Just a couple things as we hopefully creep toward some type of resolution on this Ilya Kovalchuk situation…
Most importantly, there is no deal in place and there is no press conference scheduled. If you follow college sports, think of this as a version of a recruiting trip, a chance to talk face to face. Now, that said, it’s not exactly typical. I noticed that Dean Lombardi didn’t repeat his very first comment, which was that Kovalchuk was visiting “just like any free agent would.” Well, I’ve been covering Lombardi’s transactions for four years, and this is the first I’ve heard of it. I know, for a fact, that Rob Scuderi didn’t come to L.A. when he signed last summer. So Kovalchuk’s mere presence here would suggest that there’s reason for mutual optimism between the Kings and Kovalchuk, given that they presumably seek to get a deal done, but it’s no slam dunk.
Since last night, I’ve been trying to find some history these kind of trips. It seems as though, at some point, NHL teams were allowed to pay for a player to fly out and visit the team/city, but that teams are no longer allowed to foot the bill. If you follow the Lakers, you’ll note that Derek Fisher took a “recruiting trip” to Miami a few days ago and apparently got a contract offer from the Heat but has not yet signed with any team.
It’s likely that Kovalchuk will get the grand tour today. As I recall, Terry Murray went through something similar before the Kings hired him, including a trip downtown to the AEG offices. I don’t know how much information we’ll get about today’s “meetings.” I wouldn’t expect anything in-depth, but we’ll see. For now, I’ll leave the last week to The Globe and Mail’s Eric Duhatschek, who has a real good piece today on the situation…
Nice story, thanks for posting it Rich and thank you again for the update.
Be interesting to see how long this “visit” turns out to be.
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danielking2024 Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
@Barrie G,
To all and spread the word far and near Jonathon Bernier is lights out better than quick. He was asked to play three games for the kings last season and what did he do win them all. The first was against Dallas and it went to a shoot out. Each Stars player attacked Bernier in that shoot out and he stoned each one of them. If you saw how he did it you wouldn’t even think the name Quick. Each star that came at Bernier he mirrored their moves. I’ve never seen anything like it. The next game he was asked to play was againt the Predators when we were in the midst of a mounting loosing streak. He stood on hi head and posted our first win over the preds. A few days later we played the Canucks and behind him we routed them by an initial 4-0 lead and went on to win going away. If Bernier had played in The Stanley cup finals he would have stolen a game or even two. He will be one of the greatest goalies to ever play the game. Here is what is critical and what we must spread the word on. There is much chatter about the Kings getting an aging Gange for Bernier. DL, DL, DL do not give up Bernier and do not pick up Gange. I am saying this before it is done but I know it is done. The Kings have Kovalchuk and by the time many of you read this it will be a done deal. Don’t believe the smoke screens and lies about lies. He knows what New Jersey was offering but did they move any players to make cap room, NO. The Islanders what like he wants to go back to being a Lightning player again. The KHL please a league that has less fans than the WNBA. The only play for Kovy is Los Angeles and that’s why he has never said no as in a final no to the Kings. He has already or within moments he will say yes and the real quest for the cup will begin. We have not had a sniper like him since the Great one. Believe me in an La Kings uniform he will be great and the Kings will win the cup. Let Bernier mature next year along side Quick. Let them all gell and watch out.
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Old Time Hockey Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
@danielking2024, Gange = Gagne= Gan-yea
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Lanny McDonald's 'Stache Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
@danielking2024,
Daniel, stop spamming the blog with this ridiculous diatribe please. Posting it once was enough.
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Adam Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
@danielking2024,
Daniel, the Kings will never trade Bernier for Gagne (Not Gange). Also, please get the “Hooked On Phonics” software before you post again. Just a friendly tip.
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danielking2024 Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
@Barrie G, and to all. Have no doubts Kovalchuck will be a King. Three reasons, 1. La is the best fit and he will make even millions more as the new Hollywood groomed spokesman. 2. He wouldn’t be here if he didn’t plan to sign. They could have teleconferenced these negotiations had they wanted too. He didn’t take the New Jersey offer because face it he’s played there and knows they are not going to beat Pittsburgh or Washington any time soon. Also the defensive structure of their system will never allow him to put up the numbers he’s capable of. 3. He wants to win and the best way for him to do that is to play for the up and coming L.A. Kings. What has Kovy been doing since he got a serious offer from the Kings. He’s been watching their series against Vancouver. He knows if he’d played the Kings would have won. So a chance to play for a contender in a city where we drive to the snow and a place for him to be an icon. How could he say no, he can’t and he wont. Welcome to the LA Kings Kovy, welcome.
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DannyMeux Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
@danielking2024,
didn’t need to read the whole post. quick= tired from being abused and used every single game. im sure if TeMu used Bernier that much, he would produce somewhat the same results. im not denying that he is better or worse than quick… just throwing it out there.
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54FIGHTING Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
@danielking2024,
Is this Anthonyy on Prozac?
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OneTimer Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
@54FIGHTING,
My money says it’s Grossman.
SERIOUSLY.
number 6 Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 4:47 pm
@54FIGHTING,
fourtunato Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
@Barrie G,
My goodness. There is NO WAY DL will trade JB right now. He has been very clear that this is our chance to have THE FIRST homegrown franchise goalie in Kings history. He’s not throwing that away.
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shades Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
@fourtunato, Agree,
And, to anybody that has ever had a problem with any of my posts, please take a look at BG’s manical rants before telling me I’m “off my nut”
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Rich,
Once again thanks for the most accurate Kings info out there.
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Neil Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
@Doug, and big ups to Rich for the quote on NHL.com
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Take him to Philippe’s or Pinks for lunch. DONE DEAL.
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dactribble Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 10:07 am
@Darren, Agreed. With hot mustard.
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Ike Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 10:44 am
@Darren, Philippes? I hope you like cockroach with your french dip.
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notayoungster Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
@Ike, It gives the double dip a snap!
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OneTimer Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
@Ike,
I am both shocked and apalled that you would ask that question Ike … because clearly the MORE important question is: does Ilya like cockroach with his french dip??
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Token Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
@OneTimer,
In Russia cockroach invite you to dinner.
Puckin-A Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
@OneTimer, In Soviet Russia Cockroach French dips you!
Dominick Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
In Russia,It’s not called french dip,because they hate french food.The cockraoch is hollowed out to hold vodka shooters.
Thanks Rich, for the info and the link.
Well, who knows what will take place. But, how about a unscientific poll..
Q1. Will Kovy sign with the Kings?
Q2. If so, at what cap hit?
A1. Yes
A2. $6.8 mil cap hit.
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DL;
“Kovy you should really come out here”
Kovy
“cant we do this over the phone?”
DL
“no, you’ve really got to see this in person…”
Kovy
Ok, Da, I fly there tomorrow”
Dean then takes the next 24 hours showing Kovy the charts…
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jet Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 10:00 am
@kingfish, does he get to take his ‘box’ home with him?
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jammer06 Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 10:51 am
@jet,
That made me laugh, reminded me of a good ol story. Back in college me and my buddies were watching some of the girls move back into the dorms at the beginning of the semester. One of the girls we all knew walked by carrying some of her stuff. My buddy yelled out “Hey Tish, nice box!” she said thanks, went about 10 more feet and then screamed “F#@% *&* Brian”.
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kingfish Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 11:26 am
@jammer06,
thats funny dude. Its like nice beaver, thanks I stuffed it myself. Im goofin on DL but I really think hes a methodical genius the way he sees the holes.
gcheng Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 10:36 am
@kingfish,
hahahaha. u guys are hilarious. hahaha. im sure he would be dumbfounded with the ‘boxes’. YET would be impressed. hahaha. or maybe he might just sign to get DL to shutup about the ‘boxes’
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Kevin Y Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 11:06 am
@gcheng,
I’ve been going to these breakfasts for a couple years and I’M still dumbfounded by the boxes…. but if we get Kovy, and lock up everybody long-term, then does what I think really matter?
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variable Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 11:26 am
@kingfish,
i guess i didn’t see yr post before i posted…nice one…:)
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Wonder if they’ll put him up in a pimped out suite at the Ritz Carlton across the street from Staples? I may take a walk and have lunch @ LA Live today. Would be interesting to see the Kings entourage w/ Kovi & his people giving him “the treatment”. I know Brown is in town so I hope he and other team members are in town to try and sway him get on board and help build us a winner. I’m optimistic but keeping realistic expectations.
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jayhay Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 9:52 am
@smoKING gun,
naw, let him crash with Doughnuts, Simmer & the Clune-iac for a day or two. i’d stay.
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DougS Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
@smoKING gun,
I wouldn’t be surprised if they gave a super-duper special tour of the condos on the floors above the hotel rooms. A penthouse suite would make for a pretty sweet in-season residence, I would think. Maybe AEG would be willing to throw one in as part of a signing bonus?
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Thanks for the update and the link Rich. You are always the voice of reason.
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the “meeting” should take place at the beach…i imagine lines will be drawn and erased…
anybody for a game of “risk”…?
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Great article. It puts it all into perspective. For everyone who was going into the ‘it’s black’ category or ‘it’s white’ category, it shows that there is value in the visions of both sides and it’s never as simple as what some of us may think.
Thanks for posting that link Rich.
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pautna Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 10:12 am
@number 6, I concur. I rather have the *right* deal than a *fast* deal that hurts the team in the long run.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 10:24 am
@number 6, I’ve only been saying this for almost 2 weeks…just in a bit more of an angry manner.
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Please please please keep him away from the 405! That’s a deal breaker. Helicopter for Kovi better be waiting.
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completelylostmymimd Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 10:18 am
@letsdothis,
Oh, I so completely agree with this!
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OneTimer Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
@letsdothis,
FIRST thing I did: was check the weather. (72, sunny, mild breezes from the NW – nice.)
SECOND thing I did: was wonder how they would get him out to “see the sights” today in a way that completely shrouded him from the 10/110/405/5 traffic. (Which as we all know is both physically AND metaphysically impossible.)
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I really hope Dean can make this happen.
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Rich,
Thanks for the update. Hopefully the trip to LA will bring a this saga to a favorable resolution soon.
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Thing of this as Kovy’s chance to say, “Having had the chance to meet with Tim and Dean, see how great their facilities are, see how great the city is, see how passionate the fans are, and see what they’re doing with their young, hungry, playoff-ready team, I’ve decided that LA is the best place for me and my family.”
This will allow him to back down on his stance of $10M per season and still save face.
So this is all but done in my opinion…Kovy will be wearing number 71 in September / October!
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Goes to Eleven Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 10:21 am
@Mucker,
Hopefully he will be wearing number 71 in May / June.
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dl & kovy are heading down to fashion island to pick out wedding invitations and then to the cannery for a candlelight lunch…can anyone play violin…?
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jet Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 10:14 am
@variable, violin? I was thinking more along the lines of KC and the Sunshine Band, “do a little dance, make a little love, get signed tonight, get signed tonight.
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c-nut Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
@jet, I would jam to that song all summer!!!
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Goring 19 Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 10:47 am
@variable, you mean the balalaika. The Russian violin. LOL
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Real 9 Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 11:19 am
@variable,
when Kovi plays his 1st game at home, maybe these Russian girls could replace the Ice Girls ffor one night….or balalaika music from these L.A. area players….
http://www.russianbalalaika.com/
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Rich,
Did Kovi’s family come out?
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luc20rules Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
@jet, That might mean DL’s going to Disneyland.
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DL will make the pitch, show him the charts of why he can’t go higher and still retain the core, and then it’s up to Kovi. Play for a team that can be a challenger for years or play for a team that has 2 years left.
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The fair thing for management and the player is to have these contracts incentive laden. If they perform, they get the bucks. If they don’t….well they don’t. Why in pro sports have management elected to take most of the risk? Crazy and poor business.
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If he comes all the way to LA and doesn’t sign, it has to go down as one of the biggest teases since Destiny at the De Ja Vu strip club…
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jet Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 10:16 am
@sstephen17, are you related to Anthonyy?
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sstephen17 Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 10:46 am
@jet, I have a cousin named Anthony, but no, probably not the Anthony you’re looking for.
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It was only a 2 hour dinner I think. Maybe it didn’t work out or something, I would’ve estimated a Deano dinner taking at least 4.5 to 5 hours.
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Hopefully there are no earthquakes today!!
Go Kings!!!
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Dean wants Kovi to see that there is a special high-lite drawn around his box on the chart. That will seal the deal
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take him to hollywood and Vine
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lets all pray to the sun gods that it stays bring and sunny today. if it does, then that’s a sign of good things to come tomorrow. see, DL didn’t invite Kovi out last week because of the overcast weather. Little details like that is what counts.
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*bright* and sunny
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Will Kovy come out in the New black and White jerseys, as the new Jersey for Kings like the great one?
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oh, brother…kovy better be ready to listen to the “boxes” explanation….that should take at least three days to go through…
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BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 10:41 am
@V,
Now THAT is funny!
It’s another day for Kovi to get the explanation why he is in the “Superstar Sniper” box but didn’t get all the money he asked for…
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luc20rules Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
@variable, I don’t think Kovi is here to negotiate with the Kings.
He is here to do his own LeBron type signing show, being completely confused by the negotiations with the Kings, NYI, NJ, & KHL he will simply go on a special episode of Lets make a Deal with 4 breifcases to decide which team he will sign with. Which Ice Girl do we put next to our breifcase?
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This is exactly what I’ve been thinking should happen. this town can sell you to play here. Look at the weather and lifestyle you can have. Think about living here during the winter compared to some east coast city or Canada were it’s freezing.
I just want to get this deal done without hadcuffing the future of the team and get the season to start now.
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OMG we should so go out with Signs and banner in front of staples center saying WE WANT KOVI.. I know a few contacts in the Press and news stations and i could get them out there.
Whos with me.
I am not joking !!
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brandyn Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 10:24 am
@wewantkovi,
no i think we should riot and light cars on fire like lakers fans…
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 10:49 am
@brandyn, HA,HA, funny! and yet so true.
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LucLivesOn Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 10:27 am
@wewantkovi, Great idea!! Maybe we should rally at Staples Center!!
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KingMe20 Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 10:43 am
@wewantkovi,
If I didn’t have to work, I’d be there!
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BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 10:44 am
@wewantkovi,
…We all saw how well that worked with LeBro in Cleveland.
Spare the signs/Save a tree.
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variable Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 11:24 am
@BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy,
lol..:)
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fourtunato Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
@BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy,
Can’t compare LeBro to this. NJ State tax for him will be 10.25 and CA will be 9.3.
They are both huge and unfair rip offs but NJ is worse and there are no 0 tax states like Florida in the mix. Although former communist Russia has a very low flat tax and no state taxes. Which is why their economy is booming right now.
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Old Codger Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 11:47 am
@wewantkovi, Not a good idea. A display like that would work in favor of Kovi, not the Kings. Might entice him to hold out longer.
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Didn’t realize Kovi can take care of himself. I watched his six career fights and he goes after guys and challanges them when they take cheap shots at him or other team-mates. He even man handled Avery a couple seasons back. Just seems like a stand up guy that can also net 40+ goals a year. I don’t think we’ll regret signing this guy.
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KingMe20 Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 10:46 am
@KINGKRAZY,
Saw that too, and was very surprised. He’s tougher than I thought, but then again, I wouldn’t want him risking his hands in a fight. That’s what enforcers are for, and that’s why you saw Matt Bradley jump in front of Ovechkin last year so that the Caps wouldn’t lose their star player in a fight.
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KC23 Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
@KINGKRAZY,
I also went through all Kovi’s fights and he definately has an edge to his game that I didn’t know about. He doesn’t really fit the prima donna role if you really look at what he has done.
He is also a family man and not a club guy. Two young kids and a wife, but I did get the impression he likes the high life a lot. He’s got LA writen all over him.
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the only thing with fisher is that he’s played and won 5 championships with the Lakers and wants to retire as a Laker. He cant help if the Lakers are trying to be cheap with him. I dont think the fisher is a good example of whats going on IMO
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Rich, would you mind documenting his every movement on video and live streaming it to us?
Thanks,
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Thanks Rich for everything.
This is just further proof that DL’s hocky IQ is up there with the best of them. If DL signs Kovi, he will be considered a “GODSEND” to King Fans. If DL doesn’t he can atleast say “Hey I tried my best, it’s not my fault he decided to come to the LA beaches on a Monday when it was overcast with high 60 degree weather”
So my two cents say this adds more intrigue to the whole Kovi UFA soap. Damn it beats the heck out of soccer and baseball.
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Lanny McDonald's 'Stache Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 11:44 am
@topshelfshot23,
Dean has played this whole situation perfectly. Anyone who says otherwise does not understand the team’s needs, or the negotiation process with elite athletes in pro sports.
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DougS Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
@Lanny McDonald’s ‘Stache,
Yes, DL’s patience and discipline have been exemplary. Maybe he pulled Arturs Irbe’s old line on Team Kovi: “I am like wall.” The key to getting what you want out of a negotiation is to show a willingness to walk away from the table if the deal isn’t right for you, and DL has done that at least a couple of times during this process.
I also agree that it’s smart for both parties to do this visit. Mucker’s point that it allows Kovalchuk to sign on DL’s terms and save face is very perceptive, as is topshelf’s point that if it doesn’t work, DL can always say that he he went above and beyond. And all it costs is a day of time that would otherwise be spent waiting, and a little travel money.
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Rich, any & all,
Do performance bonuses factor in against the salary cap at any point? If not, get Kovi to sign for a reasonable/manageable cap hit then negotiate bonus goals. Say an additional million for each = 50 goals or 110 point season, Kings making the conference finals, winning the CUP, Kovi winning Heart, Rocket Richard, Conn Smyth trophies, etc.
???
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TB Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 10:37 am
@smoKING gun, I’m pretty sure incentives count against the cap.
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mrbrett7 Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 11:00 am
@smoKING gun, Yes, they do…in fact, that is one of the main reasons why the Blackhawks will be fighting for their playoff lives next season due to all the incentive laden contracts they gave out to guys like Kane, Keith and Toews.
It’s great to keep those guys together, but makes no sense if you can’t put anyone who can play around them.
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JasonG Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 11:03 am
@smoKING gun,
Bonuses do count. Kane’s and Toews’ bonuses kicked in this year, which contributed to the cap overage, firesale, and several million cap penalty for next season.
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smoKING gun Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 11:19 am
@ TB & mrbrett7,
Thanks for the info. So the bonus idea is obviously not much an option. Bummer…
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Skebo Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 11:49 am
@smoKING gun,
Kovi isn’t eligible for a incentive laden contract. The CBA only allows for those sorts of bonuses with entry level contracts, players 35+, or players coming back from a significant injury.
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Hope someone erases the board inside the Kings’ locker room. There were some things on it when i took my tour at Select-a-Seat that I don’t think they’d want him to read!
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sstephen17 Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 10:50 am
@KingMe20, I saw a couple of those questionable entries on the dry erase board too, lol.
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Good read! Thanks for the link Rich.
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It’s official, I’m on suicide watch
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Deano will do the right thing people, everyone knows if he can he can, if he can’t he can’t. He’s just not going to sacrifice the future for 1 guy, albeit an awesome player. And I believe Kovi knows that and both sides will come to a compromise that will keep the team intact, but, you never know. I mean, seriously, which team has the most upside right now? Joisey? Islanders? KHL? or the Kings, or is it really all about the money.
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Gee . . . I’d like to have Kovi AND Fro. Stupid wish, eh?
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Traded for a Pick Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 11:13 am
@tuan jim,
I’d like to see Fro back. More than I would like Williams personally since he turned all bitter after getting benched in the playoffs.
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Lanny McDonald's 'Stache Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 11:45 am
@Traded for a Pick,
You’d prefer for a player not to care if they’re taken out of the lineup during the most important time of the season?
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Traded for a Pick Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
@Lanny McDonald’s ‘Stache,
I would prefer not to have a player who is disgruntled and coughs up the puck in the most important time of the season. Yes
spidey35 Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 11:22 am
@tuan
Totally agree with you. I was actually hoping that if Kovalchuk signs, Fro will decide to stay to play with a fellow Russian and less money.
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KC23 Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 3:46 pm
@tuan jim,
I’m one of the biggest Fro bashers, but I have to admit … with Kovi on the team, he would be a good fit. He might even get inspired.
I’m thinking Fro might sign for a bit less with Kovi on the team.
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If there’s a marriage let’s hope they have a baby, it’s name is Stanley and it’s wearing a cup.
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Deano, Kovi has taken the bait. Now is the time to set the hook. Ease off on the drag and let him run but don’t let him get away. When he tires tighten the drag and begin to reel him in. Be careful, you have a big fish on the line- don’t lose him. Bring him in along side the boat. I’ll get the gaff. Let’s get him on deck. Jackpot!!!
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Skebo Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
@HeyChief,
And I will get the baseball bat to smack him on the head
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Rich, thanks for the link. That was a great piece to read.
Upon reading that article, I immediately asked myself, if Kovalchuk signs with the Kings, giving the team a real sniper, would it be reasonable to think that ice space would open up for Kopitar, Smyth, Brown and Handzus? Which would, in turn, result in more goals for those guys?
One guy doesn’t do it by himself, but his presence can change the way an opponent defends them.
Just a thought. Sorry if it was mentioned previously in the 4000 posts.
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sstephen17 Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
@The Kinger, Damn, previous post didn’t happen for some reason. Anyway, I think a couple of things might happen theoretically:
1. Kopitar might not get more goals with Kovalchuk but his assists should go up exponentially, as well as his overall point total.
2. PP becomes even more effective if not more consistent.
3. Second, third, and fourth lines benefit because opposition will be keying their top checking line/players on the Kings best line.
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The Kinger Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
@sstephen17,
Great points! PP for sure. I agree, the opponents top checking (shut down) line will takes the Kings top scoring line. This would open things up considerably for the other lines.
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I mentioned this the other day and everyone blew it off as a non-issue including saying there is no way that there would be another lock-out. Now I’m not saying there would be, nor do I think it would be wise for one, but here are a few quotes:
Of signing players this summer, Lamoriello said. “you have to be absolutely cautious at this time with a new CBA coming in two years.”
Former Devil Paul Martin said two weeks ago that a possible “lockout” was something that was a factor in considering his next contract.
So you better believe that the cap possibly going down is a major factor in DL’s negotiations with Kovi and the fact that a decrease in the cap could really hamper his ability to re-sign those RFA’s.
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Tookie Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 11:33 am
@EASportsMgt,
Another lockout would be absolutely brutal for hockey. If the two sides are smart they’ll never let that get close to happening. I think it would kill hockey in the states.
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kingfish Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 11:48 am
@EASportsMgt,
its a very good point. I hope to hell that doesn’t happen, would be a terrible blow to hockey. If the cap gets lowered thats really gonna screw teams over. its BS that a team spends years building only to have to then deal with a lowered cap and in the meantime be held hostage by the threat of a lowered cap. Would be better if they just dont raise it for a few years rather than lower it.
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EASportsMgt Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
@kingfish,
I agree. I mena look at Chicago, after matching the Hammer’s deal from SJ, they now have 15 players signed and only 113k left in cap space. What the hell would they do if the cap actually went down? Scary
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Skebo Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
@kingfish,
I can’t see the Kings being affected any more than any other team by a CBA change. I would expect any CBA change regarding the cap would also include a salary rollback like we saw with the last lockout. You may very well see a rule restricting these 10+ year contracts that have players under contract for when they are 40+ years old. If that’s the cases, I would expect that they might grandfather in the existing long term contracts.
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EASportsMgt Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
@Skebo,
One other point to add. As I have said I believe the CBA expiring is probably the greatest concern in these negotations. So much that Helene from the Times reported that IK’s camp reportedly offered for IK to take a smaller salary but a very substantial bonus in the 2012-13 the potential lock out season if there is one. Once again proves my point that every party is mindful of the CBA and possible work stoppage.
I also agree with your point that there would be another salary roll back which will bring in some room. However I must state this is rather ridiculous. They stopped play before and made the players take a salary cut. Then the GM’s go out and start overpaying these players again. Only to come to the next bargaining agreement and ask them to take a salary cut again. It’s not their faults. I mean owners blame the agents for inflating the prices but in the end they were the ones who decided to pay that ridiculous money so why make them take a pay cut. The owners in my opinion should be the ones who have to take a cut because they are the ones who overspent to begin with. They need to learn how to control costs and not force the players to lose money.
jet Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
@EASportsMgt, I respectfully disagree that “it is not the players fault”. Both parties have some fault in the deteriorating salary situation. While at the beginning of the contract neither party could see the downturn in the economy, the economic drop off over the past 2 years and for the next 4 or 5 years is crystal clear for all parties involved. The players association taking the escalator bump the past two years just tightens the noose around the struggling franchises even more. The odds that the league will own or consolidate 2-4 franchises in the next few years are better than 50-50. If we want to keep all of the teams and all of the fans then there needs to a true limiter on the cap during hard times. The cost of living has decreased the past two years. How is it possible the players can overlook this fact to give themselves a 10.25% raise? We need to be careful when we attempt to exclude one party from blame for the league’s financial troubles, other than the fans anyway.
If any players are reading who normally are free with their autographs, I am 6’8”, 325#s, with a deep dark tan. Oh, and cue ball bald also.
EASportsMgt Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 3:07 pm
@jet,
I understand your point, and after your description I promise I don’t wnat to piss you off..lol BUT
I would characterise the problem more of an owners problem than that of the players fault. A player is paid to play the game at their highest level. If they exceed that and or play tremendous, they are rewarded with a nice raise in salary. As an agent, it their responsibility to ensure that their players get maximum value for their work and ensure that after they stop playing, they have enough income to support their lifestyle.
Now with that said, why would it be a players fault that the owners decided to pay them an absurd amount of money? Did they force the owners to do that? Is it the players responsibility to say “Hey Mr. Owner, the economy looks to be slowing down so why don’t you pay me less over the next few years?”
Yes there are trouble with the league and some teams but if you recall at the last negotiations for this current CBA, the purpose of the rollback to the salaries and the new cap was to prevent this sort of thing to happen again. Yet here we are again. Since the last CBA the economy has improved. The only thing that has changed is some owners overpaying for players, so again why is that the players fault?
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jet Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
@EASportsMgt, The physical description was a little misdirection as I have yet to get Teub’s autograph and do not want to be remembered as the guy who wants to take money out of the players pockets.
Look, obviously some owners are acting like a new college grad with his/her first platinum card. Some will have better paying jobs than others, some will handle the card as a responsibility, some won’t. I agree some owners will pay any amount to win regardless of the consequences to the league. The good thing is that many of this style of owner have already locked in expensive, long term contracts. So, in one sense the cap system is working as DL is the only one who can really afford to make an offer to Kovi. Therefore, the cost will be lower than in previous years where there have been multiple bidders.
But, the players still had an opportunity to pass on the escalator the last 2 years and lessen the chances of losing teams in a couple of years. This is where the system is broken (player’s responsibility).
Unemployment over 16% (U6 government figure)
Capacity utilization at a near all time low.
prices decreasing
Auto sales 20% off their peak
80% of the states have decreasing budgets.
one quarter of Americans have credit score below 600
national debt at an all time high with little hope of meeting future obligations.
positive parts of GDP are built on inventory expansion.
The economy has fallen off a cliff since the last CBA and there is no way to stop it. If we lower taxes and provide more stimulus dollars, then we would be unable to find lenders to finance our debt. If we have no more stimulus and raise taxes (see England), then the little positive GDP will be gone in a flash. If we print money to pay off the US debt, then a million dollars will become a thousand dollars and wipe out millions of people’s retirement plans. The economy is not is good shape for the near or medium term. The owners and players have to work together to keep the fans they have.
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Anybody at the Toyota Sports Center? See anything unusual going on?
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Harry Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
@Howe 9,
That’s where they’re meeting.
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Chris Bond Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 4:35 pm
@Harry, I was there Kovi is there no one would tell us that, but everyone knew he was. I talked to Hiedi and when we were leaving they were bringing in California Pizza Kitchen, if that’s what they gave him for lunch we are screwed.
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Anyone else hit up youtube to check out vids of IK dropping the gloves? Gotta say I love this cat more and more everyday.
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tsaiguy Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 11:35 am
@Andrew, I took up your invitation and I really liked this one. Kovalchuk standing up for a teammate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2cGXp-Jwyw&feature=related
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Andrew Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 11:45 am
@tsaiguy, That was my fav. Assuming we sign IK I want to know one thing. Who on the Kings becomes the enforcer? I’m starting to miss Ivan-the-great now.
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Atomic Steve Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 11:51 am
@Andrew, Kevin Westgath most likely
Old Codger Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 11:52 am
@Andrew, Tiger Williams is coming out of retirement.
notposimatt Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 11:59 am
@Andrew,
Westgarth?!!
Old Codger Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
@Andrew, What size skates does Stallone wear?
leadswine Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 7:15 pm
@Andrew, IVAN. THE GREAT?? Simmonds’s was more
Of an enforcer than that bum was.
Westgarth is the MAN!!
schoeny Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
@tsaiguy, Impressive. Even if he’s just square dancing, at least he’s in the mix. Didnt know IK was capable of that.
I think Westgarth will have a brief stint, and Clune and Clifford will step in (they’ve got spunk but they’ll lose more than win). I just hope someone steps in other than Simmer, Greene and Brownie. They’ve got the will, but they’re better used on the ice.
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5 4 fighting Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 11:57 am
@Andrew,
I think we should go after Boogard. I hear Kyle Clifford can throw ‘em pretty good too.
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Otto Ped Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
@5 4 fighting, Boogard already went to the Rangers at a ridiculous price
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OneTimer Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
@Andrew,
I stumbled across several fight links the other day in another post- and was admittedly QUITE surprised. I just had no idea IK had ever fought- let alone a handful of times, and furthermore- could damn well handle himself!
Now I love Kopitar … but I also never (ever) imagine him going off like that (which is fine! Not his job and not good for his hands, nor for the time he’s serving in the box.)
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I love how the skies cleared up and the weather turned gorgeous just in time for Kovi’s visit. Perhaps the hockey gods are smiling down upon LA for once?
Rich, do you know if the Kings will be hiring extra security for Lombardi and the rest of the Kings brass if they don’t sign Kovi? From reading comments here and on other sites, they just might need it…
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Under the current CBA, can contracts have team/player opt-out clauses? If that’s possible then a long term deal should be front loaded with Kovy’s $10M/year with an opt out clause after five or so years. Still keep the deal around 10 – 15 years for the lower cap hit.
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EASportsMgt Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
@’11CupWinners,
No under current CBA rules you can not have opt out clauses.
That’s why those deals are heavily investigated by the NHL to make sure that the rules were not violated by making those kinds of deals. Hossa and Pronger deals are two that come to mind that were investigated by the NHL/
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If we sign Kovi, I think we should sign Boogard if his services have not already been taken. I hear Kyle Clifford can throw ‘em pretty good.
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D B COOPER Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
@5 4 Fighting, the rangers gave him millions, already. another bad decision by NYR.
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jet Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
@5 4 Fighting, We’er down to Georges Laraque from the FA side, but does he still have the drive to do what is needed?
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John Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
@jet,
I would LOVE Laraque! But what was the issue in Montreal?
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Mike L Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
@John,
No to Laraque his type of player is more and more becoming obsolete. We have Clifford who looks NHL ready and has a scoring touch
John Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
@Mike L,
1) TM’s Old School & 2) we’re going with a rookie who is not even an enforcer to be our, hmm, enforcer?
its official!!!!!!! I just broke my refresh button…..
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Skebo Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:53 pm
@chuckrocks,
CTRL-R usually works as well
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puddle Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
@Skebo, or F5
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To all and spread the word far and near Jonathon Bernier is lights out better than quick. He was asked to play three games for the kings last season and what did he do win them all. The first was against Dallas and it went to a shoot out. Each Stars player attacked Bernier in that shoot out and he stoned each one of them. If you saw how he did it you wouldn’t even think the name Quick. Each star that came at Bernier he mirrored their moves. I’ve never seen anything like it. The next game he was asked to play was againt the Predators when we were in the midst of a mounting loosing streak. He stood on hi head and posted our first win over the preds. A few days later we played the Canucks and behind him we routed them by an initial 4-0 lead and went on to win going away. If Bernier had played in The Stanley cup finals he would have stolen a game or even two. He will be one of the greatest goalies to ever play the game. Here is what is critical and what we must spread the word on. There is much chatter about the Kings getting an aging Gange for Bernier. DL, DL, DL do not give up Bernier and do not pick up Gange. I am saying this before it is done but I know it is done. The Kings have Kovalchuk and by the time many of you read this it will be a done deal. Don’t believe the smoke screens and lies about lies. He knows what New Jersey was offering but did they move any players to make cap room, NO. The Islanders what like he wants to go back to being a Lightning player again. The KHL please a league that has less fans than the WNBA. The only play for Kovy is Los Angeles and that’s why he has never said no as in a final no to the Kings. He has already or within moments he will say yes and the real quest for the cup will begin. We have not had a sniper like him since the Great one. Believe me in an La Kings uniform he will be great and the Kings will win the cup. Let Bernier mature next year along side Quick. Let them all gell and watch out.
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Lanny McDonald's 'Stache Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
@danielking2024,
lol what?
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chuckrocks Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
@danielking2024, wow someone had waaaaaaay to much coffee this morning……
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danielking2024 Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
@chuckrocks, sorry wasn’t sure my initial post wasn’t too long. So kept widling it down didn’t realize they would all post. Just learning but I get it now. Anyways chuckrocks don’t you think it will be a serious tragedy if they trade Jonathon Bernier? Obviously I do. Did you see the three games he played. He’s amazing just amazing. At any rate sorry for the multiple posts.
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Atomic Steve Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
@danielking2024, Bernier isn’t going anywhere, relax.
chuckrocks Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
@danielking2024, aint no thing……….
Linda M Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
@danielking2024, PLease, please, for the love of all that is Kovalchuk, locate the comma key on your keyboard!
To all and spread the word far and near Jonathon Bernier is lights out better than quick. He was asked to play three games for the kings last season and what did he do win them all. The first was against Dallas and it went to a shoot out. Each Stars player attacked Bernier in that shoot out and he stoned each one of them. If you saw how he did it you wouldn’t even think the name Quick. Each star that came at Bernier he mirrored their moves. I’ve never seen anything like it. The next game he was asked to play was againt the Predators when we were in the midst of a mounting loosing streak. He stood on hi head and posted our first win over the preds. A few days later we played the Canucks and behind him we routed them by an initial 4-0 lead and went on to win going away. If Bernier had played in The Stanley cup finals he would have stolen a game or even two. He will be one of the greatest goalies to ever play the game. Here is what is critical and what we must spread the word on. There is much chatter about the Kings getting an aging Gange for Bernier. DL, DL, DL do not give up Bernier and do not pick up Gange. I am saying this before it is done but I know it is done. The Kings have Kovalchuk and by the time many of you read this it will be a done deal.
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To all and spread the word far and near Jonathon Bernier is lights out better than quick. He was asked to play three games for the kings last season and what did he do win them all. The first was against Dallas and it went to a shoot out. Each Stars player attacked Bernier in that shoot out and he stoned each one of them. If you saw how he did it you wouldn’t even think the name Quick. Each star that came at Bernier he mirrored their moves. I’ve never seen anything like it. The next game he was asked to play was againt the Predators when we were in the midst of a mounting loosing streak. He stood on hi head and posted our first win over the preds. A few days later we played the Canucks and behind him we routed them by an initial 4-0 lead and went on to win going away.
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BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
@danielking2024,
ECHO, Echo, echo…
I heard you.
There is much to what you say.
Bernier, after a long AHL season with little goal-scoring support, got the Monarchs to within a hair-breadth of the Calder Cup finals.
Quick, tired after a longer NHL season, fell apart at the end, but his early and mid-season performance was ON A RECORD-SETTING PACE, let’s not forget!
The tandem of Quick and Bernier will be the best in hockey next year. Lights out after 2 a.m., the After Party’s just beginning down the street, you know what I mean! Not only are they both good, their styles are opposing, and so very complementary. The book on Quick is to shoot high, and it was effective late-season. Again, I think that is the fatigue factor… But with Bernier, the upper corners are just ABSENT. He is a monster in net, with the huge, net-obliterating style of patient in-your-face goaltending that drives snipers crazy. The athleticism of Quick after the steadfastness of Bernier will be very effective next year.
–DL, PLEASE DON’T TRADE EITHER GOALIE THIS YEAR!–
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sstephe17 Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
@BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy, After painstakingly going through the Kovi negotiations to make sure it is cap friendly, I’m pretty sure Dean has no plans to trade any of the team’s young talent, which includes Quick and Bernier.
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danielking2024 Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
@BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy, Excellent points BakoCAkingscondorsGuy I think the two together are a great Tandem. The one thing to remember about Quick however was that he had one of the lowest save percentages among winning goal tenders. Yes the Kings won behind him but at times it seems that was more attributed to the defensive structure and system the Kings play. I like Quick and I want him to be better. With Bernier and Quick pushing each other it could make them both even stronger. I want the Kings to keep both and let them duel it out in pre-season. Thanks for your comments though they are excellent and very insightful. I aslo agree that their styles are opposite and complimentary to one another. I think Kovy either has or will sign on the Kings dotted line curious to what you think…
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I predict if Kovi signs with LA he will be league MVP and the last person to wear whatever number he chooses to wear. Just think about him and Kopi on the same line. I dont even think they would need anyone on the right wing, just put out three defence men. j/k. What do you guys think about trading Williams back to Carolina for Gleason, and/or Smyth and Hickey to Oilers for Penner? Would you do it.
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josh e. Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
@chuckrocks,
yes but why would they?
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chuckrocks Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
@josh e., well, because williams is always hurt and sucks as much as Craig Johnson did. Gleason would fill the defence out nice, Hickey is to small and always hurt. Penner is huge, scores just as many goals,is younger and is more than 1 mill cheaper than Smyth.
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Traded for a Pick Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
@chuckrocks,
Williams back to Carolina for Gleason would be a great deal for the Kings but may require a prospect or pick. I’d say still do it. Re-sign Fro for the second line.
Smyth has a no trade clause in his contract. I don’t think he would be willing to go to Edmonton while they currently suck. Maybe in his last year and they have improved it is feasible.
With Fro not likely to get picked up for his wanted salary, it isn’t farfetched to think he would want to sign in LA for a smaller contract.
so maybe…
Kovi-Kopi-Brown
Smyth-Stoll-Frolov
Richardson-Zeus-Simmonds
Parse-Lewis-Westgarth/Clune/Harrold
Scuds-Doughty
JJ-Gleason
Voynov/Drewiske-Greene
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Can we get the 4th chapter?
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I think for now I will change my name to Koval-chuckrocks
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Anyone who is wondering where Kovi is going tonight….I would like to remind everyone that Dustin Brown’s clothing line is opening tonight called DLO23 in Anaheim directly after the Home-Run Derby. Huge party with celebrities and MLB players and a performance by Far East Movement and it is not open to the public. Chances are, Dustin will show Kovi what partying in LA can be like….
just my guess
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Ok everybody, Listen up especially you Deano. In case you have forgotton exactly what Kovi can do you’ve GOT to see this video. He’s AWESOME!! It’s Kovi’s Top 10 goals of all time!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oDsRSqpIf4&NR=1&feature=fvwp
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Stillkingly Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
@LucLivesOn,
FREAKING AMAZING
GET IT DONE DEANO!
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ezepace Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
@LucLivesOn,
yes i saw last night. Incredible !!!!!
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KC23 Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
@LucLivesOn,
Saw that last night. The guy has sick skills. He sure plays the point a lot on the power play.
Was thinking about how good the King’s power play was in the playoffs and how much better it will be with Kovi.
I think we’ll end up with one of the top 3 powerplays in the league.
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Interesting stuff going on in Chicago. LeBrun posted news about hawks matching offer sheet for Hal…..said hawks will be forced to shop more players
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Cynic Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
@Doug D,
Yep. Now I’m thinking, do I want Frolov or Patrick Sharp after Kovi signs?
Really though, I’m not thinking much, I just got back from 4 days in Vegas. That place takes away your ability to think.
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EASportsMgt Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
@Doug D,
Yeah after that signing they have 15 players signed and only 113k in cap space according to Capgeek.com.
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Hey, Kovalchuk, since you want to play for the Kings…will you please speak with Kovalchuk? Love, me.
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If and when our boy does sign (furiously searching for something wooden to knock upon) could we expect to learn the terms of the deal, or would we hear the usual boilerplate from the Kings regarding “per team policy, terms and conditions will not be released…”?
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Let’s play this out a little thinking that this is a done deal:
Kovalchuk/Schenn/Williams
Smyth/Kopitar/Brown
Richardson/Zeus/Simmonds
Parse/Stoll/Modin
If Schenn makes the team; putting him on the number one line with two cagey veterans will help his game thrive and we’ll have two potent scoring lines. We have potential for a great third line and we can interchange depth at the fourth line as prospects make the team. Moller would be an excellent addition to either the 3rd or 4th line. Williams, when healthy, is great along the boards and can get the puck through seems to Kovalchuk. He could have a career year playing alongside a bonafide superstar.
Just a thought.
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slovenian fan Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 1:04 pm
@Bonvivant1,
Modin is UFA and not under contract
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Tookie Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
@Bonvivant1,
It would be a travesty to not have Kovi-Kopi-(play with the RW if you wish) Williams.
There’s no way that Schenn gets first line minutes and responsibilities as a rookie (Terry won’t do it).
Like it or not I see the lines remaining basically the same as last year…put Smyth in place of Frolov, and Kovalchuk in Smyth’s place. The 4th line will be a mix mash of bodies until 3 stick.
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EASportsMgt Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
@Bonvivant1,
Wow those are bold lines. Do you really think Schenn can go from Juniors to playing on the top line with Kovi? I like your optimism but that’s highly unlikely, not to mention a slap in the face to Kopitar. However I would agree that if Kopi is not able to find room while on Kovi’s line, they should be seperated, giving the Kings two scroing threats on two lines.
I think our 3rd line can also do damage but I am not sure of the 4th line just yet. Westgarth should make the team, but I think they want size so I don’t see Moller on that line so that will be interesting to see.
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Ike Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
@Bonvivant1, Schenn as the #1 center? I don’t think so.
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Bonvivant1 Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 10:40 pm
@Ike,
There are players who surprise and transcend expectations. Having a rookie on a first line is not unheard of. The line combination obviously is speculative and is meant to provoke thought but I think Schenn is the quality type player based upon what I’ve seen with his skill set that would compliment a Kovalchuk and Williams. Mentoring, trial by fire is what makes players great.
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schoeny Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
@Bonvivant1, Interesting. I’m hoping w/ Kovi on the top line it’ll free up all kinds of space for Kopi and shooters like Schenn and Moeller. Kopi suffered a bit when he was the #1 target (such as December when he had a brief stint as the league’s top scorer). Kovi’s presence may be one of his best assets. If he can back off defenders at the blue line and carry it in with his speed, we wont have to rely on such a dump and chase game (though Simmer is making an art of it).
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gene cowles Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
@Bonvivant1, You have to be joking. SO tell me, in your lineup who is big enough to protect the others, who is going to be protecting who. That line up will get run out of every rink in the NHL.
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Bonvivant1 Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 10:34 pm
@gene cowles,
How often did we see Ivanans in the lineup, let alone on the ice during crucial moments of games? Rhetorical. We have enough players on the team that will stick up for other players without the proverbial goon in the line up. Character is built by skilled players, key players looking out for other players. Our team toughness will come from the back end and not the forwards in most games. Green is no slouch, Johnson will drop, Brown will stick up for his teammates. Granted Clune would add some grit but having the perception that we need an “enforcer” is old school.
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Here is how I view the latest developments.
As I theorized previously, IK badly misjudged the market and has been blaming his agent JG for lack of results.
JG, like any agent, just wants the best deal he can get and to be done with it, knows all the bidders offers and their reasoning, which they have discussed together, ad infinitum, but has been unable to convince IK to move off his unrealistic demands.
As time goes by, IK’s market position has been deteriorating.
The situation between IK and JG is analogous to a family scwabble, but the one who wears the pants, IK, won’t back down. An outside intervention is the only answer.
Agents normally don’t want their clients to meet with the principals on the other side when the clients are not skilled negotiators. But, in situations like this, it is common for agents, as a last resort, to arrange for the principals to get together and hash it out in person for several reasons:
1. When the client hears the same thing from the opposing principal, that the agent has been saying all along, it confirms the validity of the position to the client.
2. The other side can be more frank with IK than can his agent.
3. Opposing parties are less confrontational and more compromising in person.
3. When the client tries to counter the position of the other side he is out of his league, his agent shuts up and he left hanging without strong defenses.
4. Giving in to the other side, instead of JG, allows IK to save face “in the family”.
In this scenario, a deal often emerges and everyone is happy that it is finally over.
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shades Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
@JackKentCooke, Just like to say “well done” when it’s deserved…you deserve it!
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Thanks Rich,
Eric Duhatschek’s article sums it up perfectly. You couldn’t have said it better (well maybe?). I especially like the ‘pre-nuptial’ agreement concept. It does work for some wealthy people. “Be quick, but don’t hurry.” JW.
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Great article by The Globe, thx for providing it to us Rich! Naturally we’re all very interested in how this turns out.
Best of luck to DL & staff for trying to sign Kovi. Get er done but get er done the right way or else walk away.
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@OSE,
Thanks for sharing, but it might be more economical if you post a link instead of the whole article.
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wavesinair Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
@OSE, ditto
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Dominick Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 5:53 pm
@wavesinair,Did you guys see big foot?I don’t see an OSE.lol
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Get this over with and just get it done!!!!! I used to come to this page 2-3 times a day and now I’m coming every 30 minutes wondering if this deal is done!!!!
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What number would simmer be?
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Loskingpride Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
@Blake, He’d still be 17. With everything Kovy has been doing to us fans he can wear 71 like he does when he plays for Russia.
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Atomic Steve Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
@Blake, i’d bet he keeps #17 and Kovi gets a new number.
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Mike L Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
@Atomic Steve,
Simmer stays #17 and Kovy goes to his Olympic number of 71
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Atomic Steve Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
@Mike L, exactly
Sydor25 Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
@Blake,
Whatever number Toronto will let him wear.
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Breaking News:
Fisher signs 3 year deal with Lakers, says the reason is Kobe.
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pesus Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
@Joe Chuck, kings only please
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Old Man Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
@pesus, Agree with you 100%.
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schoeny Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
@Joe Chuck, hhaha. I misspelled Fisher’s name and got a link to: Bobby Fischer’s Body Exumed – is he the parent of a 9-yr old Fillipino girl??
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What I just saw on-line:
” Ilya Kovalchuk at Amazon
Low prices on Ilya Kovalchuk. Qualified orders over $25 ship free.
Amazon.com”
You see that?? Low prices! I dunno why we’re wasting so much time on this guy when there are so many opthers like him we can get cheap.
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Whoa — things are looking good, people! I just heard an unconfirmed report that Kovi did a fake bake, grabbed his fibro and is shredding radical backside air in some cooking surf at the two-six in Manhattan Beach!
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Joe_Dirt Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
@King Homer,
Huh?
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LVKINGS88 Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
@King Homer, Hell that is amazing seeings that there is no surf along the whole coast,it’s a miracle,sign him Deano,DUUUUDE.
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Tookie Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
@LVKINGS88,
OC’s got a little bit, RJ’s
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… Anybody else have their Kovalchuk jersey order half way processed on nhl.com, just waiting to put the correct number (17/71) in and click “proceed to check out”?
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Andrew Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
@TVA333, I may be guilty of this.
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Newf Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
@TVA333, speaking of this, I tried ordering a Kings jersey on nhl.com a couple of months ago. when I put my name and number on it (Dyke, 77)…it rejected my order and said that name is not appropriate. I was not impressed. I did get a laugh out of it for about 10 minutes though. Just thought i’d share
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BigRich Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
@Newf, hahaha wow that sucks.. but i had a friend do the same.. you have to call and they will help u out with that..
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I have been a Kings fan since the 70′s. I had season tickets in Marcel’s first year here. However, never in my rooting career have I seen a Kings team put together the right way like DL has done over the past three years. Having said that, they also have professed that they are in a position to add a significant key piece to the puzzle to take them from pretender to contender. Kovy is that piece. I expect a press conference tomorrow.
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I don’t know if this had been confirmed previously, but NHL.com is reporting that Jay Grossman is in fact in town with Kovalchuk. Previously reports had indicated that it might have be just Ilya.
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Dan H. Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
@Jonathan,
No way Grosman lets him come out without him.
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ESPN (Pierre LaBrun) says that Zach Parise may be available next year. Let NJ have Kovalchuck and lets sign Parise! Trade for him, wait for him… Either way, I’d rather have Parise!
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Is this guy on ESPN Bakersfield serious? Take your time with the buildup buddy. I didn’t get enough guesses as to what you were talking about. I thought maybe he was talking about Pee Wee Football.
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BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
@KB,
Que?
ESPN Bakersfield?
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Rich on now…
http://www.streamaudio.com/Player/Player.aspx?station=KGEO_AM#
Must enter an email address…
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wavesinair Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
Recap: Rich gives a 65% chance of Kovi signing with the Kings. He also said he’s a terrible gambler. Deduction? Kovi’s chances of signing here are guaranteed.
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Eric Duhatscek’s article is a feel good journalist’s fictional fantasy piece and is not grounded in an understanding of how negotiations work in the real world.
He wonders why people don’t start out getting everybody in the room and work things out. Well how do you do that when you have multiple bidders and you don’t want the various parties to know the details of the other offers, particularly when some of the “offers” may not even exist .
The marriage analogy is flawed, because in marriage the parties are emotionally committed to each other pending term and conditions. Here no one is committed without working out terms and conditions.
Additionally, the reason for agents is to have negotiations handled by skill parties rather than amateurs. IK is as able to negotiate a contract as Jay Grossman is to execute a slap shot. The reason IK is here is that JG has been unable to get him to listen to reason and he is hoping the Kings can get through to him.
This is an agent’s Hail Mary not a love-in.
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rontheking Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
@JackKentCooke, Agreed–it would be better if we could get Kovulchuk as a long term girl friend rather than a wife.
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kingme00 Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
@JackKentCooke, That makes almost no sense at all.
Your telling me that Grossman is unable to reason with Kovalchuk and that he needs a face-to-face meeting with LA to ‘finally get it’?
It’s in Grossman’s interest to get every penny possible for his 10%.
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JackKentCooke Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 6:30 pm
@kingme00,
I’m telling that rich, egotistical client/athletes, who have only had people kissing their butts since they were kids, rarely listen to reason and require masterful, deft handling.
The client calls the shots; not the agent.
Agents jump through hoops to get clients and walk on egg shells to maintain them. They have only a handful of big name clients and the loss of one is very costly financially and in terms of their reputation and referrals. It is much easier to retain a client than to get a new one.
Agents do not get paid unless and until a deal is completed. Before a deal is done, if the client is unhappy with the performance of the agent, the agent sometimes can and often is replaced. The agent/client relationship is ongoing and involves many other aspects beyond just the signing of a contract. So even if a contract is signed with an agent that the client us unhappy with, the agent will be replaced at the earliest possible opportunity.
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kingme00 Reply:
July 13th, 2010 at 2:59 am
@JackKentCooke, that’s all fine and dandy, but…
Following your logic, why wouldn’t Kovalchuk take Grossman’s word that his contract demands are not feesible.
Also, we can agree that the loss of Ilya for Puckagency would be a bad financial loss. So with that in mind, it makes no sense that Grossman would be inferring to Ilya to take a lesser amount than what he is looking for. As the agent, he will side with his client and get the max deal possible in accordance with his clients wishes.
And furthermore, why would Ilya need to hear it from LA? This is the part that makes the least sense of all.
No. This is not an “agent’s hail mary”. It’s about Grossman and Kovalchuk meeting with LA to see if a deal can get done.
This isn’t about Grossman getting Kovalchuk to LA in the hopes that LA can ‘get through to him’.
This is GR/IK vs LA.
http://www.nhlpa.com/About-Us/Certified-Agents/Details.aspx?AgentId=452
jay grossman’s cell number is on that page. we should all call him and ask for updates. sorry, im starting to lose it
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Hay jack – don’t be such a buzz kill, unless your in IK’s pocket right now you don’t know what is going on either WE are all speculating. Erik is just say that DL is handling this like a professional and not like a drunkin sailor knowing that more is at stake then just this year. Just wondering – are you a Jersey or DUCK fan?
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I also believe this is Grossman’s last pitch to get the best offer on the table. It will likely get a bit better, but not much and he’ll sign will LA.
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I am surprised that is so easy to get…..
You would think that hockey players would know who to contact to get a number rather than checking the internet….
Their trust is my gain….
I’m calling!
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Thats exactly what we need… a bunch of lunatics calling IK’s agent so that he gets pissed off with the city and convinces Kovy to go somewhere else!
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Our lines would like this if we land Kovi…
Kovi – Kopi- Williams
Smyth – Stoll/Schenn- Brown
Richie – Hanzus – Simmonds
Parse – Moller – Clune
Westgarth, Cliche, Clifford, and Loktionov may also be on the 4th line. The position of Schenn this year all depends on whether Jarret Stoll gets traded or not. If Stoll does get dealt, Schenn becomes the Kings 2nd line center. If Stoll stays in LA, Schenn would likely go back to juniors. It should be intersting to see.
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VanKingsFan Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
@Mendola, LOVE IT… Love it!
I see Clifford pushing, and Cliche pushing, and even Trevor Lewis could push for 3rd or 4th line.
I think Lokti needs a full year of minors before he is ready.
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BigRich Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
@VanKingsFan, wow that 2nd line with Schenn on it.. is like a number one line.. but your fouth line would never be a line..
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bure10 Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
@Mendola, i think schenn is done with juniors…
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Mike L Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
@Mendola,
I personally think a line of
Kovalchuk/Kopitar/Brown would be amazing. Brown being the power forward could open room for kopitar and kovalchuk like smyth did for kopitar this year
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dwave Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 6:21 pm
@Mike L,
Agree 100%. That first line would just be disgusting. Guaranteed 100 goals minimum right there.
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broncokings Reply:
July 12th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
@Mendola, simmer instead of williams
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I’m so insanely bored waiting for an update, I figured a CHAT would be in order…
http://deepinsidethekings.com/2010/07/12/kovalchuk-watch-2010/
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PLLEEEEAAASSSSEEE dont let him watch the news, he’ll never stay….
child molester
railroad car full of pot…(in the city of Commerce for those interested)
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Been pretty quiet this evening! Any news??
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hey Rich any news? or everything still same no deal today? i read few place online that he might sign tomorrow but who knows whats true anymore!!!
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Just like to mention, Danny Briere also came to LA I believe during his free agency period before signing with Philly. Of course, you can interpret that anyway you want.
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CBS News…
“No Kovalchuk Deal Expected Today With Kings”
http://cbs2.com/sports/ilya.kovalchuk.kings.2.1800976.html
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While we wait here is a question for you Rich.(if you can answer) Has having this blog on the Kings website change the way you are covering this story??? When the Kings hired you did this scenario come up??(negotiating a major deal)and what to do if it did?? any insight on that end of it would be great…Thanks!!!
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This is the best hype in franchise history since Wayne came to town…I hope we get him so the excitement pans out for Kings fans, but if not, seriously smart PR for organization. Dean and the staff of coaches have a shared vision and they will find a way to deliver the results they see with a team they believe will produce on the ice. Go Kings Go!
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Why am I on a flight from South Africa back to NY that is currently stopped in the Senegal and all I’ve been doing every hour for the past week is refreshing this site for a Kovi update. I swear. Soccer is great but this is killing me
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