All was normal at practice today, with only one change, one that actually took place during yesterday’s game. Alexei Ponikarovsky skates on the third line, with Michal Handzus and Justin Williams, while Trevor Lewis centers Kyle Clifford and Kevin Westgarth. Terry Murray had solid praise for Ponikarovsky’s recent effort. Jonathan Quick will start in goal tomorrow night against Detroit. More notes and quotes to come…
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Go Kings! I’ll try and stay away from the all trade rumors and speculation
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HockeyNerd Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
@KH, Good luck with that one!
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KH Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
@HockeyNerd, Haha it seems impossible at this point
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BringBackTheShieldJersey Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
@KH, but you just brought them up!
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Wow, this sucks big time hitting my browser’s refresh button every 30 seconds, waiting to hear what we got in THE BIG DEAL. IDK if DL’s just not gonna do it or I need a life.
Probably both.
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Ravens Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
@HockeyNerd, I’m right there with you…..my poor wife!!!
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lafan13 Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
@HockeyNerd, ya my refresh button is broken…
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capt jam Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
@HockeyNerd,
I heard Deano is out on the links today, so I think you can resume your life, LOL.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
@capt jam, If my life includes playing in Street Hockey Reunion games, I think I’ll just keep hitting the refresh button. Less painful.
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I like Cliffy on the 4th line…That is where he should be…
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Harty Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
@neil, at least your consistent Neil, you have said this at least 4 or 5 times in the last two months………
Perhaps Neil you would also like him traded since your down on him so much??
He’s a 2nd or 3rd line guy, com’on
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neil Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
@Harty, Not down on him…just dont value him as much as others….That is for now….In the future….yes i do see a 2nd or third liner…..I also think the Kings are better when their 4th line can play in the third period…
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Harty Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
@neil, that I agree with Neil in the 4th line playing a bigger role on the team, however Westy is not needed against Detroit, they haven’t fought since ’52.
lets get the 4th line with speed (Richie, Lewis, clifford)
KC23 Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
@Harty, 3rd line guy imho. Definately not a 2nd line guy as of yet, but perhaps with time.
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Good move by TM. Poni brings more offence than Clifford. Against Detroit we would need more productions and that line can put some points…
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SplattDaddy Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
@Mike.V., Poni…seems to be getting his “Kings legs”…fingers crossed. Been kinda holding out on this kid.
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call up Moller – Westgarth is absolutely useless against Detroit.
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gene Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
@Dave, Agree 100%. There is absolutely no reason to have KW in the line up againest the Wings. Let Harold play forth line. This doesnt make since. Then half the time I never understand what TM is doing anyway.
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jayhay Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
@Dave, i would at least expect Moller to be asigned to Ontario or just have him fly to SoCal on a phantom flight just to have him here for whatever goes down today/tomorrow. i do not see Westgarth in the line up tomorrow. i’m not sure if its for the best to just plug OM in w/o practise, but he’s been around enough, its a better play vs DET than Westy. MAN is finishing their game right now. would be surprised if OM not here in SoCal by tonight.
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Michael J. Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
@Dave, He did score a big goal against Detroit last time.
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Anyone think that TM should play Harrold over Westgarth as a 7th D/FW against Det?
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Token Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
@friarking, Yes, big time.
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seems a good fellow Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
@friarking,
Maybe against the Wings but that fourth line has played really, really well the last couple of games and has created several offensive chances. But against the Wings, Restart will probably be exposed defensively to the fullest extent.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
@friarking, against Detroit, Dallas, St. Louis, Edmonton, and everyone else!
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Istillbelieve Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
@friarking, Not really, no matter what that line won’t play a ton when it’s not back to back, and that line had a ton of chances yesterday and the physical play. Detroit is skilled, but has big bodies too.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
@friarking, And once the playoffs start the closest KW will get to the ice is if he wants to sell souvenirs.
And yet nearly every team has somebody who has over 150 penalty minutes and plays all of 4 minutes a game.
I have followed hockey for over 30 years but there are still some things I just don’t get…..
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408kingsfan Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:46 pm
@HockeyNerd, Gotta have a goon
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HockeyNerd Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
@408kingsfan, Then why O why please tell me that Detroit doesn’t have one and wins a cup, Carolina’s coach orders “no fighting” and wins a cup, and Parros is so important to the quacks that during the playoffs he plays, let’s check that, ZERO games?
When everything is on the line, suddenly there’s no room for an enforcer.
And yet when I express the opinion that fighting has no place in Hockey, I get a 5000 word lecture that without (insert your team’s enforcer here) the cheap shots would be intolerable, and I do not understand the finer points of the game.
I just don’t get it…..
vicarious Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
@HockeyNerd, It’s just an arms race and the coaches looking out for their players. When the other team dresses a large fighter who looks for fights, you either dress one of your own or watch one of your players get beat up by someone 4-5 inches taller and 30-50lbs of muscle heavier. Just like when one country builds up its military….
Anyone remember Warren Rychal? That guy has some serious guts but–back in the day he was the Kings “enforcer” at maybe 180-190 lbs– I used to dread it when he took one for the team by fighting some huge dude. He had some serious guts because he repeatedly fought (and lost sometimes badly) against guys who were mean and way bigger then him. And Rychal kept at it, showing courage. At Robaitaille’s on ice party, Rychal was one of the guys Luke/the King’s brought back to honor. I’m sure Rychal’s teammates appreciated his efforts; I hope Rychal got well paid because he paid in blood for whatever it was. That year the Kings needed some guy like Westgarth or Ivanans.
Hopefully TM dresses some better skilled player against Detroit. They play without an enforcer and do just fine. Clifford can handle any scraps, if the RW’s are dumb enough to start one.
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mcsorleyfan Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
@friarking, everyone, most likely; makes no difference. TM will play Westy whether we like it or not…
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KC23 Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
@friarking, I took a critical look at Saturday’s game and Westgarth actually played a lot better offensively. Creating traffic in front and getting the puck in front. That being said Detroit is so darn quick I’d like to see some speed instead of brawn.
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Poni has been playing a real strong game of late….hopefully he can chip in with a few goals down the line but I love the way he is hitting and love his defensive play!
Regarding trade rumors….do we really need to make a move? We have a top 3 defense in the league! Our problem is the PP which if turns around will net us another .5 goals per game. It has under performed all year and is the most predictable PP in the league. We have 2 solid PP units with the personnel in place. We don’t need to over pay for Hemsky, Penner or Richards. All of which would cost us the likes of Schenn or Simmonds or Clifford or, god forbid, all of them. I might be in a very small minority that thinks we should stand pat unless we can get a Kovalev type player for the same price the Penguins did.
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Istillbelieve Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
@seems a good fellow, Absolutely. We will have to over pay for over hyped. It’s not that adding a piece won’t help, but none of the big 3 will help enough to make a difference. I’d rather take another shot on a player like sturm.
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friarking Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
@seems a good fellow, What about Cheechoo??? That’s another low risk for reward senario.
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Jamer Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
@friarking, Tell me you are just kidding……….He’s fresh out of rehab…
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friarkind Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
@Jamer, ha, I didn’t know that. I was just throwing it out there since he’s a product of DL and would be super cheap. In no way was I serious about wanting him or insisting that the Kings should get him.
Dave Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
@seems a good fellow, i’d be happy with Arnott and/or Booth. shouldn’t have to give up too much for either, especially Arnott.
the asking prices, especially from Edmonton, are ridiculous.
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outsider Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
@Dave, Booth is a reasonable choice, but I would still like to see Richards playing with Kopi…
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Dave Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
@outsider, the problem with Richards is the asking price will be too high unless he’s willing to sign an extension here.
as much as i like this team it’s still not a Cup Contender with Richards for this year. and i think the cost of a 20 game rental will be much more in the long run than the benefits.
TA Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
@outsider, I agree, I would like to see Richards play next to Kopi. I just don’t want to trade Schenn. Booth is good and maybe cheaper. But how would this line look?
Richards-Kopi-Williams
HockeyNerd Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
@seems a good fellow, We don’t NEED to make a move (1 regulation loss in the last 15 after all) but if we can add a forward or 2 that actually CAN score goals at the cost of a couple of prospects (NOT Schenn) it would help a lot.
The problem with the PP is NOT entirely the coaching. It BADLY needs someone who can make creative plays or has a strong, accurate shot or both.
BTW DL probably didn’t pick up Kovalev because the guy never skates inside his own blue line….
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Stop the Puck Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
@seems a good fellow,
i agree that we dont need to make a move, but this team as it is will not contend for a cup. im not saying this means we need to overpay to land a big name, but when push comes to shove we cannot beat elite teams on a regular basis.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
@Stop the Puck, Actually we HAVE been beating elite teams on a regular basis.
With JQ in Goal, the defensemen that we have and EVERY forward backchecking on any given night (or yes, series) there is a fairly decent chance we will give up fewer goals than our pathetic offense scores.
We probably are a year or 2 away still but I strongly object to your use of the word “cannot”…..
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TA Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
@HockeyNerd, I agree as well, we have done well against Van,Det, and we just beat the Flyers on the road. Our strong defense and Solid goaltending we should be in most games.
If we could just improve that miserable PP and add a LW to the top line without giving up to much and I feel that we have a shot.
TA Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
@Stop the Puck, Just asking if we were to add Richards what are we missing from being a contender for the cup besides a effective PP?
With our Strong defensive team and good goaltending that we got what are missing with these lines?
Richards-Kopi-Williams
Smyth-Stoll-Brown
Poni-Zues-Simmonds
Clifford-Lewis-Richie
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outsider Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
@TA, Nice!!!
CB14 Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
@TA, Nothing!!! Just depends on what we would have to give up to get him.
HockeyNerd Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
@TA, Unfortunately what would be missing is DD or Simmonds or 15 years of Schenn…..
Unless you’re talking about Hemsky instead, then you can substitute AND for OR.
Wish Richards would come for free, but he doesn’t……
Shotongoal Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
@seems a good fellow, they need a goal scorer going into the playoffs if they are to have an opportunity to advance. Should they overpay? No! But I don’t thing Simmonds for a proven scorer is overpaying. I like Wayne but there is just a pervailing overlike for him by some on this blog. I understand his hustle, fan type favorite player thing, but I want this “team” to have its best chance to compete for a Cup, this yearn and years to follow. I would not trade Clifford unless it was in a huge package, which I don’t think is going to happen, but yes, I could see Simmonds going for a proven scorer and again, I would be ok with that. I like this teams chemistry and if they could add a goal scorer without giving up a roster player or a top 5 team prospect then great! But that’s probably not going to happen, so Simmonds makes the most sense to go. Sorry just my opinion.
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HockeyNerd Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
@Shotongoal, I agree. Simmonds has a lot of upside, but he is just forward #10 who backchecks a lot and doesn’t belong on a second line, let alone a first.
For a Penner, that seems to be a reasonable price.
Unfortunately, Edmonton and apparently every other team is not offering a reasonable price….
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Seems A Good Fellow Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
@Shotongoal,
I’m not saying this team couldn’t use the help on the goal scoring front. And out of the 3 players I mentioned, which I figure are the 3 players that are on Edmonton and Dallas’ radar, I would feel the most comfortable trading Simmonds. But Simmonds alone will not get us Hemsky or Penner. And if the asking price from the Rangers for Richards is what I hear (I’ll try and find the link), Dubinsky, Marc Staal and D. Stepan, we’d have to anti up the likes of Schenn, Simmonds/Clifford and maybe a JJ. Obviously there is no way in Hell we do that deal.
To me Booth makes the most sense if we can get him for our 1st rounder and a lesser prospect.
But for anyone to say we cannot win The Cup this year, with this team we have RIGHT NOW, is insane. Against the best team in each division (San Jose, Vancouver, Detroit, Philly, Boston and Washington/Tampa), we are 11-3! This team can beat anyone, home or away, in a 7 game series with the defense alone.
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DesertKing Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
@Seems A Good Fellow,
We actually play better and have more success against the better teams. We play up and down based upo our opponent.
Shotongoal Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
@Seems A Good Fellow, I’m sorry but the regular season is not the playoffs and its my belief that the Kings can beat any team in the regular season, they have, but in the playoffs, I don’t think so. This team right now is no better than last years team. Yes, Quick will probably be stronger going into these playoffs, but they are no deeper, not more talented, only a year more experienced. Listen, I really like this team. Not many teams can match their D, goasltending and PK. But come playoff time they are going to be exposed without more scoring help, both 5 on 5 and obviously on the PP.
I would be more than happy if they grabbed a Hejduk, Elias, even Zherdev if it only costs them a late round pick or a lower type prospect, but I don’t know if that will happen. And I DO NOT want them to mortgage the present or the future unless its for Parise or Nash, or any other superstar. And no, I don’t think that’s going to happen either.
Bkrs-Bud Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
@seems a good fellow, At this point there is no need to add by subtraction, We could use another forward but not at the current asking price.Why pay a huge price For Richards when you can sign him july1,if he wants to play for the kings.And it seems to me The oilers are trying to rip us off.No trade is better than a trade in that case.
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How about Van Reimsdyk.
Just saw he was sent down.
Young, big, left wing.
We have too many centers and too many D.
You just can’t play them all.
I’d much rather see us get a young guy with future potential than a cog that will be short term.
As we saw with Halpern and Modin, these guys seemed to add depth, but didn’t add much and were gone in the summer.
We don’t fit well with any of the names so far mentioned – Hemsky, Richards, Penner – except maybe Booth, but his brain has been rattled and I really don’t have too much familiarity with him.
Van R, or Kulemin would seem to me to be better fits here with the leadership we have.
What would they fetch their teams in return? I don’t know, but Voynov, Hickey, Jones, Moller, and even Lokti are maybe never going to fit as long as TM is here.
Unfortunately for us, our defensive system lowers our players numbers and that hurts their trade value – guys like Richardson, Poni, Lewis, and Simmonds would probably have bigger numbers in a different system. Also, Harrold.
Harrold would be more attractive in trade talks if he were ever played consistently. He’d have the potential to fetch a significant rental because offensive defensemen are hard to come by in this era.
One further idea. Would trading Schenn for a guy like Brent Burns be a horrible idea?
We have a lot of redundancy at center and acquiring a Burns would make our Blue-Line probably the best in the NHL for ages to come. Burns would also help our Kompon-impaired PP.
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some think Ales Hemsky is God! this video seems to bear witness….several years old though, I wonder if he’s still really thaty good NOW….@ 7:00 is an incredible goal v. Pens, & a Dan Cloutier feature
[not!]….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sh6ALwzchY
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Real 7 Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
@Real 7, what would they want for God? how about Kopitar & Doughty, along with Heidi Androl….
we’ll also need Taylor Hall, two 1st round draft choices….and throw in that blond in the front row…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDbEX666G3Y
of course I’m just kidding….
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On a different note: I know I am not the only one out there watching other games/scores that affect our standings. Blue Jackets just got robbed by the peeps in Toronto. So it’s sad to see that, but good to know its not just us….Sad!
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KingsFanFTW Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:46 pm
@RQ@315, LOL yea it is
Hope we win tomorrow
Go kings Go
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Scot Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
@RQ@315,
I saw that too. Nashville’s player clearly toe-dragged the puck out of the net, it looked like by 2 puck lengths.
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justlu Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
@Scot, yeah but there was no clear view of the puck actually over the line. And this points to a larger problem with replay. Replay has it’s hands tied by the amount or lack thereof of video evidence. This is where the NHL seems like a 2nd rate league in that the replay is not fair and equal in every single game. There is only one TV crew covering this game today so the NHL has only a few angles to see the play. Yet when the Kings play Detroit tomorrow there will be an over abundance of cameras and therefore more angles to review replays. How can this be fair ? I think the NHL needs to mandate that there are an equal and fair amount of cameras to review plays in every and all situations not just the games that are highly televised.
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looks like no trade
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Scot Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
@KingsFanFTW,
It could be a good thing.. Turn that frown.. upside down!
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Real 7 Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
@KingsFanFTW, “it ain’t over ’til it’s over” — Yogi Berra
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outsider Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
@KingsFanFTW, FLA game should finish first…
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HockeyNerd Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
@KingsFanFTW, Also looks like DL is going to fight back instead of getting mugged
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Bkrs-Bud Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
@HockeyNerd, Sure hope so.
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R.I.P. Duke.
Vin Scully, at his best: “Although it’s ironic to say, we have lost a giant.”
-Priceless. Vin, you are a giant act.
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Harty Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
@Scot, Vin Scully is awesome and a legend….living in Ontario Canada I grew up listen to Vin on radio from Dodger Stadium…..and Duke Snider was also a great announcer and player
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I badly want to see Hemsky or Penner or Richards in a Kings uniform.
But apparently the price these teams are asking for that is ridiculous.
Kudos to all of you for this one time that apparently you are starting to understand that DL is NOT a (fill in the blank with negative word), he just does not want to be robbed.
As every other Kings GM before him has been.
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Cristobal Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
@HockeyNerd,
Explain how Taylor got robbed.
I’d say boyle for a 3rd rounder was getting robbed, considering Boyle could easily be our 1st line center (and will be a captain) if we didn’t have Kopi.
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Bkrs-Bud Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
@HockeyNerd, I have been a D.L.supporter all along but i cant help getting nervous around the trade deadline.We cant afford a bad trade.
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Scot Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
@Bkrs-Bud,
I’m nervous as well.
Hopefully this helps.. We know DL is capable of making a big trade, with a good outcome.
While with San Jose, DL acquired Joe Thornton for Marco Sturm, Brad Stuart, and Wayne Primeau. He gave up some assets, but he still won that trade.
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CB14 Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
@Scot, DL was not with San Jose when they traded for Joe Thornton. He was fired in 2003, San Jose acquired Thornton in 2005.
Bkrs-Bud Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
@Scot, I will be very happy when the deadline passes,with no damage.
Scot Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
@Scot,
Whoooooooops!
Thank you for clarifying that.
Maybe DL doesn’t have the ability for a big trade afterall? Haha, kidding.
I still believe in him.
I agree but at least give us an ARNOTT or a Booth or a Macarthur to make the playoff run more successful
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HockeyNerd Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
@Hip-Check, Nobody is going to GIVE US anybody.
Get it?
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Hip-Check Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
@HockeyNerd, That sounded rude….Im extremely intelligent where did I say give us something for nothing…
I am asking DL to go get us someone of course we will give up a prospect or two depending on who.
Im saying dont stand pat . Our cupboard is full of prospects we will never use on defense and we have an extra goal tender—not Bernier either.
Some here are so quick to attackkkkkk.
I meant for DL to get busy ans give us something to help..of course it has a cost sheessh
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HockeyNerd Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
@Hip-Check, Good points. Tell The Edmonton Oilers, not me……..
HockeyNerd Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
@Hip-Check, BTW, It was not my intention to be rude. But what you do have to understand is DL is NOT the problem as far as getting this done.
friarkind Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
@Hip-Check, There’s always Modin. He seems to come off IR right before the trade deadline. lol
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Hey ST how about:
You give us Hall, Hemsky, and Penner.
We’ll give you AM.
What? That’s not fair?
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Bkrs-Bud Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
@HockeyNerd, You forgot their next 3 number 1 picks also.
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I live on the east coast but don’t even bother watching the Devils games very often. After one period ….. It’s Zero Zero. Wow! Now That’s a surprise!! Lemaire knows how to get them to win, but what might happen if the neutral zone trap didn’t exist?
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Pulling the trigger is getting harder by the minute. If we trade Simmonds, we trade away a fan favorite, one bad ass of a player, Locker room buddie, and a great King. This kid has come along way in a short time. He has great upside and additude that we can’t find everyday.
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KC23 Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
@kinginsaltlake, And we trade DD room mate. Don’t think that is going to happen, but if it does it’ll surely be for a big name player.
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@HockeyNerd, All I do is turn “Left”
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@HockeyNerd, lol.
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I see some people saying we don’t need another 20 goal scorer because we have enough of them already, but Richardson who is playing LW1 has 6 goals. There is definately a need for more production there. I like Richie but on the 4th line. If we could pick up a LW with some speed to play with Kopi it would be huge. Doesn’t have to be a big impact player to make a big impact.
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johnny Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
@Osaka, don’t worry soon (Monday 3:01PM) DL will wake up from his nap, and will say oh well what did you expect I am doing this the last 3 years. But look at the bright side we have the best left winger over 600 goals, he will be in the line up soon.
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thats a real good #3 line.. we actually do have nice depth
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