It’s “Big News Tuesday” in El Segundo. Dwight King has been called up from Manchester and Alexei Ponikarovsky is on injured reserve (no surprise there). Scott Parse is not on the ice for practice, and Dean Lombardi said Parse will have surgery to repair his groin, which was never really 100 percent after the preseason injury. Lombardi estimated that Parse might be out until February. Brayden Schenn has been sent to Manchester for a conditioning assignment that can last up to 14 days. More on all of this to come after practice…
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I had a feeling that dwight king would be the call up… though i’d also like to replace Parse on the 2nd PP unit with someone with some skill like moller or loktionov.
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fsd1 Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
@losingsand, gee, you don’t think parse has any skill? Another one of those crappy players we keep around?
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jet Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
@fsd1, you can’t push with a bad groin. It is better to get it taken care of and come back 100%. Parse can do it if he is healthy.
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fsd1 Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
@jet, i agree with you, it was the someone with skill comment
Moondoggie Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 6:02 pm
@jet, Ditto…If you’ve every tried to play hockey with a bad groin…we’ll, lets just say you can’t skate at all…You have no push off whatsoever. I actually tried to play with one once; I was literally dragging my right leg all over the ice in a warm-up when the coach benched me. It isn’t pretty, even worse to try to play with and with surgery required it must be pretty bad.
Best of luck Scotty; you played well. The Kings will still be in 1st place, waiting for ya when you get back. Speedy recovery dude!
jet Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
@fsd1, oh, okay
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Welcome King, nice name and hope you have a little of your brothers toughness as well.
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Throw DK on the Kopi line and watch him aquire the same courtesy points that Parse did…
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fsd1 Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
@Belexes, care to try and explain what you mean by courtesy points? Is it a slap at parse? And why compare King to Parse?
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Belexes Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 1:17 pm
@fsd1,
Another poster commented recently that they could have accumulated the same points that Parse had if they had been paired with Kopi/Brown. I think they were right, thats all.
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Quisp Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
@Belexes,
I think that’s about seven kinds of stupid. if anyone could do it, anyone would do it, and Kopitar would score in every game, and the Kings would be undefeated.
VanKingsFan Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
@Belexes, Moulson never could, Purcell never could, Loktionov couldn’t, Richardson couldn’t(until it was with Simmonds)… Parse was doing something right thats for sure. He scores last night because he went hard to the net, not all Kopi’s linemates did that
Matt Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
@Belexes, yeah, those courtesy points sure did accumulate for Loki & Richie /sarcasm
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ughhh kings can’t have a good season and stay healthy? wthhhh!
Another thing. Like we are doing really good this season and all but why when we lose do I still get just as mad as when we weren’t good? aha
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CameronAC Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
@Subby, you should be even more mad now that we should be winning! haha
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RabidZiggy Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
@Subby, Because now we’re expected to win, so it stings even more.
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Rich can you explain how Schenn can go to Manchester? I thought he was too young?
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Quisp Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
@kylecliffordfan,
CBA 13.8 allows a team to send players on the active roster to the AHL on conditioning loans for up to two weeks. I am actually curious how this plays out, since it’s pretty clearly an attempt to circumvent the CHL/NHL agreement (which is not publicly available as the CBA is; but which is generally paraphrased as “players with junior eligibility must play in the NHL or be returned to juniors” — with the asterisk about the nine game limit, etc.). The 2005 CBA essentially grandfathers in the CHL agreement, so violating that agreement would be a circumvention of the CBA on some pedantic, trivial level.
A player on a conditioning loan remains on the active roster though, so it doesn’t allow another body to be brought up/in.
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Will Hutchison Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
@Quisp,
Kings did this with Moller I believe
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Crash Davis Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
@Will Hutchison,
Moller, I believe, was exempt from CHL (must be 20 years old) agreement because he was a European player.
Quisp Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
@Will Hutchison,
Moller had already triggered his ELC contract when he was loaned to Manchester, and I believe that was a LTIR conditioning loan, which is technically different.
Quisp Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
@crash
moller was drafted out of canadian junior, so the CHL/NHL agreement applied to him. The European exception you’re referring to only applies if the player is drafted out of Europe.
David Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
@Quisp, Will sending Schenn to Manchester instead of the Wheat Kings not allow him to play in the upcoming world juniors if the Kings still dont want him playing at the NHL level?
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Quisp Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 3:29 pm
@David,
No. I don’t see why. In fact, I think this may be a way to stretch out his pro time so they can send him back as close to the WJCs as possible, if that’s what they choose to do…
On a conditioning loan, the player is still on the active roster, and once the loan is over, he can be returned to juniors, or go back to being a healthy scratch, or play his one game and then get returned, or just keep on playing and stay all year.
BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 4:00 pm
@Q,
“…And once the loan is over, he can be returned to juniors, or go back to being a healthy scratch, or play his one game and then get returned, or just keep on playing and stay all year.”
–What do the Kings gain in NOT SENDING SCHENN BACK TO JUNIORS?
Quisp Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
@bako
i think they would like to send him more or less directly to the WJCs if they decide to send him down. if it’s allowed (sending him to manch), that’s an interesting test I think, to see how he responds playing against grown-ups but getting real minutes. if they can do it, that would be good information to have, and good experience for him.
also — really, he might be able to enter a quick-growth mode playing eight games in manchester on the top line with moller and loktionov or kozun or whoever. maybe he does that for two weeks, kicks some a**, comes back, plays a game for the kings, and DL decides to keep him. or he doesn’t do so well, and they send him back to junior to play in the WJCs.
(also, this just occurred to me: schenn can return to play in the AHL or NHL once his junior season is over; brandon sucks right now; the sooner schenn gets back there, the better their chances of making the playoffs are; which delays his return to us/AHL. so it’s in the kings’ best interests to keep him out of brandon as long as possible. if brandon misses the playoffs, schenn is back in mid-march; if brandon goes to the memorial cup, that’s mid-june.)
mcsorleyfan Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
@Quisp, any idea if a limitation exists for how many times this can occur in a season?
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Quisp Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
@mcsorleyfan,
the only limitation I know of is that the commissioner can investigate any conditioning loan to determine if he thinks the club is trying to evade the CBA. which they are kinda-sorta.
Quisp Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
@mcsorleyfan,
but for now i would say common sense is on the kings’ side. it’s logical that schenn needs conditioning to be in game shape should they ever decide to play him again (!). not exactly what the CHL or NHL had in mind, but hey.
Moondoggie Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
@Quisp, Brilliant explanation….thx!
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Surprising news on Parse, I thought he played pretty well last night, good energy and a few decent shots..
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fsd1 Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
@iansez, towards the end of the game it took him quite a while to make it to the bench and he looked a little gimpy….
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Nice!, i just commented yesterday about when we will see King, hes a monster with some nice scoring touch, may be a great addition alongside kopi.Watched him play with lethbridge a few times size and soft hands are hard to find.
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Belexes Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
@albertakingsfan,
I know and the funny thing was I was sure that King wouldn’t be coming up, but here he is. Nice call.
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KC23 Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 7:25 pm
@albertakingsfan, Yeah, good call on that one.
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this is odd…if parse wasnt 100% why was he playing?
“reconditioning stint” interesting, im glad he will get to play.
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VanKingsFan Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
@Sebastian, He was playing because his career is potentially on the line in my opinion. He was being offered the spot on the top line and he new that you don’t get too many chances like that.
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Moondoggie Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
@Sebastian, I think that’s the key; Quisp touched on it above. He hasn’t been playing, he gets the “reconditioning assignment” which allows him to play against men rather than boys every night. If he does well at Manch, he’s back with LA, probably for the season, if not, Brandon here we come.
ANOTHER brilliant move by DL! If he doesn’t get GM of the year, I don’t know who does….
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Too bad for Parse since he was ready at the start of the season to take a significant step forward.
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Rich,
Will Schenn be eligible to actually play in the Monarchs games while on conditioning assignment?
Also, who is Dwight’s brother? Thanks in advance.
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jet Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
@Mr. Nuff, The guy who broke Boogie’s nose last year. DK is more skilled with the puck though.
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Doc. Mark 1968 Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
@jet,
Is that D.J. in St. Louis?
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kylecliffordfan Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
@Doc. Mark 1968, He is a CAp now
kylecliffordfan Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
@Mr. Nuff, Dwight’s Brother = DJ King
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Quisp Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
@Mr. Nuff,
yes, he can play in games. the monarchs have 8 games in the next two weeks.
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Yeah for DK, he has been one of the hardest workers the past few years. Hopefully, the D and skating are ready. The size is definetly ready.
I love to see the kids get a taste.
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Hopefully Parse gets well. He needs to be healthy before he can be effective.
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We simply got outplayed in SJ. Too many turnovers, blown coverage,…..bring in Lokti. PP was terrible again. Shot on net , one and done. Need better entry and passing. Lokti as QB!!
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mcsorleyfan Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
@Crashin’da net, Lokti would have been run over… Not strong enough yet; that’s why he was sent down.
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I assume that Richie will go back on the first line then? I liked him playing with Simmer, they just work really well together.
Sucks for Parse. That’s the crappy part about groin injuries, it doesn’t take much to re-injure yourself.
Too bad for Schenn, Moller, and Lokti that they’re all centers otherwise I’m sure we would see one of the coming up.
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@losingsand, The reason loki and moller arent getting the opportunity is simple, there to small and get smacked around, either they need to bulk up to play the mans game or wont make it. Parse was playing at maybe 50-75% in his few games he needs to get 100% so in his place the bigger guys that are able to match up will get the opportunity
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AZ King Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
@albertakingsfan,
Actually it’s even simpler than that. Moller and Lokti (along with Schenn) are centers. Lokti did not look comfortable playing wing earlier this year, and both TM and DL have said they want both of them to focus on playing and improving at the center position.
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Chris P. Bacon Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
@AZ King,
Moller is a winger. Played wing for his junior club, his country and of course, with us. He’s playing wing in Manchester too.
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Quisp Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
@Chris P. Bacon,
Moller is a center that has been converted to wing.
Chris P. Bacon Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
@Chris P. Bacon,
He WAS a center that was converted to wing long ago. Last time Moller played predominantly at center he was 15 or 16 years old.
AZ King Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
@Chris P. Bacon,
TM has said on more than one occasion that he sees Moller playing center in the NHL. If he’s playing wing right now that’s all well and good, but the plan for him is to develop as a center.
WOW! With this news, I wanna cry now!
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Im guessing:
Richie-Kopi-Brownie
Smitty-Stoll-JW
Cliff-Zues-Simmonds
King-Lewis-Westy
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Rock Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
@src, you’re probably right
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I think there needs to be one more call up. We are short an extra forward. Who is Extra? Just Harrold? That’s not good.
I will throw this out there. Do you think Tm might go with these lines????
Hanz-Kopi-Brown
Smyth-Stoll-Williams
Clifford-Richardson-Simmonds —(I liked how they played in the 3rd, Clifford almost got a goal.)
King-Lewis-westgarth
?????
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kylecliffordfan Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
@kylecliffordfan, At least then you don’t need Hanz to be fast. He is playing the wing and doesn’t have the defensive role as a center.. And he can also go park himself infront of the net when kopi and Brown have the puck????
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VanKingsFan Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
@kylecliffordfan, I dont like this.
Zeus biggest strengths are his face offs, and his defensive shut down Centre.
Richie is great, but he SUCKS at face offs and I would much prefer he play wing.
Just a though but can Lewis play LW??
Lewis – Kopitar – Brown
Smyth – Stoll – Williams
Clifford – Handzus – Simmonds
King – Richie – Westgarth
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Can someone tell me how Schenn can be sent to the AHL? Was he injured and is that the reason for a conditioning assignment? Or has DL found a kink in the system.
Any feed back would be appreciated.
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kylecliffordfan Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
@Dave, I guess for a conditioning assignment as long as it’s 14 days, he can be sent down. So I guess DL found a kink in the sysytem
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lostjedi Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
@Dave, he hasnt played in awhile, prolly just want him to log a ton of minutes in Manchester, get him some PT and see how he responds.
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SeattleKev Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
@Dave, Based on the CBA 13.8, with a player’s consent, he can be sent down to the minor league club for a conditioning loan not to exceed 14 days.
It does not have any kind of age limitations attached to it.
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JL20 Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
@Dave,
i wonder if they will try Schenn on the wing?
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Moondoggie Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
@Dave, Kink in the system…..Schenn hasn’t played, he gets the 14 rehab and gets to show the Kings what he can do against men in the AHL vs the kids in the WHL for the next two weeks. He’ll be playing regularly which he wasn’t able to do at LA.
Great move by DL, again!
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@dave, your right a loophole, theres room under circumstances for a junior aged player to go to the minors, much like the emergency callup that enabled him to play one game last year with the big club
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Crash Davis Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
@albertakingsfan,
Schenn actually played in Vancouver for Kings last year under a 1 game “Amateur Tryout” agreement (not emergency recall). Pretty slick.
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Rich Hammond,
Can you clear up the situation about Schenn’s conditioning assignment, assuming he plays all the games within those 14 days, does it count towards the 10 games limit?
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Quisp Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
@Chris P. Bacon,
no, for a player under 20, his contract doesn’t kick in till he plays 10 NHL games in one season. for a player over 20, it’s 10 professional (i.e. NHL or AHL) games.
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Chris P. Bacon Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
@Quisp,
10 NHL games, alrighty, thanks for clearing that up. Looking over the Monarch’s schedule, Schenn could potentially play in 8 games within his 14 day assignment. Not bad not bad
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Kingsfanone Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
@Quisp,
You DO know everything there is to know!!! Thank you for your valuable insight and explanations also! Nice posts, dude!
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Quisp Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
@Kingsfanone,
I am frequently wrong, though (apparently) not about this. I’ve been on somewhat of a CBA roll this year.
Moondoggie Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
@Quisp….Ditto…Thanx for the info brah!
http://monarchshockey.com/fullstory.php?id=3835
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PRMan Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
@fsd1, I saw there that Colten Teubert has been activated as well.
Hopefully the operative words in that sentence are not “has been”.
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Quisp Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
@PRMan,
Colten Teubert, Has-Been (activated)
That’s my laugh for the day. Thanks!
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Kingsfanone Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 9:28 pm
@Quisp,
Oooooohhhhh, now that’s not nice! But funny!
off topic but funny, here is a quote from Proteau’s latest column regarding Burke’s philosophy of “I don’t need a 5 year plan”.
Most of my thoughts on the Leafs’ struggles can be found here. I would have gone the safer route of a longer, from-the-ground-up rebuild and told fans, season-ticket holders and corporate sponsors to be patient (as if they’d have any other choice).
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Dominick Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
@jet,
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Dominick Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
My bad, I hit the wrong button.
Burke has results that should make any Toronto fan happy. He was able to make a big splash with high profile players. Rebuilding in Torornto isn’t important as long as you get the players you want. Just ask New Jersey.
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Wow can’t believe how many LW will move in 2 months on Kopitar line. This interesting and will show how good are Kopitar and Brown. I like this little challenges with which King are facing now, this should be indication how deept is in the system!
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Agame Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
@Agame, Sorry i meant: This IS interseting
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Wow!! didnt see that one coming! Im dont really watch or follow the Monarchs (even though i should if i would like to be educated about our up and comers) so i dont really have a take on DK. From what i have heard or read from the posts he seems to have some potential, so tear it up Dwight, good luck to you!
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mcsorleyfan Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
@BrokeKingsFan, well that explains why the Wesgarth position seems like a freebie… If you followed him in Manchester it’d make more sense; I see where you’re coming from, now. To give you an idea, last season his AHL numbers were very much like Brad Richardson’s NHL numbers. So, provided he can make that transition with his game… would you take that kind of production packaged in a frame that can pound snot out of just about anyone in the league, and play responsibly, I.E. not taking stupid penalties ala Ivan?
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BrokeKingsFan Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
@mcsorleyfan, I would take that any day of the week!!! thanks for the insight and back ground information. I will cut Westie some slack due to my ignorance and hope he can bring that game to our hockey club. and BTW, i wasnt disappointed with Westie’s game last night. The 4th line had some good shifts and thats what im looking for.
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mcsorleyfan Reply:
November 17th, 2010 at 4:47 pm
@BrokeKingsFan, Oh, I am looking for that as well; in that light, letting Ivan’s contract expire because you’re figuring the guy’s ready to move up, makes sense.
Things go from bad to worse. I don’t understand why King got called up though. I am not against it I just don’t understand the reasoning. You have Schenn who just got sent down, instead of being inserted into the lineup and then you have Loktionov still in Manchester. I would think one of those two guys would get the call. Even in Manchester you have guys like Meckler, Holloway, Elkins, etc. Just wondering if they saw something that was worth the call up over Lokti or inserting Schenn instead of sending him back down. Either way I hope he exceeds expectations and plays better than anyone here could expect. Yes, it is wishful thinking, but, hey, gota stay as positive as possible right.? Go Kings!
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Quisp Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
@number1fan,
King is laaaaarge, has been putting up numbers, and he’s a left wing. Clifford has potentially earned a promotion to line 3. Richie will probably play LW1.
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number1fan Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
@Quisp, Gotcha. Makes sense I suppose. You think Richie or Simmer will get promoted to the first line? It will be interesting to see if TM puts King on the 3rd line with Handzus and either Richie or Simmer, and if Clifford will move up to the 3rd line and King on the 4th. I just saw that King is 6’3″ 227. He is a big boy. Gota love players like that. Hopefully his skating ability and skill set are compared to that of a player smaller than him. If he can skate well and has good hands he will be able to hang, create some turnovers, and hopefully put some points up. I am looking forward to see what he can do!
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PRMan Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
@Quisp, Not to mention, part of the deal is to replace Poni’s size. Schenn and Loktionov can’t do that.
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Kingsfanone Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
@Quisp,
And doesn’t this move buy Lombardi time to makea decision on Schenn as well? Schenn also gets to work on things Murray wants him to work on, to see how much he can improve in a short period of time.
If he doesn’t improve, they still have 1 game to play him on the big club or send him back to junior. Dean doesn’t seem to want to send him back if he can help it, but he wants to make sure it won’t hurt him to keep him up for the rest of the season. He also has a bigger chunk if his ELC kicks in, does it not?
This just tells me Schenn is sooooo close but not quite there yet, and Dean wants to be sure.
Adding King isn’t all that bad an idea. As you say, he has nice numbers and he’s a LW, and he fits in with his size with what Dean likes. Ya never know, he may just explode that line and then Dean has a nice problem of having to keep King.
Leave it to Dean (or Solomon) to find that loophole for Schenn though. May be a win/win situation for all?
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number1fan Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
@Kingsfanone, Just wondering…Does Kings have good speed? Poni is a big gut, but he can really skate…I was just wondering because I haven’t been able to see King play at all…If he can bring quickness and grit to that third line, I think it would really help them to get going again and maybe start putting up some points. Our third line was supposed to be one of the best coming into the season and to be honest they have not lived up to the hype yet, considering it is very early into the season and you have the Poni injury right when they were developing some good chemistry, but I’m just sayin. Go Kings!
The dreaded groin pulls strike again. At least DL and TM stopped calling it a “lower body injury.” Get well soon Pony and Parse.
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mcsorleyfan Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 4:16 pm
@oldthunder, dreaded groin pull turns out to be a labral tear…
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One rumor being bandied about is that the Kings would like to see Schenn participate in the World Juniors Championships. The Canadian team starts training around the beginning of December I believe.
If he goes on this conditioning assignment, he can:
A) Remain on the Kings roster since he hasn’t yet played 9 games;
B) Get a good amount of playing time on the Manchester conditioning assignment;
C) Join the Canadian World Juniors team without having had to join the Brandon Wheat Kings first.
Kind of neat if it works out that way. He could conceivably rejoin the Kings or go back to Brandon after the New Year / World Juniors are over with.
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jet Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
@Pumpernicholl, And he can come back for May and June games.
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Quisp Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 3:46 pm
@jet,
he can come back in mid-march if brandon misses the playoffs, which is possible.
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I am actually confused, with the Schenn thing. I thought he couldnt be sent down to Manchester at all until… he turned 20.
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Pumpernicholl Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
@#1faninvegas, Please see above in the thread, it has already been answered. The long and the short of it is, a very limited-term conditioning assignment to the AHL is treated separately by the Collective Bargaining Agreement from a longer-term regular assignment to the AHL. In other words, Schenn can go for conditioning assignment only, for a short, specific term. Quisp answered this accurately with the CBA 13.8 reference, about the 15th comment from the top of the thread.
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Lombardi keeps saying that his biggest mistake was pushing Bernier into the NHL too young, now they are jerking Schenn around the same way. Just send him back to the WHL and be over with it….Eberle went back to juniors for 2 years after he was drafted and Edmonton needed him a lot more than we need Schenn.
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Pumpernicholl Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
@Nick, What makes you think they are “jerking Schenn around”? As I mentioned above, this may have been the plan all along — give him 9 games or less prior to a Mancehster conditioning stint, then World Juniors, then back to Brandon. Why not? And what’s the problem with such a program?
He has a big future with the Kings and I don’t see what the big deal is to have had Schenn get his feet wet with the Kings for a short amount of time, and get a taste of life in the Show.
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Hmm..I really want to see Dwight more. But for as much as i have seen of him, (5-7 Games, and some practices) i dont like his skating style, he seems like a second behind all the time to me. Cheers to him proving me wrong! I wish nothing but good intentions to him. Go kings!
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So as for my comments before, as and getting criticized by puck67 or whatever his screen name is. I stated that LA is the dumbest organization. This rests my case. Send a guy to Manchester where he is NOT allowed to play any games then send him to WJHC camp where he wont see a game till late dec… Congrats Lombardi, I sure hope schenn remembers this when its time to resign…
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Quisp Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 3:49 pm
@Jarrod,
of course he can play in games. otherwise, what’s the point?
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Jarrod Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
@Quisp, How can he no North American Junior aged player can play in the AHL. They have to be sent to their respected Junior teams. Thats the whole point to the CHL/NHL player transfer agreement. Check your facts!
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Quisp Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
@Jarrod,
My facts are pre-checked. Maybe you think Schenn is going to Manchester to participate in practices on Thursday and Monday? (the rest of the days being game-days.)
DougS Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
@Jarrod,
Use your noodle, dude: What happens in a conditioning assignment? Players play games to get back into game shape. If Schenn is being sent to Manchester for a “conditioning assignment” (and note the particular terminology here), then by definition, he will be playing in games.
As to how this could happen when under-20 juniors-eligible players aren’t supposed to play in the AHL, well, that’s why this is so mysterious, and why it’s such a topic of discussion. You say it’s impossible, and yet the Kings seem to be making it happen. But perhaps this use of logic is too much for you to handle. Be that as it may.
As to Schenn pouting because the Kings are “mishandling” him, well, that’s a whole other bowl of stupid that deserves a whole other comment. Short version: If Schenn is such a dickhead that he’s going to hold a grudge against the Kings for something that happened when he as a 19-year old who still hadn’t proven himself at the NHL level, then Lombardi sorely misjudged him, and he doesn’t have the sort of character that the Kings want in their players.
Kingsfanone Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
@Jarrod,
So now you know why you were getting criticized before? Maybe it is you who has it wrong?
Before you “rest your case”, make sure you are standing on solid ground. The facts are, you have YOUR facts wrong.
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Jarrod Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
@Kingsfanone, Hey I understand whats going on. Here is my question how is it possible when he is still a junior aged player if this was the case teams would be doing this more often. Most players get sent back to junior because they cant play in the AHL till their 20? Am I right? Last time I checked I was. So I just don’t understand how this can be.
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Pumpernicholl Reply:
November 16th, 2010 at 7:34 pm
@Jarrod, Dude this has baen answered already in this thread, Quisp quoted CBC 13.8 near the top of the thread to show the justification for sending Schenn to the AHL for a conditioning assignment (strictly limited-term 2-week game-playing rehabilitation stint) ONLY. Go to about the 15th comment from the top of this thread and you can find the answer.
Far from the Kings being “the dumbest organization” this is actually the Kings taking full advantage of a loophole in the rules as they are written, and actually the Kings being very crafty about smart deployment of their player, in getting Schenn the game action he needs without exceeding their 9-game NHL quota for him, before he heads off to the World Juniors.
since i don’t know alot about dwight king. if he’s a scorer he needs to be put on a line with kopi not the 4th line.
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Holy S&%! Those were some moves! Hope Scotty is ok, speedy recovery dude, we all wish ya the best….
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I think this is a brilliant move to get Schenn some playing time in Man. Schenn has nothing to prove back to Juniors. This is an opportunity for DL and the coaching staff to evaluate Schenn as a top 6 forward, playing at a higher level than juniors. Since we’re flush with the top 6 (at least at C1-Kopi and C2-Stoll), at the end of the 2-week conditioning assignment, DL can play him in a game in late Nov/early Dec and then decide if he really wants to send him back to Brandon.
I really don’t see this move as circumventing the CBA (unlike, say a $102M/17-year contract with a min. salary tail for a certain player on an Eastern conference team that’s near the basement)…
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