Mike Murphy, the NHL’s senior vice president of hockey operations, told Jim Fox that video-replays officials had “no view available that would allow them to change the call on the ice,” which is why the no-goal, called on the ice with three seconds left, held up. Neither Ryan Smyth nor Terry Murray aggressively contested the call after the game. More reaction to come…
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NHL is a joke. They need to have standard angles in all NHL arenas as a rule. I can’t understand why they dont already.
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Key word being “AVAILABLE”.
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I will only be angry if a definitive view shows up late tonight or tomorrow confirming the goal was good…
Remember what happened last year in Pittsburgh. The Pittsburgh video producer lost his job over a bad call with video proof held back from the War Room to review.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:55 pm
@BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy, Right, and the crews for Canadian games are all local people, aren’t they?
Hmm….
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Who wants my Response????
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Cry Baby Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:51 pm
@Chris Bond, I do…
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Chris Bond Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:57 pm
@Cry Baby, I would but Rich will have to kick me off the site and black ball me….that was BS. TWICE!
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Cry Baby Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:52 pm
@Chris Bond, Ha, I know that was so bogus. When the ref skated to center to make the call I was so surprised.
Referees:
Tim Peel, Eric Furlatt
Linesmen:
Derek Nansen, Bryan Pancich
There’s only so much Toronto can do to overrule their calls. I pretty much hate them right now.
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tee23 Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:51 pm
@DLB, Looked it up on officials website. to head refs are from Eastern Canada go figure.
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pr0cess Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:56 pm
@tee23, Exactly, shouldn’t the refs be selected a bit more carefully? maybe have one be American?
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:19 pm
@pr0cess, I don’t even think it’s just US/Canada. It seems to be an Eastern Canada thing. The screwing tends to happen in Ontario (and more so) Quebec.
DLB Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:39 pm
I’m mad at the refs but I don’t think it’s a conspiracy so much as incompetency. I don’t even think Toronto was particularly happy with upholding that call at the end, frankly.
But Carkner’s net-shove, that’s the one that irks me to no end. He’s right there, staring at the puck about to go in, reaching out to hook his hand around the goal post. It’s inexcusable to me that a ref misses that. At the very least, it’s delay of game.
I guess I have an easier time rationalizing bad calls away when it’s only one bad call instead of two. I know these things happen. But dang.
I only hope the Kings come out roaring next time and win by such a wide margin that no one can mess with it.
The best view was showing the stick just above the goalies arm…the goalie was on his KNEES guys. Use common sense. That’s a HORRIBLE call.
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Chris Bond Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:58 pm
@Dan H., It was at Ryans waste that is all they had to look at stick was stright out, pisses me off!
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Why is that??! Is this some amateur league? Just because you have amateur referees on the ice means that the “War Room in Toronto” can’t figure it out? Busch league!
WE WERE ROBBED!
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holly Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:47 pm
@John, Unfortunately without almost straight on view level with the cross bar, it’s all but impossible to definitively tell the level of the stick. In a situation like this the league is always going to default to the judgment of the on ice official. To do otherwise without conclusive evidence would weaken the presence of the referees. Yeah, it sucks for us, but it’s also an understandable decision by the league.
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Quisp Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:38 am
@holly,
but that’s not what the rule book says.
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It looked like a good goal to me but that’s beside the point. Bonehead plays cost us this game, in particular Jack Johnson being cute with the puck in his own zone.
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Cry Baby Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:52 pm
@Anjin, Same problem on the power play!
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NoDoughty Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:18 pm
@Anjin, Lack of PP production or ability to hold on to a lead cost us this game regardless of the BOGUS call at the end
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what are they talking about fox said that there were lots of feeds on that game Bs!!!!!
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Murray needs to show some passion here and raise holy hell about these calls. If nothing else maybe it will fire the team up a bit. Worst game I have seen Jack Johnson play as a King. Sit him for a game to think about it. Would Muzzin really be much of a downgrade for a game?
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:58 pm
@LAPD line, For us, we know they got screwed…but TM can’t go off like that. He needs to let the team know they had to play better, and if you’re him or the players, you have to keep your chin up and not make excuses–even when they know they got jobbed. That’s part of sportsmanship.
Again, for us…it’s different, but for them….
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LAPD line Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:17 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?,
Yeah, I get that. It’s just that some times I think it would be nice to see a little fire from our coach. I do agree that they should not use these blown calls as an excuse. They had plenty of chances to put this game away.
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RabidHockeyFan Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 10:59 pm
@LAPD line, I completely agree – Once in a while, the team needs to see the coach back them by aggressively going after an official. Its not going to overturn the call, but it sends a message to your team. To me, tonight was a perfect opportunity.
yeah because they’re thinking the same thing. playing in canada, with canadian refs and then toronto calling the vid reviews what’s the point. i see them aholes in toronto high 5ing each other right now.
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Gee. With all the technology in todays world we cant get a camera in the right angle.. WOW. Even from the angle that I seen it was so obvious. Thanks NHL for costing the Kings two points.
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It was pointed out the CBC had the view but wouldn’t show, why would CBC help an American team.. BS
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power play had better get fixed or we are in for long losing streak.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:58 pm
@fazier king, I’m looking at the penalty kill, tonight.
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fazier king Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:04 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, yes but what a bad refs game tonight,no camera views Bs BS bs !!!!1
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That was the second horrible call in this game by the same ref. The first horrible call was on the Clifford/Simmonds “No Goal”… Where Carkner clearly pulled the net off with his right hand. There wasn’t even a penalty given on that play. The rules says if a player Intentionally pulls the net off and the puck enters the net, a goal can still be awarded. But it’s not reviewable…
two horrible calls by that ref tonight!
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After the arrogant interview with colin not surprised! Missing veiws in the war room ,what ajoke. would’nt want to be the ref that got fired by colin? Oh and Tim Peel and Eric Furlatt…let me guess eastern Canadians??
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Refs are biased for Canadian teams. No way that on ice official could see Smyths stick was above the crossbar however he knew it would be impossible for Toronto to over-rule the on ice call. Murphy had no guts to over turn call.
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dsh Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:20 pm
@Greg, completely agree!!!
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How come we can all tell and they can’t?
The ref on the ice is not too competent: he took away two goals in calls that went against the grain. On the first goal I was looking whether the D was pulling the net off. Why don’t the refs look too as it unfolds? This has happened other times when I notice the D being sneaky. Then on the last goal, normally it would be good from ice view and then they could double-check to be sure. He over-reffed negating something good.
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In my eyes, Jack Johnson has never been a true King even all the way back to his first season with the team. I see him as an egotastic dude that doesn’t really want to give his 100 or let alone play in LA. THAT’S MY TWO CENTS!
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dsh Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:20 pm
@Darren, dude; really?
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demob Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:27 pm
@Darren,
Alright, let’s trade Johnson and Bernier for something good! Time to stop holding on to prospects and improve the team. We have only 1 and a half good lines. The third and 4th lines have been very dissapointing.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:46 pm
@demob, Who are you going to use as backup? Zatkoff?
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Nuts and bolts … Nuts and bolts … WE GOT SCREWED!
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Smyth and Murray don’t contest because its pointless once the decision is made. Common sense upon review shows you the stick was below the cross bar but what do you expect from the NHL really?
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John Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:05 pm
@Oz,
And the view we got LIVE from behind Jack shooting you could totally see the puck never went above the crossbar (and by definition it had to at some point)! I seriously think the ref went off their goalie complaining about a high stick – if you look at it, none of the Senators compalin except him.
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Mike Murphy used to be a King….WTF??????
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:04 pm
@TiredOfIt, Wasn’t anything HE could do about it unless he had an ice-level view. If anything it was the on-ice officials or the TV crews.
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USHA#17 Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 4:25 pm
@TiredOfIt,
Captain at that.
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i didnt even notice that jj played that bad…
one bad game should not be reason to sit the dude
he had a great start to the year and you guys are ripping him hard
bs call, NHL really blew it
but i agree the kings shouldn’t have been in that position in Ottawa..
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49puckstothenuts Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 10:31 am
@SixSix, JJ had a lousy start to the year and a worse game last nite. he needs to exhibit some of the grit and nastiness that was promoted by his cheap shot in some college game when he was traded here. I do get the sense its JJ 1st and team second in his view. that being said i’m not saying trade the guy – he’s the type of person you need in the playoffs. he isnt afraid of the spot light, in fact i think it makes him a better player ( like when doughnuts was injured). i just think he needs his ass kicked so his head will pop out and get fitted on straight with team first priorities.
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Was there a in net cam I didnt notice???
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are you kidding me???? there were plenty points of reference to see that RS stick was not above the cross bar… damn goal!!
not to mention the intentionally pushed net when the defensemen had seen that Simmer had a clear open net (Penalty Shot!!!!!!!)
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Nobody is pointing out that Ottawa was in a tailspin before we arrived and why are we playing down to the competition. I’m tired of our D giving up coverages and while Quick was good in Boston, he has to make a key save on Spezza and he didn’t.
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dsh Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:25 pm
@carol vadnais, what about the other 7 to 8 key saves my friend?
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:49 pm
@carol vadnais, ffft! Yeah, right! From where I sat that was a tough save, and also from where I sat, it seems like they played well enough to win, minus the way Greene played that third goal. The Jack Johnson screw-up was half on him and half on the no-call penalty that should have been interference or hooking, depending on what you want to call the corkscrew move these days.
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If the people in Toronto can’t review the play to make a definitive call on the play, what’s the use of a “war room”? NHL should have it’s own cameras in certain strategic locations because of this debacle. And whats with that Simmonds non goal. The pucks laying there with a wide open net, its going to go in, the defensman knows it, he’s sliding by and blatantly, deliberately grabs the post to pull the net off the moorings to avoid a goal. At best, I thought there was a delay of game for this kind of thing or did I miss something? We still shot ourselves in the foot regardless, with the mistakes made tonight but the outcome should have been much different.
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What a BS call!! The best view showed Smyth’s stick parallel just under his jersey logo. His knees are slightly bent so there is no way the stick could have been higher than the crossbar. I would hate for these numbsculls to be accident investigators or reconstructionists. Their failure to use reference points makes going to replay useless unless there is a perfect angle.
No need for last second goal if JJ isn’t playing with his head up his A.
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I would like to know what did they see to say that the goal was knocked in with a high stick? Every angle I saw looked to show at least a couple inches below the crossbar and stick was level. With the first look it showed it below and I never saw anything that was close to being over the cross bar. Of course you’ve got Toronto looking at it, and an Eastern Canadian team . . . there’s no way it’s a goal.
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Simmonds was robbed. The net did not move until the puck passed the line.Smth was robbed, too. LeClaire was on his knees and Ryan’s stick was parallel to his waist. If Peel and Furlatt come to staples, we should throw rotten fruit at them.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:50 pm
@poe, It clearly moved before the puck crossed the line–they replayed it several times and it was obvious. However, the bastard PULLED it off deliberately, and that was also obvious. Guess that’s at least a penalty…maybe an automatic goal, depending on the specifics in the rule book.
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I keep thinking Carkner learned that move watching footage of Luongo during last year’s playoffs. I hate getting robbed the same way twice.
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memories
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That’s a ridiculous excuse. This is not an unsophisticated league. There were sufficient/available angles to see that the stick was at waist level…certainly equal to the cross-bar or lower. Smyth didn’t knock it down from up in the sky, he batted at it/chopped at it to bring it down into the net. I’m not Mike Murphy but I’ve followed hockey for 43 years. Its pretty clear that it was a goal…and that is NOT because I am a Kings fan. Also earlier in the game, when the net is yanked off its moorings, it should have been a penalty shot. Its time that there is some consistency and backbone in the league. Murph should know better. That was a travesty.
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