The Kings appeared to have tied the game with three seconds remaining, but after a lengthy video review, officials determined that Ryan Smyth knocked in the puck with a high stick. The Kings outshot the Senators 30-19 but lost for the fourth time in five games. More from the locker room to come..
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Ridiculous
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badGoltending Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:29 pm
@tyfighter77,
Agree total b.s but…
my guess would be that video review was inconclusive,
so the boys in toronto went with the ruling on the ice.
which sucks
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striving Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:35 pm
Lame call.. Give me a break!
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So ridiculous OMG robbery………
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TORONTO MADE THE WRONG CALL!
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:11 pm
@Nick in 318, To be honest, they made the wrong call on the ice both times, and it was difficult for Toronto to do anything about it. The first time there was nothing Toronto could do, and the second time, they had to have a better view to overturn it, but it certainly doesn’t seem the blade of Smyth’s stick could have been over the crossbar.
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cjms Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:15 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, Blade above the crossbar my foot. The only thing that really matters there is the shaft of the stick.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:17 pm
We know there was nothing above the crossbar, but even if the Toronto guys wanted to believe it, they can’t prove it. It was the guys on the ice.
USHA#17 Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:55 pm
@cjms,
Objectively (Huh! At this site?) it was close but appeared good.
They’d have to look from two vantages. One showing the height of the goalies head which the stick appeared to even to or below.
If the head was even or above the crossbar then IMO no goal.
Wonder if a head shot angle was available.
I dont know how they could determine that it was above the cross bar. I bet they couldnt see enough to overturn the call on the ice. Refs screwed up twice tonight and cost us a win.
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Jay Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:09 pm
@FM3, The La Kings cost themselves a win by not burying chances and playing poor defense.
I mean JW had a good pass on his stick with an open net and it bounced over…not 15 seconds before that….so I mean..if he handles that like he should this isn’t even an issue.
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Hat trick Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:16 pm
@Jay, you’re right he shoulda handled it. actually he shouldn’t of even handled it he should of just one timed it. boom back of net.
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kororr Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:22 am
@Jay, JW isnt to blame for today. he did everything right. JJ is to blame…ridiculous.
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mcsorleyfan Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:09 pm
@FM3, most logical explanation to me.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:11 pm
@FM3, That’s pretty much it.
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Daren Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:13 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, Jack Johnson doesn’t make that stupid give away and it is a non-issue as well. Should have won this one as well.
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BS calls on the no goals. Oh, well, on to the next game
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Who’s currently working the NHL replay in Toronto??
That decision was BRUTAL.
gKg!
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Nut Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:15 pm
@LBlocal, because the ref blew the initial call Toronto’s hands were tied
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Highway robbery!
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Call the cops. We were robbed.
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Bull.
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Everyone is gunna cry Canadian conspiracy. But seriously…those are two tough calls from the refs…ONE non reviewable..and one that was 50/50.
Just how it is sometimes. Tough calls. We need to play better if we want to win these games either way.
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Bingram Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:10 pm
@Jay,
50 / 50, not hardly!
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KH Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:11 pm
@Bingram, 99.9/.1
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Jay Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:14 pm
@Bingram, If you want to be objective you can look at it like I am. Calm down and take deep breaths…i upset we lost also…but seriously the first goal ref hasta call it when the net is off. It’s not reviewable even if it was a bad call.
And the stick one was seriously a 50 50…we saw TWO ANGLES. of probably 10 Toronto has. It was close…very close…you look at Smyth…stick is just above his belly button..he is probably 6’4 or 6’5 on skates…a goal is a 5 by 6……I mean if his stick is tilted up it’s..to me..not all the inconceivable that it was too high.
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Eberlin Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:19 pm
@Jay, Goal is 4 x 6.
Anyway, as others have mentioned, I’m sure it was inconclusive on the review…so we defer to the call on the ice…which was probably wrong. Bad call (then again I’m a Kings fan so maybe I’m biased), no indisputable evidence. Lame.
Jay Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:21 pm
@Jay, 4×6! sorry typing faster then my brain is goin right now
tee23 Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:12 pm
@Jay, 0/2 is pretty bad officiating though.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:12 pm
@Jay, Only because it happens a couple times a year, and that’s out of a couple dozen games.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:16 pm
…and it doesn’t have to be a conspiracy…just “tie goes to the Canadian team” in their heads.
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Kingboston Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:13 pm
@Jay, Tough call at the end of the game indeed, so the question begs how a ref makes that call that the stick was above the crossbar, and doesn’t just let it go straight to replay?
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Hat trick Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:17 pm
@Jay, then what’s the point of calling toronto? and why was the ref soooo damn quick to call off the goals. those refs smell like puke.
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Jay Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:22 pm
@Hat trick, Because it WAS inconclusive.
But hey let’s just think the way all the homers think
and it’s all a bunch of guy in Canadian hockey jerseys up in Toronto..all canadian born…all telling Anti – American jokes and making bad calls so two points in a mid season game goes to a canadian team rather then an American team….
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Hat trick Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:32 pm
@Jay, exactly you can’t lose to the Kings. you just can’t.
Kingstane9 Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:49 am
@Hat trick, totally agree with you!
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west coast ram Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:37 pm
@Jay, the call on the ice should always be that a goal is scored and only video could overturn the call.
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Quisp Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 9:34 am
@Jay et al
The problem is that the rule book is at best ambiguous about who has jurisdiction on such plays. The rules say, (1) the ref has final say on everything, and (2) if the play is referred to video review, video review has the final say, yet (3) the ref can use video review to make his determination, yet (4) per “2″ he doesn’t have final say then, and (5) video review always reviews all goals and potential goals anyway and reports its determination to the scorers’ table.
Also, the rule does not say that if the video review is inconclusive the call on the ice stands. In fact, if the ref asks for the opinion of video review, the video judge MUST make a ruling, according to the rules. He can’t just say, “can’t tell, whatever you think is best.”
Also-also, if the determination is that the point of contact with the puck is AT the level of the crossbar, then it’s a good goal.
Also-also-also: look where the ref was when he made the call. he’s behind Smyth in the corner.
Also-x4: It doesn’t matter what the original call is. The ref is NOT, as many people seem to think, locked into his first call. He is free to change his mind at any time, after consulting with video review. The rules never ever ever say that if he washes out the goal he can’t reverse himself.
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Well if Toronto says that the Simmonds goal was no goal then why would we believe this one to be? Rubbish call.. Heading to Toronto now guns blazing.
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what a load of crap.
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We have replay in Toronto to make the correct call and just like the NFL they still cant get it right.
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What do you expect when Toronto is ruling on a game between the Kings and any Canadian team?
Let’s get ready for Montreal.
Go Kings go!!
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robbed…
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And the E. Canada ‘screwing’ continues….
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Kings won 4-3 right?
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Niko Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:42 pm
@Lime, So we were watching the same game!
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I live in Canada and I’m pretty ashamed right now.
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Heres Johnny Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:10 pm
@faninvan, should be!
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Hat trick Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:18 pm
@faninvan, you know what i’m talking about! how horrid were those calls???
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Absolute S*&^! FU Toronto!
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rich is there any way to dispute this?!
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ViperHockey Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:11 pm
@KH, no. The complaints are with the refs on the ice. There is almost never a good enough review of a puck directed in by a high stick. This was no different. The replay that they kept showing appeared to me to show Smyth’s stick at about armpit level. If that’s the case, it’s too close to overturn the call on the ice.
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Jay Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:16 pm
@ViperHockey, Exactly. It’s too close and, i mean err on te side of caution here…just as we had a game to win on that call..Ottawa had a game to lose on that call…just cause it didn’t go our way it’s a bad call..you can’t argue to consequence.
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KH Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:18 pm
@ViperHockey, ya and even then its not like we could replay the game or anything but i would like to see something done about it. maybe its just my emotions wanting some type of reaction for this, but regardless the game is over so i guess its just on to montreal. lets hope our defense is at its best not getting burnt on stupid plays so stuff like this doesnt even have a chance to happen.
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Jay Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:20 pm
@KH, YUP. Greene getting undressed and Johnson a terrible turnover one a BONEHEAD FEED from Handzus put us 2 behind the 8 ball anyways.
Those things MUST stop.
Bummer, that was a good goal.
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That is a 4-3 Kings win if both of those calls are made right on the ice by the referees. Carkner intentionally dislodges the net and the Ottawa camera crew cannot pull up a decent angle on the Ryan Smyth goal. Tough way to lose a game.
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OMG robbery that is ridiculous
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guess u have to score a clean goal in canada otherwise toronto and the refs will make sure you dont get your hard earned goals.
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I call BS !!!!!
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Don’t be looking for a fair game when playing in Canada…just wait till we play Montreal…its gonna be worse. BIAS B.S.!!!!
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Hat trick Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:19 pm
@Darren, yeah they might start cryin again about someone’s stick curve being too much again.
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So incredibly bogus! Robbed us of at least one point. So un-fair. What did those refs. have against us. I’m sorry I’m pretty bitter right now.
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I would like to hear the off ice official’s explanation for that call…
Simmonds non goal was a joke too, the defenceman obviously pulled the goal off the pegs.
I have a bad taste in my mouth.
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Dude…
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What a joke. How was not a goal?
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Wow. Two blown goals in the same game. Gotta love the quality refs in this league.
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We were robbed. The NHL has got to get better replay equipment. It was CLEARLY a goal. I am outraged. What a crock of bull. What do the replay guys in Toronto do?? Unfreakin believable
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out of synch….kinda hard to establish anything consistent when we cant get stability on the lines. When are we going to get a winger for our #1 line? How do we really expect to contend when we don’t even have a top line? Make a trade to fill out our lines or fight for the #8 playoff spot.
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LAPD line Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:13 pm
@Kris, We already have two #1 line wingers…. Smyth, and Williams.
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Kris Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:17 pm
@LAPD line, agree….. I would like to see JW on the top line with Kopi & Brown. Smyth doesnt have the speed to keep up with those two on the top line. Smyth can stay on the second with Stoll and ?? but we still don’t have enough to fill out a ligit top 6.
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EllieMurray Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:27 pm
@Kris, And the last time Williams played left wing, he broke his hand. So Brown is moving to the left side I hope?
King John Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:39 pm
@Kris,
No, leave Stoll’s line the same; the guys feed off each other. It’s perfect.
We just need to find the right LW fit for Kopi.
Never got on here to complain about the Refs….but this just boogles the mind. I can just see them in Tornoto Laughing while the call was made on the ice
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That last call did not even look very close to me. Smyth’s stick was not even close to being above the bar. That was probably THE worst booth review I’ve seen in the history of hockey replay. The NHL should be ashamed of themselves.
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The Kings totally got screwed out of at least one point. Despite Jim Fox’s comments, I don’t see any way Smyth’s stick wasn’t lower than the crossbar. Having said that, LeClaire played a great game and it was lost with Johnson’s mistake at the end of the second period. Rough going for Greene on the third goal.
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pr0cess Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:16 pm
@xhockeywriter, Fox is really getting on my nervs, his love for the refs gets old real fast..
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is it just me or do we always end up on the short end of the stick when we go to Canada? I still wanna punch a ref for the game against the Canadiens
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Ok lets see. If the stick was actually higher than the crossbar wouldn’t the puck go over the net. Because in Smyth’s goal you can clearly see the puck go up and go in hence the stick was lower.
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ViperHockey Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:15 pm
@Who Knows?, Uhh., wrong, the puck hit the ice just before it crossed the line.
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That game felt like I was watching WWE wrestling…wait, the Ultimate Warrior wasn’t supposed to lose…lets make up some rule about illegal spandex so his opponent is disqualified
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The stick was not perpendicular to his body, it was pointed down toward the ground. Didn’t look high at all! Should’ve been a goal.
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Two bad calls cost the Kings the game. We should have won 4-3.
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Toronto replay and the Ref suck….How do you miss that?…..Why didnt they check our sticks too?
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I just knew they wanted to take that goal away from us, but I didn’t see how they would be able to. I don’t see what they could have seen in Toronto to make that horrible decision. Good night folks. On to the next game.
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Worst call we have seen all year…
Who was it who was posting before the trip and talking about this very thing happening when the Kings go there?
Whoever it was, they were spot on.
In spite of the great game in Boston, for all intent and purposes, the slide continues. I can’t remember two players being so important (Poni, Willie M.) since Allison and Deads.
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Niko Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:36 pm
@Doc. Mark 1968, YEP! Canadian bias strikes again, and this time it was televised for everyone to see…
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Doc. Mark 1968 Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:42 pm
@Niko,
I say, give me a Kings and any-team from the province of Quebec Cup Final…
And let the LAPD style beatings commence!!
I thought a couple of glasses of Fosters Ale would help after this one, but its only making me more pissed!!
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umm yea toronto WAKE UP!!!!
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the NHL is a Joke, they are lucky any of us still care about it. how is Smyths waist above the bar? i figured they wouldnt get the call.
the Kings are still to blame for putting themselves in a bad situation. after a bad loss to a Poor Buf team, and getting Dominated in Bos, you would think the effort would be better tonight, it wasnt.
dont expect any calls in Mtl, they must play much better, esp. with JB in net.
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Oh Toronto….got to the box ….feal shame.
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Hat trick Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:23 pm
@Deke’r, Lol…classic.
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Can’t really put it on Toronto…they needed a better look to overturn the call on the ice. I think they knew it but they couldn’t prove it. It’s on the on-ice officials–both times.
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xeropoint Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:23 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?,
True, we primarily blame the ref. Then again how do we know what angles they had in Toronto?
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I’m not usually one to be critical of the team on here…but we have to trade Jack Johnson. I don’t care if he has 13 assists or whatever this season he is a defensive liability. He gave the puck up like 5 times tonight and almost gave it away another 5….just a terrible game and he seems to have one real good bone-head play ever night. Trade him please!
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KC23 Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:51 pm
@KINGS#4, Amen, JJ played embarrassing bad. Worst game of any King’s defenseman of any game this year. TM should sit his rear in the press box in Montreal.
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UglyinLA Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 8:02 am
@KINGS#4,
I have to agree. Looking at next years salaries, DD and JJ are both RFA. Obviously DD is going to command at least $6M. With Mitch, Scuds, and Greene already on board for next year JJ is expendable. Muzz and DD2 are shaping up to be #5 and #6. So next is year is DD, Mitch, Scuds, Greene, DD2, and Muzz. Look for the Kings to trade JJ to New Jersey for Parise or to Boston for Krejci or Horton.
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WHATEVER!
Time to blaze up and put it behind. No more comments tonight.
‘night!
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Niko Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:34 pm
@What’s the frequency, Kenneth?, pack it up!
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VERSUS just showed the highlights.
The commentators said that it looked like interference against Johnson when Ottawa scored.
They said that the final goal with 3 seconds left looked good to them. They said Toronto looked at it, and then they said again that the goal looked good to them.
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Hat trick Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:22 pm
@King John, oh course it did cuz the goal was good! those damn maple leafs still can’t get over it.
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O MY fkn GOd!
I feel violated. I hate Canada
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F*** the refs and all the commentators and VS. and NHL Network…that was the biggest BS i have ever seen, 1st no pentalty was called on their second goal, then they call high sticking….what fix , it was fix, you dont know how mad i am, it feels like we were discriminated for not being a Canadien team!!! BUULLLLLLLSHIIIIIT!!!!
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Huge disappointment with the officials tonight, but especially Carkner for the downright cheat with the post. I think our boys handled it pretty well. Next time.
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Badly played, badly officiated. The “no-goal” on Carkner’s pulling off the goal post was, well, I can’t even characterize the missed call. And then, to deny a clear goal? OK, having said all that, the Kings were lackadaisical for most of the game. Smyth, Williams, Stoll, they played with typical heart. Anyone else show up? Tell me, anyone?
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nuts and bolts, we got screwed
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I don’t want to blame the Toronto office, but I agree that should’ve been a goal.
I’m in Canada so I got Sportsnet Ontario’s feed. They refused to show an ice level angle, but the best one they did show was from the LW corner, way up in the upper deck.
Even from there, I could tell it wasn’t a high stick. Smytty’s right hand was up around his rib cage. His left hand was lower on his stick. And the blade was lower than his left hand.
Do the geometry. Unless Smytty’s 8 feet tall, there’s no way his stick was above the crossbar.
How’s the league gonna outdo itself screwing over the Kings in Montreal? Hahaha.
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to the people keep saying that we should have played better, maybe so, but if refs keep doing this, we will have to make up for the two robbed goals every game in canada. that was ridiculous how that ref called of both goals without visual aid first
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total .b.s first they pull off the net ,there player saw the kings player moving in too bury it but canadian b.s. in Toronto takes over .Then to do us twice in one game is unbelievable.They must be blind .
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Kings got SHAFTED!
i think the Ref took the easy way out by calling it a high stick and he kept pointing upstairs as if he wasnt sure about it but video would clear it up. unfortunately nothing was conclusive to overturn the call. complete crap! on the other call, they missed the guy pull the net off with his hand.
bottom line though, you have got to score on a power play chance close to the end of the game, and johnson, what a bonehead play man.
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Man I am done here for the night. Enough homerisms flying around that their is a Canadian conspiracy…..
Everyone go have a drink and realize that if we play like the team we are capable of being…this isn’t an issue..
fact is we played 30 minutes..MAYBE of worthy hockey.
Turnovers + Bad team defense + Inept powerplay + Production from only 4 players of 20 (Williams, Smyth, Kopi, Brown) = lose
not calls.
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TiredOfIt Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:21 pm
@Jay, You forgot to say Greene sucked tonight….I’ll take a Jack and Coke please
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xeropoint Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:27 pm
@TiredOfIt,
Greenes been bad for the last 6 games. Got absolutely burned by Spezza
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DLB Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:24 pm
@Jay, And yet, with two blatant mistakes by the on ice officials, one with three seconds left, I don’t blame people for being upset.
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Jay Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:28 pm
@DLB, We have no idea what angles they had in Toronto. You can’t say it was blatant.
And the other was a non reviewable call..and if you think about it logically..Even if he did move the net off on purpose..
it’s the referees job to watch the puck..which was out in front of the net at the time..not some random guy at the side of the net.
It’s a just a tough call that goes against us. END OF STORY.
No conspiracy. It’s sports. it happens.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:40 pm
@DLB, Yeah, you don’t to be a homer to know you got screwed, and it doesn’t have to be a “conspiracy.” That’s just posturing to derisively say that’s what the complaints are about. Both screw-jobs were on the ice.
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Topshelf Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:26 pm
@Jay, You need to see the big picture here, the refs screwed up and it feels like a Canadien conspiracy because we played a Canadien team. If the game was called we would have been rewarded for working hard to tie the game after making “bad plays”, I tell you this though,I think it should’ve been a penalty when Johnson lost the puck to them
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Jay Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:29 pm
@Topshelf, So if this game is Dallas V Kings..all of a sudden it’s not a Canadian Conspiracy? How does that work???
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:42 pm
@Topshelf, Yeah, Johnson let himself get corkscrewed, and that goal shouldn’t have counted. He shouldn’t have let it happen, and it should have been called hooking or interference. I strongly disagree with the idea of a “conspiracy,” though. It’s just good old-fashioned bias.
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Canadian bias. The first dis-allowed goal was a perfect example. The refs lean away from the Kings on judgement calls. And why are Harry and Whiskey paired together? Plus/minus doesn’t tell the whole story. Every time the Sens set it up in our zone and got good pressure, it was Whiskey and Harry. Not to take away from what they offer, but they get exploited on the road. Other teams see them step on the ice and they send out their top line or some grinders, then the get time/pressure in our zone.
The sky still isn’t falling! Jon Quick is here! Go Kings Go!
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Screwing in Montreal pending…Canada 478 Kings 0
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Thought the goal was good… maybe the boys in Toronto had tears in their eyes from laughing at the Kings “power” play with 3 minutes to go … worse joke than the officials…
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Logically all wrong.
Smyth knows what he is going in front of the net, Smyth is ‘short’, Smyth’s arms where angled down from back to front, and he was leaning forward.
The ref made the deciding call, wrong.
But I’m just being bias, again!
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jamesonafterawin Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:25 pm
@jamesonafterawin, Oh, I had my Jameson. Because the future is unknow, but the past is obvios.
Unless you where a ref at the Kings game tonight.
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Lime Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:28 pm
@jamesonafterawin, Canada took a goal from Captain Canada! Not to mention Simmer the Toronto native
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I am so pissed off i cant believe it .
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The goal should have totally counted, but if the Canadian people running the WarRoom were actually biased they would have overturned the refs’ call.
We Canadians love Ryan Smyth a lot more than we do the bloody Senators!
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I know, I have argued to not panic and trade. But can we trade for Colin Campbell’s son just, so atleast we would know the officials would be fired after this one. 2 Good Goals disallowed. It should be like the NFL where they tell officials to make no call on close plays, and let video determine if it should be overturned. After all thats what they do if they aren’t sure if a puck went in the net, play continues. BS BS BS
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SCREWED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Piss poor officiating and piss poor job by Toronto. They should be ashamed of themselves. What a disgrace.
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BLOODY MURDER
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I have been watching hockey a long time, and it sure seems like the benifit goes to the canadian teams in canada a whole lot.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:45 pm
@jmiller, over the years, there’s been little doubt of that, and I don’t know how people get off trying to claim otherwise.
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Forget about the refs. What is more important is the teams play. PP with 5 to go down a goal and we can barely got a shot off. 2 goals were scored bc d man we burned bad. Where is the emotion and checking? They haven’t put together a solid 60 in over 5 games now. Our first line is non existent. Kopis goal is an individual effort. What do we expect when Dwight king is cur 1st li e LW. Don’t get me wrong he is decent, but as a 3rd or 4th liner maybe. I thought kopi and brown were developing chemistry they just need a legit winger.
Btw, is simmonds still on tis team? If he’s nit gonna score he needs to hit people.
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xeropoint Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:29 pm
@Jeff,
He did score. They just decided to arbitraily not count it.
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Topshelf Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:30 pm
@Jeff, We are talking about today’s game and the actions that occured in today’s game
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:45 pm
@Jeff, I thought 4-3 in their building was a gritty effort for the win.
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Smyth’s stick was almost parallel and his right hand was holding the stick right at his waist … how in the hell the blade could be higher than crossbar? First, knocking off the goal by hand and then this BS call. Obviously, Canadian teams can’t win the game without the help from Tronto. You disgust me.
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I’m more upset about Jack Johnson on the second Ottawa goal than the horrible call.
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I thought that we had Mike Murphy, the former King, in Toronto to make the rulings in our favor. Isn’t that what they said in Vancouver in the playoffs last year? I guess not. The real culprit though is the referee since they made the calls on the ice & it takes definitive proof to overturn them. I can overlook the Simmonds goal but this last one should have been a good goal. We got hosed.
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I bet if it had been called a goal at first it would have counted. Stick was about waist high. Add that to the net being pulled off intentionally and we got 2 points stolen from us by the ref! Well ok, some blame on JMFJ as well from what I saw. What a cap on a crappy day! Oh well. Better beet the Habs. Go Kings!
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Wow. Just….wow.
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There are camera’s inside both nets pointed to the goal line to determine if the puck went all the way over the line. It may be time to put 2 on the top of each net or behind the net in the boards to monitor the level of deflections.
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on the fly sucks!
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Niko Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:32 pm
@Galen, I went right to OTF hoping for a better angle, but they are behind Toronto’s call…
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xhockeywriter Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:12 pm
@Niko, Gee, what a shocker that THE NHL NETWORK wouldn’t criticize NHL on- and off-ice officials.
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WOW!!! Two disallowed goals that we’re clearly legit. Those refs should fined and fired.
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I just have one thing to say — FU to the refs and Toronto. Can’t do anything about it now, let’s concentrate on the next one. Ottawa was gifted, end of story.
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I think the Kings aren’t as good as we think. They’ve looked flat and haven’t played well for 60 consecutive minutes for a while.
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Jeff Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:32 pm
@transrapide, Agree with second part. They r good though. Remember 2 veteran solid players r out. We need a LW badly.
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xhockeywriter Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:15 pm
@Jeff, They are good, but so are more than eight teams in the West. They’ll likely make the playoffs, but even one point is likely to make the difference on home ice and final position.
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Niko Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:33 pm
@transrapide, but we did play well enough to win tonight despite defensive errors.
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Lets not forget about Quick. 3 goals on 19 shots? Brutal.
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To bad we can’t send these messages to the league directly. Or can we?
Refs keep face off in Kings zone, goal Senators.
Cockner pulls goal off, no Kings goal.
Smyth scores legit goal, and the ref away from the play and with two players blocking him waves it off.
Bad, Bad ,Bad! Any chance Vince McMahon is in Toronto tonight?
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I agree that we have not played 60 min in a few games but we were the better team tonight ,it was taken from us no way around it.
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Wow, reminds me of our last game in Montreal, but even worse!! There needs to be some sort of discipline for refs, or at least review significant blown calls. Of course this will never happen being that a Canadian team won as a result.. BULL FU***** SH**!!!!!
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All those fake BS commentators on VS. and NHL network who act like they don’t know what happened and zoom through the Kings highlights to avoid the embarrasement of them talking non-sense can all go f*** themselves in their f**** azzh*oles
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Looked it up on NHL officials. Both Refs Canadian go figure!
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Why didn’t TM do anything, he was so calm? What is wrong with him man, he has that stupid look on his face…why is Kompon doing the talking on the timeout? TM is in charge but seems like he doesnt care
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fazier king Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:37 pm
@Topshelf, I agree with you TM just stood there like a statue .
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I was watching OnTheFly. They showed two highlights in its package from a hand-held camera on the goal line where that goal was disallowed. Curious where that camera was on that call?
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Will the stupid TV judge get suspension if they make 2 huge mistakes in a game and cost a win of a team?
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To everyone here who doesn’t understand what happened….The KINGS got ROBBED, plain and simple! The NHL and its PUZZY refs Screwed us!!
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I really miss Willie Mitchell.
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The NHL needs to allow the War Room guys to step up and make their own decision more often. Right now they are too hesitant to overturn the ref. THAT’s the problem here.
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Hat trick Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:43 pm
@SCG, not when some canadian team is playing the Kings though.
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SCG Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:48 pm
@Hat trick, I live in Ontario Canada and I can tell you that most people outside 50 miles of Ottawa either hates the Senators or is completely indifferent about them. Ryan Smyth is a national hero up here, we call him Captain Canada for all of the times he has played for our country in International Events. There is absolutely no Canadian conspiracy, I can assure you.
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Hat trick Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:31 pm
@SCG, i don’t know if you saw the game or that play but your country just royally screwed over your capt. you and i both know they did.
I hope the two points lost don’t cost us later !!!!!
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Where does our motivation go from here? How dissapointing is it when you are in a slump and you work hard to get rewarded only to get SCREWED again by the NHL…..how do you rebound from this? Keep your heads up boys!!! GKG
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I don’t know what to say! We got robbed twice tonight by the same ref at the same end of the Ice. The first “no goal” Call on the Clifford/Simmonds goal where Carkner pulled the net off with his right hand and then that Goal by Smyth. Same ref that said Carkner didn’t pull the net off, said Smyth Hit his good goal in with a high stick. Which everyone clearly could see his stick was the same level as the Sens goalie’s arm (Which was well below the crossbar).
That’s a tough game there…
I am wondering about if when Poni comes back, can we move him to the #1 line with Kopi and Brown? I think Clifford has been doing a great job in the shutdown role on the third line. I would like to see this when poni Comes back..
Poni-Kopi-Brown
Smyth-Stoll-Williams
Clifford-Hanz-Simmonds
Richardson-Lewis-Westie
Anyone else like that?
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tee23 Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:46 pm
@kylecliffordfan, I completely agree
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edwood2 Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:55 pm
@kylecliffordfan, I would rather see Poni go back to the third line and Clifford get a shot at the first. A bit more energy there can’t hurt.
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Rich, I have a question for you. Can the Kings some how protest the call after the game? Is there any way the league will review the call and play again and maybe come out and say they were wrong? I know they do this with penalties, but can they review this again?
Thanks
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Sev The Kings Fan From Montreal Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:49 pm
@kylecliffordfan,
I hope so… it was a bad call and It would be good if the kings protested…
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Because this is a family blog I am going to say it like this…..Mother #&$%*#$, @*#@#$#@!, @*#*&@ *$ @@*$*&, oh and Ref Your a *$**$&#&^ @$#**#*# and Toronto can bite me…the end.
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Hat trick Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:33 pm
@Chris Bond,
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bear777 Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 9:38 pm
@Hat trick, I agree
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I was going to call it a night but I’ve been waiting for more from the locker room …I can only guess the mood in that room, but maybe I’ll have to wait until tomorrow to read the interviews. Like someone said, I hope this lost point or possible two don’t come back to haunt us. Shame on those refs.
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very bad call and to wave it off so fast……..it should have been a goal then ..under reveiw,the replay on the broadcast was decisive what the hec were they looking at………..every time we go to canada we get these bonehead calls…….gretsky is already retired……..play us straight up and we will see who wins did you see the guy pulling the crossbar he looked like a kid on the playground and the ref was looking at him………totally ridiculous.
well we should have even won 4-2 if we exicuted the scoring chances we had…..need to find an answer on the pp its killing us.
we need to start shooting and thinking later and just react to the shots too much telegraphing……..did you see richie tonite wow great speed maybe we need to find someone to play with him soon.
its a long season and we will be fine lets just try to stay stateside after montreal for a while.
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Say what you will about the 2 controversial calls. The bottom line is that the Kings lost because of 2 defensive breakdowns by Greene & Johnson.
That’s the fact Jack!
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It’s easy to blame the refs for a bad call, but let’s not forget that we were down 3-2 with less than 5 seconds left. Ottawa did not look like much of a team to me, but we could not find a way to stay ahead of them. THAT is the real story of this game.
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Simmer Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 7:56 pm
Sadly, it’s NOT the real story of the game. Two bad calls – on goals – are the real story of the game. But you can pat yourself on the back for being impassionate and open-minded and progressive. So congrats for that…
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rick Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:18 pm
@Simmer, Nice comments. Bye now.
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rosebud Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:28 pm
@Simmer, And you should congratulate yourself for making the effort to understand that not everyone agrees with you. Give yourself a gold star!!!
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Am I the only person who feels this should be the way the NHL acts with plays like this:
If the puck goes in the net, then it’s good. Use video replay for any controversial plays, and only call off the goal if there is conclusive evidence it was put in illegally.
I’m tired of games, ANY games, being decided because the ref on the ice decided to call it “no goal” rather than a “goal”.
And in 2010, how do we not have good enough technology to where we can eliminate any “inconclusive evidence” scenarios? Put a camera on the dasherboard at the goal line, or something.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:12 pm
@Kevin Y, Well, as a philosophy, it’s difficult, but usually there’s a lot more time left in the game than three seconds, and you don’t want the only goal scored, or the winning goal in a 2-1 game to be a bad call.
Frankly, I’m not to crazy about the rule that disallowed the goal in the first place. It seems to me there should be more to it than just the height of the stick. One thing I don’t want is for the rules to get so twisted they resemble the NFL rulebook. I think that’s one reason why (and I earnestly believe this) the NFL replay is so much worse than the NHL replay.
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But one thing: anybody who says that Toronto is BS’ing the Kings is ridiculous. Remember, Game 3 against Vancouver, everybody was saying the exact OPPOSITE! And they got the call wrong IN OUR FAVOR!
The NHL has no bias towards anybody, because they KNOW there’s much more to lose by skewing the results any one way than there is to gain by calling it right. And with the uncertainty of the CBA coming up soon, and the NHL still the lowest of the Big 4 USA sports, they simply want the best, and FAIREST, product out there.
I don’t think there’s anything on their agenda about screwing up a Kings team that’s good enough to overcome a tough loss like this! Fact of the matter is, the Kings are a good team. These kinds of things happen to everybody. Edmonton got screwed last night when a puck that went through the photographer’s camera “hole” in the class was called for delay of game. Anaheim scored on the ensuing PPG.
Remember, there was a play that occurred earlier this year, a controversial goalie interference call, that prompted one of the GMs to propose a challenge flag system. EVERYBODY has the breaks go against them. In ANY sport. The great teams are the ones who don’t let that get to them. The Kings are gonna have to be just that team, and a victory in Montreal would make us forget about this tough loss.
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What's the frequency, Kenneth? Reply:
November 22nd, 2010 at 8:14 pm
@Kevin Y, It’s not Toronto. It’s the guys on the ice…and it’s not a conspiracy (unless someone kept a replay view hidden from them.) It’s simple bias.
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Yes, the Kings didn’t play to their full potential. Occasional bad calls for penalties is one thing… but to have two legitimate goals taken away is ridiculous. All Kings fans and players have a right to be upset.
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Also… there is no way there isn’t better angle out there.
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King John Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 12:43 pm
@RobSD, one of the ice-level OTTAWA fans may have taken a picture….
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Time to take out frustrations on Montreal. Let’s shut em’ out boys.
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What is the name of the official making the last call. We should properly greet him the next time he visits Staples.
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Another defensive clinic put on by Green and Johnson….
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Is our First line is really a First line?
What does TM sees in D.King to reward him with a spot next to Kopi?! Stupid!!!!
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I agree with the line combinations mentioned earlier putting poni on the first line and putting Clifford on the third line. He had settled in well. Poni has good hands and is an offensive threat. He will help establish some cycling down low which is lacking on that line. He is a guy that kopi could make better and make that line a real threat. The stoll line should not be touched. Way too much chemistry. The fourth line with richie And Lewis and westy could actually turn into a line that chips in offensively. Now if DD could get into shape and JJ could check his ego. I don’t know is a healthy scratch or less minutes appropriate ? The lines look promising. But…
Trade for LW
Fire kampon.
Faceoff clinic
Play JQ just a bit more
Get healthy
Back on track to where we were and even better
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Get over it. If the call on the ice had been “goal”. the review would have been inconclusive as well. The play was that close. Like it or not, the ref had the best view of this one.
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