Well, it will be interesting to see how the league reacts to last night’s Kings-Coyotes game, and the aftermath. Having seen the Martin Hanzal at least a dozen times now, I’m still trying — objectively — to figure out how this is a good goal, under the established rules for hitting a puck with a high stick. For those who haven’t seen the play, or want to see it a few more times, here it is. My story on the incident, centered around the reactions of Dean Lombardi and Terry Murray, is also linked.
Lombardi and Murray publicly question goal call
After the game, Hanzal told The Associated Press, “It was really close. I was surprised they called it a goal. I thought it was going to be a high stick, but it is what it is and I’ll take whatever I can get. I had exactly the same thing called in Colorado before Christmas, but they didn’t count it.”
Hust can’t catch a break…
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ADub87 Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 8:05 am
@ADub87, *Just
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Rich, there a great picture on this website for Hanzal’s goal that clearly shows the puck was too high:
http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/21/kings-gm-dean-lombardi-has-a-good-reason-to-complain/
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Goring 19 Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 8:40 am
@AK47, wow, unbelievable. Completely clear pic showing the stick/puck oh, what, nearly 2 feet above the crossbar? I want to hear the comments from the so-called “war room” on this picture.
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It obviously should have been disallowed. It should have been waved off on the ice. Lombardi thinks Toronto is out to get him, that’s great. I see that really helping.
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Stuart Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:09 am
@Jason4Kings, I’ve been saying it for years, the Kings get no respect from the league.
My only thought on why it was allowed was that it hit MG glove after it was hit with the high stick. Would that nullify the high stick and make it a good goal according to the good book?
Rich – do you know how the rule reads?
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Jason4Kings Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:12 am
@Stuart,
I think Greener missed it.
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Stuart Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:19 am
@Jason4Kings, No, he definitely got a piece of it with his glove. It changed direction after hitting the stick… I’m just saying
Plus it looks like further down the thread, this was addressed…
oh well.
What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:31 am
@Stuart, It wouldn’t have mattered, according to Jim Fox.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:36 am
@Stuart, Green never touched it, and if he had, it doesn’t matter. Once the puck is hit with the high stick, the play is dead, if the puck ends up in the net.
If Greener CONTROLLED the puck, then yes, it could have counted, but he never even touched it.
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Stuart Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:39 am
@mrbrett7, I’m telling you it did deflect off of MG. But either way it doesn’t matter. If someone would like to say it didn’t touch him then to each their own.
I’m tired of losing.
Sancho Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:51 am
@Stuart, Please tell me what the Kings have actually done to deserve respect?
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Stuart Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 11:30 am
@Sancho, The Kings have been in the league since ’67. Granted no Stanley’s like some other teams that have been in the league for less amount of time, but still they’ve had HOF’ers play in the org, have beaten some good teams in their playoff history, made a run at the cup in ’93, established hockey on the west coast…
If you’re looking for an answer as to what they’ve done this year, there isn’t one. Respect in this league is something you build up over the course of many years. There’s different ways to earn it, and the kings should have earned some, evern a tiny bit, by now.
the dude from the southeast Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 12:51 pm
@Stuart, nope the high stick would stand
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D B COOPER Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 1:15 pm
@Stuart, a rule violation, stops the play from continuing. in all sports. hi-stick happens, anything subsquent is nolified.
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Video review in the NHL is a joke. It’s not like they can’t afford to place a few cameras.
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LV is the way Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:34 am
@BMSTANG, Well said. Remember one thing, the X factor in reviews regarding Coyotes games. That X Factor is The NHL. Oh they own the Phoenix Coyotes.. Strange i would say..
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I missed last nights game but saw a few replays of the “goal” and now reading this all I can say is, WOW… Didn’t know that about Mr. Mike Murphy… I really hope something is being done about this. Or at least getting attention of the higher ups in the league. This is ridiculous!
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was a bad call and the league will no do a damn thing, time to move on life sucks…
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Ridiculous. I thought the fans were going to start littering the ice when they called it a good goal. Reminded me of a game against the Avs during the Andy Murray era when people just started throwing garbage onto the ice because the refs were absolutely screwing the Kings in every way possible. Now this.
First, a good goal is disallowed in Ottawa. Then an obvious non-goal is allowed to stand. Aren’t these things supposed to even out over the course of a season? Take heart, Kings fans! At this rate, karma owes us big time. We’ll end up winning 20 in a row to squeak into the playoffs and then win the Cup!
GO KINGS!
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 8:47 am
@Gabby, At this point they’d do well to squeak into the playoffs, period. They’re going to have to get a lot of poise to do something like win the cup.
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kennynakamoto Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 8:58 am
@Gabby, i had a drink in my hand and wanted to throw it on the ice!!! but i was at the very top and would have thrown it on a fan lol
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mrbrett7 Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:37 am
@Gabby, hahaha…I was at that game.
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It’s so stupid that you can get fined for voicing an opinion or concern about errors regarding the league! This league is run by an organized crime syndicate. Don’t say anything or you’re gonna get shot and have your body dumped into the east river. Smile as you look down the barrel DL!
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:35 am
@SBkingsfan, Normally, I’d agree, but in this case, DL went and called it personal. They won’t let that go unless the call was so embarrassing they want everyone to forget it.
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BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 10:04 am
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?,
1): The call was so embarrassing they want everyone to forget it;
2): They are going to THROW THE BOOK at DL/TM.
They will attack, attack and attack what was said, and make that the point. John Shannon has already gone on NHL Home Ice and thrown the entire Kings organization underneath the bus.
Max fine/max suspension…
Mike Murphy has just SO MUCH INTEGRITY…
Dean Lombardi has NO INTEGRITY.
John Shannon:
Really disappointed in Dean/not Mike’s fault that his team has 8 losses in 10 games, he should look inside the Kings’ room. The League is the one that has grown the game, the fine should be substantial, the Commissioner should publically say “Shame On You, Dean Lombardi!” He even says it would be OK if the Kings get 93 points and DL/TM are fired if they don’t make the playoffs.
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You knew it was a bad goal right away because Hanzel didn’t even celebrate after it went in.
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Being a Kings fan is like always being 50 cents short. It’s like, damn!…….. short again.
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There were a lot of comments based on how tall the players are and how low the net is, and the how high blade of the stick (which the puck did not apparently strike) was. Since players were in odd positions, I didn’t find any of that compelling.
What I did find compelling (other than the fact that the puck appeared to have been hit when it was at least a foot above the crossbar, from a side view) is that the arc of Hanzal’s stick came downward after hitting the puck (which also should not be in dispute as the puck’s angular momentum clearly changed), and his stick remained above of the crossbar on the follow-through. If you’re the NHL officials, you can make all kinds of excuses about bad camera angles and “inconclusive” reviews, but from pure geometry, it’s clear that the puck itself was over the crossbar when the stick hit it.
Jim Fox was also quite observant that Hansal knew his stick was over the crossbar–he didn’t even celebrate in earnest because he “knew” it would be overturned.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 8:28 am
Oh, and props to Hansal for his integrity. It would have been easy to claim he “knew” it was a good goal and the officials verified it, but he didn’t think it was, and admitted it.
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pr0cess Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 8:29 am
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, so he thought WTF, its sad how much is going wrong right now…
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KingsFan in OC Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 8:33 am
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, From where I was sitting up in the 300′s, you could see the entire Yotes team, when the ref was coming back out for his announcement, they were skating away from center ice as though they all anticipated a face off from one of the dots. When he called it good, they all were visibly surprised and skated to center ice. I think if you asked every one on their team, they thought it would be disallowed.
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Regardless of the horrible call Kings still have to score goals to get a win.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 8:29 am
@RLane420, Yup, as disgusting as the call was, it was more disgusting that the Kings could not score, and melted down after the bad call, to boot. I found that embarrassing.
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Jason4Kings Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 8:33 am
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?,
Yes! More of this.
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Bob Bobson Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:09 am
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, This is absolutely correct. Complaining about the goal distracts from the Kings’ lack of scoring. They put themselves in that position in the first place.
“When the guy in Toronto making the decisions on the goals, in Ottawa and the one tonight, wanted the G.M.’s job in L.A. and was not happy about not getting it, you have to assume you are going to get those type of calls”
I wonder if there will be any blowback from that statement.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:38 am
@Bob Bobson, There’s got to be, because there always is, and he basically called it a conspiracy. If I’m in the league office, I publicly say “it was a tough call and we might have gotten it wrong, but we don’t appreciate the character assassination.” I hate the idea of fining people for what they way, but that’s the way these leagues handle it.
What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:52 am
That was supposed to be “fining people for what they say.”
The call was absolutly ridiculous. Anyone with a friggen sense of height and depth and logic could tell that the stick was abover the shoulder of a guy who is over 6 ft. However, Lombari is clearly cracking under the pressure with with the conspiracy theory. Even if Murphy was jealous, would he compromise his job by screwing the kings. IDK, you keep this stuff private. Lombardi is worried about losing his job just as the whole staff should be. Failing to land guys like Hossa, Gaborik, Kovalchuck, Hamhuis, the list goes on, is what he should be ticked about. His excuse is always that they are overpaid! well if all the stars are overpaid, maybe he is just low-balling and their salaries are normal. While Kovalchuck’s deal may have been ridiculous, and he’s certainly having a crappy year, I see a pattern of making excuses for signing weak free agents. Ponikarovski??? Murray and Lombardi are lucky that the big bosses at AEG are focused on the NFL and extending their empire and could care less about a small time tax write off that currently occupues the Staples Center (hint: it aint the lakers) !@!!
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Stuart Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:12 am
@Dustin, the almighty AEG is watching you right now!!! Have someone else start you car!
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Dustin Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:51 am
@Stuart, hahaha, right? i’ll tell my co-worker he can borrow my car for lunch
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It clearly was a bad call. That goal shoud have been disallowed. The end result though would be the same the kings would have lost 1-0 instead of 2-0 So we can sit here and cry about the goal that shouldn’t count or realize that our team is playing like they want to be in the lottery for the top pick again.
This team played well last night but lost and the bottom line at the end of the season is the win loss column not how well you did or didn’t play.
It is pathetic I am really statring to lose interest in watching these games lately
I will always be a Kings fan and have been since th 60′s it is getting too painful again!
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 8:30 am
@Kingsrule, It’s hard to say that. They wouldn’t have melted down in response to a no-goal call. Nevertheless, this team lacks offense, and it lacks poise.
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Who the hell cares at this point..Kings have mailed it in..
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Stuart Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:14 am
@Vahe, I was at the game last night and the only person I saw who looked like they mailed it in was DD. I saw him come down on a pinch(e) and I swear it was the laziest hockey move I’ve ever seen an NHLer make. He straightened up like most Dmen do when they’re scraping the glass to keep a clearing attempt in, except he was 2 feet off the glass, just a board floating towards their D who easily cleared it passed him… PATHETIC. Time to bench our primadonna!!!
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Vahe Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 10:39 am
@Stuart, I agree..Before the season I thought JJ was the primadona, but I have lost so much respect for Doughty this season
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Now I would like to see them publicly question their own abilities. How TM still has a job is beyond me.
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puck73 Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 8:50 am
@Dave, As much as I dislike Kompon, and Murray to a certain degree there is no way they have mailed it in. Believe me, if they had quit on this coach it would be real obvious as in they would be getting blown out. Right now, the Kings are doing just enough to lose.
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Dave Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:03 am
@puck73, I agree they haven’t tuned him out but I haven’t seen any real adjustments since they cooled off from the hot start. This team isn’t the most talented but definitely too talented to be playing as they are.
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Yea that was a horrible call, but we still didnt score any goals so it doesnt matter.
Maybe if that was the game deciding goal it would be a bigger deal but we cant even put the biscuit in the basket. We were close but that only matters in hors shoes and hand grenades not hockey.
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I haven’t seen a meltdown like that since Geoff Courtnall ran the Kings’ goaltender (Rob Stauber?) in the playoffs when the Kings were leading 3-0, and probably gave him a concussion, then O’Donnell pummeled him in response, but the little girl turtled and drew something like 7 minutes in extra penalties. IIRC, the Kings lost 4-3.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 8:42 am
Maybe it was Storr who got run.
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puck73 Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 8:52 am
tt@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, It was Storr, and it was pretty obvious that he was woozy and should have been taken out..that was Larry Robinsons fault.
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Jason4Kings Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:03 am
@puck73,
I still remember that stupid bell ringing for every goal in St. Louis. I hate that bell. That game has to haunt Storr to this day.
What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:10 am
@Jason4Kings, I was at that game. It was in the Forum. There was no bell.
Stuart Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:16 am
@puck73, yeah no bell. I think STL scored a couple on that 5 min major… I’ve hated the blues since then…
What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:22 am
@Stuart, Yeah, it’s interesting…before this game, the two teams I’ve always had “bad vibes” about have been St Louis and Phoenix. You could throw in Detroit and Montreal, but it seems everyone has the “bad vibes” with them, whereas the other two seem to be specific to the Kings.
Kingsrule Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:24 am
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, It was Jamie Storr I was there and i think Russ Courtnall was on our team at the time.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:30 am
@Kingsrule, Yes, it was Jamie Storr, and Russ Courtnall was on our team. Geoff Courtnall ran Storr.
Jason4Kings Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:52 am
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?,
Sorry I can’t reply directly under your ” no bell” comment. My response is…..oh my I’m getting old. I remember that bell I’m the series, mistakenly thought it was the same game. My mistake.
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Jason4Kings Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:54 am
@Jason4Kings,
in the series…..stupid iPhone.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 10:04 am
@Jason4Kings, LOLz, Me too. I had to check the team roster to figure out whether it was Geoff or Russ Courtnall–I’d remembered they were brothers, and the other brother was on the Kings.
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 11:08 am
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, That is why I hate the Blue’s so much,them and the Quaks.I can’t stand when the Kings play in the Blues barn,those stinking chimes after every Blues goal.And Courtnal turtleing in the corner,oh I’m pissed now.
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Hey look….Lombardi is showing some balls for once.
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Everyone saying that the Kings didn’t score, etc, is right of course. But our team’s struggles are a different issue. It’s like Murray said: what is the war room for? If they can’t get that right, why is there no accountability? If camera angles are so important, and even that angle is going to be discounted, why can’t they install other cameras to get a better view?
Lombardi’s statements are going to be investigated, but no one will investigate the war room’s colossal screw up. No one is allowed to criticize the NHL; just like with the Savard emails and the Burrows calls, they close ranks. No fault is ever admitted.
I don’t believe in conspiracies, but I do believe things need to be changed in the NHL. And it’s okay for fans to want that.
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Kings zero pucks in net.
This point is moot -might as well be counting dots on the ceiling.
Should be talking about how to fix this team.
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Jason4Kings Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:05 am
@JLVIV,
Yes!
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Kingsrule Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:27 am
@JLVIV, You are right, I wonder what the lines will look like on the next game? No consistency there either….
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@Hockeynut2939, You can be sure that the team Governor Tim Leiweike is screaming at Bettman this morning on the phone. And privately, though he would not say it publicly, Gary Bettman is not thrilled with Mike Murphy and his staff with this decision because it is out there for all the fans in the NHL to see and its embarrassing.
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i actually love DL making the comment about Murphy. that’s two times the Kings have been screwed from Toronto with no explanation. you have to say something – video review is a joke and nothing will change if nothing gets said.
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@Hockeynut2939, the goal would not have counted even if Greene touched it as the play would have been whistled dead as it was not controlled by the Kings.
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Maybe someone else remembers this but last year we got a favorable call from Canada and all the comments were about how Murphy helped us…..Too much focus on the call right now …..move on…
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:09 am
@neil, The focus is reasonable, but it should be on how it’s possible to get it so wrong, not on any conspiracy.
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Jason4Kings Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:09 am
@neil,
I know i’m getting old agreeing with all these kinds of comments, but you are so right. Complaining about this call and the Ottawa one is fine, during the game. The game is over and Toronto is not responsible for the shape this team is in right now. We don’t need Dean on the phone with the league all day, we need them to move forward.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:26 am
@Jason4Kings, Actually, something needs to be done about the problem.
There is no cam, like the overhead cam which was installed for goal-line calls, for the purpose of telling whether a stick strikes the puck over the crossbar. Such a cam could be stationed directly behind the crossbar, probably around where the guy who operates the goal light sits. Fortunately, this isn’t such a “big thing” to install these days. You just need a camera connected to a TiVo.
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@Hockeynut2939, According to Jim Fox, it would not have mattered if Green got his glove on it, as long as Hanzal’s stick did hit it. Green would have had to gain possession of the puck to have any impact on the call.
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You know, of course, that a lot of TV’s soap operas are shot here in LA, don’t you?
The Kings simply need to get a better Agent and more callbacks!
“Like sands through the hourglass, so are the LA Kings.”
(cue swelling organ music and shots of characters staring at each other threateningly)
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Wasn’t Murphy the main reason that the Sedin “kick in” did not count in last years playoff series? I thought he was the judge getting interviewed and scrutinized by all of the Van fans. If so, he hasn’t gone against LA every time…
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neil Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 10:03 am
@MMF, see my above post…….Iam a die hard Kings fan but you cant have it both ways..Last year we were happy about Murphy helping us…..Wish DL and TM showed that much emotion during the game and at the team….misdirected emotion….
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Why we need a new coach….Dump and chase with Zeus doing the chase(surprise..he lost the chase)……putting Loki on the PP and first line after having only one practice(0 6 PP) having Westy play…..anyone know our record with and without Westy in the line up..Rich??? I bet its better without….
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Dustin Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:56 am
@neil, the two-on-one goal was a direct result of Westgarth throwing a no-look backhander into the middle of the ice. With Clifford in the line-up, why is westgarth playing? Its not 1976 anymore, unless you play in Philly. I was a staunch supporter of terry Murray until now. With constant line changes, a team that is flat every game, and his lack of any emotion (he souldve gotten himself ejected from last nights game to fire the team up), i have lost my support. Can me kidnap Dan Bylesma and out him behind the bench??
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To all those who state that one bad call is no excuse for losing….
I think that statement applies to minors and penalties.
This was a momentum killer! All of that delay and to make that a goal.
It is no surprise that they scored a minute later. We were robbed!
If you go on the LAK facebook page and read the comments, you will see how many miss this point.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:28 am
@Ari, People “miss this point” because it’s invalid.
A team has to be able to score more than zero goals to win with half a game left. This wasn’t an overtime goal or even third period.
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Michael_DD8 Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:38 am
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?,
Kenneth… If that first one never went in, the second one wouldn’t have either( It was a direct fault of stoppage). In that sense, we prob would have eventually scored, instead of half our team being rattled.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:48 am
@Michael_DD8, That ignores the facts that the team didn’t start failing to score in the second half of last night’s game, and that a team should have enough poise to shake something like that off with half a game left. Right now the Kings look like the losers other fans say they are.
What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:50 am
@Michael_DD8, I also argue the idea that the second goal was “a direct fault of stoppage.” It was a fault of the Kings feeling sorry for themselves and not keeping their heads in the game.
Ari Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 12:44 pm
@Michael_DD8, 100% agree … yes, we couldn’t get on the score board … understood, but to me, that one goal going in equals to 2
@gene, I dont really see where Dallas has an abundance of nasty players, where Phoenix does. Nasty doesnt do it in the NHL anymore. You need some players with skill and speed, mixed with some big, physical players who can also skate. The Kings have enough of the latter, we don’t have enough of the former. We havent been losing because we havent been physical enough (do you think Phoenix out-hit the Kings last night? No.) The losses have been because we’re not talented enough up front. We have an A- goalie, an A- defensive corps (when everyone is healthy) and a C forward group. And, with poor coaching, somehow that adds up to a D+ powerplay, which is killing us.
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This may seem like a dumb question, but why do the peeps in Toronto have to rely on the telecast of the the teams involved in the game, knowing that they will not get the best angles to make an accurate call on high stick goals. Why don’t put a camera on the goal line (along the boards) of each side, getting and exact perspective of where the height of the cross bar is in relation to the players stick? Oh, because that would make sense! Nevermind, answered my own question!
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In case you’re not mad enough here’s the link to the Kings getting screwed in Ottawa earlier this year:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKN1HqkeZM0
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The look on the face of Greene says it all. Wow.
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So they would have lost 1 zip instead of 2 zip. It’s a shame that our goalies only give up two goals per game and still lose. All of the teams have learned the secret to beating the Kings: 1. Hard press both of our D and they will make a stupid play, and, 2. Let our guys shoot and they will either hit the goalie (if he’s there) or they will shoot wide (if the goalie is out of position). I wonder if Jamie’s PP strategy is “just pass it to anyone in the opposite colored jersey”.
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One thing I noticed last night and in quite a number of games recently is the play of D Doughty. I saw numerous occassions where he had the opportunity to hit the opposing player and barely touched them. He has lost a lot of grit and I think the concussion he got put the fear in his game where he is afraid to get hurt.
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Dustin Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:58 am
@Kingsrule, you must have not watched him level Hall and Upshall in the past week!
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VanKingsFan Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 10:27 am
@Dustin, Stole the words out of my mouth Dustin.
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Doesn’t matter ….won’t win many games when you don’t score a goal…..
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Why is Murray (and Kompon and Stevens) still here?
For 2 years we, the paying fans, have been screaming about the poor construction of Kompon’s power play strategy. It’s no wonder there was no goal in 6 PPs. I guess as long as it’s a sellout no changes will be made and we will be treated to the same crapolla until April. Lieweke, you were at the game. What sayeth you????
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puck73 Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 10:49 am
e@poe, Did you see the look on Leiweike and Robitailles faces where they were sitting right up against the glass…they did not look happy.
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Playing Mitchell on the wrong side on D until last night(where he was star #2) and putting the 4th line on after a 5 minute time out(during the video review)are major coaching mistakes..
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puck73 Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 10:50 am
@neil, Agreed. With a dominant player like Mitchell, he should aleays play where he is comfortable.
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Luke M Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 1:07 pm
@neil,
I couldn’t agree more about the line decisions. After a long delay for video review, then the extreme disappointment and frustration of a call that didn’t go your way, you do NOT put your fourth line on the ice. That was a moment in need of sustaining the momentum your team had going up to that point. Obviously it would be conjecture to say the second goal wouldn’t have been scored if one of the top two lines were on the ice, but the argument could be made that it would’ve been much less likely. How many times have the Kings been down by a goal and Westgarth is out there with 2 minutes left? There is a time and place for your third and fourth lines, and the Kings 3rd and 4th liners are getting way too much ice time. There are teams who can roll three lines evenly, the Kings are not one of those teams. This is a team with great role players, but the coach needs to understand that these players are role players for a reason, and they have limited minutes compared to your top players. This coach doesn’t read the game well and doesn’t know which players are appropriate for which situation. If I’m a top six player on the Kings, I’d be pretty pissed off that role players are eating up minutes where top guys should be given the opportunity to change a game. I believe that’s what they’re paid the big dollars for, empower them to earn their money. I won’t even start on how he’s been totally incapable of improving the power play.
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Apparently the league doesn’t like us. True or not, it’s time to do something about this and start playing like everyone’s against us. Maybe this is what the team needs to break out of this funk. This and a few goals wouldn’t hurt.
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Okay okay… everything else aside, this does not makle sense.
“Murphy defended his team’s decision during the Kings’ broadcast on Fox, saying there was no conclusive replay to overturn the goal. He said the crew in Toronto never saw the puck conclusively hit Hanzal’s stick,”
So they had NO conclusive evidence that said Hanzal’s stick touched the puck… than HOW DID HE GET CREDITED WITH THE GOAL!!!!!
idiots…
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BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 10:29 am
@VanKingsFan,
Call on the ice stands…
If there is a conspiracy, it would have to begin with the refs on the ice… All called it a good goal.
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VanKingsFan Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 10:44 am
@BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy,
truth, my big problem currently is just the ridiculousness of that statement. To say they couldnt prove he touched the puck, and then give him credit for the goal makes no sense.
It’s the Chewbacca defense! That does not, Make. Sense.
Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I’m a lawyer defending a major record company, and I’m talkin’ about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you’re in that jury room deliberatin’ and conjugatin’ the Emancipation Proclamation, does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.
Thanks Wiki
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BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 10:47 am
@VanKingsFan,
Dean just apologized; he called Mike Murphy to tell him he was sorry and Murphy was professional…
Everyone in the hockey world is calling in to call DL an ass…
VanKingsFan Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 10:53 am
@BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy, haha these things are hilarious. I am sure Dean was very heartfelt too. He knows how to play the game at least.
He got his point across and was able to say whatever he wanted, as long as you “apologize” publicly you get off with just a slap on the wrist.
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ever since we took toronto back in ’93 we dont get any cals for us.
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I was at the game last night it was so blatantly obvious that the reviews definitively showed a bad goal that this is very, very hard to swallow. It completely changed the flow of the game, as Murray suggested, and shortly after, Martinez made a bad decision and got caught behind the net…no forward covered his spot and Stempniak picked the corner on Quick on the 2-on-1. That goal was complete BS, as was the call in Ottawa.
The NHL needs in the least to apologize to the Kings and acknowledge a mistake was made. The guy in Toronto should be looking for another job as well.
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VanKingsFan Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 10:54 am
@Brian, They can’t apologize and admit a mistake; they literally can’t. If they admit they are fallible, than every single call they make becomes suddenly questionable.
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Brian Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 11:03 am
@VanKingsFan,
I know the NFL, and MLB in the near-perfect game for Galarraga, have issued formal apologies. The NHL should do the same…
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DID I REALLY READ THIS????????
“Murphy, according to Fox, said that the crew in Toronto never saw the puck conclusively hit Hanzel’s stick and that all of the on-ice officials agreed on the goal call.”
THEY NEVER SAW THE PUCK HIT HANZAL’S STICK!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! WTF!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! STEVIE WONDER SAW THE F*&^ING PUCK HIT HANZAL’S STICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How do they surmise the puck found it’s way into the net? Do they think it skittered along the ice, hit Hanzal’s skate, flipped up in the air, hovered gracefully for 1.8 seconds, then made a left turn and dipped under the crossbar into the net?!?!?!?!?!? Or did the wind from Hanzal’s stick propel the puck into the net??? GEEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This ridiculous call demoralized the team, which I believe led to the second goal. Without it, it’s 0-0 and we’re on a big penalty kill. We were outplaying them, and had our momentum continued, we might have broken the seal on Bryzgalov soon afterwards. Either way, after that review, we probably could have used a timeout to compose ourselves rather than go out there and give up the second goal right away…
Finally, though, TM and DL seem to have our player’s backs. Maybe “Us against the world” is a good attitude to adopt for the stretch run…
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First things first – no excuses for the Kings, another weak effort – lots of shots doesn’t mean anything if you don’t have the guts to go to the net.
However, Terry Murray is right on one thing: why bother to have replay if you can’t see what happened on this one ? Supposedly, Mike Murphy told Jim Fox that the goal stood since they could not definitively see Hanzal’s stick touch the puck – when several replays clearly showed the puck change direction (into the goal) with only Hanzal’s stick in the vicinity….guess it was the Murphy “magic puck”, much like the “magic bullet” in the JFK assassination – just changed direction on it’s own !
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Nice to know there is a team even more inept than the Kings in the NHL these days – the War Room goofs in Toronto.
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Kingstane9 Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 2:34 pm
@JKA, they must have concluded that Greene hit it with his glove and than the puck levitated for a half of second or so and after that, changed direction and end up in the net!?! ROFL
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I am just glad I wasn’t watching the game! The look on Greene’s face says it all….and then some!!! Yeah the Kings didn’t catch a break, but they didn’t respond the right way either.
Get it together!!!!
Go KINGS!!!!
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Let’s not forget the on-ice officials here. I’ve had my eye on Justin St. Pierre since a game last year (i was lucky enough to have glass seats that night) where he told Dustin Brown to “f- off” after a questionable call and discretely directed an obscene gesture my way before a face-off. Yes, I was heckling and banging on the glass, but that was remarkably unprofessional. Not saying he has a grudge against the kings, but he seems to display poor judgment on the ice.
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why people keep mixing bad call with shutout? bad call is bad call, we couldn’t score is another story.
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I apologize in advance in that I didn’t read all the comments. Why can’t all the video from all the cameras have some sort of ‘time stamp’ so you can line up two (or three, or four…) camera angles and peice it all together? The one view shows when the puck was touched; line it up with the view from crossbar level and you’re good-to-go. Simple, eh?
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