In three of the past four games, the Kings have been involved in plays in which the term “supplemental discipline” has been tossed around in some form. There was Erik Cole’s hit on Drew Doughty in the Carolina game, Wayne Simmonds’ “butt-ending” of TJ Galiardi in the Colorado game and Dustin Brown’s hit on Minnesota’s Antti Miettinen last night. Cole was not penalized, while Brown and Simmonds received major penalties. In your view, have any of them been worthy of supplemental discipline?
one of those links Rich posted to game stories reported that Drew Doughty has been placed on injured reserve….
then I saw this….Jake Muzzin recalled also…
http://frozenroyalty.net/2010/10/25/la-kings-place-drew-doughty-on-injured-reserve-recall-jake-muzzin/
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Sebastian Reply:
October 26th, 2010 at 10:12 am
@Real 7, i missed it at first too…but he posted it before the game yesterday.
http://lakingsinsider.com/2010/10/25/doughty-on-i-r/
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Rich Hammond Reply:
October 26th, 2010 at 10:14 am
True…or here…
http://lakingsinsider.com/2010/10/25/doughty-on-i-r/
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Real 7 Reply:
October 26th, 2010 at 10:19 am
@Rich Hammond,
somehow I missed it….as usual you on-the-ball
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jamesonafterawin Reply:
October 26th, 2010 at 10:45 am
@Real 7, I missed it as well. Game was on a little early, was the priority!
Simmonds Maybe but the other two no.
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JGSmall Reply:
October 26th, 2010 at 10:17 am
@hockeyfanb4Gretzky, I agree. When I first saw it, the Cole play looked like he was targeting Doughty. After viewing it again, it looked like incidental contact. On the Brown play, the contact was legal but the result looked bad. Someone posted that it was “helped” along, but it was simply high body contact lifting and spinning the skater.
Simmonds was a foul. Praise the refs for seeing this as it was pretty subtle. The low hand on the stick moves about 8 inches supplying the butt end thrust. This is the only one of the three that is potentially subject to disciplinary action.
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EASportsMgt Reply:
October 26th, 2010 at 11:21 am
@JGSmall,
I have a question here, how is a butt end, any different to an eye gouge, that many times happens and rarely even gets a penatly, Ripien of the Canucks was believed to have been gouged which obvioulsly made him go off.
Some may call it a cheap shot, I call it a competitive edge. What happens to the guy Simmer butt ends next time he is on the ice with Simmer? He either tries to fight him, goes for a bad check, he will do something that is off his game. Advantage: Simmer.
If he wasn’t wearing a cup, he’s an idiot, if he was, then he sold that call.
Either way it should not be an additional penalty.
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JGSmall Reply:
October 26th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
@EASportsMgt, I am not sure, but it sounds like you may play… Have you been the recipient of a butt end to the mid-section? It will fold you over and cause spasms similar to getting the wind knocked out.
As far as a competitive edge, fouling an opponent at a recreational level will not put much of a target on your back. At the pro level, you get to meet the team enforcer. The point to that statement is that even Galiardi said that was out of character for Simmonds.
talk about a loaded question
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Mucker Reply:
October 26th, 2010 at 10:36 am
@JT, Talk about an INANE question. Of course Cole is going to be the villain – despite the fact that it was ruled accidental / incidental contact.
Sheshh!!!
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Coles hit was incidental.
Brown wasnt a hit to head, but it was blindside to a vulnerable person…
Simmonds had the most intent to do harm, even though Galiardi deserves an Oscar for that performance.
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Mucker Reply:
October 26th, 2010 at 10:40 am
@lafan13, I agree with you on Cole and Brown, but on Simmonds – it appeared to me that he was trying to slip around the linesman and let go of the top of his stick with his left had to use it as leverage against the player and with his right hand – during the backward stride / swing of his arm – caught Galiardi in the Jewels.
I’ve been popped in the gut on similar plays and it was totally accidental and unintentional.
I’ve also cup-checked players and there’s much more violence and intent in those types of plays.
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Doughty is still out while Galliardi and Miettinen didn’t miss a shift. Yet the Kings have dealt with two major penalties and two game misconducts while Cole got off Scot free for a clearly late hit that was anything but incidental. Anyone who has seen the way teams targeted DD early in the season knows that Cole intended to deliver a hit there (though he probably didn’t intend to knock him out this long).
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BrokeKingsFan Reply:
October 26th, 2010 at 10:36 am
@Seitz, i agree!! it looks to me like Cole had his sights on drew the whole time he was coming down the ice. the fact that DD turned into him just made the hit come a little sooner. If DD didnt turn into him i bet you Cole goes for the hit anyway.
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Qmungous Reply:
October 26th, 2010 at 10:58 am
@BrokeKingsFan, yup, it’s pretty clear in the replay that he was just waiting for dewey.
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GkingsG99 Reply:
October 26th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
@BrokeKingsFan, Exactly! I’ve watched it over and over again (not to mention every game we watch since then plays it) and it looks like hes eyeing him the WHOLE way from the blue line.
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lakings55 Reply:
October 26th, 2010 at 10:38 am
@Seitz,
Totally agree!!!!!!!
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Mike L Reply:
October 26th, 2010 at 11:15 am
@Seitz,
As a fan you may not like it but not being biased it was incidental contact
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Moondoggie Reply:
October 26th, 2010 at 11:41 am
@Seitz, I think your analysis is dead on….
Doughty didn’t see Cole coming; his head was down.
With Simmer, honestly I looked and looked at the tape. I couldn’t even see where he’s butt ended him. Granted, Simmer is pulling back the stick with his right hand but do you know how tough that is, butt ending with his right hand, across his body to his left?? That’s like a quarterback trying to throw a 50yd pass to his left while he’s rolling right, not an easy move to do to say the least.
Brownie’s hit was shoulder to shoulder, period.
Sure, I’m a Kings fan. But I do call them as I see them. Cole didn’t get any beach time while both Simmer & Brownie had to sit out their games. And yes, I do believe Cole’s shot was at Dewey’s head, it was intent to injure. Past history has shown us that teams are taking runs at Doughty because of the crippling effect his absence has on the team.
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I said only Cole because:
1) It was a late hit
2) It was a blindside hit
3) It resulted in a serious injury
Simmmonds: suspension NO, major yes. He did not cause serious injury (was the other guy even wearing a cup?).
Brown: Absolutely not, nothing should have been called. Brown happens to be an expert at leveling opponents, why should our team suffer for a fantastic play?
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Lime Reply:
October 26th, 2010 at 10:30 am
@Niko, Cole saw him the entire time. He didn’t even make an effort to avoid the contact. I actually think he LOWERS his shoulder to prepare for contact.
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BrokeKingsFan Reply:
October 26th, 2010 at 10:37 am
@Lime, he sure does!!
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Moondoggie Reply:
October 26th, 2010 at 11:42 am
@Niko, Nice read….
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Definitely Simmonds, if anyone. Cole’s hit on Doughty was high, but the contact was accidental and not malicious. Dustin Brown clearly hit Miettenen shoulder to shoulder. The simmonds incident clearly had the most malicious intent. As a hockey player, I know how much it hurts to take a butt end to the midsection and typically the player that got the butt end did something to piss off the person who dished it out
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Who would of thought that Cole has the most votes.. Kings bias anyone lol
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fsd1 Reply:
October 26th, 2010 at 10:21 am
@VanKingsFan, just reality
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I dont think anyone on that list should be suspended. Simmonds and Brown should get time served…..Cole should have received a penalty at least for a late hit…hes the one that got off easy.
I think some of us are making a bigger deal out of it because it was Doughty who was hurt…if maybe a 4th liner gets hit like that i dont think there would be so much anger towards Cole.
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I admit I didn’t see much of the Simmonds play. I said Cole because I still believe it wasn’t accidental. I think he was trying to hit him.
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Looking at Cole’s hit, it seems he meant to send DD little message by bumping him and mostlikely did not mean to hurt him. However, it doesn’t matter. Cole could have chose not to bump DD at all but instead chose to ratlle him a little. Unfortunately, it did more than he meant and for that he should receive supplemental discipline.
Brown saw his opponent as a threat having the puck and shooting yet chose to pull up and do enough to knock him off balance and while hitting him from the front. NO penalty.
Simmer I didn’t see but unfortunately while this action occurs frequently I’m sure, he got caught – despite what action may have provoked him.
Did anyone else see the Wild defensemen taking mild liberties on Lokti’s head against down low against the boards early on in the game? that could hav ebeen called also.
BTW, here I go again – Willy played an excellent game once more. He is going all out. Had I think two very close chances to score (fanned on one adn hit the side of the net on the other). Moreover, some of the other goals could not have occured without him. Nice work Willy!
I like Lokti on the PP. Gives Kopi room to be creative.
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Moondoggie Reply:
October 26th, 2010 at 11:48 am
@crashin’ da net, Yea, Willy has been awesome, talk about a beast! I do like that 2nd line but Lokti’s creativity is certainly paying off on the 1st line. No, I don’t see Lokti going back to Manchester at all, he is very good, a terrific playmaker. Also, he’s learning to duck out of trouble in the corners, good considering his size. Lokti is making Kopi & Brownie better players.
The Kings are 6-2 to start. I wish we could get the two losses back, particularly the game against the Flames. Two huge games remaining on this road trip, the Hawks & Stars. Just a split would be nice but win them both and…wow, what a great trip!
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PS – Wow!! Welcome back Greener!!! Back with a vengeance last nite!
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Hahaha, wow biased are we? None of those incidents deserve a suspension especially the Cole hit. Cole is made of glass and has a history of being injury prone, he also has a reputation as a clean player.I highly doubt he did that on purpose, he turned into Doughty as Doughty turned into him. However Brown skated across the ice to deliver a hit to the blindside of a vulnerable player midshot, but most posts say Cole went after Doughty on purpose but Brown’s hit was cool with them? Homers!!!! I think none of the incidents deserve a suspension, just think if they were so bad the gloves would have dropped but they didn’t in any instance.
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Puckn-A Reply:
October 26th, 2010 at 10:45 am
@Puckn-A, The whining about the Cole hit reminds me of the Ducks announcers, uneducated and biased. You are better than that fellow Kings fans.
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BrokeKingsFan Reply:
October 26th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
@Puckn-A, I dont see it as whining but giving our opinion on the subject of this post, isnt that what this site is all about? Im also a little offended by the uneducated remark. I would say Kings fans are probably some of the most educated and informed fans around. So Puckn-A dude, get off our backs!
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Puckn-A Reply:
October 26th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
@BrokeKingsFan, It was my opinion that those that posted of that opinion over reacted due to it being Doughty so technically was just another opinion which this site is for, stated in your own argument. The unedcuted comment was directly aimed specifically at those who had biased opinions and just at that particular opinion, not their knowledge of the Kings or Hockey.
ToughD Reply:
October 27th, 2010 at 12:48 am
@Puckn-A, You gotta be kidding me. The only reason gloves didn’t drop was the hit was so late the play was already back up ice. Add to that the fact that the play seemed to be incidental only because an unaware Doughty turned into Cole’s path. If you’re so into lawless blood and guts maybe you Puckn-A are a homer for cheap shots and dirty play.
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Puckn-A Reply:
October 27th, 2010 at 10:48 am
@ToughD, They had at least 1 1/2 periods to send a msg and if the Kings felt it was so cheap and dirty then they would of fought Cole to send a msg to him and the league that Drew is off limits. Did they??? Nope. You all have your panties in a bunch over incedental contact because of who got the bad end of the deal. Guarntee if it were the other way around you homers would say it was an accident. That Cole should keep his head up and Doughty isn’t that type of player. I don’t wish for players to get hurt but I also like hockey to stay hockey and not turn into the NBA, where if you cough on a star player a foul is called.
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ToughD Reply:
October 28th, 2010 at 12:07 am
@Puckn-A, even in post-game interview players were saying they did not know what happened. That hit was so late the play and everybody’s attention was already up ice. Add to the fact that it “appeared” incidental only because Doughty turned into his path unawares. But watch the replay and you see Cole’s true intentions…the play was in front of him the entire time, he could have avoided him. Unless you expect an injured Doughty to return to the dressing room crying and bitching about a cheap shot? I don’t care if any player has his head up or down, a late cheap shot is a dirty play.
ToughD Reply:
October 27th, 2010 at 1:01 am
@Puckn-A, You gotta be kidding me. So are you saying Cole, a 6-2 205 pounder power forward, now plays like Susan Lucci because he is injury prone? I think it’s safe to say if he is he wouldn’t be in the NHL. He is exactly the type of player who is not gonna pass up a chance to lay the body on Doughty. Maybe his intent wasn’t for a cheap shot but he sure delivered one, he was targeting Doughty the whole time.
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ToughD Reply:
October 27th, 2010 at 1:52 am
@Puckn-A, Brown’s hit was 100% legal.
Cole’s hit does not fall under new rules regarding hits to head. But should cheap shots/dirty play continue to be tolerated in today’s game? I’m not talking about fistacuffs here.
Simmer’s hit, well has he even commented about the incident? Please say it isn’t so, Simmers. It looks like he deserves the major and possible suspension…just as Cole deserves.
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I said “nobody”.
Cole: Big contact that led to an unfortunate injury.
Simmonds: Not really that bad in the first place
Brown: Deserving of a penalty because of viotent contact, and from the blindside, but surely looks shoulder-on-shoulder.
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And for all the guys out here saying Cole: You CAN’T just suspend a player because he gets injured. Sometimes injuries happen. For example: if you trip a player, and he slides into the boards, breaks his leg, and misses six weeks, you can’t suspend the player just because an injury happened. And you can’t suspend a player for tripping.
It’s unfortunate that Doughty got injured, but you KNOW Cole wasn’t trying to injure him. It was just a bad result from an open-ice “hockey hit”.
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fsd1 Reply:
October 26th, 2010 at 11:26 am
@Kevin Y, How do I KNOW he wasnt trying to hurt him, are you friends with him and he told you that?
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TheLove of the Game Reply:
October 27th, 2010 at 8:30 am
@fsd1, Really?? How do you know that HE WAS trying to hurt him… Really? Cole has had a number of questionable hits throughout his career… NOT!! That is how one could say that he wasn’t trying to hurt Doughty
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fsd1 Reply:
October 26th, 2010 at 11:27 am
@Kevin Y, Actually an open ice interference hit at the least, dd didnt have the puck for at least 3 strides
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BrokeKingsFan Reply:
October 26th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
@fsd1, Agreed, Agreed, and Agreed!!!!!
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Partisan results
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I see what you did there.
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I don’t care what color my glasses are colored, I saw cole looking at DD before he turned so I think he meant to clock him.
Had they suspended Wayne I wouldn’t have complained, will have to see on brown, if they do, please keep it consistent, but after Letang I don’t think they will.
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I voted for Simmonds because one thing I hate most is homers who can never admit their team is ever guilty of anything. It’s like Devils fans (some of whom are also Yahoo bloggers) that gloated about their genius GM signing Kovy who now act like they were really impartial about that whole affair. Or Ducks fans that rave about their team toughness when their top line guys take stupid penalties.
But Simmonds butt ending a guys manhood just being incidental? That one was 50/50 and maybe he didn’t mean to hit him in the family jewels but of the three choices it’s the only one worthy of any follow up. Probably not suspension because it was hard from video to see any intent. But maybe a small fine (5k) just to drive home point that you need to be in control of your stick regardless of intent.
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fsd1 Reply:
October 26th, 2010 at 11:37 am
@JB, ok, then are you also saying the forward swung high stick that hit Ryan in the face should be looked at? certainly had control of his stick as it hit him in the face? hmmmmm….
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JB Reply:
October 26th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
@fsd1, High sticks are different than butt ending hence the rules for high sticking start at just a minor.
For butt ending it starts at a double minor for attempting. Actually butt ending someone is a Major and the rules say nothing about intent. So it was right call. I think supplementary comes in play because it was to a dangerous area where your stick shouldn’t be in the first place.
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LA Times reporting no suspension for Brownie, confirmed by Kings front office.
I’m sure Rich will have more to say soon.
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I picked Wayne Simmonds, giving benefit of the doubt to Cole, as per the league description, but also assuming Simmonds’ butt-ending was actually also as described. It bothers me he wouldn’t talk about it.
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IMO it was a wrong call. The rules don’t say that it HAS to be a hit to the head, but at least it should have been targeted. Dustin Brown, one of the league’s best hitters sees a lonely guy that he can hit any way he wants. And you are telling me that IF Brown WAS TARGETING the head, that he would have MISSED IT?! Let’s be serious. If Brown was targeting the head, he would have hit it 19 out 20 in that situation. So Brown was not TARGETING the head and he didn’t HIT the head. So why major and game misconduct? The refs made a mistake and the league covered it.
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Also replay proves my words (and Brown’s words) clearly. He did everything to avoid hitting the head, keeping the elbow low. We are making a mistake to analyze the situation from the replays and say “it was so fast, it was only 5 inches, too dangerous…” Brown knows a thing or two about hits and he knew that he was not going to hit the head. For him that was a perfectly safe hit to do, because he has done it hundreds of times in NHL. It’s like sentencing a circus owner to jail, because his employees are checking lion’s tongue from a distance that the rest of us believe to be too dangerous.
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I voted for Simmons just because Butt-Ending has NO PLACE in the game, it’s just a bush league play! For the folks that say Cole was tracking Doughty make it sound like Cole was just deliberatly out there to hurt Doughty.. If you can show where Cole ahs done that before please let me know… This is just terrible, you kings fans say you are unbiased and you are intelligent about hockey.. Come onnnnnnn!! That is what you do when your back-checking you track the person with the puck to try to get the puck back.. That’s kind of the object of the game, lose the puck fight to get it back. You can clearly see that both Cole and Doughty were turning to get back in the play Cole on the fore-check and Doughty on the back check because being on “D” he’s NOW out of position. Just because Cole looked up in time to brace himself and Doughty didn’t, Cole deserves a suspension..?? Nobody whined on the ice, no one dropped the gloves with Cole when it happened and no one said anything until well after the game.. That’s what happens in hockey people run into each other at great speed.. Its A GREAT and BEAUTIFUL and VIOLENT SPORT!! I love it all!!
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Puckn-A Reply:
October 27th, 2010 at 11:13 am
@TheLove of the Game, I’m with you but CSI L.A. isn’t. You see, they could tell by the look in Coles eyes he was out to injure Drew , they even took ice splatter evidence and it points to malicious intent. He also was shooting mind bullets at Kopitar, but we are waiting for the Ghost Hunters balistic team to finalize their results.
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ToughD Reply:
October 28th, 2010 at 1:18 am
@Puckn-A, Equally absurd is painting Cole as some sort of an angel. I guess by calling him injury prone you have officially annoitted him his wings…fly, fly away my delicate little butterfly.
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ToughD Reply:
October 28th, 2010 at 12:30 am
@TheLove of the Game, Every player commits penalties in the game, and some of them stupid. Is a Cole a dirty player? Maybe not, but he certainly isn’t gonna win the Lady Byng award any time soon.
Remember this one? Back in 2002, and that’s 2002 when there was more of an “anything goes” attitude, during a game against Ottawa he “cheap shot’d” dman Chris Phillips and got a Major boarding penalty and game misconduct. And if I remember correctly, Colesy cried about the 3 game suspension he received.
I guess the league didn’t want to tangle with crybaby Colesy again.
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