The list of unhappy Kings also includes Drew Doughty, who made that quite evident on the ice. Doughty vehemently protested after Vancouver’s go-ahead goal, claiming interference and/or cross-checking, and was even more irate when he was called for diving — at the same time as Alex Burrows’ roughing penalty — late in the third period. Here’s what Doughty said after the game…
Question: It’s probably an understatement to say you weren’t happy with a couple of the calls…
DOUGHTY: “No, not at all. Obviously, on that winning goal, I got cross-checked from behind. In a defensive position, there’s not much you can do with a guy cross-checking you from behind. He’s the one who scored the goal, too. In my opinion, it should never have happened, it should never have been a goal. Then, the dive at the end, I don’t see how you can call a dive and call a penalty at the same time. I think it’s kind of one or the other, but whatever. We’ve got to put that game past us and continue on and play the next game better.”
Question: Did any of the officials say anything to you about the non-call?
DOUGHTY: “No, they didn’t talk to me. I was just kind of yelling at them, I guess. That’s one thing I’ve got to work on. I get frustrated at the refs too often, and sometimes I say things I wish I didn’t say. It’s something I’ve got to learn from.”
Question: Overall, do you think your team played as well as it could, or should?
DOUGHTY: “No. That second period, they were definitely all over us. We didn’t have very many opportunities. We (can do) a lot better than that. I know we’re all not happy with the way we played, and the next game is a must-win and we’re going to be at our best.”
OH DOUGHTY you have lots to learn still
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Sam Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 8:19 pm
@gmo, What? You’re not serious right?
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TKO Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
@gmo, the guys is good. Can be better. But you’re right he spends a great deal of time yapping instead of going about his business. Thats not really controversial because he admits it himself. You just don’t want to be known around the league as a whiner. Also, would love for him to try and skate the puck OUT of the zone from time to time.
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mania16 Reply:
March 6th, 2011 at 12:08 am
@gmo, you are kidding right?
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PRMan Reply:
March 6th, 2011 at 7:43 am
@gmo, Skill, very little. Attitude and not hurting your team, he’s got a bit to learn.
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anonandonanon Reply:
March 6th, 2011 at 9:35 am
@gmo, What I like about Drew’s comment is that either he realized he’d had a lapse in mature judgement or someone had already let him know that he could have played it a little differently for the good of the team. Either way he hasn’t got that big-head superstar syndrome. Let’wait til he’s 25 or 26 before we get too harsh.
Hard way to lose but that’s why the Canucks are in first.
Chalk it up to a good critical game experience. Playoff like in nature and yet not anywhere near as critical.
GKG
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“I don’t see how you can call a dive and call a penalty at the same time”
Frankly, I don’t either. Infact, I’d like the NHL, you know, the guys who make the actual RULES of the game, to explain how this can happen. It’s either one or the other. He dove or he was impeded upon.
Pretty safe to say if it was a penalty, then he wasn’t diving. But in the world these refs live in…a cross-check in the back into the goalie is as good as a goal, so……
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3Bcrown Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
@Cynic, it’s easy. it was a penalty for getting the elbow up on doughty and lets be honest doughty embellished it so he gets a dive. the key is embellishing. it needs to stop. doughty and brown are both pretty bad and do it often. as for the go ahead goal… the refs were wrong.
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Oz Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
@3Bcrown,
Really? Then there should have been a lot of diving calls on the Canucks as well. It can’t be one sided.
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Cynic Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
@3Bcrown, Like I said down below, what does it matter what the reaction is if the ref is calling a penalty. Doughty could sit there stonefaced and it would still be a penalty. Reaction or not, it’s a penalty.
This only matters when a call is suspect because of embellishment. The ref and the rest of us saw the elbow to Doughty’s grill. There was no doubt there was a penalty there. Who cares how Doughty reacts at that point.
If the ref was NOT going to call elbowing there, THEN you give one to Doughty for Unsportsmanlike Conduct. You don’t do both though. It looks utterly ridiculous!
Ref thinking (Well, it was a penalty, but I don’t like the way Doughty acted so I’ll throw him in the box too). THAT is when a referee begins to determine the outcome of a game which is EXACTLY what happened today. When refs lose control of a game, they get whistle happy to try and re-establish control and it ruins the game. I NEVER saw Rob Schick when he was reffing do that.
Now considering Rob Schick is on the NHL board of referees as a supervisor out here, maybe he’ll school this crew on their mistakes…http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2009/09/nhl-hockey-rob-shick-referee.html
I can only hope.
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3Bcrown Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 5:18 pm
@Cynic, schick never called that penalty because it wasn’t a focus of the league until recently when the rules changed. once the rules changed to penalize hooking and holding and tripping more guys started flopping like soccer players trying to draw a penalty.
Stuart Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
@3Bcrown, WRONG!!! People have been diving since helmets became a must. It became an artform in the 90s and well, now it’s reached soccer proportions. It has toned down a little, but there should def be more dive calls…
Piss poor ref’ing today. When a spade is a spade it must be called such.
3Bcrown Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
@Cynic, stuart you just argued my point. it’s become a problem these days. it became a focus and so they started calling penalties and also handing out fines a couple of years ago therefor it happens less now. a spade is a spade and a dive is a dive. doughty was elbowed and then dove. i whole heartedly agree with you that more diving/embellishing penalties should be handed out including any kings that do it.
PRMan Reply:
March 6th, 2011 at 7:47 am
@Cynic, You’re going to use Rob Schick as a measure of fair officiating? My friends used to call him Rob “I can’t see” Schick.
red49er Reply:
March 7th, 2011 at 9:58 am
@Cynic, its poor sportsmanship to act like you just got shot with a 30.06 rather than hit in the mouth with an elbow. i like that doughty gets pissed – shows he cares, but i also agree the last thing you want in this league is a reputation as a whiner. also its was nice to see j.j. finally get a little chippiness to his game. now he has to learn to initiate rather than react.
Dominick Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
@Cynic,
I think their basically saying if you take the penalty without trying to sell it(which I didn’t think he was doing) then we’ll just send the other guy to the box alone. If you do try to sell it we’re going to give you a penalty as well because that’s not fair to the other team.
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Cynic Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
@Dominick, I know what you are saying, but the fact remains that it’s not fair to EITHER team when the ref is deciding the outcome of games because of his whistle instead of the play on the ice. When the game becoes about the refs, like today, they are NOT enforcing the rulebook, but their egos as the ‘Guys in charge’.
That’s why I mention Rob Schick. The game was always more important than him. Very good at explainaing all his calls, admitted his mistakes, was always low-key with the players (Unless they REALLY got out of hand). He played his position like a good goaltender: Calm and controlled.
Players are going to ‘Sell’ everything they can to get a win. Good refs understand that. The ‘Diving’ rule was put in place to stop guys from embellishment to fool the refs. That means trying to create a penalty when there is none. The elbow to Doughty was a penalty. What can he embellish to create any more of an advantage for his team besides ‘Cut’ himself WWE style to get a 5 minute major? What player is going to do that?
That diving call was a ref, upset that Doughty chirped at him just a few minutes before. Pretty obvious and pretty sad IMHO. The ref put his feelings above the game. Why else would you send him off the ice with a 10 minute misconduct after your bad call just cost his team the game? I guarantee Rob Schick would have handled that MUCH differently.
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Dominick Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
@Cynic,
I agree with you. The rule is there for the actions where a player tries to sell a call that didn’t happen (like a player flying out of control even though no one touched him). Like you said “embellishment to fool the refs”. The elbow was blatant and DD’s actions did nothing to make that call legitimate, or would have influenced the refs decision to make the call one way or the other. It comes down to that grey area of refs interpretation of that rule. In DD’s case he lost, and so did we.
Stuart Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
@Cynic, “Good refs understand that.” That’s the problem, about 7 years ago a lot of the “good” refs retired, or atleast a lot of them started working with the Denny Larue’s of the league and now we have those guys (not quite veteran ref’s) and a butt-load of entitled-feeling young ref’s that feel they need to establish their ego’s in order to get the players respect, but they got it all wrong. Frasier would always talk to the players, Stewart,McCreary… what I’d do to have a game called by VanMassenhoven, and he was a Jerk (yeah, capital J). The new breed of referee’s suck big time. From Danny Jackson on up the line!!! CRAP
Bodoe Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
@Cynic, Case in point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B53W-7tk4Uw&playnext=1&list=PL347E3FB8B0CD279A
The infamous Sean Avery Dive.
luc20rules Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
@Cynic, Actually I was very upset that at least 2 refs weren’t made stars of the game as they clearly were the determining factor. Clearly the refs are an under appreciated group to not be recognized when they have such a strong influence in the outcome of a game.
jayhay Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
@Cynic, as long as he’s acting a fool, he wont get the benefit of the refs. plain and simple.
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well i’m glad he’s at least cognizant of his actions, as a whole. he does do it too much, the yelling and barking, whether its to the refs or to other players. this is when i wish he had more of a demenor of a Scudari, or at least of Johnson. at least knowing that he’s aware makes me feel better that eventually, thru maturity, that it will come, somewhat.
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Next game is a must win. We need to go at least 10-7-0 to finnish out the season, so focus on the ones you can control.
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Second period all over you? What about the first being out shot something like 3 to 1? It was a strong PK that kept the Kings in the game tonight, otherwise it seemed to be a run from end to end.
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“I don’t see how you can call a dive and call a penalty at the same time”
Pretty simple – one guy takes a penalty, the other guy embellishes his reaction.
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Cynic Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
@simonsez, Wait. If it’s a penalty already, what the heck does it matter what the reaction is? It’s a penalty.
Now if there is NO penalty call and there is a reaction…..
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3Bcrown Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
@Cynic, the reaction is a penalty. trying to influence the ref. this is hockey not soccer.
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Cynic Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
@3Bcrown, Read my rant above. If you get an elbow to the face, are you going to grab it and fall down? Most likely, yes. Why not give the player in that situation the benefit of the doubt if the FIRST call you are making is an actual penalty, REGARDLESS of the reaction.
The ref made the diving call MUCH LATER than he made the initial penalty call. Tells me the ref had time to think about it before he made that diving call. That is a blatant misuse of the rule for diving.
64.1 Diving / Embellishment – Any player who blatantly dives, embellishes a fall or a reaction, or who feigns an injury shall be penalized with a minor penalty under this rule.
Doughty just got an elbow to the face. The ref saw it because he called a penalty. Remember, this is the same guy Doughty chirped at just 2 minutes earlier about a non-call that cost his team a goal. Where’s the benefit of the doubt here? Does Drew have a history of embellishment? NO. Does he have a motive? Well, ALL players have a motive to draw penalties. Was there obvious contact where there could be an injury? YES.
Seems like professional sour grapes to me. This all changes if the ref is NOT making the penalty call for the elbow. To have both looks ridiculous.
All this is just my opinion though, as heated as it is right now.
Stackhouse Reply:
March 6th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Great arguments, Cynic. I wish the league would consider these points and get the officials to call these situations the way I believe the spirit of he rule intends.
at least he knows he shouldn’t whine so much.
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What about that idiot canuck in the boarding call against Poni. But OMG he touched his head. Not that the canuck jerk let his body fly into the boards when he felt the least bit of pressure…then gets up swinging 1.5 seconds later? C’mon. They all embellish. We didnt get the calls cuz were an American team. The Canucks have complained for years that there is an NHL conspiracy against Canadian teams because of Bettman…Now they’re exacting their revenge on us in the form of missed calls against American teams by Canadian refs. Theory #420
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Loskingpride Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
@TiredOfIt, Theory #doesn’tmatter The NHL wants the yotes to have an easy road to the Cup so they get a punch of money. Plain and Simple.
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threepwood Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
@Loskingpride,
terrible calls today, but that is a ridiculous theory.
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Loskingpride Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
@threepwood, -insert sarcasm here-
threepwood Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
@threepwood,
It’s probably the 5th time I’ve seen the Phoenix theory…it’s taking on a life of its own.
Elbow in the face, and DD goes down?
Wow DD, you should of stayed on your feet there.
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The thing with a call like this is that often those types of calls will go uncalled unless there is some embellishment. I can guarantee that the ‘Nuck doesn’t get the rough if Doughty doesn’t embellish. I can’t remember the last time (Jagr kills Avery?) that a dive was called without a penalty on the offending team. Refs seem to call the initial (usually marginal) call just so they can hand out the dive. If the refs were more consistent, you wouldn’t get the dives (see non-interference call on Quick).
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Drew has been watching Kobe Bryant too much with his bitching….calls go both ways Drew. I’m sure you’ve pushed guys in the back that don’t result in penalties. Take it like a man!! At least he’s able to take step back and realize he needs to calm down.
The Kings played poorly today, bottom line. They can’t pass worth sh**, and absolutely NO CREATIVITY on the PP. Everything is from the perimeter/outside…when will they learn that you have to take it to the net? Feels like all of our goals are either deflections or trashy poke ins off of rebounds.
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Why not call the dive against the Canucks too! Burrows did at least once, and so did one of the Sedin twins.
Bottom line, the refs were pissed with Doughty because he got in their faces.
I wish that the refs would discuss things a little more. In baseball and football they at least get together and discuss close calls. It rarely happens in Hockey.
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neil Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
@rabidhockeyfan, some are better actors then others….
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Buster Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
@neil,
These refs should get the worst supporting actress Razzie for their performance (because they SURE didn’t call it like MEN).
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Besides the PP and the refs and poor passing
something glaringly missing is speed on this team..
We just don’t have that. Next year looks promising in that respect.
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number 6 Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
@Slim,
I wish you wouldn’t bring that up again…. PLEASE!! I’ve been saying that for almost two years now. That’s STILL imo one of the reasons they struggle against teams like the Blackhawks that do have a lot of speed. It’s also an influence on the PP because if you have speed you use it on the PP… although their scheme of standing around like statues doesn’t help matters either.
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Slim Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
@number 6, I’m confused you agree but don’t bring it up?
You and I {as well as all hockey media] have mentioned this..
Something must be addressed. Penner sure isn’t the answer
on this. altho I’m pleased we attained him..
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number 6 Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
@Slim,
No Slim. I was being a tiny bit sarcastic is all. Sorry for confusion. Don’t know how long you’ve been on the blog, but it’s like my pet peeve about the team and has been for so long. So seeing your comments just sort of drove it home …….. again.
Because to be totally honest, not just this year but next year and the year after, if they really want to win the Cup I think it’s a matter that needs to be addressed. Even though it’s true that in the playoffs you get the dirty goals, if you have more speed (i.e. quickness) there is more chance that you’ll get into those tiny little openings that may create a shot that while not a goal, gives a rebound or a deflection which does create a goal.
Also, less chance of being beaten by speed on the defensive end (wrt forwards coming back and helping out the slower dmen like Greener).
things we can’t control:
sedin pushing doughty into quick
whats his face “getting hurt along the boards” then instantly jumping up and bunching poni in the face
this whole “penalty and embellishment” crap. like said before, the ref was angry at doughty, any other player, there would be no diving called
things we CAN control:
god awful power play
vancouver 36 shots, kings 22
vancouver 35 faceoffs, kings 22
i think this game will hopefully light a fire under everyones asses
quick played absolutely fantastic tonight.
i feel sorry for the next team.
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jmsalsa Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
@jp,
that’s a pretty good balanced reaction. thanks for posting the faceoff numbers – i was at the game and it felt like we lost a LOT more then that.
i also encouraged by this 1st line right now. there were a couple of plays that could have been beautiful goals – they just gotta figure each other out. i sure hope TM leaves ‘em together for a few.
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I think the reason for the dive call on Doughty was to suggest that he was diving on the Sedin hit that led to the go-ahead goal and that is why no call was made there
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Drew you have had 3 horrible games in a row…stop looking for excuses and play hockey. The interference call should have been called but you can’t hope for the ref’s to bail you out. You turned your back on one of the chipmonk twins and he beat you…you also tuened the puck over 3 times on the power play…Lets find the DD from last year and put him on the ice. We were out shot and that doesn’t happen in our building…Not enough shots on net and the power play has no movement and the passing on the PP is horrible!
Lets hope for a better showing.
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We didn’t play as good as we could or should have, but at the same time that was probably the worst officiated game I have ever been to! That was clearly not a dive on Doughty, which should have given us a 2 man advantage for a full 2 minutes at a critical point in the game and then on the game winning goal Quick is interfered with and so is Doughty, there SHOULD have been 2 penalties on that play as well. I hope the refs and league are proud of themselves for completely screwing us over at a critical point in the season where we needed two points. Absolutely horrible!
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Big Kings faqn, but, DD dove like a Mexican soccer player…they got the call right
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fsd1 Reply:
March 6th, 2011 at 9:57 am
@JacquesQ, no, wou are wrong, mexican soccer players dive when the DONT get an elbow to the face, just when they feel the breeze blow. They did not get the call right no matter what you say.
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Those refs bet on the game needed the -1.5 rigged
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