alt="LA Kings Insider with Rich Hammond" />It doesn’t appear as though there will be any Ilya Kovalchuk drama this afternoon or tonight. Kovalchuk’s agent, Jay Grossman, was scheduled to return to New York today, but beyond that, it doesn’t appear that anything has changed. Onward to Day 15, it seems.
In local news, for those curious about the players’ summer plans, a handful of current Kings will start their summer workouts in El Segundo next week. You might remember that last year’s summer work was touted by coaches and players as a significant time for team bonding, and this year, approximately half the team is scheduled to show up, at one point or another, during the next two weeks. That’s roughly the same number as last year, I believe.
Will IK be there…sorry, I couldn’t resist!!
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LBlocal Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 8:10 PM
@TO ALL, As a friendly reminder, the circus is in town.. Relevant?? Perhaps.. If you need an escape (to regain sanity), I highly recommend it.
http://lakingsinsider.com/2010/07/12/all-quiet/#comment-137072
But, in these trying times. During the dog days of summer (without hockey). It’s always better to laugh, than cry..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-ZtI5CDrrg
gkg!
Droll, yeah… Cerebral synapses; misfiring.
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Rich, will Kovalchuk be working out with the boys? ;)
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Any word on negotiations with Richardson?
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EASportsMgt Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 5:40 PM
@nykingfan,
It is up to Richardson’s agent to sunmit an offer back to DL. DL sent him the qualifyng offer at the minimum allowed so that the start salary can come from Richie and not vice versa. I dont think Richie’s agent has submitted their offer.
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nykingfan Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 5:51 PM
@EASportsMgt,
thanks for the info
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Saw that coming…..but this is interesting….. http://www.jewelsfromthecrown.com/2010/7/14/1569440/a-fly-on-lombardis-wall
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Matt R Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 5:27 PM
@v918,
Interesting read. I’m sure I’ve got something all wrong here, but in regards to why LAK management might not like the idea of the deferred bonus, if there is a lockout that year, they’re paying Kovi for nothing, if there isn’t a lockout that year, aren’t they then paying Kovi more than they would if there weren’t a lockout? Yes it’s only $1m more than the other option, but it’s $11m more than the OTHER option of no bonus and no salary if there is a lockout. If that’s correct, sounds like a win-win for Kovi, and lose-lose for the Kings.
God help the NHL if there’s another lockout.
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5holer Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 5:49 PM
@Matt R, The moral of this story is what could the sports world be like without lawyers (rhetorical). I doubt IK cares much about such minutia, considering his player status vs. MBA in Finance. Look Out for “Fear of Fehr” and its well perceived. The mayans say World as we know it ends in 2012, same can be said for “Fear of Fehr” era! Its over in 2012 for NHL, if its Fear Fehr Days!! So now what about that signing bonus in 2012 please?
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USHA#17 Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 6:07 PM
@5holer,
Huh? Since this sounds entertaining would you please enlighten me as what the heck your taking about? (and no, I don’t mean the Mayan stuff) :-)
DougS Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 10:02 PM
@USHA#17,
Donald Fehr, the former head of the MLB Players’ Association, is becoming a powerful dude in the NHLPA. He was a real hardass.
If Fehr takes charge of the NHLPA going into the 2012 negotiations, I understand why 5holer is worried. He’s going to play chicken with the owners, and the fact that another labor stoppage with destroy the NHL concerns him not a bit. He’s a professional labor negotiator, and what concerns him is putting notches in his belt.
EASportsMgt Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 5:55 PM
@v918, and @Quisp
Thanks for posting that. Good comments and good feedback.
Also in regards to the bonus, my understanding of that was that Kovi would take a smaller salary in order to accomdate the large bonus. But still the total value or total dollars paid was far north of what management was comfortable with on that deal.
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Well thats disappointing. Thanks for the updates Rich.
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Oh dear……..
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I keep saying I’m done with this drama, but I keep on refreshing…
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Wow, this is brutal!
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Interesting Grossman stayed behind. Other sources were saying that he got on a plane and went back home to NYC.
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By the way, I don’t post often but thanks Rich for everything you do for the fans. It’s great to have somewhere to go for truthful Kings info.
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Thanks Rich,
As time moves forward I get more comortable with the thought of not having Kovalchuk as a King. He just doesn’t strike me as a guy who’s willing to do what it takes to win. Character means lot, and I don’t think IK has enough of it to build around.
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Does “Grossman scheduled back to NY today” mean he DIDN’T leave LA last night???
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fan4life Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 6:36 PM
@Andrew,
key word WAS
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Moving on…..
What are our options on D? We lost 2 starters in Jones and O’donnel. Mitchell looks like a good option but the concussion worries me, Sutton was brought up in other threads as an option but I read that he has mobility issues. At the same time we have 2-3 defensemen in the system who could be starters next year in Drewiskie, Voynov, and apparently Muzzin. I think we need to get one Vet Defensemen who would be slated as a starter but could ride in the press box if the young kid(s) are ready. So who do you guys think is our best bet, I am not considering trades here because that could be just about anyone. Kabarle in my opinion is a non option, the price would be too high and we already have a good starting 4 with JJ, DD, RS, and MG.
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jet Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 10:37 PM
@Bobo, I thought Sutton be a good addition, while mobility is an issue, it is no greater than OD last season. He has a harder shot than OD, but may not have the leadership (see OD knocking the crap out of the Islander who he Drew during preseason). I think he would fit with Frannson fairly well if Frannson can play on the right. I think the price would be right.
Morrisonn would be a great #4, but would probably be too expensive.
Seidenburg would also be good, but Boston over paid so he would be expensive but probably available now that they are in cap purgatory.
Johnsson or Mitchell would be helpful if they have unscrambled. Scuds was a perfect fit last season. I do not see one this year. Can any of these play better on the right side?
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Hmmm. First I read that Kovi and Jay left at the same time. Then I hear that Kovi left first and Jay followed soon after. Now it’s for sure that Jay has been here for a good while. Could be good. Probably staying behind to work out the last details. Ok…I’m done with this until tomorrow. Thanks for even the smallest of info, Rich.
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Ugh. Kill me now.
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Tomorrow we should all pretend that Kovi doesn’t exist. No one mentions him or anything relating to him. Even if he signs. No one talks about him for one whole day.
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tuan jim Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 5:29 PM
@Matt R,
Get serious. Not talk about Kovy for one whole day?
Every guy on this site would have to be on chlorpromazine for that to happen.
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Rich:
So say Kovi doesnt sign. When is DL going to start executing plan b? The longer he waits the less likely we are going to be able to pick up anything worth while. When does DL pull the plug altogether? Last I checked the kings have signed NO- ONE.
thanks,
and put me out of my misery. this is making me crazy
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Arggghhhhh! At this point even if we sign the guy I will still feel like someone who finds out their spouse is cheating on them: Might be possible to forgive, but never forget! You’re killing me IK!
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P*SS on Kovalchuk! Fill that with an ‘A’ or an ‘I’, however you wish. Enough is enough. Let him sign for half as much with the Isles and turn JMFJ loose on him on the ice. Put him through the boards a few times and maybe he’ll wish he signed with a team that has as much drive as our boys.
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I was wondering if Frolov was invited? :)
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Kopi and DD had better get in shape this summer. Ease off on Grandma Kopi’s pancakes, ya?
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Thanks Rich! Glad to hear they’re doing this again this summer.
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…….for whom the bell tolls.
Is the heading suppoased to mean IK likes Metallica?
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AAAAAAAAAAhhhhhhhhhh!
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Will the UFA’S be allowed to particapatein the summer workouts,Frolov or any of the boys from the Monarchs?
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I hope Kopi is coming. He made some great improvements last summer and if he can build on that by working with teammates again this summer he’ll be closer to finishing amongst the top 5 scorers.
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tuan jim Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 5:32 PM
@Gary Livingston,
If he hadn’t had that horrible stretch where he couldn’t put it into the net even without a goaltender in front of it, he would have made the top five.
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Mike L Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 5:35 PM
@Gary Livingston,
Most of his immediate family live in LA now, so I would assume so
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EASportsMgt Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 6:18 PM
@Mike L,
I could be wrong but I remember the Rich interview with Kopi at the exit meetings and Kopi said he would work out this summer back home and not here now that he knows what he has to do and how to do it. I think he said he was given a an exercise routine by the trainer and he would stay home all summer.
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Gary Livingston Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 7:22 PM
@EASportsMgt,
That is what caused me to post above.
=) I imagine him getting better results doing it both ways and not just out on his own.
For as long as this saga has gone on, I think I am officially done. I’ll check back every so often, to see when he signs, but no more refreshing frantically for me, no sir. I start to get the feeling Kovalchuk will wait until the very last day of free agency to sign – just for kicks. Let’s hope not. Well, Thanks anyway Rich! Keep up the fantastic work.
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Bill “Cowboy” Flett.
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I’m curious at what point the kings get tired of this, and not just frustrated or deans poker playing bluffs but actually the plug and just move on to trades? It seems there might be more than dean at work here with TL taking kovi to dinner. That seems in conflict with deans old school pov. You come here to play, take the money or don’t.
Also somebody send kovi and fro Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations. I don’t think the Russians have a grasp of supply and demand even if they grew up post Berlin Wall.
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Rich, I sure do appreciate the update, even though it’s not the big news I was hoping for. Thanks for freeing up the rest of my evening. Of course I’ll be back here tomorrow, hitting the refresh button, anticipating any new word from you. You really are the best.
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if the stumbling block in the kovi negotiations is the 3rd year lockout threat and paying him for not playing… get kovi to wash DL’s car once a week so he’s doing something to earn the money and get the deal done already… this waiting to hear something either way isn’t fun anymore!!!
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with or with out him we will compete for the cup… with him a lot faster…
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I was wondering…
I was wondering how impressed IK was with his visit? watching the ESPYs on TV and seeing all the huge production DOWNTOWN NEXT to STAPLES, I can’t help but think this has helped us(LA) with IK’s impression of our organization, as well as MLB ALL STAR game festivities. would this help him to settle for less?
I WONDER if IK leaving a day early before his agent was planned?(heck i dunno if this is even true) The Perception of “DL’s GUY” leaving town for a “prior engagement”. That could be perceived as losing him to the general hockey public.(loyal kings fans,prospective GMs, and more)
I WONDER if DL would feel(or cares) the added pressure from the idea of loyal kings fans, and organizational supporters as well as the KINGS people within the organization of IK leaving town backlash.
I WONDER if Grossman told IK to leave town before him, and that’d GROSSMAN would stay to work on IK’s deal, only to leave a day or two later to come home to IK with his best effort of negotiation.
I WONDER why my season tix went up $128 per 200 level seat, and where all that extra mula is going to?(mula for IK?? Doughty, Simmonds)
I WONDER if this hangup is all because of the threat of the CBA and it’s aftermath effects. what a shame, get it done $7 mil Commish.
I WONDER if we can still afford Frolov after all of this.dumb idea i know.
I WONDER, having just getting back from VEGAS, why the KINGS are a 16/1 and the DEVILS are 15/1 to win the cup. and how much it would change when/if and how much IT’ll change when IK signs.
I DON’T WONDER if this is a strategic plan of events of tactics that Grossman, has perfected in his tenure as a successful sports Agent; I KNOW IT IS!!! DL is an Agent for the kings, Grossman is an agent for IK.. both are very very good at what they do. hence maybe the reason for the 14 days of negotiating or 14day poker tournament.
I DON”T WONDER if Grossman has sent Jersey a new offer based on his visit to LA. I’m sure he didnt tell JERSEY LA’s Real offer but an inflated, more lucrative deal. (raise you DL). JERSEY hand, CHECK? RAISE? or ALL IN? of course not likely due to Parise future considerations IMHO…
sorry, I was just wondering…
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We’re frustrated as fans, but I’m pretty certain nobody involved in trying to get this deal done is frustrated. It seems like if a deal is reached, both sides will be pleased with it. These are professionals, and this is a decision for Kovalchuk that basically comes down to where he will likely be for the rest of his career, a permanent residence for his family as well as his probably last contract. If either side was frustrated, this would be over by now. I think both sides want to work out a deal, we just have to wait and see if it can be done. As much as it feels like torture now, its probably best in the long run that each side took their time should they come to an agreement.
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5holer Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 5:58 PM
@Linda M., Yes much to be said for your sentiments, but….No, this is not the real world with IK and DL and respective crews. In real world people are nice and considerate of feelings, so skip it. Its lawyer speak, and good lawyers are not nice at all. This is a Rat Race for the money, the glory and finishing up a fine resume with great entries in the text! Power play hockey it is with no one in the box yet! Wish our Congress was as good at this strategy! Oops, did I say that?
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OneTimer Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 8:09 AM
@5holer,
Don’t forget too that our own GM, Dean Lombardi is no slouch of a lawyer as well. DL graduated (with honors) from Tulane Univ, specializing in labor law. (Oh- and he also initially worked as a Sports Agent working/learning under the legendary Art Kaminsky.)
I read on ESPN.com that Grossman is actually considered a very good, very well respected Agent. And while he may not have played his “2010 market value” trump card very well- this is also his biggest client, so naturally he’s been looking for the biggest payday possible- and has been dreaming, planning and scheming over this one for what- 2-3 years now?
My point is … I’m really not surprised at all – considering the “players” involved here – that this card game has dragged on and on and on. And on.
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I’m thinking Rich knows something we don’t.
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Scootty Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 6:02 PM
@Scootty,
Or I should say, knows something that he can’t tell us.
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I would much rather have a Gagne and Sharp then a Kovy, and it’s less risky.
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puck73 Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 10:09 AM
@Jeff, 100% Agree. Those 2 guys, then sign Mitchell to replace ODonnell and let one of the young guys grab the 6th spot and whoever else makes the team, perhaps Schenn and Clifford? and this will be a team to be reckoned with this coming season!
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The elite franchises would of got this deal done by day 3. We have a good young team, with a chance to be great, hope DL doesn’t screw this up. Like the rest of u die-hard fans I’m pulling my hair out.
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Gary Livingston Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 7:30 PM
@Pesus,
New Jersey still doesn’t have it done. So…so much for your opinion. =P
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OneTimer Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 8:21 AM
@Pesus,
Let me correct your statement for you partner…
“The elite franchises [BEFORE the salary cap] would of got this deal done by day 3.”
You’re welcome. Carry on.
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That’s it for me, I’m back to once a day checks with no expectations what so ever.
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Wow I see many moves going on all over the NHL..this team picked up this guy..that team made this move..this team is ding that..and the KINGS have picked up…wait for it…wait for it…wait…..NO ONE!!!!!!
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eking Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 7:15 PM
@illegalstick33,
That shows you how deep this franchise is right now !! Why break that up ? O’donnel was a winner,but a stop gap defense man.Look behind him.
The Kings are bringing in the best Goon in the NHL!! Look at his families history.
What’s his name.The kings insider said he will make the team this year !! Prove me wrong .
Hint : think westcoast hockey. That might have thrown you off:.)
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TVA333 Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 8:59 PM
@illegalstick33, I think it just goes to show how deeply invested DL, and the kings organization is in Kovalchuk, and that being said… I fully expect to see Kovi “crowned” by weeks end. DL is a monster of a businessman, and I don’t doubt that he has an elaborate list of top 4 D-men in line, once Kovi’s ink dries… Just look at how he’s drafted through out his career… the man is brilliant when it comes to finding a “fit ” for his system. I think DL played this all perfectly. I’m sure he knew that if he sat back and waited for the rest of the league to pick up the hottest UFA’s and pursued Kovi (the way he has) that he’d still get what he wants… The player that no one is suspecting… The Dark horse trade, that DL’s had on his mind for 2 years.. I’m not worried.. And either way… I still thank God every day, for the Los Angeles Kings! in Dean We Trust!
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If this doesn’t get done I will be convinced that this was a calculated maneuver by mgmt to give a facade of post season activity when in reality they had no plan B and no real desire to spend money. Another season of status quo to come with maybe a first round appearance.
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Here is what I find interesting. With all the Kovi talk, nothing is said about Fro. NHL.com calls him “the best wing not named Kovulchuk available”. So, is he just waiting to see what is up with Kovi, or what? My thoughts are that he would come back at a reasonable rate if Kovi signs, probably a lot higher if he doesn’t.
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Kevin Y Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 7:14 PM
@edwood2,
Frolov’s waiting… and I think that’s a good play by him.
He knows that if the Kings lose out on Kovalchuk, DL may come crawling back to him. Frolov would have a lot of leverage if Kovi doesn’t come here.
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Newf Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 7:19 PM
@Kevin Y, a possibility i like to think of is that if the Kings get IK, then Fro might be tempted to stay for a lower price than he was asking.
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As I have said before in the past, getting Kovlachuk isn’t a do or die for the Kings. The Kings still managed to get 101 points with a relatively inexperienced core and dead weight (Frolov) on the wing. I would not be disappointed at all if they couldn’t reach an agreement with Kovy. I also don’t see the need to add any D-men either since anybody would be better than Randy Jones and Sean o’donnell.
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Can we keep frolov?
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What the hell?!?!?!
Just end this already…
Kovalchuk will be a King by the end of the week, I feel it.
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I still hope we can get the guy. If we do, he becomes a key figure in “the core” we keep talking about. Doughty, Kopi and Kovi would be the central key figures followed by others who would be in the next rung outside of the bulls-eye. I’m sure DL has a dartboard diagram dealing with what I am talking about.
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Sands of the hour glass and so these are the days of our lives……
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I’m a kings fan since we were booing Gretzky in the cheap seats. The Kings need a a relocated fan living in Vegas now. Offense is needed but don’t mortgage the future for the present. As a lifelong SD sports fan I’ve learned defense rules. Keep the core in place and compliment with players commited to the same cause. Please bring a major championship to a team I follow …ie… Kings Chargers Padres.
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Starting to look like the DL bashers are gonna win this round. DL: Great at getting high draft picks and setting up a development program. Weak at courting/signing free agents and player trades.
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Joe_Dirt Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 8:04 PM
@KC23,
and how is that DL bashing? Unless you agree that McCauley, Clouts, Blake, JW, Jones, Wilsie are all good pickups then I think people here are just stating the obvious.
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LBlocal Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 9:13 PM
@Joe_Dirt, I’m somewhat certain that you are familiar with the term “bridge player”.. A DL often used simile..
That one phrase may BE the reason as to why UFA’s don’t want to sign with LA.
And, oh, by the way… This is NOT 2007. It’s a whole different hockey game, NOW.
gkg!
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Gislaw Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 9:33 PM
@Joe_Dirt,
Don’t forget Big Joe in San Jose!
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Will plan z be there? Like Roenik,Brindamour,Sydor,McSorley.
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Miller 29 Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 8:06 PM
@Puckin-A,
Roenick is out of shape and sucks
Brindamour and Sydor no longer have the legs
McSorley recently had back surgery
Sounds like DL’s type of Free Agent acquisitions! Do it Deano like you do best!
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Kevin Y Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 9:26 PM
@Miller 29,
Of course, Brind’Amour and Sydor both just retired…
Crap, the longer this goes on, the more I’m afraid that Denis Gauthier might not have played his final game as a King *gags*
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Kovy’s new song…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVObzBFpIFU
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It looks like that Grossman is going back East to work the Islanders and Devils again. He’ll either get movement from one of them or not. My guess is not, and he’ll come back to bargain with DL.
I think DL has made as best of an offer as he can while keeping the team intact. Once again this is not an example of AEG being cheap, but constraints of the cap.
DL is sticking to his objective. If IK will go somewhere else for more dough, so be it…
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Kevin Y Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 9:23 PM
@Steve S.,
I read somewhere (don’t remember) that Grossman lives in New York. So I’m not sure how much that really means to the Devils and Islanders.
After all, Kovalchuk’s home is Florida, and I don’t think the Panthers are really a threat to our chances of signing him.
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even old teammates cant get news from kovi…
Elias told NHL.com’s Mike Morreale that he sent Kovalchuk a text message last week when it seemed like Kovalchuk was leaning toward taking a reported offer from the Devils valued at $60 million over seven years.
“I texted him a couple of days ago, but got no response,” Elias told Morreale. “I think he’s getting a lot of those. I just told him I heard he was coming back and that I hoped it was true and that was it. I didn’t get any response.”
i hope the response he gets back is “no signing with LA”!! get it done DL worry about 2012 – 2013 when it gets here!!
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You know, up until this last trip, I was convinced Kovalchuk was gonna be a King. Now, I’m convinced he won’t be. It’s time to move on, we’re not getting him. Neither side is gonna budge and neither side is gonna crawl to each other. It’s time to re-sign Frolov and pick up some guys via trade.
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Sky Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 9:11 PM
@USCG,
Why aren’t your still convinced? There has been no news to suspect talks are over. This is a pretty big deal for both sides. It makes perfect sense for them to take their time
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The Kings should have given Ray Whitney an offer. He’s no IK, but he would have been cheap and not a money-hungry primadonna.
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TVA333 Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 9:03 PM
@friarking, Gone…
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DougS Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 10:08 PM
@friarking,
The last I heard, Ray Whitney nixed a trade deadline deal to come to Los Angeles unless the Kings extended him with a 3-year deal.
Sounds a bit primadonna-ish to me.
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friarking Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 11:08 PM
@DougS, He ended up signing a 2 year deal with Phoenix. Unlike IK, he saw the righting on the wall and compromised.
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DougS Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 12:29 AM
@friarking,
Considering that he’s 38, a 2-year deal is still pretty generous. It’s only slightly less outlandish than insisting on a 3-year deal.
Man, I can’t even think about Richardson. I have Kovalchuk Disorder. It causes short masturbatory urges and skin cutting. I’m gonna have “refresh” tatooed on my forehead. If he doesn’t sign with Kings, can you imagine the boos this dude gets at Staples? Another bummer is that other FA’s DL could have gone after are signed during the chase for Kovi. I still think that New Jersey is too defensive a team to be a great place to play for him. God willing this ends soon. If he wants to win and be an offensive wonder, I still say he picks the Kings.
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hey this might be a dumb question, but when’s the last day of free agency?
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Scootty Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 8:37 PM
@Kopi-chuk,
I believe it’s Dec. 1st.
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Kevin Y Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 9:18 PM
@Kopi-chuk,
Is there one?
(I guess it’s not that dumb a question after all).
By the way, Scootty, Mats Sundin signed with the Canucks on December 18 of 2008, so if there is a deadline, it’s later than December 1.
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Scootty Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 9:37 PM
@Kevin Y,
There is one. I thought it was Dec. 1st, but I was obviously wrong. I know it’s sometime in December though.
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Kopi-chuk Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 9:50 PM
@Scootty, So i guess i should put Kovalchuk on my christmas list.
Time to see what DL can get from the Chicago fire-sale, maybe Poni & Afinogenov as UFAs, or there will be a lot of Monarchs at Staples. Kovi may pull a Lindros here and refuse to play where he belongs at this rate.
DL owes us his best effort at building a team. At some point, the best effort expended at Kovi is maxed out and it is time to switch to Plan B at the risk of having nothing. Taking nothing away from his skills, they aren’t worth much if he won’t suit up.
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There is an odd silence around the web. Nothing has been posted, or even mentioned in the later night about Kovalchuk. Very interesting. We shall see, shant we?
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Rich,
Is Dean available for comment or is he on his way to Colorado? :)
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I’ve held off posting anything for the past 14 days mostly as a battle between myself. I told myself I would follow, but remain patiently impatient and keep myself from getting caught up. Ya, right. I’m with most of you constantly checking and refreshing. But as we approach another day, I have a proposition that I haven’t seen posed nearly as much.
A couple of days ago when CHI announced it would match Hjalmarsson’s offer sheet it became obvious more bodies would be moving. And into my head popped “Patrick Sharp, come on down!”
He is a sniper in his prime and he has a very manageable cap hit at 3.9 per for the next two seasons. All he would cost are a couple of valuable prospects from the Kings’ now loaded farm system as the deal would be a salary dump for CHI.
Honestly, how can this not have immediately become plan B? Heck, he could even be plan A.2 as he could be packaged in a 3-way deal to land the Kings that 4th D-man the so badly covet.
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gene Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 9:22 PM
@ArmChairKingsFan, I like it, thinking ahead and out of the box. But DL is stuck on one thing and cant do two things at once.
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nykingfan Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 5:03 AM
@ArmChairKingsFan,
I love Patrick Sharp but forget the notion that a couple of valuable prospects is all it will take to get him. His contract is not a cap killer at the moment, which means pretty much every team in the NHL can and will be in on the trade sweepstakes. I seriously doubt Kings or anyone else will be able to get him without surrendering Good,young, cheap NHL talent, plus valuabele prospects.
Simmonds would almost certainly be a part of that deal and assume they’ll want a guy like Bernier as well.
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It JUST hit me!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DffS4szr1cw
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Cynic Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 10:16 PM
@Bobby Scribe,
For those with Metal hearts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrjQAMFlvIQ
Time Marches On in the chorus. Does that count?
This could be a trend Bobby!
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JPKelly Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 10:21 PM
@Bobby Scribe,
Sorry, but I don’t think we’ll be hearing this one at Staples Center any time soon.
Drrrr drrr drrr drrrrrrrrrrrrr.
GONG!
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This is a complete joke. Just like two first graders, either sign him or dont. The kings are the only team I believe who have not helped themselves at all and it is now July 14. DL either sign him or go and get some help thru trades or free agency. This is a joke and way beyond stupid.
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CaptainCrunch Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 9:33 PM
@gene cowles, Really? The Blackhawks? Yeah, they really made themselves better. Detroit? They’ve re-signed Bertuzzi. Boston has added no one new via free agency. The Ducks-Tony Lydman, I could go on.
Besides Vancouver and Pittsburgh, who has really done anything via Free Agency?
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Kevin Y Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 9:59 PM
@CaptainCrunch,
Right on.
Only teams I’ve seen improve in the “offseason” are Vancouver, Pittsburgh, the Atlanta Blackhawks… really, Tampa looks better with Ellis and Kubina.
And I really like Halak in St. Louis. Think MTL picked the wrong goaltender to move, and STL should look great in between the pipes.
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kingfish Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 10:28 PM
@Kevin Y,
The Atlanta Blackhawks!!!
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
Traded for a Pick Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 10:08 PM
@CaptainCrunch,
In terms of actually signing/trading anyone, the Kings are the one team that have literally done nothing
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CaptainCrunch Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 8:24 AM
@Traded for a Pick, And they are the one team in serious negotiations with best UFA available. Would you rather have the Kings doing something else?
tuan jim Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 5:24 PM
@Traded for a Pick,
and if we don’t get Kovy we’re gonna be much the same team next year but WITHOUT Fro’s considerable skills and OD’s stability.
Even if we wanted to re-sign Fro, what would he cost in comparison with that psychotic Minnesota contract with Koivu?
The Mayans? The world as we know it ends in 2012? Dude! I guess that will make the Kings the last team to win the Cup! Ever! Cowabunga! Paint my ass stoked!!!
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flex Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 10:36 PM
@JPKelly, actualy in original source (Armenian “epos” much older than mayan) it’s 2013,not an end,but a majore correction…and trust me that is serious.For many that would be “the end” and yes,King could be the last winner,only if they sign KOVALCHOOK (chook.not chuck..btw)
SO,from that viewpoint all this are meaningless.
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5holer Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 5:02 PM
@JPKelly, Or maybe the first in the new world?!! Lord Stanley will be young, renewed and all shined up with a clean slate…So Dude you can paint me Hopeful in either world! Who are the Armenian “epos” anyway? Seriously! So whose calendar is better?
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everyone has to relax. This isn’t a run of the mil contract
1. Kovalchuk is negotiating a retirement contract. If I was doing this the I’s would be dotted and the T’s crossed
2. D.L is negotiating the largest contract in Kings history. He has variables to work around like cap space, tight ssA owners, and a young team with oters tat will want to see large raises.
3. the NHL has to approve a contract – they will have to be very imaginative, especially with a possible work stoppage in the near future.
4. Now both parties are working on this, Kovy even went as far to come for a visit. D.L is going to see the boss, and we have heard no confirmed rumors of this deal not being close in the last few days. Lets se what the nex few days bring
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JPKelly Reply:
July 14th, 2010 at 10:34 PM
@funky,
What is more… enlightening?
DL on LSD?
Kovi on LSD?
Grossman on LSD?
Bob Miller on LSD?
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Only one question:
Do you think Brownie gave Kovi a peak at his LAK butt tattoo?
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Viewing this website has become an addiction
Any chance of signing Fro
As Scarlett said:”Tomorrow is another day”
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The one thing that most of us are overlooking…
Despite all the hoopla, there are a few grains of sand getting stirred up on Santa Monica Beach tonight that will witness a certain rite of passage for your daughter/son/sister/brother/niece/nephew/neighbor/friend/future comrade, such that this ridiculous game is put in its ridiculous little place.
May the world keep turning…
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USCG Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 9:19 AM
@JPKelly, um…what?
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Puckin-A Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 9:42 AM
@USCG, Ahahaha I think he was refereeing to sex on the beach. If so kinda creepy.
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Last night i got a reply back saying that these trade rumorS are getting to me… YEAH!.. I’ve been a Kings fan since day one, 1967 .. Last year was a FUN year to watch Kings hockey..Now i know that the majority of us here want to see our boys do good every year .. I really wanted Kovi to come here,but i also knew that he wasn’t the only alternative..I agreed with ArmchairKingsfan that Patrick Sharp would a more less expensive pickup.. Along with Stempniak and i love the Savard/Wheeler package….It’s not Kovi,but to pick up 2 to maybe 3 players for the price of Kovi… instant upgrade…
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anonandonanon Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 8:20 AM
@kfan,
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@EAsportmgt,
What are your thoughts about owners and the league trying everything in their power to avoid another lockout? Seems like it would be a disaster for the sport considering the attention hockey has gotten from the olympics this year to the great finals and tv ratings for both. As well the winter classic being a hit. It would just be such a huge loss of momentum. Feels like they are still recovering from the last one. What do you think the sticking points would be in negotiations? As I mentioned in an earlier post it would be way less of a disturbance IMO to just keep the cap idle for a few years rather than lower it, until it catches back up to where (the owners?) think it should be. eventually its the same effect. or lower it 1-1.5 mil per year for a few then let it idle for a few.
What do you think?, regards
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scvking Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 8:47 AM
@kingfish,
Not to butt in here, but a few thoughts on a potential stoppage…
The league, according to specualtion, may want to lower the salary cap. From what I gather, that is the main threat to labor peace. Perhaps there may be some tweaking of other issues, but I would guess that is the main issue.
For as much as your commment makes sense about it not being in the best interest of the league to have another stoppage, that seldom seems to enter into the thinking, at least from the perspective of the owners.
The real key to the next CBA is whether or not Donald Fehr ends up being the next union leader. (That has been rumored, but I don’t believe it is final, yet). Fehr had been the head of the MLB players union and was not the slightest bit shy about using strikes to gain negotiating advantages, and during his time, MLB had numerous strikes and lockouts. He is a very effective leader for the players, but his entry into the hockey world does not bode well for labor peace.
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Now I don’t want to be a Debby Downer but like idk this isn’t looking good. My hopes need some direction right now. :[
and why hasn’t Frolov done anything? I reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllly want him back. ALMOST as bad as I want Kovy here.
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Sky Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 12:07 AM
@Subby,
Why isn’t it looking good? We have had no DL, TL, or Hammond quotes that have said that things are rocky. Take Dean going to Denver to meet Uncle Phil as Dean trying to get a massive contract greenlighted.
Things like this don’t happen overnight, Since it’s taking so long I would guess it would be a rather large contract in money and in years. It’s a big deal for both sides. The kings are going to spend a lot of money on this guy and he is going to be getting a lot of money. Why wouldn’t they want to take their time and make sure everything is good.
Since July 1st, have we really heard any credible rumors that he was negotiating with other teams? There was the Devils offer and then the phantom Islanders offer, that’s it. As far as I’ve read there have been no talks between him and other teams as much as there have been with the Kings.
He wants to play here, he just wants big money.
Have faith in Dean that he hasn’t publicly walked away from the table. He’s been in this since day one.
Until Hammond says the deal is dead, the deal isn’t dead
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NOW IMPRESSED Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 9:31 AM
@Sky, An ominous silence in L.A.?
07.13.2010 / 9:18 p.m. ET
The silence out of Los Angeles is deafening.
While Kings writer Rich Hammond reports that the team is maintaining its silence concerning Ilya Kovalchuk, Helene Elliott of the Los Angeles Times said via Twitter that the deal may be dead, “this time for good.” The holdup, she reports, is money.
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HEY HEY NOW SIMMA DOWN NOW! Kovi went home on Monday correct? Why would he go home first and his agent stay behind? He went home to get his clothes for more than just a sleep over at Deans house. He will be moving here soon and everyone will be happy. Remember who said this because when it happens I want some computer high fives.
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KingKovi Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 12:35 AM
@Dazed N Confused, I’m down to give you one right now! I completely agree with you. This will all be over day 17 or 18, at the latest! And Frolov?? Why Frolov he’s to expensive and unconsistant, better to save the money.
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Dear Illya,
Why say “no” when if feels soooo good to say “yes?”
Sign the freakin contract already!
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I’m tired of this!!
I’m gonna go waste my time on the British Open website, at least when I hit refresh there something changes.
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Going to see TOOL tonight, so I at least get one night off from this nerve racking drama. Wonder what the hold up is at this point?Shouldn’t both sides have a pretty good idea of what each other wants by now and what each is willing to give or take? TOOL TOOL TOOL TOOL TOOL TOOL TOOL TOOL TOOL TOOL TOOL TOOL!
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I beleive Judge Smails may have said it best regarding our frustration with the drama. One way or another…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=angi1vwUkQc
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Can’t wait to hear “he shoots…he scores” come out of Bob Millers mouth 55 times for this guy next year!
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Well another day in the dark with my fellow KINGS fans. At this point I need to stop checking this site every 5 minutes while I am awake. I have “blown the dust” off of my lame Twitter account and when something is posted by Rich I’ll know…until then, please all try to have a productive day.
GO KINGS!
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Joey No-No Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 9:46 AM
@Joey No-No, I lied.
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Sooooo….Is there any other “insider” information we can focus on besides this succubus situation….
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Listened to the PMS show on Wednesday and Money made mention of DL possibly going to Denver to meet with Anshutz. Is this true and why would he do this? Is there something he can’t do over the phone or video conferencing like “Kovi wants x amount over x years with x signing bonus, yay or nay?”. In any case, I would take it as a good sign because why even make the effort if you know you’re not even close?
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Seriously, there should be other topics worth our attention….
Pleaseeeeeeessssssseeee….Rich…..there has to be something else we can distract ourselves with…Anything….
Bueller….Bueller….Bueller….Bueller….
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On a NON-KOVI related note, I found this great read on THN’s website about Jeff Zatkoff’s development. Enjoy!
http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/34506-Prospect-Watch-Jeff-Zatkoff.html
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EASportsMgt Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 9:22 AM
@TB,
Good stuff, I saw this kid down in Ontario for a full year. Before he got hurt he was awesome and a good reason why the Reign made it to the playoffs.
Some say that with more development he can be as good if not better than Bernier. It’s going to be interesting to see how he does in camp.
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RealDrew Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 9:47 AM
@EASportsMgt,
After Zatkoff gets a full season at Manchester I think there’s a real chance that he will be the backup with the Kings for the 2010-2011 season. I strongly believe that either Bernie or Quick will be traded after this season which will open up a spot for Zatkoff.
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RealDrew Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 9:48 AM
@RealDrew,
Oops…make that the 2011-2012 season.
TB Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 9:56 AM
@EASportsMgt,
I agree about his potential. It makes the idea of trading away one of our star goaltenders more easy to digest, but I really hope to see the duel between Bernier and Quick this season.
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EASportsMgt Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 10:07 AM
@TB,
I agree, I think this year depending on camp, we will see Quick and Bernier, which leaves Ersberg to clear waivers. If he does he wont be recalled because he probably wont re-clear waivers (remember anyone who picks him up at that point only picks up half his salary).
So EE will be down with Zatkoff in Manchester.
I would be surprised to see EE traded if Bernier sticks which he more than likely will.
After a full season in Manchester for Zatkoff then we can potentially have three very solid netminders in camp the following year and Zatkoff will be an RFA that year also.
Let’s not forget the Kings have Martin Jones after that and he isn’t a slouch either, not to mention Berube after that.
Goalies are definetely not the Kings weakness and neither is D.
Yawn………………………
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So how much will it take to get Gagne off Philly?? They can’t take back very much salary.
Parse
T. Hickey
3rd round pick (maybe 2nd)
for
Gagne
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Mike L Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 9:13 AM
@VanKingsFan,
For a one year expensive injury prone rental? I’d do that for Patrick Sharp
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John Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 9:42 AM
@Mike L,
We’d most definitely extend him. But you’re right, it is a bit steep. Both Gagne & Sharp would be salary dumps so we may be able to get them with picks & prospects.
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RealDrew Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 9:56 AM
@VanKingsFan,
I’m pretty high on Parse, so I’d have a hard time seeing him go. I think that’s too much for an injury prone player that could leave after one year. I’d be ok with Hickey or Teubert and a 2nd. I’m sure Philly wouldn’t go for that, but that’s all I’d give up for Gagne.
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Please Rich…any news on ANYTHING else? Do you know who is coming to the summer workout sessions? Status on injured prospects? Possibly an interview with Luc on upcoming season marketing plans? Hockeyfest info?
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Luc is going to be on 95.5 KLOS in a minute!
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Andrew Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 9:39 AM
@Keeper, BREAKING NEWS from LUC: We’re talking to IK. :)
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brandyn Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 10:14 AM
@Andrew, well that is obvious but what did he say >
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Ilya Kovalchuk and his wife Nicole are destined for L.A..
Fit to be a KING. Check out this picture.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Ilya-Kovalchuk-either-named-new-Russian-czar-or-?urn=nhl,89702
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If Kovi doesn’t sign with LA…I want…SHARP!
Hickey or Tuebert
Moeller
+draft pick
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nykingfan Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 12:07 PM
@Cup B4 I Die,
More like Hickey/Simmonds/Bernier for Sharp.
Look at his contract and find a team that can’t make room for that contract other than Chicago?
The line for his services will be a long one.
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wavesinair Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 12:29 PM
@Cup B4 I Die, How about Purcell and a 6th rounder? Oh wait…
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#NHLCupcakes hahahaha. so the isles announce to sell cupcakes and look what happens
http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#q=%23NHLCupcakes&hl=en&prmd=u&tbs=mbl:1&tbo=u&ei=iT4_TNSbL4WesQO31Mj2CA&sa=X&oi=realtime_result_group_more_results_link&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CC0Q5QUwAw&fp=4c7a295803cac524
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http://www.crashthecrease.com/2010/07/15/kings-still-want-to-sign-ilya-kovalchuk/
Have faith.
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Scootty Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 11:09 AM
@Shawn,
All that information is about 3 days old. Nothing new there.
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We should give one of our D prospects,Stoll,Lewis and a pick for Thomas Vanek if we don’t get Kovalstuck.
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Remember that book that Rich wrote about the other Day, Money Players, that talked about the Free agency blitz, well it also talked about the CBA and the NHLPA. One thing it mentioned and don’t quote me on this but it referred to how the owners didn’t really respect the NHLPA head Ted Saskin. They knew that they could push him around and that eventually the players union would crumble and want to settle the dispute and agree on the new CBA. Although it didn’t crumble, it did build a wedge and of course they did agree on the CBA.
I say this because Donald Fehr is not a man you can push around. The only reason why he hasn’t been hired is because he wants a shorter contract and I’m sure the NHLPA wants him longer.
Nevertheless, this guy is well respected. Yes the owners may try to lower the cap but if they do, you better believe the players will get something in return this time. I think both sides will play hardball tactics as always of course but the owners I think this time know that Mr. Fehr will get a good deal done for his players and hopefully prevent a work stoppage. Although it seems from hearing quotes from Lou and DL both are very skeptical about the new CBA and maybe a potential work stoppage.
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Just wondering, if Zatkoff really is good, how about the situation with Bernier and Quick? Should we trade either Quick or Bernier?
Now, this is just my thought, but who thinks Bernier will be better then Quick?
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5holer Reply:
July 15th, 2010 at 4:45 PM
@notenoughkovy, Whoa slow down on trading any GT. Let’s see, Quickee has 85-90 NHL games in, Bernie has maybe 10, Zats has zero! Bernie has most upside, has everything at plus plus rating, few holes. Quick is solid but has some holes, fixable holes tho. I saw Zats play in the A + for Reign, not impressive. Big enough, but a risk project still. Marty Jones is real deal in WHL & Team Canada Jrs. Leave GTs alone already! Don’t forget big heart Ersberg either! Bernie could win out in camp (again!) as 1A?
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