Kings assistant coach Mark Hardy was arrested in Washington, D.C., and has been charged with misdemeanor sexual abuse, a report on KABC-TV’s website said. Hardy was taken into custody overnight and that “the complaint came from a woman in her 20s who claimed to be a relative of Hardy’s,” according to the report. A statement released by the Kings said, “We are aware of the charge. Due to the legal nature of this matter, we will not have any additional comments at this time.” The report said Hardy “is set to be arraigned Friday unless he posts bail.”
Hardy, 51, played in 915 career NHL games, including parts of 11 seasons with the Kings. He was a Kings assistant coach from 1999-2006 under Andy Murray, and returned in 2008 as an assistant coach under Terry Murray.
WTF???? Having met the man on several occasions, I am shocked and find this very hard to believe. Harpo seems like a great guy and I can’t imagine him sexually abusing his own daughter. If it’s true, that’s just disgusting and he needs some serious mental help. If it’s not, it’s ruined his reputation for life. He’s screwed either way.
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wavesinair Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 10:49 am
@HL,
He’s not screwed either way.
People make accusations all the time. And considering it was his daughter, who is 20 years old, makes me believe something is very fishy. Perhaps a family blowup gone public.
Just remember people: innocent until PROVEN guilty.
We seem to be really getting away from this since the dawn of the information age.
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VanKingsFan Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 10:55 am
@wavesinair,
Bravo Waves
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BakoCAkingsCondorsGuy Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 11:16 am
@VanKingsFan,
Yep.
Was thinking the same thing.
Yet, he was arrested…
Must wait and see.
My prayers are with both of them.
variable Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 12:19 pm
@wavesinair,
i agree, WAVES…
the info we have at this point is very preliminary…we just had the lawrence taylor situation evolve after the initial reports…and it would be unfair to assume anything at this point…
however…
this is not the way you want to see anyone epitomized in a headline…so, regardless of the outcome, it does damage him to a certain extent, since the retraction is never as loudly publicized as the subsequent first headline (hypothesizing in a best-case scenario that harpo will be exonerated)…
but yeah, it’s wait and see…
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wavesinair Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 1:19 pm
@variable, My guess on how this plays out will largely depend on what happens next.
He will go before a judge where official charges will either be made or dropped. If his daughter signs an affidavit, which means she’s willing to testify, then it is very bad news for him. But if she makes a retraction or refuses to press charges, then this whole thing could very easily blow over as fast as it started.
I feel like we’ll know one way or another whether or not this was a huge family blowout or something much deeper and troubling.
wavesinair Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 2:17 pm
also… a fellow Kings fan reminded me of the Christian Bale assault charges filed by his own mother and sister, which turned out to be false. They wanted money from him and he refused. So we’ll see, but when people say things like, “I can’t imagine she would make it up,” just remember that, yes, she can. We’ll see, but the fact is we just don’t know yet.
PakiFro Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 11:48 am
@HL, Who said it was his daughter?
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holly Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 12:53 pm
@PakiFro,
That’s what several other “news” outlets are reporting.
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PakiFro Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 1:39 pm
@holly,
interesting. I can’t imagine his daughter just making that up.
wavesinair Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 3:02 pm
@PakiFro, It’s been reported by multiple sources that his daughter goes to georgetown university, which is in DC. It’s also reported by multiple sources that the woman in question is a relative of hardy. But only ONE source is reporting it’s his daughter soooo, I guess it could be some othe relative and not his daughter. Regardless, it’s a very strange story.
Here’s the video…
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/sports/pro/hockey&id=7454561
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OH my god WTF. I hope its not true.
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Tim (From the OC) Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 10:26 am
@Richard Lane, DITTO!
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Wow… my jaw just dropped! This is shocking. I truly hope he’s innocent, but if he isn’t then I hope justice is served.
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According to TMZ, it’s his daughter….so I’m really hoping it’s a misunderstanding.
http://www.tmz.com/2010/05/21/nhl-coach-mark-hardy-los-angeles-kings-hockey-sexual-abuse-daughter/
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pr0cess Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 1:49 pm
@lilwaynesimmonds, Hate to say this but TMZ doesnt mess around, what they say is fairly acurate.
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holly Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 2:01 pm
@pr0cess,
I’m sure they’re dead on for WHY he was arrested, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that the whole thing is true.
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FREE MARK HARDY!
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NO WORDS WTF MARK
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Huh???
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krtake…:S
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If TMZ reports it i don’t believe a word. Hopefully this isn’t true.
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wavesinair Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 10:57 am
@oldthunder,
KABC, Rich and TMZ all reported the same thing. An accusation has been made. That’s all.
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Michelle Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 11:12 am
@oldthunder,
Becuase they were wayy offf base with that whole Michael Jackson is dead thing…oh wait, they were the first to report it.
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VanKingsFan Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 11:51 am
@Michelle, haha, a celebrity hound defending TMZ… what has the world come too.
I literally start to gag when TMZ starts on TV.. between dry heaves I scramble for the remote, or the power cord, or anything that will get that GARBAGE off the screen
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Michelle Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 1:21 pm
@VanKingsFan,
I agree it’s garbage, but they’re pretty accurate. And they did have that amazing video of a drunk Phaneuf singing Piano Man in vegas.
luc20rules Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 7:58 pm
@VanKingsFan, I agree with both of you it is accurate that TMZ is garbage, and that TMZ reports accurate garbage excusively. I will wait until this all clears up before voicing any opinion on Hardy.
Bob Bobson Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 12:14 pm
@Michelle, Hey even Eklund gets one right every now and then too. That doesn’t make him a source of hockey news.
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David Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 1:27 pm
@Bob Bobson,
no he doesnt.
Please let this be a false accusation. I can’t handle this kind of stuff.
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This wouldn’t be happening if the Kings were playing in round three!!!
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Lanny McDonald's 'Stache Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 3:28 pm
@Stuart,
Heh, that was my first reaction as well when I heard this.
Let’s hope it’s not true. You never want to think the worst about someone, especially when they’re a big part of the most important organization to you
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Okay.
I’m going to get a bunch of slack for this but… for the sake of argument I’m going to approach this from another angle … especially since we have no information other than the accusation.
First of all she’s 21, not 9… so … I’m a little befuddled as to how this happened … my first inclination is that she’s pissed at him for something else and made this up to get him into trouble.
Honestly there are no more moral compasses with that generation.
Secondly, let’s say this DID happen. How exactly? Did he come from behind??? To me that’s the only way because… again she’s 21 not 9 … if she can’t read a bad approach and exit the situation then there’s something wrong in her brain. NOT that I’m excusing that behavior it’s just that … really? At what point did you decide what was going on was wrong????
Too early to tell but until all the facts are in, Mark’s innocent until PROVEN guilty.
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edwood2 Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 11:09 am
@Matt George, Agree completely.
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WWAMD Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 11:11 am
@Matt George,
Man, the world is a messed up place.
Who knows if this happened at all.
But who know if this has been happening all along and finally at the age of 21, his daughter had enough and decided to put an end to it. People in those postions feel helpless and don’t usually have fight or flight instinct. Its her father and she will always see him as that. Until maybe 21 where she feels like she has enough strength to call the cops because she is not as dependent on him as before. Much like abusive relationships between couples. Most of the time it is not reported but when it is, its not usually the first time it happened.
Hardy is in the spotlight as well, and is a man in position of power and his daughter probably lives a life of luxury. Which makes it even harder for her to give it all up for her own safety. This also sucks for her and not him. Alot of kids hope that parents “grow out” of this behaviour as they get older. I think 21 was the breaking point for this girl and enough is enough. But you have to remember it takes a lot of guts to come out and reveal this info to the public cause she is seen as “damaged goods” now and will have to face friends and peers. Totally sucky situation really.
She is also 21, to make up a story like that as “revenge” is kinda of weird. Especially at a vulnerable stage in her life where sexuality is important. Maybe physical abuse would have been a “better” revenge story because her father would be seen as “abusive” and we’d all feel sorry for her. However, sexual abuse makes her feel weird around people too.
I don’t know, all I know is that I don’t want to see Hardy behind the bench anymore. Sorry Mark.
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wavesinair Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 11:18 am
@Matt George,
Agreed. It’s totally fishy. The accusation itself doesn’t add up. I think it’s safe to say there is much more going on than we know.
The only think I disagree with Matt is: “there are no more moral compasses with that generation.”
It’s too much of a generalization. Perhaps it’s more prevalent, but certainly not a rule per se.
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Matt George Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 12:18 pm
@wavesinair,
agreed waves … don’t like to much generalizations myself… point taken.
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Either way, innocent or guilty, Hardy is done with the Organization. There is no way he could stand behind the bench with a team knowing that what did, or could have happened. Its just too weird. Especially being his daughter.
On the bright side.
PLEASR HIRE GUY BOUCHER NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DEANO, I’ve been asking for this since Murray got hired!
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wavesinair Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 11:24 am
@WWAMD,
“There is no way he could stand behind the bench with a team knowing that what did, or could have happened.”
This is ludicrous on many levels.
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WWAMD Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 11:25 am
@wavesinair,
Dude if it was all over the news that you raped your daughter. Would you want to show your face at work again? Even if it wasn’t true?
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wavesinair Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 11:47 am
“Would you want to show your face at work again?”
If the accusation is completely false, then yes, absolutely I would want to clear my name with anybody and everybody who would listen, especially my friends, family and professional relationships.
What would you do? Just crawl into a hole and give up on life?
WWAMD Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 12:01 pm
@WWAMD,
It would be hard for me to show up at work. I would try to start a new life elsewhere after being proved innocent of course. Its hard. In this society people like to look at the negative and dwell on it. I’m a product of that. As of now Hardy is in the dog house for me, along with Gretzky, Fluery’s Coach.
VanKingsFan Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 12:18 pm
@WWAMD, Hey now! Why the Gretzky hate??
wavesinair Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 12:38 pm
@WWAMD,
“In this society people like to look at the negative and dwell on it. I’m a product of that.”
This is a perfect example of how each of us creates our own reality. And since you believe it, it’s true for you. But that is all. And it’s sad.
WWAMD Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 12:53 pm
@WWAMD,
Wavesinair…why are site like TMZ and Perez Hilton ever so popular? I’m generalizing society and its behaviours towards negative news. Turn on the news channel and tell me how many reports are negative and how many are positive. We dwell too much on the negative. Whats in the news is Oil Spill, North Korea wants war, Lohan arrested. How many times do you hear, kid saves sister from getting hit by car. So and So donates money to charity, so and so is making a difference in Africa. No…we tend to remember things like Michael Jackson “accused of raping” boys. Yet he was never proven he did so and no one remembers all the time and money he gave to charities..So please tell me I’m in my own little reality, when the fact of the matter is, media has sold us this reality and we absorb it like little puppets.
holly Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 1:19 pm
@WWAMD,
Part of the reason that we see so much negative news is because stations know that keeps viewers, so they get it into the broadcast. It’s a vicious circle, really.
But I don’t think that you can say that the society as a whole looks at the negative and dwells on it. I know that if I’m Hardy and the accusation is proven to be false, I’m going right back into work with my head held high. You can’t say that people only remember the negatives because it just isn’t true. Sure, when a new accusation towards Michael Jackson would come up, the past accusations would be remembered. But how about all the other stars who for the most part have over come the stigma attached to their behaviors? No one mentions that Hugh Grant was caught with a prostitute these days. And when I see Robert Downey Jr., I certainly don’t think of how many times he was arrested or gone through rehab. A great part of how you’re viewed is how you want to be viewed.
I say that if this turns out to be a false accusation and Hardy comes back with his head held high and ready to move on, in six months most people won’t even remember he was arrested.
Unless the Kings are tanking.
wavesinair Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 1:47 pm
@holly,
thank you for taking the time to write that. i couldn’t muster the energy to counteract the negativity.
it used to be called yellow journalism. it’s hardly new and it actually used to be much more devastating because a person couldn’t fight back against the Hearst’s of the world. Now you can because of the internet.
the bottom line is, if you are innocent, you can absolutely fight back and recover. it will be very hard, but you can do it.
txkingsfan Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 11:34 am
@WWAMD, I’m just surprised that WWAMD did not blame TM or DL for this like he has done with everything else in the past two years.
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Wow, this is shocking. It’s an unfortunate situation whether it’s true or not.
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Woohoo Kings made the local news!!! Wait… What?!
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SLO Geo Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 12:03 pm
@BringBackLubo,
LOL’ed…thanks, I needed that.
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Tmik Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 12:34 pm
@BringBackLubo,
I’ll admit, I did too.
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Well, this is not a hockey issue, it’s a criminal one. The fact that I’m a Kings fan doesn’t make me more inclined to believe Mark Hardy is innocent any more than being a Ducks fan would make me inclined to believe he’s guilty. Waves is totally on the money: we know nothing but what’s on the news, which is simply that there has been a charge and he’s been arrested and the person making the charge is his daughter.
Having said everything I just said, I was wondering if anyone else found this detail of the story a little suspicious:
The news report said the incident happened early this morning (i.e. after midnight, I assume) and the charges were filed this morning. The charge was not “child sexual abuse” or whatever it’s really called. She didn’t say that her father sexually abused her years ago and she’s only now coming forward. (for all we know this will become the charge, but it’s not the charge that’s being reported.) She said he sexually assaulted her approx 12 hours ago.
I’m sure there is more to this story.
To me, the suspicious part is that it took this woman no more than 6 hours (assuming she didn’t sleep, which I guess would be a safe assumption) to decide to bring up criminal charges on her own father, charges which she knew would have the likely result of (at best) making his life a living hell for the foreseeable future if not (at worst) utterly destroying him forever.
Without in any way minimizing the trauma of such an event, I think six hours is a pretty quick turnaround. Short of murder, my guess is most people would be hesitant to accuse their parents of a crime.
I’m not insinuating anything either way. Again, I defer to the wisdom of Waves. We don’t know what happened and it’s pointless to speculate.
Shorter me: I just think it’s unlikely that the actual story unfolded exactly as reported. Absent other details, it’s not how humans behave.
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WWAMD Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 11:22 am
@Quisp,
Like I said in a previous post. This may be going on for years. I don’t think someone just happens to sexually abuse his daughter one day at the age of 21.
I think 21 was the breaking point for her. She is more aware of the world and has had enough. I imagine that this incident did happen and after 6 hours of thinking about it. BECAUSE this harms HER reputation as well and her WHOLE family. 6 hours of thinking about all the times it happened before and NOT wanting to call the cops. She probably figured after 6 hours of pondering she had no choice as this will probably happen again and she had enough. ITS A HUGE move to call the cops on your parents and it HARDLY happens. Look at all the messed up parents in the world and you hardly hear kids calling the cops on them. Instead we get kids that lead messed up lives because of their parents. In a way I’m proud of her for calling the police and hope this sends a message to other girls and boys that are in the same situation.
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launch Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 11:50 am
@WWAMD,
dude i get what you saying but hang on…..
kids these days have no regard for anything but themselves. I don’t think she was at all worried about her families reputation…please.
Also what facts to you have to support your claim that “it hardly ever happens”???
I know a good man who went through his son trying to “divorce” him….why you ask? He wouldn’t let him play football. seriously
we don’t know the facts so let not jump the gun
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WWAMD Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 11:58 am
@launch,
I deal with kids all the time. So things like “trying to divorce” parents makes more sense then sexual abuse claims. Trying to divorce parents involved just the parents. Sexual abuse also makes the child look bad.
When I deal with kids, they often tell me things that they should be telling the police. But its hard for them to do so because ALL they know is family and if they call the cops and take that away from them..what do they have left. Remember parents are people who shelter you and feed you. No matter how horrible they are, they provide you with basic needs. As a child how can you turn your back on those basic needs. Its a hard decision to make.
Lanny McDonald's 'Stache Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 3:33 pm
@launch,
Can we stop with the ageism and the idea that anyone around 21 years old these days (I’m 24 by the way) is a morally bankrupt self-absorbed idiot? It’s really starting to annoy me.
buck turgidson Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 11:27 am
@Quisp,
This story makes sense in the realm of ongoing abuse. She could have decided at any point in time that she has had enough. Unless she is insane it took a great deal of courage to report this.
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Quisp Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 2:24 pm
@buck turgidson, @wwamd
I think it’s probably a good idea to hold off before saying what obviously happened and what obviously didn’t happen. She might be a hero. She might be a nut. She might be an abuse victim. She might be a drug addict. She might be a russian plant.
it’s natural for the whole “history of childhood abuse” angle to occur to everyone. but the reason it does is because her behavior doesn’t make sense unless something else is going on. Childhood abuse could be the something. Could be something else.
all anyone can say at this point is he’s got a f-ed up family. there’s no way around that at this point. but the exact nature of how it’s f-ed up can’t be gleaned from two inches of copy on TMZ.
good time to re-read The Crucible.
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variable Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 12:23 pm
@Quisp,
yeah…again all great points by you, WAVES and everyone else who shares this perspective…
i will just reiterate the following…:
this is not the way you want to see anyone epitomized in a headline…so, regardless of the outcome, it does damage him to a certain extent, since the retraction is never as loudly publicized as the subsequent first headline (hypothesizing in a best-case scenario that harpo will be exonerated)…
but yeah, it’s wait and see…
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Damn it! Why couldn’t it be Jamie Kompon that tried to score with his daughter.
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Kinguy Josh Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 11:27 am
@Nyck,
Someone had to say it…..
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notayoungster Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 11:38 am
@Nyck, I have a daughter; you aren’t funny bud. Whatever happened it shouldn’t become a joke.
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VanKingsFan Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 11:45 am
@notayoungster, What happened to free speech? Either everything is okay to talk and joke about or nothing is…
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notayoungster Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 11:56 am
@VanKingsFan, You’re right…class is optional
notayoungster Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 11:46 am
@Nyck, This is not something to make a joke about. I have a daughter.
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VanKingsFan Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 11:53 am
@notayoungster, There are some amazing and a fully disgusting jokes out there. They are for entertainment purposes only. If you laugh it is not because you condone the activity.
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capt jam Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 12:08 pm
@Nyck,
I have two daughters and that’s pretty funny in and of itself. Lighten up, people.
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Nyck Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 1:23 pm
My apologies. I forgot to shed the DEEP condolences, and sincerity to this entire dilemna…that there are people with NO sense of humor. It was funny.
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holly Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 1:24 pm
@Nyck,
Eh, it wasn’t that funny.
But it wasn’t as offensive as it could’ve been, either.
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wavesinair Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 3:40 pm
@Nyck,
Ok, I’ll play.
Sorry Rich, but Hardy is the REAL LA Kings Insider…
Insider pants that is! Zing!
(I couldn’t help it, sorry)
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Wow. A lot of people here seem to be trying to punch holes in the daughter’s story without ANY facts either which way. The fact that Hardy is a member of the Kings organization means absolutely nothing, and has absolutely no bearing on whether these claims are true or not. Let’s just let the justice system do its thing.
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quisp Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 3:15 pm
@rick,
yes, for instance the fact that the reporters are now backing off it being his daughter. maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. i agree with you, no facts have emerged, other than there was a woman, who is related to hardy in some way, and she went into the bathroom, and then she got into bed, and then she woke up, and then she called the cops. presumably that’s not the whole story.
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The reason why his reputation is ruined is illustrated several times above I guess. Even though he is still innocent it seems most people have already jumped to their own conclusions. I have seen the word “rape” also used. Sexual abuse does not mean rape, but since it has been mentioned people will start automatically thinking it was rape.
I would hope the org. and his friends stand beside him until proven guilty… but as human nature has shown us, they will not.
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WWAMD Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 11:52 am
@VanKingsFan,
Rape was only used in my post. And it wasn’t in regards to Hardy. I was using it as an example of “if someone accused you of something like rape. Would you show up for work?”
I’m in no way saying what Hardy is accused of being rape.
Also if I was in the org. I wouldn’t stand beside him…at least not close enough to where he can reach down of pants…OHHHHH ZING!
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WWAMD Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 11:53 am
@WWAMD, “my pants” not of pants
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VanKingsFan Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 11:55 am
@WWAMD, I know you didn’t accuse him of rape, but by using it as an example you are implying it (in some peoples minds).
p.s. LOL … are you sure? Hardy is a good looking man..
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Gizmo Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 11:53 am
@VanKingsFan, thanks for pointing out what I have been noticing. The charges are Misdemeanor Sexual Abuse. I looked it up ’cause I was curious. No force involved. No penetration involved. Precise definitions vary.
Won’t ennumerate them all here, just please check things before making accusations. Or just wait until the justice system does its thing.
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quisp Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 3:16 pm
@Gizmo,
prosecutors have upgraded it to felony
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Jorgen Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 11:56 am
@VanKingsFan, I actually hope the org. stands behind the entire family during this process.
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A bunch of old people in here…don’t try and bring it down to a “generational” thing. Every single generations “kids” after the 1950′s have acted a fool. And also, no one cares if you don’t like someone’s joke or not, you live in America, Nyck can say whatever he wants, and so can anyone else, your follow up isn’t required.
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WWAMD Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 12:04 pm
@USCG,
THANK YOU, for bring up the whole generational thing. You can’t possibly generalize a group based on youtube vidoes.
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USCG Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 12:14 pm
@WWAMD, I sometimes wonder if anyone else on this site is in their 20′s like me. Im 22. It gets annoying to come on here and listen to some people bicker about “young guys this and this”. No disrespect to any one of any age. I especially give props to the older Kind’s fans who have been around since the begining but jesus lighten up Im sorry I wasn’t born 40 years ago.
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VanKingsFan Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 12:28 pm
@USCG, 25 years under my belt of life.
Cry Baby Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 12:25 pm
@USCG, Yeah…anyone born in or before the 1950′s was completely repressed. The kids that were born of this generation changed America.
Nyck can say whatever he wants and anyone can reply to his stupid comment. Isn’t that freedom too?
I work with abused children and crap like this tears apart families and can have a life long affect on the victim. We don’t know what happened but in my opinion joking is off limits. Try and imagine if this were your family for a second.
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Mark 1 Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 1:17 pm
@Cry Baby,
“Anyone born in or before the 1950’s was completely repressed.” If you are not that old, how would you know?
People have always been freaky, even hundreds of years ago; they just weren’t always stupid about it.
By the way, kids who grew up during the Great Depression are the ones who made the America that you live in today.
Given the way that things are going these days, it looks like we are going to find out what it is like to live through a depression (CA 19 Bil. in the red and counting!!).
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VanKingsFan Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 1:33 pm
@Mark 1,
Its simple.. legalize and tax a simple plant, and Cali will be out of debt in a year or so. I just hope BC figures that out before Cali does.
Mark 1 Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 2:18 pm
@VanKingsFan
It would work if they can make grades of it stronger than on the black market!! You could have “light weed” (like beer) and “strong weed” (like whiskey).
The problem with that is, because smoking is bad for you, the government will have to tell you can’t do it (like having salt in your food).
Cutting down weed will take oxygen out of the atmosphere and when you exhale, it creates CO2 so the EPA will want to regulate it (they already have named CO2 a harmful gas).
Do you remember all the PSA’s and tobacco lawsuits over the course of the past 25 years trying to convince people not to smoke?
You are right though, with a little bud and oil, Cali would be richer than Saudi Arabia!!
First Heidi, now Harpo. The Kings are on their way to becoming the Raiders of the NHL. Deano needs to tighten the grip here internally and get some serious personnel/HR training in place before something somewhere turns into litigation that will drag the team through the mud for an extended time. Meanwhile, I am going to start a Kings crime blog.
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Kinguy Josh Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 1:54 pm
@Capt Jam,
Seriously? Don’t ever mention the Kings in the same sentence as that debacle again. You shall be shunned.
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Mark 1 Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 2:21 pm
@Capt Jam,
What did Heidi do? Seriously, I must have missed it.
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holly Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 2:38 pm
@Mark 1,
She was arrested for driving under the influence.
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puck73 Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 2:50 pm
@Mark 1, DUI back in December.
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Getting off the topic of keeping one’s nose out of other peoples business
GOOD NEWS FOR KINGS FANS: Rumor has it the Kovalchuk is going to stay in Europe.
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WWAMD Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 12:09 pm
@USHA#17,
Bad news. I knew Kovi wouldn’t come here when news about Hardon came about.
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VanKingsFan Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 12:20 pm
@USHA#17, Don’t you contradict yourself here…. by sticking your nose in Kovalchuk’s business?
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Jorgen Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 12:37 pm
@VanKingsFan, rumor is not Kovalchuks business.
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USHA#17 Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 3:07 pm
@VanKingsFan,
Did I say something that riled you?
Mucking about in sordid sex charges hardly equates with discussing hockey deals.
This isn’t about Gilmore leaving St. Louis is it?
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Matt George Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 12:44 pm
@USHA#17,
Well as you said it’s a rumor.
If true tho it would hardly be surprising… I’m sure he’s getting a kick out of playing along side his countrymen right now.
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USHA#17 Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 3:35 pm
@Matt George,
Through cap issues would have kept him away it appears Pit will hang on to Malkin.
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it was reallly his daughter??????
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For those who haven’t seen the story on TMZ:
“…his daughter told cops that Mark “put his hand down [her] shorts and touched her genital area without her permission.”"
http://www.tmz.com/2010/05/21/nhl-coach-mark-hardy-los-angeles-kings-hockey-sexual-abuse-daughter/
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David Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 1:38 pm
@WhatWouldHarpoDo,
Would it really have mattered if she gave permission or not?
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holly Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 1:57 pm
@David,
Legally, yes.
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Traded For a Pick Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 3:02 pm
@holly,
Vomit inducing, no.
Bleg
“mistamener sexual assault”….not sexual abuse or anything else. One time incident…look things up and get the facts before you spout off. Since when do people believe everything they hear on the news? Take a second more and find things out for yourself, don’t be a follower, be an individual and get the facts. Isn’t that what you would like your friends and family to do if you were in the same situation?
Have a nice day!!
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Remember the good ol’ days when we used to talk about Hockey at LA Kings Insider?
//le sigh
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WWAMD Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 12:24 pm
@DBB,
Remember the good old days when assistant coaches weren’t accused of fondling their daughters….sigh
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Tookie Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 12:28 pm
@WWAMD, And Blake was the Devil, Mikus was Jesus.
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I guess This explains the kings youth movement…
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Mikko Makela Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 1:15 pm
@The Hockey Don,
Now that is funny!
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VanKingsFan Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 1:34 pm
@The Hockey Don,
LOL, best post of the day
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“Misdamener Sexual Assault” One time alleged episode, not abuse or anything else that you have come up with or reported.
You don’t always have to be the first to reply or respond and since when do we become dependant on the news giving us anything credible when it is breaking news? Do something different and novel and gather facts before forming an opinion, making aqusations or making stupid comments.
Wouldn’t you want your friends and family looking into the facts of any situation you were in or would you rather them spout off at the month because TMZ or whatever new channel happens to blab out?
Have a nice day!!
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it’s also important to state that if there is any truth to these reports and that there’s enough evidence…evidence…for the district attorney to make a case, then harpo should be tried and have an opportunity to state his case in a court of law…obviously, no one knows the extent of anything right now…
but if he is guilty of sexually abusing someone, regardless of their age…(guys, abuse is abuse)…then he should be punished per the customary terms of such violations…it would be refreshing to see that harpo gets the same treatment all of us would under these trying circumstances…
like everyone else here, i hope that this comes to a quick and fair outcome for all the parties that are unfortunately involved in this…and that ultimately, justice is served…which includes the same publicity in exonerating harpo if these claims are proved to be untrue…
innocent until otherwise proven…
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wavesinair Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 12:50 pm
@variable, “but if he is guilty of sexually abusing someone, regardless of their age…(guys, abuse is abuse)”
I think the point is that it is extremely unlikely that a father, all of the sudden, decides to sexually abuse his daughter at the age of 21.
It seems to me that either much more abuse happened in the past or she is really angry about something else and completely made up the accusation out of spite.
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variable Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 1:16 pm
@wavesinair,
“It seems to me that either much more abuse happened in the past or she is really angry about something else and completely made up the accusation out of spite.”
it also could be something else not related to sexual abuse, etc…
it might be considered unlikely, but does anyone know his daughter here?…(if that is actually the person involved)…and the same type of respect should be offered to her, at this point…
- she doesn’t have a public reputation…(does she?)…
- you would have to figure the police arrested harpo on more than just an accusation…there would have to be some corroborating evidence or something to the extent of forcing the police to place him into custody…
i know it’s hard, but i think there has to be some assumption given to law enforcement that they just didn’t randomly arrest him…
and that they did so at the request of an adult, not a minor, should lend a little more relevance than the fact that this is more than just a “kids” issue…
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wavesinair Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 1:55 pm
@variable, “you would have to figure the police arrested harpo on more than just an accusation”
no no no no no V.
absolutely false. people get arrested based on allegations all the time. her statement is all that is needed for the police to arrest him. you’re very much mistaken here my friend.
variable Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 7:10 pm
@WAVES,
a pull-quote from the article QUISP posted above…:
“There was apparently enough evidence to arrest him. “
i know what yr saying, but i think you need some substantiation…apparently, they found some…
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wtf…
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Wow…
I don’t want to believe it and I won’t until he’s formally accused in court or he confesses.
As Waves said, INNOCENT until proven….
If he is innocent, he still loses as his family now has some serious issues. Either way, this hurts.
Praying for him and his entire family.
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The basic fallout from this, as concerns us here, is that now Rich is faced with a REAL NEWS STORY. I in no way want to imply that Rich cannot handle the responsibilities of a professional journalist, but, he does work for the Kings, and in all probability, Hardy is certainly well known to him, and possibly even a friend. This is a tough situation for all involved, and I hope for an honest, truthful resolution, in whatever form that make take. Geez.
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holly Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 1:59 pm
@IceGuy,
He handled the Heidi situation perfectly fine. Granted that was a little bit of a smaller story, but Rich was completely professional and forthcoming about it.
I’m sure this will be no different.
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Am I the only A-hole worried about our penalty kill???
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Am I the only one here worried about our PK???
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wavesinair Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 2:20 pm
@KingsRule, no worries, kompon will now handle both the pp and the pk.
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714ish Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 2:26 pm
@wavesinair, wasn’t Kompon running the PP when it was white-hot during the Vancouver series? )
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wavesinair Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 2:39 pm
@714ish, no. (i kid, i kid) kompon is fine, i’m just not a big fan of his. but you are totally correct.
Capt Jam Reply:
May 22nd, 2010 at 6:48 am
@KingsRule,
This could open the door for O’D to step behind the bench and take over the Kings PK.
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“Eyewitness News has confirmed Hardy’s sexual assault charge was upgraded from a misdemeanor to a felony. He was taken into custody overnight at the Mayflower Hotel. Police said the complaint came from a woman in her 20s who claimed to be a relative of Hardy’s.
The woman said she and Hardy and several other people went to a bar to drink. They walked back to hotel, and she said she went into the bathroom to change into a T-shirt and shorts to go to bed. At some point, she says he got in bed with her, and she woke up.
There was apparently enough evidence to arrest him. “
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Quisp Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 2:39 pm
@Quisp (me)
Note:
1) no longer a misdemeanor.
2) Eyewitness News is unwilling to go with “daughter.” Now it’s “woman who claimed to be related.”
3) taken into custody overnight. this means there was no deliberation at all on her part. it happened, she called the cops, he was hauled in.
4) the bit about going into the bathroom and then suddenly he’s in the room with her and she wakes up?? Uh, there’s something missing from this story.
I believe less now than I did an hour ago.
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quisp Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 2:41 pm
@Quisp,
ABC has upgraded her to “a female relative.”
Forgive me if I go back to my life and wait for the actual facts to be established.
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Anonymous Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 2:59 pm
@quisp, Thanx for being a voice of reason dude. I am 46 and one thing I have learned in my fairly long life is that quite often things arent always as they seem. Many times I have either heard, or saw something and I swear that I thoght I knew exactly what was going on and the I found out later that I was wrong again. That is why I am very reluctant to submit an opinion on this unfortunate situation. I am not saying that he didnt do anything, what I can say without a doubt was that none of us were there and I am willing to let this play out before I pass any judgement.
Dan H. Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 3:03 pm
@Quisp,
Sucks for Hardy that ABC decides that NOW is the time to cover hockey. Can’t drag it out of their sporstcasts.
Time to wait for the facts to unfold and condemn neither Hardy or the girl yet.
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puck73 Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 3:06 pm
@Quisp, Thanx for being a voice of reason dude. I am 46 years old and one thing I have found out in my life that happens quite often is that just when I think I know exactly what happened I find out that I was wrong yet again ! And no, I am not saying Mark didnt do anything, what I am saying is that lets let this thing get ta court 1st if it gets that far before we assume anything and thats why I am not going to comment on this just yet.
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Crash Davis Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 3:53 pm
@puck73, the report says they went to a bar to drink. Is it possible that Hardy A) has a drinking problem and/or B) was drunk last night?
I’m not condoning Hardy’s alleged actions…just saying perhaps – if true – he did something incredibly stupid while smashed.
wavesinair Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 2:49 pm
Here’s the news video…
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/sports/pro/hockey&id=7454561
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It is a tough day for the Hardy family. This is the kind of blindsiding news that hits at lunch on Friday, that destroys many lives forever. Let’s hope that it works out to be a misunderstanding. Prayers to every member on the family.
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Get on the case, Rich!
Hire a private investigator, and get to the bottom of this. I’m serious, man.
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Whoa! Weird, eh? (Canadian for getting pretty strange)
Rich should have had a poll or a letter system so you could save space:
a) he did
b) he didnt
c) Wish I was there
d) Sorry they put you out, Mark
e) :Let Us Pray
f) All of the Above
g) None of the Above, he’s a hillbelly
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luc20rules Reply:
May 21st, 2010 at 8:27 pm
@USAH#17, you forgot
h) Wish, I had a time machine to go back to yesterday, because I don’t even want to deal with the fact the accusation was made.
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