Justin Williams is expected to miss 3-4 weeks because of his shoulder injury, so theoretically he could return during the playoffs if things went well for him and the team. Terry Murray did not discuss Oscar Moller or his potential role, since Moller has not officially been called up (until paperwork is completed).
In surprising news, Scott Parse skated for approximately 10 minutes, in his first time back on the ice, but Parse said he’s not 100 percent. More notes and quotes to come…
We’ll miss ya Willie.
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Harty Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:27 pm
@LA_1968, you bet we will, he is like it or not a big part of our offence, maybe Penner has a tough time staying with him however Kopi loved the way he played as a skilled player.
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having jw back for some of the playoffs would be so, so, so great… get well soon buddy – we need our LW1!!
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Marbles Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:22 pm
@ColoKingFan,
You mean RW1
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ColoKingFan Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 3:25 pm
@ColoKingFan, I ever tell you guys I’m lexdysic… or erm, dyslexic.
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also, i am officially rooting against saskatoon.
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McDonalds Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:08 pm
@ColoKingFan,
haha yea i was kind of thinking the same thing…
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Paul G Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:40 pm
@ColoKingFan, No point in that….even if Saskatoon gets eliminated Lombardi shouldn’t call up Schenn since that would count as a year in his contract if he plays 1 more game
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McDonalds Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 3:11 pm
@Paul G,
Even if it’s a playoff game? I don’t know the rules
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ColoKingFan Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 3:24 pm
@Paul G, I thought after a certain date they could call him up penalty free… maybe Mr Hammond could clarify that one….
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Darrell Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 5:20 pm
@Paul G, If it burns a year off his contract and we win the Cup, I’m OK with that.
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kingeleven Reply:
March 23rd, 2011 at 5:45 pm
@Darrell, Saskatoon are the favorites this year and for good reason. I would be very surprised if they didn’t atleast make it to the finals.
Very good news that the dislocation wasn’t more severe. Best wishes, JW, we need you.
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Well I don’t know if anyone else has notice this disturbing view, that is the Kings #3 chasing a forward after they have gotten behind him for a scoring chance?
Be in in the third period when we are up by a goal, or in the first two after ANOTHER attempted pinch when the other teams scores are on the ice….like Oli Jockenen!
When will #3 start to use his head, instead of his talent? When he starts combining both we will have a true one/two punch like few others in the NHL.
Till then we have a hit and miss situation with Mr. 3.
centericeman
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wavesinair Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:07 pm
@centericeman,
Little talk about that giant blunder. How does Jokinen get behind the defense in that situation? I couldn’t believe my eyes. JJ is still trying to do too much at the wrong time. I’d like to have a quote about that play, but I haven’t found any.
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Stuart Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:16 pm
@wavesinair, I know JJ was the last man back, but there were two other forwards that tried to cheat to the wall and lost track of any assignments… Ultimately JJ looks the worst bc he was the one floundering as OJ skated past him, but it wasn’t his mistake alone. All 3 of them ASSumed that it was going to be a play up the boards.
Not defending the blown assignment, just saying what I saw…
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wavesinair Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:21 pm
@Stuart,
So was JJ trying to get off the ice and got left out to dry? Hard to tell from the replay they showed. If true, as the old adage goes defensemen, “never trust a forward.”
mrbrett7 Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:07 pm
@Stuart, EXACTLY!!!
No Waves, he wasn’t. JJ was covering his man, Calgary’s LW over in on that side of the ice. By the time he even saw Jokinen, it was too late.
Cynic Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:46 pm
@wavesinair, Actually Waves, I don’t put that all on JJ. Remember the replay? The 2 forwards in the middle went to the boards as well, openini up center ice for that pass. JJ is supposed to cover the 1/2 wall for the pass down the boards. A forward is supposed to stay in the middle to cover that type of pass. JJ saw the pass coming, but couldn’t get back in time. He should have been in a deeper position but that happens. The forwards who both went to the boards are more to blame than JJ here. One should have stayed in the middle to discourage the pass up center ice.
JJ is an easy target though. He does overcompensate a lot. He is improving but it’s gonna hurt once in a while until he does.
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wavesinair Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 3:03 pm
@Cynic,
Yeah, mrbrett said basically the same thing. It was a failure on 3 levels. It amazes me how that breakdown occurs at that time though. There’s no good time for it, but certainly there are worse times and that was one of them. And it’s been an epidemic this season with equalizers within a few minutes.
Mike C Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:08 pm
@centericeman,
Yea, I was particulary disturbed by the play. We had 5 minutes to win the game outright. Steve Staios had a good look and Calgary had obvious control of the puck — time to make sure a breakaway doesn’t happen. Inexcusable.
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Dan H. Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:09 pm
@centericeman,
It was a line change and #3 had just come back on and was closest to the man that got by. Wasn’t his fault.
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fsd1 Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:13 pm
@Dan H., Thank you!
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USHA#17 Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:16 pm
@Dan H.,
Thank you. Something that did not show on TV
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wavesinair Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:17 pm
@Dan H.,
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t it Mitchell coming on the ice and JJ was already on the ice? Murray said in the post game presser that it’s a simple play that can’t be allowed to happen. That the D in that position has to play to the center of the ice. Not sure if that was JJ’s assignment, but it looked like it. I don’t have a replay to see it though.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:09 pm
@wavesinair, You are correct. But, your also wrong. Watch the replay.
Handzus was on vaction along the wall on the far right hand side. Smyth joined him for a day in the sun. Meanwhile, Jokinen was at top speed, and before anyone even saw him, he was past those two, leaving 1 defenseman to cover 2 Flames…and Johnson chose the wrong guy.
bbb7 Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:32 pm
@wavesinair, Yes, JJ was on the ice and at his position but he drifted towards the left wall (away from the benches) and Ollie crossed over in front of him. It just seems JJ wasnt aware enough of how little support he had to the center of the ice.
Dave Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:18 pm
@Dan H., i didn’t notice that but if that’s the case i would be happy to hear. last night was the first game in a while that i noticed him not play well. his +/- has gone down quite a bit recently but it’s hard to blame him on most of them. for example, he was on the ice for the Perry OT goal but you can’t blame him for that.
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BobKnob Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:13 pm
@centericeman,
I agree he has to sharpen up defensively and clean up mistakes and poor decisions. He was slightly out of position on the Olli goal and Olli cut the other way against the grain. But man, those were some damn powerful strides by Olli.
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SDGolfer Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:13 pm
@centericeman, #3 was behind the grassy knoll
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:22 pm
@centericeman, It’s disturbing, but he has improved a lot. I’m glad he’s not pulling boners like that every shift any more.
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wavesinair Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:48 pm
@centericeman,
I missed this quote about the play from an earlier thread…
MURRAY: “That was a line change. That’s just against one of the fundamentals that we have in place with this hockey club. We just stretched out, we got spread out. On a line change, you’re supposed to stay nice and tight, compact in the middle of the ice. Jokinen comes from deep in the right-defenseman corner, with a lot of speed. It’s a play that we’ve got to make. That’s all there is to it. It should not come down to a 1-on-1 look like that, unfortunately.”
Murray went on to say, “The bottom line is it’s just a line change. It’s a simple, fundamental drill that we’ve executed from the first day of year one of training camp and we got spread out. You’re supposed to be nice and tight.”
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mrbrett7 Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:05 pm
@centericeman, I’m only going to say this once. Handzus’s responsibility is to choke off center ice, and he didn’t. Smyth’s responsibility is to not even let the pass happen, and he did.
Johnson’s responsibility is to not let Jokinen get behind him, and he did.
Hockey is a TEAM GAME, AND THE TEAM FAILED.
For the love of God, please stop blaming ONE GUY FOR ONE GOAL.
Yet another reason +/- is a BS statistic.
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fsd1 Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 3:04 pm
@mrbrett7, SO true, thanks!
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OK, so its bad, but its not THAT bad. Williams could be back as early as the first round of playoffs. im ok with that.
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He recovered quickly last time, though his game was hardly 100% when he returned
See ya in TWO weeks Justin…i can dream
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Bill M. Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:06 pm
@McDonalds, If he’s back in three weeks, he won’t totally lose his edge like he did when he broke his leg. He was out over two months for that, which totally derails your off season and pre-season conditioning and prep. If he’s back in three weeks, he might still come back in good form.
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McDonalds Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:09 pm
@Bill M.,
excellent point
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:26 pm
@Bill M., Three weeks for you and me is a nice rest, but in the NHL, it’s an eternity. Fortunately, he should be able to do cardio. Don’t know about skating.
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Other legit reports indicate the best he can achieve without surgery is 80% strength in 3-4 weeks, and then he’d wear a harness. I’m taking this to mean that regardless, he will eventually need surgery to repair the damage. Yet another surgery for JW.
http://twitter.com/#!/helenenothelen
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Moondoggie Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:17 pm
@wavesinair, Yea, I was thinking the same thing…I’d really hoped Willy has escaped the injury bug this year….it’s really too bad. He was having an excellent season.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:14 pm
@wavesinair, I played with this once…but, I didn’t stay at a Holiday Inn last night, so…
Seriously, once it was back in, it didn’t hurt, but you notice not having any strength. After the surgery, I was fine, and haven’t had any issues since.
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ColoKingFan Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 3:27 pm
@wavesinair, I dunno man, Mel Gibson messed up his shoulder lots of times in the Lethal Weapon movies and he still caught the bad guys……
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three weeks isn’t that bad – i believe that would put him on track for a mid-first round return.
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USHA#17 Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:35 pm
@Dave,
Not if he returns to the playoffs less then 100%. Remember last year?
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Dave Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:26 pm
@USHA#17, there’s a big difference missing 3 weeks and missing 3 months. last year’s injury kept him out much longer and he couldn’t do any skating, etc. during that time.
it may end up he can’t play if the injury doesn’t heal well but i would think he has a much better shot at making an impact in this year’s playoffs vs. last year.
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Let’s not get our hopes up with the Scott Parse news. We will not be seeing him until next year. Take your time, Scott.
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virgil Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:12 pm
@Mike C, scott parse? who is this scott parse that you speak of?
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Stuart Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:18 pm
@virgil, he’s not the forward you are looking for – “This isn’t the forward we’re looking for, move along”
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belexes Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:19 pm
@Mike C,
I believe the Scott Parse ship has sailed. Don’t see him making any more contributions here.
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AZ King Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:24 pm
@belexes,
You might be right, but it’s kind of hard to say since he really didn’t get much of a chance to get going this year.
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belexes Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:27 pm
@AZ King,
my point is that this year was his chance. Next year I don’t see him in the mix for this team, especially if we make it deep into the playoffs.
Dave Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:29 pm
@belexes, he’s signed for another year – i don’t see why he can’t compete for a spot in the lineup next year. he was pretty good in the games he did play. there will be at least 2 forward spots up for grabs next year and maybe up to 5.
penner-kopitar-?
smyth-stoll-brown
?-?-simmonds
?-?-?
Poni and Handzus are UFA, Lewis, Richardson and Westgarth are RFA. i would imagine Lewis gets re-signed but not sure on the rest.
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Kevco Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:24 pm
@Mike C, It’s kind of his fault he didnt make it. He came into camp with a bad groin (not enough work during off season). He then tried to push thru it to make the team. He was clearly not 100% and his groin caused the hip injury. Too bad for him and us, he’s lost a year and we picked up Penner.
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best news we could have gotten, best of luck Willy. Now lets put Moller in a top 6 role and see what this kid can do.
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USHA#17 Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:17 pm
@uknojata,
I don’t know…Williams was just so crafty…something that can’t be taught.
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Moondoggie Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:18 pm
@uknojata, Concur…turn him loose!
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I’m surprised that it’s being discussed as a shoulder injury. I was expecting to hear ‘undisclosed upper body injury’.
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id expect williams back before parse…
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I really think that Oscar could surprise everyone here. A point a game player could really help us.
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Harty Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:28 pm
@Walter, I would like to think so, however he will not be the player Williams is nor will he be able to play at the level he plays at in the AHL.
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Deke'r Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:35 pm
@Walter, I’m hoping for the best with Oscar but the AHL does not equal the NHL.
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:41 pm
@Deke’r, true but where u think we got Quick Martinez Bernier from the AHL so dont judge about the AHL into u see what the guy can bring up
I rather have Moller up than Westy
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Deke'r Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:48 pm
@KingsFanFTW, I’ll agree on the Westy point, but have seen Moller up the past two seasons…..just saying I don’t think the “point per game” applies here….sure would like being proved pessimistic!
mrbrett7 Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:17 pm
@KingsFanFTW, Different position. Moller has been here before.
We know what he can do. He has some serious offensive skill, to go along with a body that hasn’t shown yet the capability of going up against bigger and stronger NHL competition.
Competition in the AHL is slower, and not nearly as physical.
KingsFanFTW Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:59 pm
@Deke’r, Lets just hope he can do something LOL
Hey i thought Martinez wasn’t ready but he prove me wrong
Maybe Moller can prove us wrong that he not ready
After all he did great against Nashville when he rus a Defense and got the puck and made it as a goal
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:59 pm
@Deke’r, well prove us wrong that he is ready for the NHL
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Heal fast JW. Hang in there Kings fans!
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Would like to see these lines
Penner-Kopi-Moller
Poni-Stoll-Simmonds
Clifford-Handzus-Brown
Smyth-Lewis-Richie
Thoughts anyone?
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McDonalds Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:16 pm
@KH,
Gotta keep smyth in the top 9. He can get his scoring touch back, while Clifford has yet to show us much of one.
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KH Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:18 pm
@McDonalds, So smyth on the second line role, poni to third line and Clifford on the fourth?
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Harty Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:30 pm
@McDonalds, Cliffords skating and desire alone compared to Smyth’s slow pace and lack of toughness will serve us better
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friarking Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:01 pm
@McDonalds, Yeah, Smyth should be in the top 9. He almost had that wrap around last night. I’d like to see him get a day off or two if and when we clinch a playoff spot. He’s seemed a bit tired this month.
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Dave Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:22 pm
@KH, there’s got to come a time when TM just goes with what he thinks are his best lines and hope his players perform. looking for that magical combination with 10 games left is not going to cut it.
put Moller on the top line to replace Williams, Poni/Handzus/Simmonds back together as that is a hard line to play against. and put smyth/stoll/brown together as they all are 20 goal guys. then let clifford/lewis/richie play scrappy and bring energy.
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Deke'r Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:41 pm
@KH, I also think Cliffy will be on the 4th line, Smitty on 3rd, Simmers on first, Brownie to 2nd and Oscar to 3rd.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:22 pm
@KH, I’m not going to argue with these lines.
Everyone complains about all the line changing, but the one thing you do get out of them is the ability for all the players to play with anyone. It does help from time to time (especially when you have a team like this searching for an offensive identity).
Anyway, IF it were me:
Penner/Kopitar/Brown
Smyth/Stoll/Moller
Poni/Handzus/Simmonds
Clifford/Lewis/Richardson
I would love to see Smyth get a day off, but, if you move him down, he can’t be paird with Handzus. Love the guy, but that is two of the slowest skaters in the NHL, both on the same line, together. Not to mention that Handzus’s line will draw the most difficult defensive responsibility on most occassions, and I don’t want Smyth anywhere near that.
I also know the hate for Brown around here is out of control, but, the most productive time both he and Kopitar have had this season were when they were playing on the same line, TOGETHER. It’s really not that hard.
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CB14 Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 6:35 pm
@mrbrett7, Absolutely agree about Brown and Kopi being together on the 1st line. They were missing a 1st line LW the whole year, now we’ve got one so give them a chance together. Plus Stoll and Brown just don’t fit. Neither are playmakers, and we don’t have a LW that is a playmaker to put alongside those two.
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I’m guesting that a lack of update on Scuderi’s hand, means that there’s nothing to update because he’s just fine. Maybe I imagined him skating slowly to the bench last night? Grimacing in pain. Looking like he wouldn’t have been able to go back out for another shift.
Maybe?
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Dave Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:22 pm
@Blurker, i hope you are right
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mrbrett7 Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:24 pm
@Blurker, No, you saw it…he had a towel to his hand when they showed him on the bench. I bet he cut himself.
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Darrell Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 6:53 pm
@mrbrett7, He was slashed, but the refs missed it. It sure looked like he was worried about it on the bench.
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Williams playing 82 games is like Philly going 82-0 and the beard getting an assist.
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Kings x Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:22 pm
@Kings x, What will this injury do to the teams ability to win consistently? When poni went down we went on a skid. When mitchell went down we went on a skid. We have go 4-4-1 from here to make the playoffs. Tough games ahead.
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USHA#17 Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:39 pm
@Kings x,
4-5-0 gets us 96 points
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I think Justin Williams is one of the quickest healers in the league..other guys in the league, would be out for a couple months
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:33 pm
@Vahe, God knows he’s had the practice!
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number 6 Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 5:55 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?,
:=) A wee bit Monty Pythonesque that.
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friarking Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:02 pm
@Vahe, yeah JW is very wolverine-like
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Williams!!!!
BOOOOOO hope he gets better for next season then
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Really we shouldn’t argue lines on here as TM doesn’t read and or care what we think about that piece of the game. He will decide with DL on who is in or out of the lineup and all line combinations go through the GM typically.
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driller1 Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:38 pm
@Harty, Huh? I think DL has final say over the 23 man roster, but don’t think he has anything to do with line combinations.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:25 pm
@driller1, There is no 23 man roster at this point in the season…rosters have expanded now I believe.
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fsd1 Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 3:09 pm
@mrbrett7, correct, but i do believe what driller said as to DL does not set up the lines, it is all TM.
Here’s hoping the Kings stay strong and last long enough for Williams to rejoin the team.
Huge bummer Justin got hurt. Again, I was really happy for him knowing he was injury free and back to form after so many injuries. He always seemed to be one of the few players pushing extremely hard every night no matter what and enjoying himself.
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:43 pm
@Gary Livingston, well at least he stay with us long as he can not like Mitchell and Poni
They got injury twice in the same season
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Super bummed about JW! I was at the game last night and I had a feeling it was his shoulder just by the way he skated back to the bench. I’m hoping he has a speedy recovery! We will miss you Justin! Let’s hope Moller can pull his weight! Looking forward to Thursday nights game! GKG!
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I think it’s bad news that JW#14 got hurt. Dude is all over the ice and brings a leadership role to our club. We are going to miss his energy. Yet another fhing for this team to deal with. I’m glad we got the win last night, but sure would of liked to win it without overtime. Sooner or later , this giving up goals within the first 3 min after we score is going to bite us hard. See you Kings fans in April for the Coyotes game. I just bought my seats. Would like to meet any Insider peeps at the game. Who’s going? Let me know> oldpro323@aol.com
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:01 pm
@kinginsaltlake, thats if Blackhawks dont take it away from us they alwayswinning and they are going to
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Hate to say it….but I’d rather be the Kings and lose Williams than the Canucks and lose Malhotra. I guess what I’m trying to say is that, yes this is a bad loss for the Kings, but other teams have their own problems, so they’re all in the same boat. The Kings are not a one man or one line team so they should be okay. Besides, this team doesn’t rely on it’s offense to win games anyway…..that’s been painfully obvious lately!
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:02 pm
@Shotongoal, LOL yea ur right but then if we dont score then we dont win
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mrbrett7 Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:25 pm
@KingsFanFTW, If we don’t stop them from scoring, we don’t win either.
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bbb7 Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:37 pm
@Shotongoal, True we dont rely on offense but I expect us to score even LESS than our 1 goal per game with JW out… hard to win many like that.
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Shotongoal Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 3:45 pm
@bbb7, so no one has heard of others stepping up?? C’mon if we as fans are going to sit on this blog and talk about how good this team is, and they can beat anyone, and so on, are some of you now going to fall apart and think the Kings world is coming to an end because a player got injured? Or, sound so desperate that you hope Parse or Moller, or whoever is going to save the season because a top 6 winger got hurt? I’m sorry, yes its a bummer that JW got hurt, he’s a big part of this teams success this season, it sucks, but I am not going to sit here and think that this season is over now because of an injury. I would like to believe that if this team is for real and they have the desire, then they will overcome this and still be successful. They would not be the first team to have an injury to a key player and still not have success. See VAN Malhotra, see CHI Sharp, see PITT Crosby and Malkin. I’m sure these teams’ fans think all those injuries suck too, but I bet they don’t think their teams seasons are over.
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In a team that is short on offense, that is a big loss. JW was undeniably having his best season as a King. I think Simmonds is the logical choice to fill his spot in the #1 line. He’s definitely earned it especially from his game last night.
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If this was Detective John McClane he would be back on duty the very next day, bad hang over and all.
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Kingme20 Reply:
March 22nd, 2011 at 3:14 pm
@David,
Broken glass, gunshot wounds… that’s nothing. McClane never had to go into the wall with an NHL defenseman. End of story.
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Could be just what we need to shake this team up in a good way or could just be the catalyst that causes exit stage left from the playoffs. Time will tell.
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Wondering if we can get some clarification on the recovery time. The way I read it, he’s rehabbing the shoulder, no surgery. Is this because there is the possibility he can return in time for the playoffs or is surgery not required at all for this type of injury? Or they waiting to see how he rehabs to see if he can play or if surgery would be the better option?
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Heartbreaking injury for a guy who just has this injury cloud following him for the past few years of his career. He’d been playing so well and so durably. I guess that’s just hockey sometimes. Get well soon, Willy… we want you to be part of a nice, long run in the playoffs!
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