Jonathan Quick spent the second half of last night’s game on the bench, after he allowed four goals on 16 shots, but Terry Murray had no hesitation today in saying that Quick will start tomorrow night’s big game against Phoenix. Quick has not fared particularly well against Phoenix this season, as he has allowed three or more goals in three of his four games against the Coyotes.
MURRAY: “Quick is our No. 1 goaltender. He’s the guy that we’re riding. When we get to the last two games here, we’ll see how it is. My plan was, going back quite a while, was to get Bernier into one of those two games. So we’ll see if I follow through with it.”
Murray didn’t elaborate, but it’s probably safe to assume that if the final game of the season, the second of back-to-back games against Anaheim, holds major significance for the Kings — such as, if they’re still trying to secure a playoff spot or if they have a chance to get to fourth place — Quick might start over Bernier.
Garauntee u that in a fee years when Quicks contract comes up they trade him for that LW they need to complete their Cup team and Bernier is the uncontested starter
Next season I’ll like to see a 50-50 split between games between the 2 Jonathans
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Paul G Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
@Paul G, few
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Bill M. Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
@Paul G, Guarantee that both goalies will win cups someday. Only question is – which one does it in a kings jersey?
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Paul G Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
@Bill M., As much as I love Quick, he let’s in too many softies….Game 7 OT Bernier gets a W and Quick let’s in a softie? Lol
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
@Paul G, to me what problem we have is the Offense is more important then Bernier or Quick
Cause we all know the Defense is there and the Gaolies is there but the Offense is not
So cant say trade one of them then u have to go backwards again and that hold the Kings form getting a Cup
bfarm Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
@Paul G,
I could totally see that happen with the luck of the kings, to Quick. Ive imagined the kings going to game 7 in the finals and being tied and then getting scored on with 0.1 seconds left in the 3rd. I can see Zues with his head down kneeling in front of the net and quick sprawled out prone in the crease.
I’d cry haha.. wouldnt be the first time the kings have brought a tear to my eye.
PP Anybody? Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
@Bill M., I bet cash money that Bernier will be the one packing someday, and that Jones will take his place backing up Quick. Bernier, as much as everyone on here likes, is too small, has poor rebound control, and plays too deep in his net for being a small goalie. He also had attitude issues throughout his bringing up through the system. As he’s matured, sure he has gotten better, but Jones has better size. I just think as Quick matures, and gains more experience, and we become a better offensive club, he will learn to keep his head into games better, and will be our go to guy for years to come.
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KingFanMGM Reply:
April 6th, 2011 at 10:03 am
@PP Anybody?,
Jon Quick: 6’1″ – 212 lbs (aka baby fat)
Jon Bernier: 5’11″ – 186 lbs (in better condition)
2″ difference does not make Bernier a small goaltender. What you are mostly seeing is Quick’s over-sized Vaughn goalie pads compared to Bernier’s sleeker form-fitting RBK pads.
PP Anybody? Reply:
April 6th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
@PP Anybody?, If you go through the sizes of all the top 10 goaltenders in the league in any category, only one goalie is less than 6ft, and that is Tim Thomas. Luongo- 6-3, Price- 6-3, Kiprusoff- 6-1, Howard- 6-0, Bryzgalov- 6-3, Lundqvist- 6-1, Fleury- 6-2, Rinne- 6-5, Brodeur- 6-2, Hiller- 6-2, and on and on. Statistics don’t lie. Size in goal is an advantage, and almost every team in the league now has a sizable goalie. Just a plain fact. Also, I don’t know where you get “baby fat” with Quick. He tested as one of the highest fitness levels coming into camp, and everybody raved about his conditioning this season. so wrong again on that. Now if you thought Doughty was the one playing with Quicker’s pads and mask the other night, that would make more sense.
KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
@Paul G, we only sort few palyers thats in two or three years from now when both of them contract is over….is who they going to keep and who they going to get rid of anything could happen
Next season will be a great chance for Bernier to take that Number one spot but am telling u this if Bernier never takes it from Quick then am hate to say this most likely he going to get trade or let go
But am pretty sure he going to take the number one spot if he stay playing great cant go crappy in the beginning of the season then play good in mid season and expect to take the number one spot
We have two great goalies cant throw the other one under a bus since u have high hopes with Bernier everyone knows Quick not meant for a backup goalie too good to be a backup goalie..They both are too good to be backup goalies
So in Kings Fans we have to hate one of them leaving the Kings..Remember Quick did great for us in the past two years with us in 2009 almost made the playoffs but we didnt was short in 2010 our first year in the playoff and we did pretty good remember Quick was a rookie in the playoffs
to me both Good goalies one like to use a the splits alot and really good at a shootout the other looks ahead of plays without getting out of the plays to make the save
that what i see both good goalies that Kings fan just want to throw one under a bus..to me i be glad to have them both if one leave that going to suck
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Paul G Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
@KingsFanFTW, Martin Jones future backup?
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
@Paul G, in time he will be i say Bernier AS number one Jonas back up
But anything could happen
BobKnob Reply:
April 6th, 2011 at 1:19 am
@Paul G,
Which Jonas brother will be our backup?
Larrylb Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
@Paul G, I wish everyone would quit blaming Quicker for games like this. The defense was terrible, and that was not the word I wanted to use. This has happened before when the Kings were not just with it. Some of the players even complained about being booed and if this game was at Staples they would have been booed again. I guess some of the players expect us to clap for them even when they play lousy. I guess they are still very young and very immature. I am point to DD right now. Even if the Kings make the playoffs I don’t believe they will go far with that attitude and with the lack of fire they have displayed in the Shark game. Don’t get me wrong, I am a Kings fan from the get go but it is time that they start taking responsibility for their actions or should I say lack thereof.
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
@Larrylb, for me just get to round 2 thats all i want am a Kings fan have alot of Faith in this team but i dont believe we can get a Stanley Cup this year could be next the only reason is we lost two of our guys we have too many slow players next season we get rid of some and replace of fast players then we are set and make a good threat for a good run of the playoffs
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KingsFan88 Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 6:17 pm
@KingsFanFTW,
Honestly, I don’t think the Kings could win The Cup this year even with Kopitar and Williams; they’re a young team that is maturing with every loss…Next year, I absolutly consider them a Cup Contender.
Riverside King 28 Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
@Paul G,
I agree, I’ve never been a fan of Quick I think the defense helps him out a lot more than they get credit for, just the happy feet and atrocious soft goals, from center ice and the red line… I would love to see him traded for a top flight forward. I would be happy with Bernier and Jones, Bernier’s only problem was rebounds that it looks to be remedied. I was personally waiting for the playoffs to give final judgement on quick, but I feel a late disappointment and excuses coming just like last year.
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Common Sense Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
@Riverside King 28,
Yeah, JQ stinks, but lets trade him for Jonathan Towes or Steven Stamkos or some other top-flight forward. Gee, why didn’t Dean think of that? Maybe one of the Sedins is available. Must be nice to dump on one player, then think some other GM is going to give you a 40-goal scorer even up.
How about you wait until the playoffs and then see what happens, this crazy year anybody, even the Kings, could be in the Finals. With Jonathan Quick.
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PP Anybody? Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
@Paul G, A. Wrong, and B. Why is this even an issue? I have never understood the whole Quick vs. Bernier fanboy banter on this board. For once in a reeeeaally long time, we have a number one goalie who not only doesn’t suck, but is top 5 in the league in most categories all year. He is hands down the MVP of this season, and yet when the team takes a night off and Quicker gives up a couple goals, it’s “Oh Bernier is the greatest! He was really good in Manchester!” Umm, just a reminder, Labarbera had the same kind of success down in Manchester, yet failed miserably with the Kings as little as 3 seasons ago. Bernier is a capable back up, and I hope he continues to get better. I personally like the comfort of having two goalies that I don’t have to worry about anymore as being the reason why this team can’t win.
For now, it’s about OFFENSE. This team can’t score. Hasn’t been able to hang with the contenders all year in that dept. If we could score 3 or 4 goals a night, I think JQ or JB would both have even better numbers. As for now, they have to hang on every shot, hoping to keep this team in a game. It’s actually not very fair to ask that much from either of these guys, yet night in and night out, they do just that. GIVE US A CHANCE TO WIN. So yes, if you want to talk about who’s going to lead us to a cup, find us someone who can hit the net with a shot, and get open in the slot for a change.
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Go Kings Go Reply:
April 6th, 2011 at 7:01 am
Quick can be brilliant and once and a while he has a game like this. Yes, the defense was horrible, but Quick’s kryptonite is a snap (wrist) shot from 30-40 feet in front of the net. Bernier has had his issue with shoot-outs, but in the playoffs, that problem goes away. The other major flaw in the last game was that our forwards didn’t pick up the defensemen coming accross the blue line and getting those 40 foot snap shots.
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there is no redemtion to what happened last night, period!
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Bill M. Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
@BrokeKingsFan, Not even a scorned Quick allowing a 1.0 GAA through the playoffs on his way to the finals?
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BrokeKingsFan Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
@Bill M., Thats funny dude! thanks for the laugh
I really wasnt even talking about Quick. And something tells me that even if Quick did have a 1.0 GAA it wont be good enough with our offensivly challenged lineup.
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
@BrokeKingsFan, true we dotn have a shot this year we all know its impossible but we have to have faith come on where the kings faith
Well, let’s hope he bounces back against a team he doesn’t play well against. Yeah, makes sense. I don’t understand why he even says he’s “thinking” about playing Bernier, when he just got through saying Quick is the guy we’re riding.
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Is the coach aware Quick has been brutal against Phoenix his whole career? Just look at the numbers for this season.
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
@Chris P. Bacon, he won two and lost three not bad
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
@KingsFanFTW, oops forgot he didnt play one of the Coyotes game my bad
it would be 1-3 that bad i forgot Bernier played the other one
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fsd1 Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
@Chris P. Bacon, if we play phoenix in the first round would you not start quick?
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Passemoilapuck Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
@fsd1, if Quick has a bad game against Phoenix tomorrow and we play them in the 1st round… we’d still start with Quick, but Murray would probably have Bernier start Game 2 if Game 1 is sub-par.
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BobKnob Reply:
April 6th, 2011 at 1:27 am
@Chris P. Bacon,
I really think using stats like this is pretty suspect reasoning when variance accounts for so much in games (and remember the sample size is so small as well), and many goals are due to defensive breakdowns that really have nothing to do with the quality of goaltending. Unless you can point to something specifically the Yotes do against Quick that exploits a weakness of his, I think you’re just cherry-picking data or being superstitious.
But it seems to me that Quick hasn’t been as sharp lately, maybe he’s a bit fatigued, I don’t know. I would have probably put Bernier in for 2 of the last 3. You aren’t giving up much, if anything, since they are both very good goaltenders and Bernier is not as tired.
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Lets just hope Quick can have his Defense helping him this game Yotes are trying to lock up a spot as much as the Kings are we have to beat the yotes and beat the Ducks just for the hell of it
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lets face it and stop kidding ourselves if we want to go anywhere some of these has beens like stoll and symth and maybe even moller need to start scoring they should already be considered for trades as their play dictates.
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Rich, a little off-topic, but can you ask Terry Murray what his thought process is about using timeouts to break an opponent’s momentum? Seems like that could have been helpful on Monday night after the the third goal from San Jose.
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KingMe20 Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
@KingMe20,
Oh, and Go Columbus!
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deadcatbounce Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
@KingMe20, Columbus? What about Dallas or Calgary? One of them (if not both) has to pass Anaheim!
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KingMe20 Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
@deadcatbounce,
Just because they lose to Columbus doesn’t mean they won’t catch Anaheim!
Cortex949 Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
@KingMe20, I was thinking something similar but I would like to see a timeout alled after OUR next goal. Just to say to the team “now pay attention!! Don’t let anything in for a few min”. Just focus the guys. Thus quick goal after ours in almost automatic lol
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Interesting choice by TM. The Kings are 2-3 against PHX this season. Quick is 1-3; Bernier is 1-0. On 12/29/10, Quick gave up 6 goals in 30 minutes of play on 18 shots; Bernier gave up 0 goals in a 6-3 loss at Staples.
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
@Capt Jam, yea i know but u got to look in the future not the past yea he going to be upset tomorrow game and play as hard to make it a close game cause of a big defeat against the Sharks
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Capt Jam Reply:
April 6th, 2011 at 10:09 am
@KingsFanFTW,
I like your optimism, FTW, and I hope you’re right.
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PP Anybody? Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 10:58 pm
@Capt Jam, What a great sample size you have to work with there on Bernier. A grand total of ONE game. Hey, that means he’s never lost in his whole lifetime against them. Well with a lifetime record like that, we definitely can’t lose then with those numbers.
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Capt Jam Reply:
April 6th, 2011 at 10:06 am
@PP Anybody?,
It’s always ironic to me when the Quick marks, notorious for citing and resting on his laurels (all 2, above average seasons of them), poo-poo those laurels when they don’t work in their favor, as just happens to be the case in this particular match-up.
Bernier’s sample size is actually 1.5 games, as he went in and cleaned up Quick’s mess on 12/29 and shut out PHX for half a game.
Let’s just hope Bernier doesn’t have to bring out the mop again tonight and Quick is able to focus on the job at hand. We need the win more than you realize.
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Who would u root for if Vancouver plays Anaheim in round one?
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Capt Jam Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
@Cortex949,
Wouldn’t root one way or the other, but would bet on VAN to win that series.
Anyone but ANA.
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BrokeKingsFan Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
@Cortex949, neither!
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Dan H. Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
@Cortex949,
Vancouver. I never root for the Ducks.
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DaveinSD Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
@Dan H., ditto
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Laura Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
@Cortex949, Anaheim…I don’t want to have to play VAN – NO WAY!
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Howe 9 Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
@Cortex949,
Anaheim. We can beat them.
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
@Cortex949, Canucks
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Cortex949 Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
@Cortex949, I’m afraid of Vancouver. I’d like ducks to beat them so we can eliminate the ducks. That would be easier and so much fun to send the ducks home lol. Well now that I think about it it would be nice to send Vancouver home too after last year. Not an easy task tho. They seem to have our # recently.
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I’m thinking TM wants to start Quickie because he wants to see how good he can do seeing as more than likely we’ll be playing them “should” we make the playoffs. Last night was a good example about how scary life is going to be w/o Kopi and Willi! I really hope Willi comes back sooner than expected. Penner is frustrating the heck out of me! He did well vs Dallas but then I never even noticed him last night! Would he rather be on a team who has a chance at the playoffs, or be in Edmonton who have been elminated from the playoffs?! COME ON NOW! PICK IT UP ALREADY! GO KINGS GO!
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
@Laura, yea i know he going to bring the Kings down big time
JW might return so we just got to keep playing hard into we get him back in the lineup
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Dan H. Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
@Laura,
Two players can’t bring it down to what happened last night. That was a 21 man failing. They need to settle down and do their job and not try to do too much.
I think that is was did them in last night more than anything.
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rontheking Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
@Laura,
I’m with you on Penner–with his big body and good hands he should be going to the net every time he touches the puck, or as soon as he passes it.
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Capt Jam Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
@Laura,
Last night had nothing to do with Kopi and JW being out of the lineup. The 1997-98 Red Wings couldn’t have had a better result with such a complete lapse of defensive coverage.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
@Capt Jam, I would argue Kopi’s missing defense had a lot to do with it. Shutting down the top line was a defense-first responsibility of Kopitar’s.
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capt jam Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?,
What happened last night was way more than their first line getting the best of ours. Reminded me of the game last Dec when the Kings gave up 6 to PHX at Staples.
What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
@capt jam, Yeah, that’s what happens when you get spread too thin. Everybody tries to do too much.
PENNER better start going soon… we need his goals, to have any chance in the Playoffs.
Smyth doing better and Simms
But no Goals from Penner and we are toast!
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Capt Jam Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
@Sammuch,
Why just Penner? What about Stoll? He’s the guy I really thought would step up when this offensive void was created.
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Sammuch Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
@Capt Jam, Yes Stoll too! But Penner is a proven goal scorer and thats why the Kings got him to score goals into the playoffs. Kings gave up 1st pick and a good D for him!
Stoll is a 3rd line center and never ever was a good goal scorer, Schenn 2nd line center next year thats for sure I hope. Maybe rookie of the year?
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Well – I know TM didn’t expect JQ to have such a bad game up in San “Hosay”. So, he needs to make sure JQ has some confidence before the Playoffs start. He really has no choice BUT to start him in Phoenix – even if he hasn’t had a good track record against the Yotes.
John has always had a good game following a bad game – some would say he’s Due for a good one against PHX too. And if he does bring his A game – it will do wonders for the Kings and their confidence.
1. Get a Win against the probably Playoff Opponent.
1a. Clinch the Playoffs.
1b. Show his teammates that the SJ game was a Fluke.
But let’s be honest – that SJ game failure was not all John’s fault.
The overall team laid a big Steamer in the Shark Tank.
Let’s hope they left it there, and never return to it.
G K G
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Doughty's Disciple Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
@Duffy, I totally agree with you.
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jess Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
@Duffy,
IMHO TM started the choice to go with quick on all the big games too early. He did this because TM is not a chess player. A chess player would have had his number 1 in mind the whole time but alternated the two to create competition leading all the way up to the series. Now TM is doing this out of blind loyalty like he did last year and we all know that was a huge mistake, or he is doing it from a position of ego which is another mistake. Now if for some horrible reason we lose to PHX then he has painted himself into a corner and team morale is further damaged.
Goaltending changes are usually not about which goaltender is at fault, but rather a psychological tact to see who the team plays better for and which goaltender responds better to the pressures of playoff hockey.
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So we go to the playoffs out in first round maybe
next year better team get new and better players
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Cortex949 Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
@hkylvr, Ok…
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I must say that i have not been disappointed with Kevin Westgarth! the guy actually can do something when given more than 3 minutes of ice time. Good job Westy! I still think we would be better served with Harrold in there but what can we do right?
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twnclick Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
@BrokeKingsFan, He was better than penner
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BobKnob Reply:
April 6th, 2011 at 1:42 am
@BrokeKingsFan,
His speed, skating and forechecking are good. I don’t really see him making that many big hits, but it’s probably because most players are better than him. He’s trying, they’re just getting out of his way. He needs to work on the offensive part of his game in the offseason. He doesn’t know what to do with the puck when he gets it on the forecheck, and by the time he figures it out, it’s too late. I hope he can improve on that aspect of his game. If he does, he will prove all of his naysayers wrong, and we will have a legit enforcer who can contribute to the team in a 4th line role. I think that’s a pretty valuable role that he can fill, and we won’t have to have a new enforcer every year who can’t play in our line up like we have had in the past.
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I do not blame Quick for last night,but I would start Bernier against Phoenix based on past performance.
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Here we go again. Same call, same time, same bat channel by TM exactly one year ago. It’s the: “go with JQ no matter what” syndrome…
I say try something new, like start bernier in net and quit the random line combo shuffling already.
Ok, done with the rant..
–GKG–
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Quick is a VERY solid top 10 NHL goalie (maybe top 5), and a few soft games doesn’t change that. Yes he lets some softies by and has a bad game now and then…who doesn’t. He just as often makes amazing saves and comes through big for us. Goalkeeping has been a main reason for our success this year, and he’s the guy who’s been in there. Arguably our MVP. His poor performance last night did come at a bad time, however, considering the season he’s had (or even the last two), calling him out for redemption is a little harsh IMHO. I think we as fans tend to focus on the poor individual performances of our players in isolated games. I understand its out of passionate frustration, but these guys deserve a lot of appreciation. This is the best team we’ve had in my lifetime, maybe ever! Lets let them know it once in a while (and not just after a win lol). Just my two cents. You’ll get ‘em tomorrow Quicker!
!!!!GO KINGS GO!!!!
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jess Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
@the_guv,
Quick is great. It’s not about quick it’s about the entire team and how to win. Alternating goalies to create competition has worked. For some unexplainable reason TM stopped doing it and the results show.
This is not about Quick…
It’s about coaching.
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the_guv Reply:
April 5th, 2011 at 11:53 pm
@jess, I see that point, and I’ll agree. I was referring to those who are saying last night proves he’s not #1 goalie material, or that he should be traded for a forward.
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jess Reply:
April 6th, 2011 at 10:13 am
@the_guv,
I got ya –well that makes zero sense to trade him for a forward. Our goaltending tandem is the envy of the NHL and TM should be taking full advantage of it.
When Penner is good, he’s very good. But…
Last night Westgarth played better. Conditioning and heart.
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J.S Berube is tearing it up in jr playoffs right now. we have soo much depth between the pipes it’s insane!!!
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