Brandon Segal will be eligible to be sent to Manchester if he clears waivers at 9 a.m. tomorrow.
A slightly different look with the forward lines in practice this morning:
Richardson-Kopitar-Brown
Smyth-Stoll-Simmonds
Frolov-Handzus-Parse
Ivanans/Moller/Purcell/Segal
I like Segal, but he really is just another plug that can be replaced by just about any other player in Manchester. He is just barely a step above Zeiler
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A slightly different look with the forward lines in practice this morning:
Really? The lines have been juggled so often that these really do feel very familiar. Richardson has played with both Kopitar and Brown over the course of the past couple of months, Brown of course has played with Kopitar in the past. All the “S” people have played with each other (on the ice) numerous times, and the whole Handzus, Frolov and Parse thing has been a unit as recently as last game. As for the fourth line melange, we’ve seen it all before…
Where does Whitney fit
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Shame on you Brian.
Zeiler is a fly on a windshield. Segal IS the windshield!
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why was Segal put on waivers????
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Does placing Segal on waivers open a roster spot? Looks like we are only carrying 22 without him. No corresponding move doesn’t mean a trade is imminent, but it certainly makes things easier to put a traded player on the roster.
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we are lacking some toughness and teams can run us over if we don’t have some soon. Simmonds and Ivanans can’t do it all. Call up Clune and put him on the 4th line and make it what a 4th line should be… Energy line, Purcell doesn’t have any Energy and shouldn’t even be with the club…
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I’m surprised he’s not waiver-exempt. I guess he had a contract in Tampa, which he signed…when he was 25…which gave him one year of exemption…and now he’s past it? Yeah, that’s got to be it.
I doubt he clears.
Why do this? You’ve got 13 forwards listed above, plus, Doughty, Harrold, Johnson, Scuderi, Greene, Drewiske, SOD, Jones…that’s 8 and the goalies is 10. That’s 23.
If he’s being waived, then it’s to make room for someone. Who? Elkins?
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I like Zeiler. May not have been a pretty player but he had heart.
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Whitney nixed a trade to the Kings as per TSN. He wanted a 3yr extension on his contract and the Kings declined. Do we know who was offered?
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Elkins makes sense. He’s being doing quite well in Manchester since his demotion after repeated brain farts in the offensive zone that lead to turnovers and goals. I like Elkins play for the most part.
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lol, seriously did you say Elkins? LOL!
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I think they’re going to risk getting him to manchester for the olympic break and if they lose him bring up Clune. If there is a trade in the works I think its picks for a bottom level guy.
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I know that this has been covered here ad nauseum before, but I don’t understand something.
I understand trying to get Segal some playing time with the two week Olympics break coming up, but with the line combinations at practice this morning, that means Purcell is on the fourth line. I thought fourth line players were supposed to be more grit than glitter.
Is that what we really want to do? I think Segal is more valuable in that spot, if for nothing else but for the check he laid on Jovanovski earlier.
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Elkins, the leading scorer in Manchester, yes. He’s having a good year. Scored a nice goal when he was up here, too.
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i don’t think i can watch another period of Kopitar and Brown… really Terry?
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Kings were carrying an extra player when Drewiske came off the IR. This evens it out.
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Mike -
You are right about the 4th line grit part. Don’t get to bent about Purcell on the 4th, because he isn’t. Teddy is just a name on a list at this point of the season, he’s not on any line.
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Mike -
It’s not just for “playing time.” You wouldn’t risk it. I seriously doubt he’ll clear. Lombardi has to be bringing someone up. I said Elkins, but sure it could be Clune. Could be a trade, too, of course, but if that’s the case it’s just for picks or prospects, because if we were sending a roster player back, you wouldn’t need to clear space. I’m sticking with call-up as the safe bet.
Jammer -
yeah, just saw your comment. I agree, picks for a bottom-six forward or something.
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Purcell needs to be off this team.
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joey -
you can’t carry an extra player. when drewiske was activated, that brought us to 23. Unless I can’t count, which is always possible.
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Elkins was diven personally to the airport by TM for miserable play, he isn’t being called back for the stretch run to the post season, and then playoffs. Try again…
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I liked the fourth line of Parse/Moller/Purcell the Kings had out for part of the game against Detroit. That is a line that can do some scoring damage against the slugs of another team’s fourth line. Often, that is better than trying to inflict some physical damage.
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TM needs to stay consistent with lines eventually, I really don’t like Kopi and Brown 2gether.
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Elkins makes sense, because then you can put Moller in the 3rd line RW position and have Elkins center the 4th line.. But I would still rather it be a trade, we need some help
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Belexes – thanks for that explanation.
I’m not bent about Purcell on the fourth line. Quite frankly, I’m not sure where he fits, to be honest about it.
Quisp – you don’t think Segal will clear waivers?
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Belexes, Elkins is a kid and is expected to make bonehead plays once in a while – even Doughty shows his youth at times. Elkins could have easily stayed with the club and been a healthy scratch but it was more important for him to take his lessons from the big club and apply them at Manchester – which he has done so very nicely (take a look at his stats since his return). DL understands this and is not going to judge a player based on a few games, especially at the beginning of his career.
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Quisp – yeah, I kind of thought that the activation of Drewiske might have had something to do with putting Segal on waivers.
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I’ll put it at 70% he clears waivers, don’t think too many in the east will collect him and it’ll be hard for most of the western teams to do so.
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Any chance of bringing Ovechkin to LA. The trade of the new century.
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It’s possible i’m counting wrong, but i don’t think so.
As far as BS clearing waivers, he’s good and cheap. He’s a good bottom six option. I think he’ll get picked up. Especially by someone like, oh, Edmonton, who has (as the Edm bloggers keep saying) 12 of the same small fast perimeter forwards. just a thought. i hope he clears. i fear he won’t.
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Well, if putting Segal on waivers is to balance out the roster after the activation of Drewiske, then my questions still are: Why Segal? Why not Purcell? Just wondering.
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Quisp, don’t see what Segal would do for Edmonton. It’s not like he’s the one who’s going to get them to 29th place, after all, and they’re going to blow up that team real soon.
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*If Manchester needs bodies during the break, then no one else is coming up, right?
*If Manchester needs bodies during the break, is there any reason not to send Segal (and/or Moller) back on Saturday instead of today?
*If the move is for Segal to play during the break, then that holds true for Moller as well. Sending them separately, and before the next two games seems pointless.
-Therefore, the move isn’t because Manchester needs players OR because Segal needs to play during the break.
…it’s because someone else is coming either from Manchester or a trade.
Make sense?
And yes, there are now 22 active players on the roster.
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Whiskey has nothing to do with Segal on waivers as far as roster numbers go. His activation made 23. No need to move Segal.
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I don’t know about the Richie-Kopi-Brown line, seems like Richardson and Brown would be doing the same thing with Kopi floating in the slot. The triple-S line might do something. You have Simmonds in the corners battling, Stoll higher up to take the shot and Smyth planted in front of the net. Might work.
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Smyth might be a little hesitant about net planting after Monday’s game.
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Smyth has been “net planting” all of his career. If you think a stinger from a shot will stop him I think you’re crazy.
No offense meant gas man. He’s just that kind of player.
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I agree Waves, and because you are opening one roster spot doesnt mean you are not trading a roster player either. You could very easily send a roster player along with a 2nd round pick for two roster players in return. But do we really need two more bottom six forwards?????? It wont be a defensemen because then thwy would have placed Jones on waivers and not Segal, and the Kings have no waiver exempt D-Man at this point.
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did we call him up not long ago? Why do we need wavier to send him down? Can anyone explain please?
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BROWN and KOPITAR together again?
WHAT THE HELL, MURRAY!
They don’t play good together and you paired them against the Ducks and we lost. You jacked up the lines in the midst of a franchise record winning streak.
Something is up. I know it. Something just doesn’t seem right. There is something fishy going on. Especially with the Segal news.
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yeah…
i also think something’s up…
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@zdfun: It has to do with his age (older) and his contract. I don’t know the particulars with his, but under certain conditions, older players are protected from being buried in the minors. Quisp mentioned 25+ an NHL contract gives a club a year of exemption… not sure there. I need to understand that stuff better.
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Instead of getting rid of a player that actually plays physical, how about adding a couple more?? This just doesn’t make sense, unless the Kings acquire Ethan Moreau and Jason Strudwick
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Smyth won’t stop planting himself, you think he stopped playing like he always had after the JJ hit? Doubt it.
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I actually like Smytty playing with Simmer. I think that line will come up big. Stolly’s perfect to play between those 2.
I thought Elkins was pretty good when he was up here. Did some good work on the PK. I still think that roster spot will be taken up at some point with a trade.
I just didn’t see much from Segal. He forechecked well and took the body, his goal scoring ability was nil and his fighting ability was nil. He was basically a little better version of Zeiler. He’d be a nice guy to keep in the organization. I hope he clears.
Purcell isn’t a candidate to be waived because you can always trade “potential”. Some other organizations might think a change of scenery is what he needs. He has some value..certainly a lot more than Segal.
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i think today and/or tomorrow, you will see some activity go down before the olympic freeze…
i could see a couple of guys move like…(not necessarily to us):
- kariya
- hamhuis
- turco
- penner, moreau and/or any oiler…
- many panthers…
just some obvious hunches…
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I totally agree with TM making those sort of changes during a winning streak makes no sense but it’s what TM does. Remember last year about 70 percent into the season we were a few points out had won a few in a row and TM made changes we went on a bad run etc etc. TM is just hoping this team grew up and he can shift players around and put them in whatever role he wants.
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Penner isn’t going anywhere, they’ll rebuild with him.
didn’t Turco already get moved?
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RICH…
out of curiosity, did anyone from the kings go to the memorial service to represent the team and/or pay their respects to brendan burke…?
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DAN…
if turco got moved, it must have just happened as i was typing…but since they got kari yesterday from atlanta, he might be on his way out quicker…
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What was so wrong about Richie-Kopi-Simmonds? From my perspective it jump started Kopi again as he really had to start moving his feet to keep up with those two. Then we had Brown-Stoll-Smyth who were a great drive to the net line, which seemed to really get Dustin going again…
It seems like we have 6 guys to mix and match on the first two lines, which I guess is an okay thing, but why did we mess with what was working? The only thing I can think of is TM wants to get Kopi out there with more “finishers” type of guys.
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The thing that stood out to me in the loss to the Ducks is that the Kings didn’t take the initiative to be really physical (outside of a couple of big hits by Brown and Doughty). They need a little more sandpaper. I liked how Segal had brought that to the team. I hope he clears and gets a chance with Manchester to go to the playoffs. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think also that they won’t be able to bring him back up without putting him on waivers again, so if he goes down, he’ll stay there until the end of the season.
In my opinion, the guys who really need to step it up are Stoll and Parse. The team as a whole didn’t play well, and losing Scuderi didn’t help, but they seemed to stand out more to me than any other players as having had a particularly bad game.
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Kopitar and Brown combo DOES NOT WORK.
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I agree with you, nykingfan. It wouldn’t make sense to waive Teddy Purcell. You can always make a case to other teams about his potential, and he could be a bargaining chip in a deal with a team looking for young players (like the Islanders, Blues, etc.) to start building around.
He’s not going to get it done here, but that doesn’t mean he won’t get it done somewhere else. I’d find away to include him in a trade, even if it’s a minor deal.
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We need a #4 center: Moller is an NHL winger.
Rich – Kopi – Brown
Smyth – Stoll – Moll
Fro – Zus – Simm
Ivan/Parse – * – Purce
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Clune Called up per Dancing Boy.
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Nobody wants that wimpy, lackluster bum named Purcell. Everything that we’ve seen and know about Purcell, I guarantee the rest of the league knows, probably a lot more than us.
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I agree with previous posters that Brown – Kopi combination is not working. It appeared to me Simmer with Kopi really worked well. I would go Richardson – Kopi- Simmer.
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Fro and Parse need to go. They’re both lackluster as well. Substitute those two for a couple gritty wingers that can play and match up against our cross town rivals
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guys…
we’re married to tp this year…unless there’s a team willing to seduce us and make the eventual divorce happen before season’s end…
but if that doesn’t happen…he’s not going anywhere…
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Variable: Yes, re brendan burke
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RICO…
do you know who…?
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Edit: nevermind, idk
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Why would LA bring up an AHL’er and/or rookie for the playoffs? I.e. Clune or Elkins.
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I guess we are in fact recalling Clune..
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I don’t think it would take much to get TP. I think he’s going to be moved by the deadline. I also think he’ll be part of a multi-player trade. That’s where I think his value lays.
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Barry’s twitter reporting it’ll be Rich Clune being called up
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WHAT?!? CLUNE?!? UGH!!!
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I would love for DL to trade for a guy like Hamhuis..
Doughty-Hamhuis
Johnson-Scuderi
Greene-O’Donnell
Drewiske
We re-sign Hamhuis and then it looks like
Doughty-Hamhuis
Johnson-Scuderi
Greene-Voynov/Hickey
Drewiske
you have a puck moving dman for every pairing
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yeah, one of my friends that lives in Manchester is reporting he got the call… Well, Manchester needs Segal more than it needs Clune…
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Steve,
Rich Clune is soon to be a fan favorite lol, I don’t know why you’re tripping, but he’s a more calm version of Sean Avery. Dishes out hits, scores and is a pure grinder, I like the move
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Ak-
Hamhuis would be nice, but I think he stays with the Preds for their run.
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Clune makes perfect sense for a Manchester call-up, though I was hoping more for someone being brought in from outside. This is no longer the time for experimental tryouts for a possible future goal scorer. Now is the time for immediate results, and Clune would fill the “middleweight” spot for the Kings respectably.
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AK47 only he has no hockey skills to play a scoring forward role.
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Not that I disagree with bringing in clune, but it bugs me that this is obviously a stretch drive move and you wait till now to give him a taste? Word was he would make the roster to start the season but he got hurt abd theb they never could make room for him. I think its an upgrade but its a tough spot for clune
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CBGB states that Clune is going to get called up…..Is this true Rich ?
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i think the winning streak had a lot to do with keeping things the same…
now that it’s over, movements come less as a surprise and become more justified….
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I heard somewhere that Whitney would be dealt by friday i hope this has something to do with it……
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CLUNE FANS…
how has he looked since coming back from the injury…?
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Variable -
This is how he’s looked
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCIk6J7kd7M
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BELEXES…
yeah…of course i’m familiar with him…the vid you linked is from a year ago…
i want to know if anyone’s seen his play since he’s come back…
thanks for the flashback, though…:)
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In my love of trying to figure out peoples (TM & DL) thought process for making the decisions they make…
If we are willing to, potentially, lose Segal and replace him with Clune, why didn’t we do this at the time Segal was called up? Because at that time we thought more of Segal? If so, then now we’ve seen enough already? Really? I could see moving him in a trade that we believe upgrades the team, but waivers?
also… and maybe Rich can find this out…
Seeing as how TM makes frequent changes to his lines, does he only do this for who he believes plays well with certain other guys? Or does he sometimes put certain lines together depending on the opponent?
(I know the 4th line has a lot to do with who we’re playing, ie: Ivanans; I’m mainly referring to the top 2 lines.)
peace!!!
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JJ is the man for US
http://www.ctvolympics.ca/hockey/news/newsid=37256.html?cid=rsstsn
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So I guess Forbes decided to overlook hockey players:
http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/news?slug=ys-forbesolyearners020910&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
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“Quisp, don’t see what Segal would do for Edmonton. It’s not like he’s the one who’s going to get them to 29th place, after all, and they’re going to blow up that team real soon.”
I LOL’d!
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Heeeeeeeeeeeeee’s Baaaaaaaacccckkkkkkk
Thought I would stay a bit silent during the streak, and forgive me I thought it would of lasted until the Cup. Oh well. Why is Murray changing the lines? He changed them before the Ducks game and we lost…
2 + 2 = Murray Stop Thinking!
Simmonds-Kopi-Richardson
Stoll-Brown-Smyth
These are the lines that won us most of the games on the streak. Please explain why the need to freshen it up?
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“Whiskey has nothing to do with Segal on waivers as far as roster numbers go. His activation made 23. No need to move Segal.”
Unless you’re interested in working a deal for a single player without giving up any roster players, and you’re committed to keeping the roster spot open so that player can play as soon as possible.
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Is it weird that Rich Clune sort of reminds me of Sean Avery lol?
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may be getting ahead of ourselves. if the kings felt pretty good about segal not being plucked off the waiver wire, then why not send him down so he can play thru the oly break. i’m not sure they would want to chance that, but that is one train of thought. i’m just playing devils advocate, i love the size and his ability to skate on that 4th line.
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Johnson has 16 goals this season? NICE
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“Instead of getting rid of a player that actually plays physical, how about adding a couple more?? This just doesn’t make sense, unless the Kings acquire Ethan Moreau and Jason Strudwick”
What a brilliant idea! Good thing they’re keeping a roster spot open!
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“He has some value..certainly a lot more than Segal.”
Well..I’d say Segal has been a bit more useful.
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“rumor” has it that Clune is being called up.
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Clune finally gets to play in the spot he earned b4 his injury. Let’s see how this goes.
TM plz put the lines back to normal. You think you would have figured this out by now, Kopi will not make DB a 30 goal guy again. They just don’t seem to work well 2gether, in fact DB on that line makes KOPI seem pedestrian.
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and i may be mistaken, but dont you have to make a spot for a guy once a trade is made, ie. we wouldn’t have to put segal on waivers until a trade is made. isn’t it a little presumptuous to think theres a trade coming. obviously, for every action theres a re-action. maybe it is clune. dunno. devils advocate remember.
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AK47 -
Let’s hope that Clune reminds the rest of the league of Avery. gritty agitator…
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“I would love for DL to trade for a guy like Hamhuis.”
I bet Bob Miller wouldn’t. It’s hard enough to pronounce the poor guy’s name when concentrating. Imagine how it would be trying to call the game!
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Maybe this is just this month’s biggest nonstory?
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Clune!!!! Yes!!!!!!!
Finally we have a guy that will fight every game and will play with heart!! Great call!!!
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Dead- you’re probably right.
Kinda fun to speculate though as long as you’re not too pissed when nothing happens.
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OT: Didiomete (Deedee o meatie) is a great name for a minor league goon.
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rich clune is the missing piece…?
i thought that was scuds…?
DEADCAT…
yeah…yr prob right…
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The Kings might make a trade (if they make one at all) until after the Olympics because they’d have to pay the guy(s) they acquire for sitting around for two weeks.
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Sorry, the Kings might “not” make a trade until after the Olympics. Always have to think about money these days.
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Does this mean that segal is available to the whole league right now?? Not good. He’s been playing great and consistently especially during the win streak. I hope we don’t lose him…
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Clune fought 1/8/10 and then fought again 1/9/10… The guy fights and fights.. He wouldn’t let any of the smaller guys in the NHL take runs at any Kings!!!
Clune will be a fan Favorite and those who are saying they don’t want Clune…. Know nothing about Hockey and what is needed on a team!!
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JACK…
i don’t know who’s saying that and whom yr addressing…
most of us are familiar with him…
my original question before was has anyone see him since the injury…and you basically gave me the times he has fought…great…thank you…
but how has he played…?
where’s my man BAKO…?
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jack hole,
I completely agree… It would have been nice to send Parse down instead of Segal, and play segal in place of Parse. However, if it was up to me, and I’m sure many of you are glad its not, I would play Ivanans with Westgarth on the same line, and Clune with Segal
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Jack -
True, some teams now only dress a middleweight(s), and these guys won’t go with Ivanans. This gives TM a backup for Ivanans when he chooses not to dress him.
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The Kings have 2 games before the Olympic break… why bring up Clune now?
Why place Segal on waivers and risk losing him?
I’m excited to finally see Clune play an NHL game, but the timing seems weird.
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Hurray! About time. He’s the answer to our toughness and gritty play we need. Best of luck Richard!
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khanon wants three goons on the Kings. LOL!
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Does this mean Ivanans will be scratched more? (Or is Clune just playing alongside him?)
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are we being blitzed by the same person using different handles again…???
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And I agree with Jack and Khanon… Parse should’ve been sent down instead of Segal. Parse has been a healthy scratch due to his inconsistency, not Segal.
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so now we all have to be aware of bloggers usurping common decency for spin control and blog hijacking…
i wish there was a way to stop it, but what can you do…?
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Does that mean that Clune has been recalled then? As for Brownie and Kopi, like others here, I just don’t like those two together. Brown looked excellent w Fro and also with Smyth, but I just don’t see him with Kopitar.
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LOL. Rich Clune. Go watch his fights on youtube. You will be lucky to see him EVER land a punch. Dude always loses fights, sometimes he loses to scorers (non fighters)….i understand you all like the pest, but guy wont score, and may just end up in the box all day.
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Could be, variable. Shamu get’s bored too.
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+ 1 to variable for using the word “usurping” in a Hockey blog!
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This team is a cluster F*&%$….I say trade everyone for some bobbleheads and a minor league team.
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@ Belexes – Now we’re going to have to bifurcate the comments in the posts for the literate and illiterate.
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Are you sure that’s not “knob?”
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wow…
i think we are being invaded…(!)
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Off subject but I say bring back “Dancing boy” and throw out that “rental man Guy”!!! Who is he and why does he need to distract us?
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WTFK-
lol, to both of these posts ^
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Khanon we aren’t the 70′s flyers.
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really…
the possible arrival of richard clune for the, perhaps, departing segal…elevates the testosterone defcon level to one here…??
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v said: “i wish there was a way to stop it, but what can you do…?”
for one thing, make registration mandatory. it would cut that stuff wayyyyy down.
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JACK…
some of that i agree with…i have seen him provide energy at times…the consistency issue with him has always seemed to be in question with him…
i realize that yr a fan of him, but, to ask you directly, have you seen him play since his comeback…?
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“Your an idiot!”
This is my most favorite repeating angry post on the interwebs!
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“I don’t know what we’re yelling about!”
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2939r_m7Fk
tell me clune doesn’t win fights…
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thx for the clip kingsxs.
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At 2:15 pacific time Jaimie Kompon to be interviewed on nhl radio…. right now I believe
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That is xmradio…..204
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I recall Lombardi saying that every army needs a few criminals. This team needs a pest and a middleweight fighter. If Clune fits that bill… awesome. As long as he isn’t a knucklehead like Sean Avery.
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I see Jack Johnson is going to represent the American Hockey team in place of Brian Burke at the opening ceremonies of the Olympics.
Will he also play for the Kings on Saturday?
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Yes. It was documented that he was going for opening ceremonies anyway and flying back for the game on Saturday.
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I don’t understand why people are so excited about a 4th line energy player who has not played a SINGLE SHIFT in the NHL, and has spent more time on the IR in the last 2 years, than actually playing hockey.
Dallas gave him up for LAURI TUKONEN! Seriously people…seriously now.
Oh, and Khanon wishes it was 1975, and this was the Broad Street bullies, who probably wouldn’t win a single game in the NHL today.
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Jack was going all along, he isn’t taking anybody’s place. He hired a charter plane to take him and his family there and back so he can participate and play on Sat. http://lakingsinsider.com/?p=3885
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Jamie Kompon getting some love for 10 minutes just now on NHL Network. Little bit of talk about DD and Quicker, and the guys still talking about Kings after Jamie interview over.
Cool!!!
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Holy Crap Kompon sounds like Andy Murray..
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junkie, that renta man guy is nuts! sat directly in front of him, and after an entire conversation with the guy, i learned 3 things
1. his mom bought him a car and i quote ” why would she buy me a car? i’m insane”
2. if your wasted, he’s absolutely the funniest person to sit next too
3. he doesn’t have a stop button and i mean no stop button AT ALL, but respects the game and holds off during play
I have some pretty funny iphone video that i could post somewhere, but i dont think anyone would care…
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Hey mrBrett,
hate to tell you this but the Broad street bullies won the Cup just a couple years ago (as the Ducks).
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There is an article on TSN that stated Jack is going in place of Brian Burke, but he has been scheduled to go since even before Brendan’s death. I wonder if it is a misunderstanding or if it is a spin on the story.
On a related note, Ziggy Palfy is carrying the flag for Slovakia in the opening ceremonies. Cool honor for him.
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deadcat, re segal/EDM:
it’s a waiver pick-up; it costs you nothing. The teams at the bottom get first crack.
re waiver-exempt defensemen:
Drewiske is, for four more games.
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IMO the Kings should take play makers over the physical guys. If you need some physical presence, Segal had the size over Clune. Clune’s on the small side by NHL standards and its a very hard match up for the smaller guys against say, most NHL defensemen or the larger forwards. Which seems to be almost everyone these days in the west. Segal sometimes seemed a bit slow for the NHL pace.
If its Clune being called up, let’s see how he does. I watched Clune play this summer and was not impressed but WTF do I know. Since Clune keeps getting press he apparently least has the big personality and if his play matches his mouth he should do OK. We’ll see. He didn’t put up much in the way of AHL numbers. Good players produce.
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@Belexes: I think you need to check the tape there. The Ducks may have been tough to play against and a pretty rough team at times. But they were not even in the same zip code as the Broad Street Bullies
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Travis Moen, Ryan Getzlaf, Chris Pronger, Shawn Thornton, Brad May, Sean O’Donnell, George Parros
They led the league in Penalty Minutes and Fighting majors by a mile… Somebody does need to check the tape, and the history books…
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You are a little off there Quisp…
A team who makes a successful claim for a player on waivers must compensate the team giving up the player for purchasing the player’s contract. The prices are set out in Article 13.16 (a) of the CBA, and are based on years of service and position.
It isn’t that much money though. The max cost is $90,000.
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***REPOST FOR VANKINGSFAN***
VAN-
Sorry to leave you hangin’. Had to go visit my tax man today. My head is still spinning, but it worked out good for me.
Modern: HACRIDE – “Perturbed” from the CD ‘Amoeba’
Old School: SADUS – “Last Abide” from the CD ‘Swallowed In Black’
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I’m wondering where the benefit is of moving Segal for Clune. Both can fight, both are 4th line material, but Segal has more NHL experience than Clune. We’re going into the playoffs. Maybe DL & TM are just looking for a pest for the final run?
Someone mentioned Manchester needs Segal. Why?
I guess this will be another move I won’t understand until a few games have passed. Hopefully Clune will be so full of piss & vinegar in a controlled sort of way that he’ll have to stay.
Maybe this has to do with him making the team at the beginning of the year and getting injured and sent down. Maybe it’s an honor thing with DL to give him that shot his injury took away. Maybe I’m just rambling.
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Belexes,
The Ducks were tough when they won the Cup, but Dave Schultz would’ve taken on all the players you mentioned one by one in the same game and he would’ve been the last man standing. Believe it.
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Belexes,
I agree. The Ducks were and probably still are the “modern-day” Broad Street Bullies. You would think DL would take notice; heck, its been four years and he still dresses a wimpy team
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Has Clune actually been called up or is all this just speculation? I could find no official info.
Rich has been pretty quiet…could something a little bigger be brewing?
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Rumors have Frolov to the Habs… I dont care where they send him, just get rid of the lazy bum
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What happened to those drummer boys from last season
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Khanon…will the Kings get Cammy in return. HAHAHAHA!
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I remember Schultz well, I even remember him losing almost every fight while he was on the Kings.
I’m not going to go over the argument of comparing players from different eras, but both the Ducks of 07 and the Flyers of the 70′s had toughness that couldn’t be matched by the other teams of the league. The two teams are very comparable, and because of the Ducks success that year, there has been a resurgence in “tough” hockey…
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Khanon- Fro lately has been playing A LOT better, He’s scored a little and during the last streak it was like a different Fro. he was banging and mixing it up in front of the goalie during scrums. I was surprised and if he continues playing like that, i say keep him. even if he’s only going to give 20 goals.
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Belexes, still no comparison. Nobody was saying the Ducks didn’t play tough hockey, but they certainly were not on any sort of level as the Bullies. The ‘toughest’ guy on your list would be Parros, right? Well he sat for most of the playoff games and only logged 10 PIM. Dave Schultz, on the other hand, accumulated 139 PIM in the Flyer’s SC run in 74. Which is like a whole season of PIM for Parros. The other guys all agitate and maybe fight to a certain extent, but they are all trumped by the level of craziness that the Bullies brought to that era. Any comparison between the Ducks of 07 to the Flyers of the mid 70s is apples and oranges.
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Like someone here said before, this season after a winning streak the Kings end up losing a few before getting it back into gear and on another streak. Like it takes a while for stuff to sink in and take hold.
I don’t know any of Segal’s monetary costs, but I’m sure SOMEBODY out there (East or West) will have a need he can fill, and I just can’t see him clearing waivers without be claimed.
GO KINGS GO!!!
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Compared to the Kings, the Ducks are the broad street bullies
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At 6’1 and 185 lbs, how many of those Ducks I named do you think would be afraid of Dave Schultz?
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Belexes,
Fair enough. The Ducks were a tough team when they won the Cup. I think Brian Burke is a good GM, but I don’t think he’s as great as some people think he is. That said, I do admire him for valuing toughness. Also, I sincerely hope they one day remove the instigator rule and allow the players to police themselves once again.
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Anyone else hear a rumor Frolov has been traded to the Canadians? What would our return be?
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rumeursdetransactions.com%2Farticles%2F10%2F02101-frolov-canadien-montreal.php&sl=fr&tl=en&swap=1
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“At 6′1 and 185 lbs, how many of those Ducks I named do you think would be afraid of Dave Schultz?”
And to answer this question I would say none of them would be “afraid” of Schultz, but Schultz wouldn’t have backed off from any one of them himself. Including Parros.
We’ll never know the answer to this, but if both teams had a bench clearing brawl I’d still put all of my money on the Broad Street Bullies.
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Irish -
I know those were different eras, that’s why I pointed that out up front. A playoff series used to see the first game used to “soften” up the opponent. That doesn’t happen anymore, and pim’s are way down in playoff games now. Now the toughness is much more implied, rather than declared. Different times.
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Khanon, your ideal team is now 5 points out of the playoffs and the Kings are 8 points in. I think DL knows what he’s doing.
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Who in the HELL would we want from the Habs…watched them play the B’s on Sunday before the superbowl…they were AWEFULL.
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In the mid 70s 6’1″ and 200 would have been about the biggest guys in the NHL. Again apples and oranges. The bullies were the bullies DESPITE their size. Nobody is talking about could Parros take Schultz in a straight up fight. We are talking about a team of nut cases running another team off the ice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGOxVBG4bfk&NR=1
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3-way deal with MTL & CAR ??
Seems like somethings about to happen. Rich ??
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Belexes,
I fail to see where you mentioned this was different eras “up front”, but yes… different eras. Yay.
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Sorry if this has been posted or mentioned. Brian Burke not attending Olympic opening ceremonies. Jack Johnson is the only one going. Here’s a link to an article about it:
http://www.ctvolympics.ca/hockey/news/newsid=37256.html?cid=rsstsn
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Yeah, you can be pretty sure that DL isn’t looking to goon it up any time soon, so you might as well go elsewhere if that is what you are looking for http://wp.me/pi4Fc-1ut : “[Teubert has] made a lot of progress, but he still has a lot to learn,” said Lombardi. “The whole thing about his physical game still has to be channelled in the right direction. You can’t play like the Flyers of the Seventies, so you have to channel that type of aggression. You can’t get away with just running around being physical.” Notice that DL didn’t say you can’t play like the Ducks of 2007.
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Belexes…answer, every single one of them.
Comparing the Ducks of a few years ago, to the Broad Street Bullies is like comparing the 1985 Michigan Wolvering Hockey team to the 1999 Detroit Red Wings.
Since I asked the question, and you have failed to answer, I will ask again.
How in the world can ANYONE get so excited over a marginal NHL/4th line guy like Clune who has not only never skated in the NHL, but he has spent more time hurt in the last 2 years than actually playing, and when he has played, IN THE AHL, the reports are he wasn’t TOUGH ENOUGH.
Answer that and stay fashionable…
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AFI HA!
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All this speculation is driving me nuts!
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Nice back pedal.
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Running Man,
I agree. It’s the speculation coupled with the lack of posts today by our hero. Our collective imagination is on overdrive right about now.
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Rich is doing some kind of science project using us as rats in a cage to see what we do without stimulation from the master of all blogs.
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I like Fro. He really cares about the fans. He’s the only guy who throws pucks over the glass during warm-ups.
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Dan,
I foresee this project spiraling into Lord of the Flies with hockey sticks.
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I have my sticks at home so I’m armed. Bring it!
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I’ve got the conch!!!!
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I thought Smyth was the only guy throwing pucks over during warmups..
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Just watch out for boulders… BOOM!
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Dang I forgot my helmet in my rush for the offense!
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Mrbrett,
I never said I was excited about Clune. It must have been you that said it.
I just said that bringing up Elkins didn’t make sense…
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jack hole says:
February 10, 2010 at 2:01 PM
Contreas79.. Your an idiot!
I love it when people call other people idiots, yet haven’t yet deciphered the difference between your and YOU’RE. Priceless.
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Piggy’s got the conch.
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I think I figured it out. Segal was placed on waivers today and hopefully clears them. He can still play here for up to 10 games I believe which will allow him to play the next 3 games here and them be sent down to Manchester along with the other waiver exempt players to play down there during the break. Very similar to the Christmas break that saw all them folks sent down. That’s my guess at least.
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@Cynic,
Thanks for the link.
I’m proud to have Jack Johnson marching for team USA. He even chartered his own plane. He’s always struck me as a proud, patrotic kind of guy. That got confirmed at the last game, when they played a “If I wasn’t a hockey player I would be…” clip of JJ and he said “..in the military.”
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TM is changing the lines because he feels Richardson and Simmonds have let some bad habits creep in while playing on the top line. But the two top lines thru the streak really seemed to work. Maybe we do need a new left winger on the top line with Kopitar via a trade….
The 3rd line with Handzus, Fro, and Parse has been doing really well when Parse plays well. Hopefully he can continue and spark the line. Frolov has improved in +/- since Parse has been on the line.
I don’t think we need Segal. I’d rather see other combinations on the 4th line to complement Moller.
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Some peopleare excited about clune because it has now become a rarety to dress guys willing to fight and stand up under DL…
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Wow, looks like tonight after the Haps game something is going to break and Fro will be history. We’ll see.
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Khanon/ anthonyy: That is crazy.
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MIK3Ysfv,
Besides Ivanans, who else is there? Simmonds is the only other player I could think of. Greene can’t fight, O’Donnel doesn’t want to fight anymore; who else is there? Please enlighten me
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Khanon: ……………………I see the heavyweight role filled by Moller/ Purcell.
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Khanon: Your point is made as far as Ivanans/ Simmer. My comment is regarding the consistent DL bashing. I would rather see Westgarth or Clune than Ivanans.
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They might be able to chip in a few points and alot less offensive zone penalties.
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Anyone who says Segal is just a step about Zeiler obviously has never seen Zeiler play.
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You’re right Holly… I’ve seen Zeiler play. Segal is at least a yard ahead of Zeiler.
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At this point of the year, the fighting seems to be dying down. Most of the teams in the playoff hunt do not want to take the penalties with so few games to play.
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MIK3Ysfv,
I’m not a DL basher per se. The only aspect of his managing I don’t like is not putting together a tough team or acquiring available players like Phaneuf. If Burke can do it, why can’t DL?? With that said, DL is doing a fine job in all other areas.
The reason I worry about toughness is that the kings don’t have the necessary amount of grit and toughness to challenge other playoff teams.
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Skebo,
I meant costs you nothing in terms of cap space, picks, prospects or roster players. The cash cost of picking up Segal off waivers would be $67,500.
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Contrary to what a someone around here thinks, Fighting does not = Playoff success. Check the facts- only one team that led the league in fighting made the finals in the last 10 years. More than that, only two teams in the top 9 have made the finals, as opposed to 10 teams in the bottom 9.
Year SC Winner SC loser (rank in fighting majors)
2009 Pens (23rd) Wings (30th)
2008 Wings (30th) Penguins (12th)
2007 Ducks (1st) Senators (22nd)
2006 Canes (28th) Oilers (18th)
2004 Bolts (24th) Flames (2nd)
2003 Devils (18th) Ducks (23rd)
2002 Wings (30th) Canes (29th)
2001 Avs (14th) Devils (11th)
2000 Devils (10th) Stars (16th)
1999 Stars (21st) Sabres (10th)
The kings are currently 21st in the league.
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Anyone see Westgarth fight Garrett Klotz? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJxkYuTKCo
I’m not sure how to post a link, so if that didn’t work, look up Kevin Westgarth fights. It’s called the Westgarth Klotz incident.
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There is a difference between toughness and tough to play against. I would rather have a team that is tough to play against. Phaneuf for the last two years has been dropping off a bit. He is not the same player as he was back in 2007-2008. Maybe the hits he has been dishing out has caused his play to slip.
The Kings will need grit to make a run in the playoffs but sometimes you need to get there to see what it takes. I am sure everyone here does not believe that they will take it to the cup this year. They will have to find out how to win in the playoffs just as they have found how to win this year in the regular season.
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Khanon: I am not one to follow blindly. Especially Kings management. I went to my first game in 1979, so I have seen alot of crap espoused by owners/ GMs etc. In all that time, watching DL, I think the man has earned my respect and allegiance. He knows what he’s doing. He’s built up the entire organization, not just the on-ice product. I have complete faith in his judgement, so perhaps I overreact to criticism of DL, because if people get impatient and start calling for his head…. If that happens it will be a trule tragedy. We’ve never had someone of his ilk in our organization. Think about the scouting dept., player development, Manchester and Ontario, etc. We will, for the first time ever, be a great team for a long time to come. Yes he’s made mistakes, is not perfect, but he’s FAR AND AWAY THE BEST WE’VE EVER HAD HERE.
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According to Barry-
“No truth to the Frolov rumor – period”
http://twitter.com/hockeybuzzbarry
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MIK3Ysfv,
I agree. I think DL is one of the better GMs in the league. No argument there…
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This is the most messed up, all over the place, far flung (as in monkey feces), ADHD thread ever since this thing started.
Love,
Player-X
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Wow.
Brandon Segal produces a thread that is 212 comments long? Two hundred twelve comments? Either the rumor-mongers among us are really, really BORED or this thread is the result of KOVI-withdrawal!
Juraj Mikus must be green with envy.
Open up one little roster space on the Kings’ roster and the world goes insane?
–I agree there must be another move coming–
No matter what the move is, I think it’s hilarious that the impending loss of an energy fourth line player has pulled everybody’s panties into a wad. Does anyone really think that Brandon Segal being picked up/not being picked up could be the key to an important deal?
The discussion here seems to revolve around team toughness. Personally, I don’t think toughness is going to much influence the outcomes of the remainder of the Kings regular season games. The trade can’t involve Edmonton, though. They are the worst team in the league, so no team could challenge their claim Segal on waivers, thus there would be no need for a trade.
So… If Segal is not the real focus… Richard Clune?
Someone who wants Clune should be wondering what happened to him since the beginning of the season. Certainly Clune has NOT had a noteworthy year in Manchester. All those hopeful knuckle-dragger groupies out there must be in apoplexy over the thought of Christmas Eve in February, but seriously, Richard Clune? How could Clune help the Kings as a 5 or 6 forward? Certainly he is not a third-pair D-man.
Actually, I think a couple of other topics ought to be garnering attention, such as the beginnings of a comeback to remember in Montreal. What was a 5-2 3rd period lead is now 5-4 for MTL over the Washington Capitals, 9:50 to go… Streak is on the line!
And then, there is the fascinating link put up by Macdup about Olympic Lust…
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/olympics/article4582421.ece
Perhaps there should be a discussion about the top line, but there is a link upstream to take care of that.
But seriously, Richard Clune?
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…And the Capitals have TIED THE GAME with 0:18.4 seconds left, 5-5!
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B…
just came home in time to see laich’s hat trick game-tying goal…wowowow..>!!!
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V:
How in the #@!! did you get caught up in this monster thread?
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…And, did you see that NJ lost AGAIN, after a two-goal lead on PHI?
I guess Kovi doesn’t quite mesh…?
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Just saw Torts banish DelZotto to the end of the bench after his double minor costs NYR a 2-1 loss to the Preds…
…With a scream and a wave of the hand pointing to the dungeon!
Good times in New York!
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B…
i don’t know…
once the ridiculous frolov rumors started, that’s when i had enough and bailed…
the whole implausible “richard clune is gonna save this team (from making the playoffs, i can only presume(?))” argument came out of nowhere…
and there was an obviously bundled, (same poster?) testosterone-fueled salvos being launched from familiar culprits…
i go caught up counter-punching nonsense and asking direct questions that got no answers from the peeps that were…(again, i presume)…in disagreement with plausible speculation…
ooops…(!)
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“i got caught up”…it should read…
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And, the Ducks look like they are playing 5-on-3 against the Oilers…
edm 0-1 ANA, 1st period, 2:31 to play
The Kings better be ready to play tomorrow/A loss would be the ultimate embarrassment.
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Sorry I wasn’t here when you asked for help.
I was in Tehachapi, seeing a mechanic about a car…
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You tried, they hail-ed, you bailed…
Their loss.
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Bakersfield to Tehachapi….dayyam
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Took my camera/ great pictures!
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Yes DO Not separate Fro and Zus. Parse is cool but i think coach should throw Moller in the mix at times. The guy is not afraid to shoot the puck. I like that!
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khanon — I somewhat agree about the overall team toughness, but if you look at the top picks the past couple of years, then you will see it is coming.
Sutter is hanging on bay a thread after the Cammi fiasco last year. Do you really think he would trade Phaneuf to a Western team?
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