up value. There was a rumor floating around that Bernier could be moved to Colorado or New Jersey; would hate to lose him. but if it brings back Parise or Duschesne I think it would make sense. Another possiblity would be to dangle Simmonds and a prospect – I love Simmer but the Kings NEED to bring in an extra 40 goals somehow! Don’t see Doughty or JJ or Kopi or Brown going anywhere, and there’s probably not a lot of value for Smyth or Penner out there, and I think they need to keep Stoll for sure. The team has relied on the “kids” for a while now but the time is definitely here for an established scorer to be brought in and let the youngsters work on providing depth instead of relying so heavily on them to perform in key roles.
Wow, sounds like TM is actually pressuring Williams, like basically “he’s been given the green light by the doctors, so if he doesn’t play, he’s a pansie. He’s been given the green light. Everything’s fine except he can’t scratch his head, but we didn’t bring him here to scratch his head. Everything else he can do. It’s not like last year. I’ve talked to the doctors too, and he has the green light, he’s fine. I expect him to play. He’s a pansie if he doesn’t. I just need to hear it from him. Hear that, Justin? You better fucking play. In fact, you’re a pansie if you even wait until the last day to tell me. That’s not fair to the team. You’re fine, it’s just a little bit of pain, you’re a fucking pansie, now suck it up already, tell me you’re ready to play, now, pansie. I expect you to play.”
Seems kind of a weird situation, where the coach seems more confident about the players return than the player. Maybe last year’s experience is deterring Williams?
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nykingfan Reply:
April 12th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
@Dillon,
You’re wasting your time trying to gauge the tone of the conversation based on the written word. Not once did JW say he couldn’t play, so why are you reading into it any further?
And at what point did TM say Williams needs to play no matter what? That’s how you perceived the conversation went. Perception’s not always reality.
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Last year he had a leg injury. No speed no energy. Itshould not be a factor in this time.
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Dude’s a hockey player. If the Doc tells you, it’s ok to play, you can bet he’ll be out there for game 1. If not now,(playoffs)when?
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Lexus has a part of there covenant its says…..If you think you can’t you won’t ….if you think you can..you will….to the KINGS …..we can..we will….enough said!!!!!!!!!! Rich please pass this one on to the Boys …..
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