Drew Doughty “passed” his baseline test today and has been cleared to play.
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Harty Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 5:18 am
@KC23, this is awesome news, com’on kings lets put it to these guys from TB on thursday….
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txkingsfan Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 8:15 am
@KC23, does this mean that Doughty is just merely mediocre because he only “passed”?
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Michael_DD8 Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 9:13 am
@txkingsfan,
Rich already described this lower down. He didnt receive a”passing” Grade, he just “passed”.
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Lets go doughnuts
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Well God didnt listen to my prayers about the giants losing but he sure came through with my request on doughty.
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reyronda Reply:
November 2nd, 2010 at 7:23 pm
@Doug in Sacramento, OOOOO YaHHHHH
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I Hate Patrick Roy Reply:
November 2nd, 2010 at 10:52 pm
@Doug in Sacramento, now the kings need to win the cup in order to make the world right again.
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Puckn-A Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 9:32 am
@Doug in Sacramento, Fear the Beard!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOO SF GIANTS! Now if the Kings win the Cup my life will be complete!!!!!
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YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
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YAY!
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Great news! Kings proved they’re a legit team by winning in his absence. Would be nice to beat Tampa who always gives us trouble.
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WOOHOO!!!!!!!
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YAY! i miss that man. now let’s annihilate all opposing teams.
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Kings gonna whoop tampon bay by ’bout 3, 4 goals. guaranteed.
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Mesquite Smokie Reply:
November 2nd, 2010 at 10:39 pm
@Stone,
What do we get if they don’t live up to that guarantee?
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Stone Reply:
November 2nd, 2010 at 10:41 pm
@Mesquite Smokie, a broken heart
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Mesquite Smokie Reply:
November 2nd, 2010 at 10:52 pm
@Stone,
fair return.
Dominick Reply:
November 2nd, 2010 at 10:56 pm
@Mesquite Smokie, I say a bag skate. lol
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UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUJUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!
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Why the quotes Rich? You are not implying he didn’t actually pass but was cleared anyway are you?
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Rich Hammond Reply:
November 2nd, 2010 at 8:13 pm
Seriously? No. The “quotes” are for the idea that he didn’t take a test in school and get an “A” or “B.” The test results were sufficient for him to play, if that sounds better without quotes.
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Puckn-A Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 9:37 am
@Rich Hammond, Ahahahaha , lmao over “Seriously?”. You are too funny Rich. I hope you do write a book, it would be informative, integral and filled with intelligent humor.
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CameronAC Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 10:40 am
@Rich Hammond, haha the quotes threw me off a little bit too. good to know they dont imply anything bad though
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Great news!!! I guess Thursday we will finally see our true “top six” on D this year.
Welcome back Drew…Go Kings!
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YES! Shut down Stamkos Dewey!
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blk29 Reply:
November 2nd, 2010 at 7:55 pm
@danlikespez, Dewey Doughnuts to Stamkos; “I’ll f#@%’n hipcheck the S#!t out of you!”
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puck73 Reply:
November 2nd, 2010 at 8:15 pm
@blk29, I think Stamkos will be more frustrated with the “Shadow” Willie Mitchell.
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Mesquite Smokie Reply:
November 2nd, 2010 at 10:07 pm
@puck73,
Or the “nuclear deterent” Scud.
gkingsg99 Reply:
November 2nd, 2010 at 11:34 pm
@blk29, Hahaha yes!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TaZVZ0aTLQ
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TinaBeana Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 2:13 am
@gkingsg99, lovely comments on that video haha canuck fan, bleh
KC23 Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 8:41 am
@gkingsg99, This is my all time favorite DD youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsA4tTXgNuU&feature=related
danlikespez Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 9:31 am
@blk29, LOL!
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Mazel tov!!
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Awesome news….TBL should be a good test….dont want to under estimate them….I hope we crush them though!
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TinaBeana Reply:
November 2nd, 2010 at 7:42 pm
@Sean, “i will crush you.”
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Sean Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 3:39 am
@TinaBeana,
Grrrrrrr
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4 games in the next 2 weeks…. perfect timing
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Hopefully, DD has a teammate who will stand up for him. If I am with TB, there is a giant bullseye on DD’s back.
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Dominick Reply:
November 2nd, 2010 at 8:25 pm
@jet, Maybe even on the back of his helmet.
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Ahhh yeaaahhh…
Perfect timing since we’re driving up from SD to the game on Thursday!
Welcome back DD!
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oh hell yah!
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hope doughty wears the new helmet…couldn’t hurt (pun intended)….
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src Reply:
November 2nd, 2010 at 8:42 pm
@rontheking,
I am going to go out on a limb and say it was shoulder to chin that gave him the bell ringer. Thats my take on the hit. A new helmet wouldnt hurt Im sure.
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Tullskull Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 8:38 am
@rontheking,
I really don’t understand how “the code” is allowed to put multi million dollar assets at risk. Not sure who should make the call but someone should be demanding that ALL these guys wear the best protection possible. If the helmets aren’t good enough that I would dedicate a chunk of change and have my own study done to maximize the protection.
If it were up to “the code”, helmets would not even be worn. It is so ridiculous. There is enough risk of injury in hockey as it is.
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Alma Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 9:36 am
@rontheking, don’t know if anyone else has noticed, but all of the guys wear their helmets during warmups now… wonder if that was “mandated” somewhere…
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Best thing is, nothing personal, he really was not missed!
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OC KINGS FAN Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 7:09 am
@edwood2, i missed him alot
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jamesonafterawin Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 12:07 pm
@edwood2, I know, right.
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Best news I’ve heard all day!
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Does this mean that Muzzin gets sent back down to Manchester?
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AZ King Reply:
November 2nd, 2010 at 9:12 pm
@Andrew,
More than likely, unless TM saw something this time around that he didn’t see before they sent him down the first time. A full year in Manchester should do wonders for Muzzin.
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Yes, Now we see the Kings at full strength!
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WOOHOO !!
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The fact that this team held its own without Drew speaks to the brilliance of Dean Lombardi and the depth that he has acquired and held on to. That being said..welcome back Drew!
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Dominick Reply:
November 2nd, 2010 at 8:31 pm
@puck73, JJ being out and Dewey stepping it up, went a long way to getting him a Norris trophy nominination, at the end of the year.
DD being out and JJ stepping it up? Hopefully JJ plays this way for the rest of the year. Than they can both say thanks for getting hurt, and the Kings will have 2 strait years of nominations.
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Good to hear. But indeed the Lightning usually give us trouble. I will be happy with an OTL. Historically we will be lucky to get that. Having said that……..GO KINGS!!!!!!!!
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ashykins Reply:
November 2nd, 2010 at 8:46 pm
@blckbsct, we won our homeopener for the first time in forever! why cant we beat the lightning? Obama for change
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Matt George Reply:
November 2nd, 2010 at 8:51 pm
@ashykins,
change it back
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Dominick Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 12:33 am
@Matt George,
Too late! It’s already broken.
This is GOOD NEWS!!!!!
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Diet Coke cures concussions. DD is living proof.
Juraj Mikus must have had something to do with this as well.
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its interesting how quickly doughty and stamkos have started owning the league, what a good draft year
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I HAVE A QUESTION FOR QUISP, RICH, OR ANYONE WHO CAN ANSWER IT (In that order J/K )
RE: Schenn (Or Clifford)
If we were to keep Schenn (Or Clifford) past 9 games and lose the year on his ELC, would he then be eligible to go to Manchester? Or is it an age thing and he would still be sent back to junior. Thx!
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AZ King Reply:
November 2nd, 2010 at 9:10 pm
@Cynic,
I remember someone asking that a couple of weeks ago. I believe the answer is no, because the problem comes down to their age. They’re either here on in junior.
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BringBackTheShieldJersey Reply:
November 2nd, 2010 at 9:11 pm
@Cynic, Obviously a very good question since I’ve been wondering the same thing.
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Dominick Reply:
November 2nd, 2010 at 9:11 pm
@Cynic, Age thing. I think a waiver thing also.
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SplattDaddy Reply:
November 2nd, 2010 at 10:10 pm
@Dominick, Schenn would have to go to Juniors because he’s too young to play in Manchester at this point. Schenn could join Manchester at the end of the season only after his junior season is officially over……I think…
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Cynic Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 1:12 am
@SplattDaddy,
Well now wait a minute…
Didn’t Voynov play for Manch last year as a 19 year old? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyacheslav_Voinov
Now he played in the Russian SuperLeague as a 17 & 18 year old, so being that he was in a ‘Pro’ league already, did that make him eligible to go straight to Manchester instead of Junior?
If true, it’s not entirely about age then. This is where it gets confusing for me.
Moondoggie Reply:
November 2nd, 2010 at 10:07 pm
@Cynic, Age thing….They’d go to juniors no matter what due to age. I don’t think they have to clear waivers tho….
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Dominick Reply:
November 2nd, 2010 at 10:41 pm
@Moondoggie, I wasn’t sure on the waivers. I guess it’s just a matter of burning his ELC, because we could bring him up, or down at will then. I think sending either Clifford or Schenn down wouldn’t be the end of the world for either of them. It would just mean more playing time till they come back up.
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Mike L Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 3:47 am
@Cynic, Voynov played in Manchester because he came over from Russia. The rules don’t apply to European players who already played in the “pro” leagues.
But if there North American and are from Junior they have to either be there till they’re 20 then go to the AHL or stay in NHL over Juniors
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quisp Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 6:59 am
@Cynic,
1) When Schenn or Clifford plays in his 10th game in one season, it triggers his ELC, regardless of whether or not he is eventually sent back to juniors.
2) Triggering the contract doesn’t have an effect on being eligible to play in the AHL.
3) The reason that Schenn and Clifford can’t play in the AHL (until their junior seasons are over — like Clifford and Muzzin last year), is that the CHL has an agreement with the NHL that prohibits juniors-eligible players from playing in the AHL. It’s the NHL or back to juniors.
4) This agreement applies to players who were drafted out of juniors (i.e. were already playing in juniors when they were drafted by the Kings).
5) It does NOT apply to players who were drafted out of Europe (or for that matter out of any league that’s not the CHL). This is why Loktionov and Voynov were eligible to play in the AHL at 19.
5a) it’s not about whether he (Loktionov, Voynov) was “pro” or not in Russia. It’s about the fact that he wasn’t playing in the CHL when he was drafted. For example, Kitsyn is playing in the KHL right now, but he’s juniors-eligible (in fact he is playing in the Subway Super Series).
6) None of this has anything to do with waivers. Schenn and Clifford both are waiver-exempt.
7) last point: since they both have contracts, there’s no reason Clifford and Schenn can’t be assigned to their junior teams and then recalled, or play for another month and then reassigned. Just because their ELC kicks in doesn’t mean they can’t still play in juniors.
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AZ King Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 7:42 am
@quisp,
I just want to clarify your last point. The only way they can be recalled from juniors on a non-emergency basis is if their ELC kicks in. If they are sent back before their 10th game they can only be recalled on an emergency basis; i.e the way Schenn was last year.
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nykingfan Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 9:12 am
@AZ King,
What constitutes “emergency” basis?
I would think an injury, but I could see that being abused.
AZ King Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 10:15 am
@nykingfan,
That’s exactly what it is. I believe though it can only be used for one game.
quisp Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 10:30 am
@AZ King,
Of course I could be wrong, so factor that in. But my understanding is that if a juniors-eligible player does not have an NHL contract by the time the NHL season starts then he must return to juniors and cannot re-join the NHL club until the junior team’s season is over (i.e. he’s lost for the year). However, if the player does have a contract, then the player can be recalled at any time.
For example, Oscar Moller played 20+ games in 2008, burning a year of his contract, and then was returned to juniors for the WJC in December. He was then recalled in January (but was injured).
The agreement between the CHL and NHL is not available for us commoners, unfortunately. But my (possibly flawed) understanding is that the agreement doesn’t care about whether the NHL SPC is triggered or not.
It would be nice if this matter could be definitively settled one way or another by someone who actually knows what’s in the agreement.
Until then, I’m going to stick with my interpretation, which is that recall from juniors is possible as long as the player had a contract before the season started.
There is language to that effect somewhere (in the CBA, I thought, but I can’t find it now). I will poke around later, or maybe someone else knows what I’m thinking of.
Great news! Glad Drew is feeling like himself.
Go Kings Go!
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Believe it or not I didn’t miss Doughty and I wanted him to take more time. I’d rather him take all the time he needs to recover. We are doing great without him, so hopefully he’s 110% and not coming back early just for the sake of coming back!
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AZ King Reply:
November 2nd, 2010 at 9:30 pm
@MiniKing,
That’s kind of the reason for the baseline tests. You have to be symptom free for 48 hours before you can even take the test, and then actually pass the test before the doctors will clear you for full action.
Bottom line is no one is going to take chances with a concussion.
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nykingfan Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 9:16 am
@MiniKing,
I don’t get the feeling that they’re rushing him back. If that was the case, why not bring him back earlier?
If he’s healthy and ready to go, we do need him.
Our D has scored 1 goal and that was on a tip by the opposing D’man.
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off topic but the world lost a very great professional athlete today. Andy Irons RIP! You will be missed.
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Cry Baby Reply:
November 2nd, 2010 at 9:59 pm
@shorthanded, So sad…Andy was a good guy and great surfer.
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Dominick Reply:
November 2nd, 2010 at 10:44 pm
Rest in peace Andy.
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Is this good? (jk, THIS IS FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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off-topic, but should be a good game against tampa bay…lightning and kings are rated #1 and #2 respectively in SI’s power rankings this week….
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Why all the fuss? One of those East Coast Versus experts, Joe Beninati, said on tonight’s San Jose-Minnesota broadcast that Drew Doughty had a very strong month of October for the Kings.
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Dominick Reply:
November 2nd, 2010 at 10:47 pm
@xhockeywriter,
WHAAAAAAAAAT!
Just kidding. He probably meant Jack Johnson.
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Money!!!!!!!! Welcome back Dewey!!! Can’t wait for TB & Stamkos…..Bring em on!
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Dominick Reply:
November 2nd, 2010 at 10:48 pm
@Moondoggie,
Oh it’s already been brought’en!
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The biggest part of DD’s return will be if Jack can keep up the same intensity when he is no longer in the spotlight. Keep it going Jack!
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Reading all the comments of the day, I noticed that not one single person wished Poni a speedy recovery.
Maybe I missed one, but Hope you feel better soon Poni. Chicken Soup, and some blankets.
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TinaBeana Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 2:15 am
@Dominick, and supposedly Diet Coke fights the flu.
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Ha Ha! Fooled those Carolina trolls. Not sure if Colesy ever received a suspension…just used for effect. Hey, they did the same by saying he is an angel on skates. Colesy did cry when he was ejected though.
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Oh man, I cannot wait until Thursday. Go Kings!
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Yesss!! Just in time to take down the bolts! I love how after two nights off, we’re still in first.
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TinaBeana Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 2:16 am
@KingsKnight, it’s beautiful. we may lose that spot today tho. but we’ll regain it quickly i’m sure.
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KC23 Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 8:53 am
@KingsKnight, Yeah, Chicago and San Jose go down to defeat. We have a nice little lead in the Pacific Division.
I think if we win the division we’ll be no lower than the #2 seed in the playoffs as the central division is going to beat the crap out of each other and end up the 3rd seed.
Still think Vancouver is the class of the conference and anyone going to the Cup series is going to have to get through Vancouver. I like our chances.
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KingsKnight Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 10:28 am
@KC23, Vancouver is a strong team, but we’ve definitely proven that we can beat them so far this year. It’s a long road, but I like our chances too.
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We need that cheapshot avenged.
Check out this link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19fvaVXNSFI&feature=player_embedded
1) Obviously that hit was very late.
2) Colesy is a brusing power forward looking to put a hit on DD any time he can.
3) The play is in front of him the whole time, he may be focusing on the puck but DD is in his vision the entire time.
DD can be politically correct in public, but privately we need atonement. Dress Westgarth next time (no use for a speed team like Carolina), and let him and Clifford go to work!
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KC23 Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 1:56 am
@ToughD, Interesting view of the play. Hadn’t seen that version of it before and it does make it clear he lined up DD for the big hit. That was no accidental, “they just happened to turn into each other” deal.
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KC23 Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 1:58 am
@KC23, Also, I’m a little disappointed in Richardson not responding as he had a bird’s eye view of it.
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ToughD Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 8:46 am
@KC23, maybe…just to draw attention to the fact. But Cole is a 6’2″ 205 lb gritty power forward who is not afraid to go, I think that is a pretty big mismatch.
KC23 Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 8:54 am
@KC23, Good call ToughD. Good point.
JT Snow Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 3:06 am
@KC23,
This play could happen 5-10*/game…. No suspension warranted at all….get real guys…
Clearly none of you have played hockey competitively
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quisp Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 10:58 am
@JT Snow,
I have.
And I think it suspendable. So there.
paul Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 12:31 pm
@JT Snow,
Glad you posted this view.Great to have you back doughty.
ToughD Reply:
November 4th, 2010 at 12:18 am
@JT Snow, If you believe collisions like that happen all the time then you must mean competively via video games. Collisions happen frequently, but not cheap shots because they generally get dealt with.
So are you claiming that Cole was unaware of who he was coming into “incidental” contact with? Get real dude. Our best player…he surely had enough time to at least try to avoid him. Suspension? Probably not. But that cheap shot needs to be dealt with. Too bad that was Richardson and not a “action first, questions later” guy like Clifford or Westy. In Richardson’s defense, even at his view it probably appeared incidental. Why don’t we wait and see the next time Colesy rolls around?
ToughD Reply:
November 4th, 2010 at 12:58 am
@ToughD, We don’t play Carolina again this season, but still doesn’t mean traditional payback is out of the question. With Carolina going nowhere this season (pretty much guaranteed with Joe Corvo on D) and Cole a UFA next year, he is probably attractive trade bait. Fingers crossed.
GOT IT!
http://proicehockey.about.com/od/collegeandjuniorhockey/f/nhl_juniors.htm
This answers my question well and simple.
If Schenn/Clifford are returned before their 10th game, their NHL contract does not kick in until next year’s training camp. If they play a 10th game, their NHL contract (ELC) kicks in that year.
IF THEY ARE SENT DOWN AFTER 10 GAMES: They go back to Junior, unless they have completed 4 full seasons of junior, upon which they can go to the AHL or elsewhere. The ELC stays active and you lose that year.
A bonus from this is if the ELC kicks in after ten and that junior eligible player plays 40 games, he will be eligible for free agency a year sooner as you need 7 NHL seasons before you can become a UFA. This would make it possible for an 18 year old rookie to be a UFA at 25.
I asked about Voinov and I guess there are exceptions for Euros as in the case of VV where he was 19 and playing with the Monarchs. I’m guessing it was because he played in a pro league already and that gave him exempt status.
So, bottom line, DL needs to really think these things through to keep them both here. He could lose a year of bargaining power with both of them if they both stay.
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quisp Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 7:04 am
@Cynic,
see my response above.
it’s not true that they “lose the year” if they are sent down. that’s only true if they don’t have contracts. they have contracts.
voynov’s thing is due to not benig drafted out of the CHL. not because he played “pro.”
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Cynic Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 12:16 pm
@quisp,
OK, I figured you’d have the skinny on this stuff, which is why I asked. I’m definitely not as versed on contracts and rules, which is why I ask the ones who are.
Thanks for the great explanations (to the others as well). It is appreciated and makes the fan experience better.
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quisp Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 2:30 pm
@Cynic,
I’m trying to get clarification from the CHL on the recall issue. I now can’t find my own source for the contract/no-contract distinction, which annoys me to no end (though I clearly remember looking this up long ago when the issue was first raised…somewhere, by…someone). anyway, put an asterisk next to my comment above until I verify my own so-called facts.
Cynic Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 2:43 pm
@Quisp,
“If you were perfect, I’d call thee ‘GOD’ and proceed to imply I know more than you”
Forgot where I heard that, but I always laugh when I do.
When you get the answer, I’d like to read it. Maybe a blog item for Jewels for the Crown?
oh baby look out…….with DD back we should handle the next 3 games just fine, time for a blow out also
lets go kings
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AZ King Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 7:48 am
@Harty,
As much as I’d like to agree, I’m goint to be a little more conservative with the next two games. TB and Nashville are the two teams that always seem to give us fits, they have since they came into the league. I do beleive there is not a team that we can’t beat right now, but these next two are going to really measure our team.
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Sebastian Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 8:40 am
@AZ King, agree…TB and Nash are going to be tough games. Save the blowout for the 29th at Anaheim!
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CupRun2011 Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 8:49 am
@AZ King, and we’ve been off since Saturday…and we have 2 players that haven’t played in a while…and…:)
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KC23 Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 8:59 am
@Harty, If we get 4 pts in the next 3 games I’ll be very happy. TB is the least important of the 3 (eastern conf game) by far.
TB we have 2 new players who haven’t played for a long time, but TB will have played the night before. Might get their backup goalie.
Nashville we had big trouble with them last year and they’re better this year.
Dallas I think we should be able to handle no problem.
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Michael_DD8 Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 9:10 am
@KC23,
They dont have a clear #1 in tampa. Could get either Smith or Ellis. Id rather face Smith probably, but both good.
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BrokeKingsFan Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 10:59 am
@Michael_DD8, yeah, both have neeb putting up big #’s this year
@Cinic
The age AHL thing only applies to the CHL and their draft. VV wasn’t drafted or playing for a CHL team so he could go to Manchester underaged. The same is/was true with Loktionov. He was drafted from Europe and then played in the CHL but since he was drafted out of Europe he didn’t have to play in the CHL therefore after that first season in Windsor he went to Manchester as an underaged player. Therefore if you are drafted out of the CHL you have to return to jr’s otherwise it doesn’t apply. The same could be said of college players that turn pro.
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Cynic Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 12:20 pm
@54FIGHTING,
Yeah, that’s what Q was telling me. Seems like there is a bit of a benefit as far as freedom to dictate your career (A la Loktionov choosing to go to junior and Voinov not) by being drafted out of Europe than out of the CHL. I get why the CHL does what it does, but it almost seems unfair. Kind of gives Euros an edge to break into the NHL sooner and more hassle free than the North American kids.
Is that good for the game?
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Welcome back DD, we’ve missed seeing you play.
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parise out for 3 months, let the pain keep rolling!!
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Dan H. Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 11:54 am
@pr0cess,
they seem to be able to put someone on IR just in time to save their cap issue so far eh?
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We were “really good” without DD and now we will be “great” with him coming back.
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King's Queen Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 1:33 pm
@DesertKing, couldn’t have said it better myself!
Go Kings!
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Exellent! Go Kings!
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Thank goodness! I have been waiting to see him back with his team. Even though they are doing very well with him being absent, it’s not the same without him. We are gonna win win win! Kings Forever! <3 Becca
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OC KINGS FAN Reply:
November 3rd, 2010 at 1:41 pm
@King’s Queen, Hi babe!
LOL love that my girl is a KINGS fan.
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