No changes or surprises coming out of today’s practice. Jonathan Quick will start tomorrow afternoon against Colorado, but Terry Murray said his plan is to start Jonathan Bernier in one of the following two road games, at Edmonton and Vancouver. More notes and quotes to come…
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Wow. I thought Bernier would start on Saturday and maybe against Edmonton too. Revenge for Quick against Vancouver! REVENGE!!! Do it, boys!
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Looks like Oscar impressed enough to stay atop, despite Brown’s excellent performance. Good call Terry. Such a huge win despite the madness at the end. Regardless, it’s a relief to see the Williams-less Kings match the Sharks blow for blow.
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Capt Jam Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
@wavesinair,
But it’s a win that won’t count if it comes down to a tiebreaker. Those blown leads over the season could be the difference between home ice and road ice advantage
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DB6 Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
@Capt Jam, Am I alone thinking were better off on the road?
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VanKingsFan Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
@DB6, I think you are forgetting the first 20 games we played on the road this year
CB14 Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
@DB6, Nope!
Capt Jam Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
@DB6,
At times, yes. At times, no. It’s all about the mindset. If the Kings were to go off to play the final 8 of the season, I would feel pretty good about it. Back in January, not so much.
roadtripper Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
@DB6, the problem with the Kings seems not to be home or away, but rather that they seem to play up to
or down to 
the level of their competition and still lack that destroy everyone every time killer instinct (more often than naught).
USHA#17 Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
@DB6,
No, your not…
VanKingsFan Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
@Capt Jam, And the extra points for being stellar in the shoot outs hopefully avoids a tie breaker situation all together
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Capt Jam Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
@VanKingsFan,
It’s an extra point, but it’s one less “win” (as currently defined by the NHL).
Jeremy Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
@Capt Jam, don’t we prefer more road games this year? i know i do.
@wavesinair no reason to break up brownie’s line, they were excellent together as was Moller on the top line. We didn’t hear much from Penner last night which is a slight concern. Mollers’ speed out shined him IMO.
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wavesinair Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
@Capt Jam,
I think it’s pretty well established that “home ice advantage” doesn’t exist in the NHL.
As has been said, it’s been a mixed bag this season with home vs. away games for the Kings.
Clearly, the trend currently favors away games so I’m not at all concerned about starting the 1st round on the road. In fact, at this point, I’d prefer it.
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wavesinair Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
follow up:
So the lame NHL tiebreaker doesn’t bother me as long as it isn’t the difference between 8th and 9th place. THAT would be completely unfair in my mind if the Kings failed to qualify because of it. Especially if we won the season series.
CB14 Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
@wavesinair, It would only piss me off if we had won the season series against the particular team that could potentially knock us out. I think the tiebreaker should be shootout and overtime losses. The team with less gets in, because they didn’t win as many games as the other team. By win I mean regulation win, OT win, and shootout win. You put the shootout in NHL, you can’t say it’s really only worth .99 points instead of 1 like you’re doing now.
What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
@Capt Jam, The POINTS count, but there’s a single tiebreaker (regulation wins) that they lose on.
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gralx Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, What blows my mind is that with the rule change, it is better to have lost twice in overtime/shootout than to have won once in a shootout? Huh? It is better to have lost than won? What the heck is that? I can see using the shootout wins as a tie breaker AFTER using the OTL column as a tie breaker. Very, very odd to me…
What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
@gralx, It takes two games to lose twice in overtime/shootout, though, so it’s not like losing (one game) is better than winning (one game, by shootout.)
KC23 Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
@Capt Jam, Home or road doesn’t seem to mean squat to the Kings.
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USHA#17 Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
@Capt Jam,
Maybe if they took off those childish 3rd jerseys….
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KingsGuy Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
@USHA#17, I bet you like those UGLY purple and gold retros? Just call us the Lakers… HORRIBLE
Capt Jam Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
@USHA#17,
Now, you’re on to something!
Capt Jam Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
@KingsGuy,
Purple and gold is the way it should have always been.
Deke'r Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
@USHA#17, I agree completely….it look like a corporation stamp.
txkingsfan Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
@wavesinair, i don’t understand this philosophy of putting all of your hot / good players on the first line. It should be easy to understand that, in this league, you need 4 strong lines – each with their own talents, skill level, and responsibilities. You must not only distribute your scoring across 3 of your 4 lines (assuming the 4th is your energy/checking line), but you also must take into consideration the positions and characteristics of each of those players. Please people, too much is being placed on who is on the 1st line, 2nd line and so forth. We need EVERY line to contribute and to spread the talent and ability across all lines. Every team switches lines – sure TM hasn’t done it more than anyone else – we just watch the Kings more than other teams. Let’s all just be happy that we have turned the corner as an organization and for those of us who have been fans before Gretzky, we should be enjoying it even more. Go Kings.
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luc20rules Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
@wavesinair, I think the way Brown played you may not want to move him. He has good chemistry with Zues. Why shuffle if the lines are working?
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wavesinair Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
@luc20rules,
Huh, interesting how this thread developed. So I guess my original comment “Good call Terry” came across as sarcastic? Hmm. Didn’t mean to. Totally meant it.
In other words, I agree with you and txkingsfan above.
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Interesting choice by TM, especially considering the early start. I was certain he would go with Bernier, as I’m sure I lot of other posts will indicate in this thread.
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Capt Jam Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
@Capt Jam,
..as I’m sure a lot of…
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Bob Bobson Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
@Capt Jam, Same here as far as being surprised. I would imagine Bernier, being in the backup role, would play EDM instead of league-leading VAN.
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John Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
@Capt Jam,
He’s probably just going all-in to avert the let-down after a huge game.
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I was certain he would go with Bernier. There’s 1 for ya Capt Jam!
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After seeing how slow Penner looked playing alongside Moller, I got a question for everyone.
Penner, Smyth, Handzus: Who’s slower?
I’d say Smyth slowest followed by Zues then Penner. JMO. What’s yours.
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Harty Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
@CB14, definitely Smyth, I’ve got quicker Bantam’s on my Rep team.
I think Zues and Penner would actually tie…….
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KingsGuy Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
@CB14, Zues, Smyth, Penner. Zues gasses out after about 4 strides. Still got to love that dude!
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LB Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
@CB14,
to be honest, Penner is faster than I thought he was, sure he’s slow compared to Moller, but he can skate…
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Deke'r Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
@LB, and he’s twice Molls size.
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Eggplant Reply:
March 26th, 2011 at 3:33 am
@CB14, There was a time when I thought Zeus was the slowest man out there. Then I saw an Atlanta game and Nik Antropov. That guy is SLOW. Out of those 3, I’d say Smyth, Zeus, Penner right now. Usually it has been Zeus. He’s awesome defensively, though.
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Y is Penner of the 1st line? try Smyth again or anyone really idc
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gralx Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
@Paul G, Smyth doesn’t seem the same lately. I would bet he is dinged up…
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Quicker has let in a number of soft goals this year, #2 last night a perfect example. However, he has made some of the most amazing saves ever seen this year as well. Would you prefer a guy made all the easy and missed a few great ones? Which has more effect on the team? Just wondering what everyone thinks.
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Capt Jam Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
@Keithz,
The soft ones are gutting. See the last third of the Kings season last year. Credit to the Kings for being able to refocus and, for the most part, not let not those goals derail them for any substantial length of time.
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DesertKing Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
@Keithz,
All I know is that I hold my breath on every shot on goal except breakaways. When JQ is one-on-one with someone, he seems to be almost calm and in another zone. When the sticks and pucks are flying and he needs to be making instinctive saves, he is unbelievable. When it is the easy going, forward coming down on the wing and just letting it fly, he almost freezes. It seems like he is overthinking the simple saves and making the hard ones because he is acting on instinct. No matter what, he is the man and obvioulsy one of the main reasons we are doing so well in the most compettitive year that the NHL has seen in a very long time. By the way, no other starting goalie is perfect in shootout wins this season which tells you how skilled JQ is.
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CB14 Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
@Keithz, The soft one’s are definately big time downers, but the amazing saves have a much more positive effect than the soft have negative. After your goalie allows a soft goal the players usually want to pick the goalie up and get it right back for him because of all the times he’s saved their behinds with amazing saves.
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John Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
@Keithz,
ALL goalies let in soft goals!
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Capt Jam Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
@John,
True. It’s a matter of timing.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
@Keithz, I think people make too big a deal about the “soft” goals.
Half of them aren’t as soft as people who’ve never played make them out to be, and as John points out, all goaltenders let a bad goal or two in.
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Dominick Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
@Keithz,
Dude! how come every goal that has a possibility of being stopped is a soft goal? If those shots weren’t effective players wouldn’t take them. That second goal could have went in on any goalie at anytime. Some of you guys need to learn the difference between bad angle shot and soft goal. Even a bad angle shot is a scoring chance. Bad angle just means the shot wasn’t taken at the optimal shooting angle, but it’s still dangerous if the shooter gets all of his strength into it. Soft means the goalie wasn’t paying attention or had an easy shot and let it in anyway.
That shot came from Patrick Marleau with a full head of steam, uncontested. Hardly a softie.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
@Dominick, THANK YOU!
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Keithz Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
@Dominick, that shot was from the outside of the circle with no one in front of him. A pro goalie should make that play everytime. BTW, I am a huge Quicker fan, he stands on his head and amazes me daily, but we could count 5-10 of those shots from the cirlce that he has missed this season. The point of the question was to see what has the biggest effect on the team, the great saves or the unfortunate misses?
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Dominick Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
@Keithz,
Well I think it’s safe to say the Kings didn’t deflate after that one went in.
mrbrett7 Reply:
March 26th, 2011 at 8:52 am
@Dominick, Dom…I am a huge fan of Quicks…it was a soft goal, and he would be the first to tell you that.
Any goaltender will tell you that if they can see the shot, especially a wrist shot coming from one of the dots, they need to make that save 100% of the time. It was a soft goal…call a spade a spade.
However…most if not all of the other “soft” goals these jabroni’s around here complain about are NOT soft goals…not by any stretch.
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Michael J. Reply:
March 26th, 2011 at 9:40 am
@mrbrett7,
If Kopitar had scored from that same spot against Niemi(sp) would it have been a soft goal? Or a great shot?
BigMikeonD Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
@Keithz, Marleu fired a rocket. I would hardly call it a soft goal. The long goal against St. Louis was soft. Quick is still top 5 in the NHL and we are better with him. I was forced to watch the San Jose feed and the San Jose guys were talking about how good Quick is. Not many Goalies in the NHL would have stopped that shot. If Kopitar pushes that puck forward on the face off we are not even talking shoot out. San Jose got a perfect bounce that ended on Marleu’s stick at the end. We got two, I would have preferred in regular time but it is what it is.
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Dominick Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
@BigMikeonD,
In Quicks defense that St.Louis game was an abberition. The Blues were coming at Quick in waves. He did everything to stop them for 2 periods but was obviously done by the 3rd. Sometimes softies sneak by, but as long as there’s a logical explenation I can see, I don’t fault the goalie in those cases.
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Capt Jam Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
@Dominick,
So, what you’re saying is, it’s ok for Quick to give it his all for, say, 50 or 55 minutes, but everyone else has to play 60?
Dominick Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
@Capt Jam,
No! what I’m saying is that Quick was exhausted and wasn’t on his game. If you play Kopi 40 minutes of hard skating, he won’t have much left to make a difference either. I don’t think anybody can argue that the workload Quick faced that night was beyond the norm.
What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 26th, 2011 at 9:57 am
@Capt Jam, Reality alert! The rest of the team didn’t even play FIVE minutes.
mrbrett7 Reply:
March 26th, 2011 at 8:53 am
@BigMikeonD, As I said above…yeah, that really wasn’t a rocket of a shot. Marleau’s quick release may have fooled Quick, but in reality, that shot was going barely 30mph…it was a softie. Call a spade a spade.
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Deke'r Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
@Keithz, Quick has allways had trouble with shots from top of the faceoff circle…maybe he needs glasses? I’m surprized teams don’t try more long shots on him, but he is KILLER in the SO’s!
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jason Reply:
March 26th, 2011 at 1:42 am
@Keithz, in the early point of this season and last season he didnt let in soft goals really and if he did the timing or score was ok.. Lately though and last season his timing has been off.. The late goals are coming more often in the recent games.. I feel more confident with bernier… I think murray has to keep switching them up.. theres no reason not to use bernier because hes been awesome lately… Quick seems to do better after resting while bernier seems better when he plays more.. Quick has won many games for us but when he lets in the easy goals theres got to be some accountability with bernier behind him.. I am surprised too that murray is playing Quick with this short rest… hopefully he doesnt tire
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not to disrespect rich, but there is a live chat with Helene over at LAtimes website on all things hockey
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wavesinair Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Link:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/03/live-chat-with-helene-elliott-about-kings-ducks-and-the-nhl.html
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tornado12 Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
@wavesinair, thx waves
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DesertKing Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
@tornado12,
I would rather type with Rich than chat or listen to Helene, aka the “Weekly World News of Hockey”
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wavesinair Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
@DesertKing,
I know many dislike her for her seemingly harsh treatment of the Kings. Personally, I like that she expresses more of an opinion more so than Rich does. Certainly, I don’t agree with her all the time, but I do acknowledge that she is very knowledgeable about the sport in general. I learn new things from her all the time, regardless of my personal preference. In other words, she’s well worth reading.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
@wavesinair, I think she should pay someone to pick the sand out of her Vaseline.
tornado12 Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
@wavesinair, I thought it was a good Q&A session…whats funny is that the Dux fans said the same thing about her being biased against them! I think that says a lot.
Dominick Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
@wavesinair,
Nothing wrong with reading both sides of the coin. I agree that I don’t always agree with her, but she does make some valid points from her perspective.
Sometimes I try to make valid points from my perspective, and Kingsfans don’t always agree, but if you just look for people who agree with you, you never change your perspective.
Then you just end up a sock puppet.
wavesinair Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
Curse the sock puppeteers! They are the worst form of myopia. Yeah, I’m with you. I try to keep an open mind on all angles, whether or not I agree with them.
Capt Jam Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
@DesertKing,
HNH is not bad for someone who covers teams from her living room.
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DesertKing Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
@Capt Jam,
Like it!
mrbrett7 Reply:
March 26th, 2011 at 8:54 am
@tornado12, Oh yes…Helen “I know nothing about hockey but complain daily to sell the LA Times” Elliot.
No thanks.
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makes sense to me to play Quick against Colorado, Bernier against Edmonton and Quick against Vancouver.
the Kings scored 3 goals – that’s a lot for them. no reason to shake anything up.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
@Dave, Sounds good to me. Bernier in one of the final two against the Schmucks, too.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
March 26th, 2011 at 8:55 am
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, I would imagine so, unless those games are make/break to get into the playoffs. At that point, if Quick is your #1, you must go with your #1.
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Ok peeps I need some help with this damned tie-breaker thing. What’s the deal and can it hurt the Kings making the Post- Season? All I’m hearing lately is that it’s no longer good to win in a shoot out. If that is so then why have them? I think they suck for the most part and overtime was so much better back in the old days. When is it in sports that winning a game works against you? Hockey I guess. My heart dropped when we gave up that late goal. They should of never had 14 seconds to start with, but they get the tying goal anyway. Brown did great, more the reason why he’s our Captain. I still think he needs to be on the top line, but being that Smithy has gone cold, it’s good to get some secondary scoring. Anyone reading this please help me with my questions and may the Kingdom continue to rise to glory.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
@kinginsaltlake, Winning the shootout doesn’t “hurt” anyone. It gets them an extra point, and tha tpoint counts. The thing people are complaining about is when two teams with the same number of points are compared head-to-head for seeding at the end of the season, one of the tiebreakers is regulation wins. The team with more regulation wins gets the edge. That’s what people are bitching about.
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Canadian King Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?,
In fact its the first tie breaker and its called ROW (regulation and overtime wins), second tie breaker is head to head points and last is GF vs GA. So you can see why it is important to win in reg or OT, especially when it is a close race like this year in the west.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 26th, 2011 at 10:00 am
@Canadian King, Yet, it’s most important to win, period.
mrbrett7 Reply:
March 26th, 2011 at 8:56 am
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, It’s actually the FIRST tiebreaker.
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Kopi Bryant Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
@kinginsaltlake, If teams are tied in points at the end of the year the first tie-breaker is regulation wins. So subtract shootout wins from total wins and that’s what you get and the Kings have the least amount of regulation wins from teams in contention right now.
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Don’t get this at all. I would of thought Bernier would go against the Avs because of the late OT game last night and early game tomorrow. Shrugs. I have faith in TM regarding these kind of things.
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Well I also thought Quick would get rested against the Avs. I guess Bernier will play Edmonton and probably one of the Anaheim games. GKG
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I just left chatting with that Helene Lady at the times. She answered my question, but only half way. I read one of her articles and didn’t dig her writing style. Must be hard reporting on both clubs. If it was me I’d get a different job. It’s all about the Kings and trying to win a cup some day. The Ducks won theirs and we must give them there props, but we all know the the Kings Kingdom goes further than just the 714. Kings Nation is World Wide. Not many kids grow up being Ducks fans. Unless you had watched the movie for which they got their name from. For the Kings to win the Cup would mean heaven on earth for a lot of us who have been with this club through some many hard years. This group of Kings has not only got their faithful, die hard fans, but many new fans are coming along as time goes bye. Go Kings and remember that the best Kings News and Bloggers are always on The Insider. Peace to you all.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
March 26th, 2011 at 9:03 am
@kinginsaltlake, That’s probably because she doesn’t know the difference between a hockey puck and a baseball.
I’ve been reading her stuff for 20+ years now, and she is still just as clueless as she was back then.
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with Koci in the lineup for the Avs, I wonder if TM goes to Westgarth in place of Richardson, who had long periods of inactivity last night.
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Dominick Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
@Marc Nathan,
That was because he’s still a 4rth line player. I thought when he was on the ice, he was effective. There was some shifts with Lewis, and Clifford where they were pretty tenacious, and recovered the puck well. Still TM has shown a propensity to have Westy out there when they have an enforcer in their line up. That’s a legitimate question for sure.
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Since '67 Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
@Marc Nathan, Do we ALWAYS have to come back to this? It’s getting beyond old news. Playoffs are right around the corner, shouldn’t that be our concern?
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mrbrett7 Reply:
March 26th, 2011 at 9:02 am
@Marc Nathan, Hmmmm…might not be a terrible idea, as the Avs certainly have nothing to lose.
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jason Reply:
March 26th, 2011 at 10:45 am
@Marc Nathan, if the other team has someone that no one on our lineup can handle, westy should be in.. If westy isnt there, a guy like Koci will demolish anyone else on the kings he fights.. You always gotta have someone for the dirty plays and stuff.. Its common sense hockey 101.. Plus its not like richardson is that good.. Having said that.. richardson is very good against colorado and we did ok without westy in the other games
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It has to be against Edmonton. With a possible chance to play Vancouver in the playoffs again, Quick needs that start.
Great win last night!
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lets sit johnson for drewiske or harrold hehe…
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For those wondering why Quick is playing and not Bernier.
In case you haven’t noticed, the Kings need points, and badly. Quick is the #1 goaltender, period, end of discussion. When your in a playoff race and you need points that badly, your #1 plays.
Kari Lehtonen in Dallas, has made over 25 consecutive starts I believe.
Carey Price has barely sat down all season.
Ryan Miller…does Buffalo even HAVE a backup? They talked about giving him a game off, and people were jumping into the Niagra out there.
Anti Niemi, from the Sharks, who we just beat, has made 32 consecutive starts now.
We have the luxery of having a very good backup, but not the luxery of being in the playoffs. This team needs every point, and Quick gives them the best chance to get every point.
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Since '67 Reply:
March 26th, 2011 at 11:10 am
@mrbrett7, Couldn’t have said it better myself.
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