With two roster spots presumably open for the following five players, what do you think? Who should make it at the start of the season? I’ll withhold my opinion for now, as to not influence any voting…
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I said Lokti and Hickey but let me qualify with I haven’t seen them in practice and I’ve only seen on streaming which is quite a bit less visual than my normal 52″ HD watching experience.
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Eric C. Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
@Dan H.,
I agree with both those pics. I’m a little more torn on Lokti vs. Schenn, but I think both can be successful. Hickey has looked better to me than Muzzin.
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badGoltending Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 5:38 pm
@Dan H., LOKTI over schenn and Hickey over Muzzin.
schenn isn’t ready. Lokti has good offensive skill.
Lokti sees the ice really well.
Schenn should go back to Juniors.
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tantrum4 Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 11:46 pm
@badGoltending,
Totally disagree. You can tell Schenn isn’t ready by watching him play one preseason game? Wow I wish I was as good as you at evaluating future NHL talent.
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Dan H. Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 9:13 am
@tantrum4,
Will you be as snarky at TM and DL if he goes down next week?
Just an honest question. This is an opinion, not fact here we’re dealing with. TM and DL are the only real opinions that matter.
is this assuming Clifford has already been assured a spot?
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oldthunder Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
@ian, I think this was for centers, Clifford is a winger I believe.
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I feel people just want Schenn on this team jut because of his hype, and because he was a first rounder. Schenn will be apart of our team, but i dont think he should be put infront of Lokti. Lokti has been stunning this camp and has worked for the spot. Until he dissapoints, i feel he should have the look. He proved he can play with kopitar and the book boyss.
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istilmiszhitnik Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
@Michael_DD8, This one was a toss up but the main reason I voted for Schenn, and I’m sure there are others, is because otherwise it’s back to juniors where he can’t learn much more.
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Kevco Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
@istilmiszhitnik,
Schenn cant go to AHL, only jr, while Lokti can go to either AHL or NHL. So its better to have Schenn up here and send Lokti can come in as needed. At least thats my idea, but I’m no GM
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istilmiszhitnik Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
@Kevco,
Thats what I was trying to say, maybe I phrased it incorrectly.
Trouble Maker Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
@Michael_DD8, It really comes down to “Would time in Brandon for Schenn vs time in Manchester for Loki. Which is a better scenario?”
I think Schenn in Brandon does not help. But Loki in Manchester, given all his lost time last year, doesnt hurt.
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djspock92 Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 1:56 am
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KC23 Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
@Michael_DD8,
Yep, I agree. Loktionov is the better player at this moment, but Schenn is very close.
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jet Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 8:20 pm
@KC23, so why do you not want to take the best player. Schenn will still have the national team and the playoffs. It is not like the year is a wash out.
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KC23 Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 12:32 am
@jet,
I never said or even inferred that I didn’t want the better player. I think Loktionov is the best choice and the better player atm … just not by much.
I voted for Schenn and Hickey
It’s something about 1st round picks that interests me the most. They were first rounders for a reason and the fact that they are playing well enough to have a real shot at making the team, I’d like to see them both make it.
If not, I’ll root my ass off for Loktionov and Muzzin.
I realize Lewis was a 1st rd pick, but in his time up (small sample) he hasn’t impressed me in the least. I would rather see the other 2 get the chace to show whether they can be big time NHL players.
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Michael_DD8 Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
@nykingfan,
Ugh as i want to say first round means nothing! but it does mean a little. But when your talking about making a NHL team, screw which round you came, all about how you perform and prove to the club, in that sense, Lokti showed hes ready.
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nykingfan Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
@Michael_DD8,
You’re right..but Schenn has been impressive as well. Should he be denied because he is a 1st rd pick?
I haven’t seen any of them in camp, so I can only go by what i read. The coach has raved about both.
The choice will be up to TM/DL and I trust they’ll make the choice based on who gives us the best chance to win.
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I voted for lokti because he was more responsible in both ends, plus schenn fumbled two -2 on 1s. Let schenn play in the juniors and minors then
Bring him up when he is 21-22 so he can dominate right out of the box just like with bernie
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I voted Schenn but I think Loki and him are even. Should someone go down in the middle of the season we can always call up Loktionov, right?
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Seitz Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
@MR King,
This is why I would vote for Schenn. If he can’t cut it after nine games, he can be sent to juniors and Lokti can be recalled. But if Lokti is kept and there’s an issue, Schenn can’t be called up to take his place. If for sake of argument the two are dead even, I think the roster flexibility, at least for the first three weeks of the season, breaks it in Schenn’s favor.
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i was the game last night…i would like to see lokti center the 2nd line either in vegas or anaheim to make a real decision between him and Schenn. For now I still give him the edge…hes played in Manchester (although he was injured). On D, the choice is clear…Hickey.
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This will probably get me a lot of criticism, but I’d like to keep both Loktionov AND Schenn. Get rid of Stoll. Yeah he can win faceoffs, but over 3 million a year for a guy who CONSTANTLY shoots high and wide is a bit ridiculous. I don’t believe last night’s game was just a fluke. They scored like crazy, they fought, and they all around looked good. That was without Greene and Scuderi.
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Mickey Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
@Ashley, yes but it was also against Ducks scrubs…. we will need faceoff wins at some point, although if Schenn can do it, then you ship Stoll…
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Primakov Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
@Mickey,
It wasn’t against the Ducks’ scrubs.
Danny Syvret, Josh Green, Maxime Macenauer, and maybe Cam Fowler were the only players dressed that wouldn’t be on their opening night roster. It may have been the #2 goalie in net, but the fact is that it was their starters getting thrashed on the ice.
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Eric C. Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
@Ashley, I agree that in a perfect world Stoll would be traded, or at least wouldn’t be paid so much. He doesn’t fill the shoes of a 2nd line center in my opinion and Schenn and Lokti need higher roles than 4th line center.
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I voted Schenn… only because his only other option is Juniors.. Loki can go to Manch and be called up if Schenn does not perform. On the other hand, with Parse and his limited skating this pre-season, we could keep them both for a little bit as well…
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My two cents:
The case can be made for both centers, but I took Schenn because he has the hard nose style that TM loves. Lokti is a great talent, but playing 4th line minutes as a finesse player is not going to be productive for him. Schenn plays with a meaner streak that TM would love for his “energy” 4th line.
The case for Hickey and Muzzin is different. We have 3 stay at home defensemen (once Green is back) and 2 offensive defensemen. I think TM may lean towards a more offensive pair with Whisky because it gives us a balanced attack and potentially a stronger second PP unit after DD and JMFJ. I like both of their games, but I’d give the edge to Hickey.
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Puckn-A Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
@oldthunder, Best assessment so far imho.
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If the brass is serious about a cup run in the next two years, they need to let go of the wubby journeyman players that have filled the roster while the kids were growing up.
The kids have grown up.
Parse, Whiskey, Harold, Westy, Clune will continue to be serviceable journeymen players, but none will ever be great players.
The kids in last nights game are all showing that they will be much more than journeymen players. They will be very good in their roles, and some have elite potential.
These are the kids we need to be serious cup contenders, and the next wave will be ready for next summer etc. Now is the time to give them the experience they need to hoist the cup. No team wins the cup with a bunch of rookies on the roster.
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rontheking Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
@Token,
I wouldn’t lump Parse in with the others–look at his numbers compared to the others. He’s only comparable inasmuch as games played in the NHL–and his numbers are exceptional for that very same category. He’s a 2nd year guy.
And if that doesn’t work for you, go to TSN fantasy player ratings and look at his rating as an NHL player. The NHL world seems to have a much higher opinion of him than some kings fans–and the only reason I think some kings fans don’t like him is because they think the coach doesn’t like him….
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KC23 Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 12:44 am
@rontheking,
I agree. Parse’s plus minus was exceptional and often had important goals with the game in flux. I don’t care for the way Murray is handeling Parse in the press or movement with the lines.
It has hurt his confidence, he comes accross as the kind of player that responses better to positive reinforcement, not negative and fear tactics.
Parse’s most recent interview really disappointed me as he came accross very unsure of himself. I seems a reflection more of how he has been treated by the coaching staff, rather than what he has or hasn’t done on the ice imho.
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jet Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 8:32 pm
@Token, I respectifully disagree. With the cap, you do not want 4 top players have their ELC expire on the same year. It would reduce your flexibility. The role players are essential to a championship team as they are cheap which allows you to keep more top end guys. The situation will be even tougher with the new contract. I would not want to be a GM next summer.
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You know whats awesome?! Possibly being wrong about my picks and knowing that this team is still going to kill it! If there were no choices to make and any one of these guys were the only choice we had…we’d still be in great shape!
Ahhh…the good old days of stewing over useless picks like Pavel Rosa, Vitali Yachmenev, and Aki Berg are long gone my friends. Bwahahahah!
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Longtime Kings fan Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 10:05 pm
@TB, You know your Kings hockey. There aren’t too many fans who remember the names you mentioned. Aki wasn’t bad….but sometimes seemed like he was a deer in headlights. But I remember (as I’m sure you do)…some great picks we gave away…like Larry Murphy, and traded high picks for dreck. Finally our scouts for drafts seems to have improved. Now we have an abundance of talent, putting them together into a cohesive unit with the right mix of youth and maturity and toughness in net will be the next secret recipe to produce a winner. I think we’ve been patient fans. Don’t you think?
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Would love to have Schenn,Loktionov,Clifford and Hickey on the roster all together. Sacrifice Parse,Richardson,Stoll and Harrold. It was good but time for them to move on & make space for the better.
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MR King Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 8:31 pm
@Dude,
I don’t think Richardson belongs on that list. He has been exceptional in LA.
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Longtime Kings fan Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 10:08 pm
@MR King, Agree. Richardson and Stoll should remain. I think Harrold and Parse are decent and should be kept if the Kings didn’t have better replacements…but I’d give the young guys a chance in the NHL first… Harrold and Drewiske are weak links in the D. Harrold is good because he can play D and Forward…he is a utility guy.
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KC23 Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 12:47 am
@Dude,
Richardson? Wow, don’t agree at all. Richardson is exceptional (except on faceoffs)and far better than any of those young guys at this stage.
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Lokti and Hickey. I’d love to see Lokti center the second line Sat. night. The guy has looked good, and I like his will and creativeness. He’s beefed up a bit. Build some more hunger in Schenn, see how he handles the disappointment. We got worked in the circles last night without Stoll, but heck shop him in a package (of the right players) for a sniper. Can Schenn be called up from Jrs. In a couple of months if need be, or only Manchester guys?
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art Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
@Brian D.,
I’d like to see both Lokti and Schenn make the team. I wouldn’t mind trading Stoll, Drewiske, and maybe Williams in a deal. Maybe we could get Vanek out of Buffalo with that and give Kopitar a sniper. It would give us a legit top line and depth throughout the lineup.
If we are a year ahead of schedule as DL suggests, then it’s time to make a run for the cup.
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I went Schenn and Hickey.
While I feel while Lokti is a step ahead of Schenn offensively, I feel Schenn is a bit more polished all around and needs to be with this team now. G
oing back to junior will do Schenn zero good, much akin to Bernier being in Manch another season, there is no need.
At least we can send Loktionov back to the AHL and still have the option of recall later due to injury or under performance of another player.
Hickey, I am sold on for the offensive angle he brings from the blueline. He just seems to have it a bit more than Muzzin and we need that offensive breakout to start strong from within our zone. That tone is set by the dmen and Hickey is the right guy for the job. This will help our 5 on 5 issues I think.
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408kingfan Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 8:51 pm
@Barrie G, Its not about doing Schenn good its about winning a Stanley Cup in LA right?
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I picked Schenn as he deserves the 9 games to take a look. If it’s too much and he’s not getting quality time, exposure back to Juniors and Loki is in the wings. Can Loki play a spot besides center? Honestly I’d be ok keeping both and let Harrold go down or deal him.
On D I go w/ Hickey for the threat on PP. Mitchell, Scud, Greene and Drewiske give us enough shut down guys. Muzzin’s time though is close.
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I voted Hickey and Loktionov, but Schenn is very close. I’d like to keep them both and let one play the wing. I’d say that a 4th line of Richardson-Schenn-Loktionov would produce some points and improve our 5 on 5 scoring, which is what we lack. We’d be able put a strong line out there each shift. My feeling is that Schenn will stick because of that role and juniors situation, but I think Loktionov deserves a spot somewhere on the roster. Either way, the future looks very bright.
I’d also like to add that I think Hickey is the better puck mover and skater and will be a very good complement to Matt Greene.
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I voted Schenn mainly based on the available roster moved. If Loktionov is sent down to Manchester he can be moved up and down at will. I am sure injuries will dictate him playing a good chunk in L.A.. If Schenn gets sent down he is gone for good and will definitely take away some depth for the team this year.
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I say we keep Hickey replace Drewisky with Muzzin and get rid of Stoll and keep Loktinov and schen…
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Getting rid of Stoll is not a good idea. He is probably the best face-off guy on the Kings, for one thing. He is versatile and gives you a strong-puckhandling power play point guy for another. Third, he is smart & experienced. Fourth, whatever offense Stoll can bring will be much appreciated and needed on this squad. Converting Loktionov to a wing & keeping Stoll & Schenn both on the squad is maybe the best idea.
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In last nights game, Lokti > Schenn. Very smooth, great passing and scored a fantastic goal. I know it’s not all about scoring, but when you are playing for your job, you better be on that score sheet.
I picked Muzzin, but think they would both be great. Would rather see both of them make it at DD2′s expense.
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Sorry Rich, but I think BOTH Hickey and Muzzin should stay… I think Drewiske should be the 7th guy, and I think Peter Harrold should be desirable on the Island… or any island
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puck73 Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 8:36 am
@Marc Nathan, Just sit right back and you’ll here a tale a…..Peter Harold on Gilligans Island?
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Yeah, I got both of them right, or I voted for the most voted for I should say.
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Schenn for 9 games, then Loki
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two good separate points on why Schenn is the better choice. Neither has anything two do with either player being better, as it appears to be as close to a wash as you can get.
1) Keep your options open. If we go with Lokti, and a center goes down with injury, we are left with players who are still showing rough edges in camp. If we go with Schenn, we will certainly not be in bad shape at the fourth line, and we have a polished, effective player to call up at the center position. If a scoring line center goes down mid-year, Schenn and Lokti can compete for the scoring line opportunity. This choice could save our season in the event of an injury to Stoll or Zus.
2) Development. Both of these guys are playing a polished, high level game. At the same time, both still have areas to improve. It is equally important that the two continue to develop, and it is clear that both guys are at a level where continued development needs them to be surrounded with pros. Playing against pros. Playing next to pros. Above all, the thing lacking for BOTH of these players is time spent with veteran mentoring. Lokti can get that in the AHL. Schenn cannot get it anywhere but the NHL.
Schenn goes to the NHL. Strong chance that either he, or Lokti, will replace(injury) or displace(poor performance) Stoll. Really, they are both ready to do so in every area but faceoffs. If one should prove competent in the faceoff circle, Stoll becomes expendable, and becomes part of a veteran/prospect/pick package at the deadline, possibly getting us a sniping winger. If that plays out, both these guys get a good deal of experience this year, probably including a playoff run, leaving us with a very strong, experienced, and hungry lineup for next year.
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KC23 Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 1:02 am
@Bill M., Great arguments. You changed my mind on the Schenn Vs Lot, but I was forgetting the fact that Schenn couldn’t be called up if sent back to the Jr’s.
Hey this is fun. Too many good players.
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I’d give Schenn the 9 game try out and see how he does. If he plays well…great. Lokti could get his chance due to unforseen injuries.
If he’s not adjusting, he goes back to Juniors before his NHL contract kicks in and call up Lokti.
As for Hickey vs. Muzzin…tough call. They both seem to be pretty solid prospects. My instinct says keep Hickey for now.
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Lewis sucks no clue how he is still fighting for a roster spot. Hickey would be nice to see considering all the hype and still haven’t seen him play. And schenn will be in the NHL one day so for me no rush to see him hope he is a better #1 pick then Lewis and hope he can stay healthy go kings!!
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Please stop with the stoll bashing guys.If the play offs started today we would be 1st round and out again.Did anyone notice our face off #s,and we need defensive play in the 3rd.Shut down D to go further.
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Bill M. Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 5:12 pm
@rumpa#19, I don’t think that anybody is actually BASHING Stoll. Nobody says he plays poorly. Its not like hes a Randy Jones, that cost us games, he just isn’t somebody who wins games, because he can’t put the puck in the net consistent enough for a second line center.
A prospect will step up eventually, who can bring what Stoll does, and also put the puck in the net with a little more consistency. Once that happens, there isn’t any other roster spot for Stoll to fill, and he will be trade bait.
It’s true that Stoll wins faceoffs. But he’s a crutch in that regard. We shouldn’t need him, because the other three centers should step up and have decent faceoff stats. We won’t win a cup with one guy who is fantastic at face offs. What are we going to do? have him take every single face off, and then send out the scorers to finish the shift? We need a prospect to step up as a true #2 center. Responsible, decent face off numbers, and able to put the puck in the net at least often enough that the opposing D can’t afford to focus everything on Kopi.
Somebody will make that leap, and once they do, Stoll will get pushed and have to compete with Zus for third line center, a battle that I don’t think Stoll can win. Stoll is not a bad player, but with our prospects maturing, Stoll is simply the odd man out.
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rumpa#19 Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 8:46 pm
@Bill M.,Liked the reply ,and the comment above.I have seen bad comments so repeated that i generalized a bit.Schenn can be sent down 9 games from .lets give it a chance and we have all season to play lotki.After last seasons preseason that’s a give in.If he fails ok lotki ,makes sense.Lotki plays wing also by the way.Hickey is an lock right now because of type of D.Injurys happen thats for certain.Lets just see what happens.
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Ok, Who are the fifty wise-guys that voted in the centers poll and didn’t bother to vote in the D poll?
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To me it seems easy…..Keep both Lokti and Schenn.Both are terrific and Id like them together on 4th line with Richarson, Im assuming we keep Clifford also. Of course keep Stoll. Let Harrold go. Keep Hickey and Muzzin for now.
I also want a sniper,sometime this year, still and would accept a trade that DM thinks is reasonable. I trust DM judgement on who he gives up. He knows the young guys we have have a strong commraderie and a respect for the jersy of the kings. I believe he wont mess up that in any way.Further more I see Schenn and or Lokti being a mini sniper, as Parse could be too.( One of these could score 35 goals.) I for one would like them all on the team to see who flourishes. I think Lokti has the best hands.
But I dont see anyone except Kopitar now on the kings scoring more than 50 goals. I think Kopitar only can if he gets a true sniper and Id like us to trade for a proven one. ( Of course that probably wont happen till mid season) Im sure another team could be interested in some of our draft talent.
The team looked terrific last night. Fast smooth and furious for most of the game. JJ was fantastic and I want to lock him up !!!!!!!!!
Goalies—well I see Bernier as a superstar goalie and Quick as a very good goalie.
IM excited for the season but I think we need one more piece. Lastly we need to keep Stoll as face off man period !!! Also I expect he is going to have a better year and hit the net more often …just my prediction . He has to be aware so many of us have critisized him. If it was me heck id go out and try and miss the net and I bet it would hit the net a lot more.
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jet Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 8:40 pm
@ezepace, Dean Martin?
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ezepace Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 10:33 pm
@jet, My Bad..DL
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Lokti & Hicks….It’s real close but I think Lokti has a better shot & puck control than Scheen, the same for Hickey. Lokti just may be that sniper the Kings have been looking for. I like all four players and the two that don’t make the team this year will make the team next year, no doubt.
I haven’t been real impressed with DD2; the two turnovers in the Kings end could have really hurt the club. If DD2 doesn’t start playing better, I’d bring Muzzin up in a heartbeat.
Don’t be too tough on Parse. I think Scotty has a breakout season, hopefully and we will see.
LGK!!!
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Off topic, but it looks like The Hockey News website crashed. Any chance they switched to the same server as the Kings did?
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Schenn & Hickey
Schenn because he will be solid in 4th line roll. Lotki I really like but I think he is better suited for top 6. Lotki will be called up if Parse faulters.
Hickey because he comes off very confident with the puck. I think we need to get this kid in there. He is ready for next stage of development.
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Concerning the centers. It’s Schenn over Lokti. Only because Schenn would have to go back to Junior and he has nothing left to prove in juniors. While Lokti can still come and go from Manchester and develop in Pro hockey.
Anyone know when last roster cuts are coming?
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Moondoggie Reply:
September 29th, 2010 at 8:24 pm
@Mike L, How about bringing up Schenn for 9 games and see how he does? If he sticks for the nine, he stays, kind of a tryout. If he doesn’t and Lokti is putting up numbers at Manchester which I’m certain he will, you bring him up. Plus there’s the question about Parse; he’s going to have to prove himself and if he doesn’t, we’ve got kids in the wings waiting to come up, the same for Clifford. Either way, the Kings win.
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Rich — Does Schenn have 8 games or nine games. I am thinking that the emergency call up game counts.
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For me it comes down to winning, so my pick is Lotki and Hickey
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Off topic… But is it just me or objectively speaking does the Duck jerseys just look dumb? I mean the font size for the logo on the front is like 12 point while the numbers on the back are like 144 point.
Weirdness.
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Seattle3211 Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 11:26 am
@Shakes,
The Ducks look dumb regardless, but I think their white jerseys make the font appear smaller.
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Schenn for first 9 games with the 2nd line.he will show what a talnt he is . Playing only against the best can make you the best. Look at jmfj after the olympics ,his improvement. Stoll to the 4th line &. Pp. Lokti lost every faceoff against the ducks. He needs to work on that,& or play some more left wing in manchester for at least the start of the season. Dl still could make a trade,but you have to like the choices. Is hickey ready ? Murp said he likes the improvement of going d to o.
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DL has a bit of a tendency to go with seniority so I would not be surprised to see Lokti and Hickey. I think the defensive decision will be based on needs physical vs puck moving.
I am happy to have this conversation…
Was it killer to see the 4th line cycle down low and actually play with the pucks on their sticks instead of chasing the whole time. Think if the Kings have 4th liners that chip in a few goals, that will help the 5 on 5 play!
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I have watched two pre-season games so far. Davis Drewiske has looked terrible. I would keep both Muzzin and Hickey as the third pairing, both players are an upgrade over Drewiske IMO.
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I would hate to be Murray and the coaching staff this year.
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Shakes Reply:
September 30th, 2010 at 10:24 am
@Scootty,
Correction: Murray & Co have a high quality problem on their hands. I would hate to be the Ducks staff this year…
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