Drew Doughty is obviously well regarded among Kings fans, and his popularity ratings are pretty high here in Canada as well. His legacy will only grow if he wins an Olympic gold medal with Canada next month. A local reporter, doing a feature on Doughty, asked Terry Murray if, in his years, he had seen a young player make an impact like Doughty.
MURRAY: “I’ve been around for a long time, so the answer to that is, yes, I have. But in most recent years, not too many young guys have come along and played as well, and with as much composure, as Drew Doughty.”
To follow up, Murray was asked which players he would put in that category he described…
MURRAY: “Ray Bourque was in the league, as an 18-year-old, and was a force with the Boston Bruins right from that first year. I watched him throughout his career. I watched Paul Coffey throughout his career. I had Paul Coffey as a player in Philadelphia. I could go back, as a young player myself, and remember Bobby Orr coming into the league. Nobody will ever be as great as him, but he’s a young guy who came into the league at a young age and dominated the league.
“So there have been those kinds of players. I had Scott Stevens as an 18-year-old in Washington, who came in and had an impact on your game immediately. Those are pretty special players that are being referenced there. Drew is in that category. He means that much to the L.A. Kings.”
Unfortunately, Dewey is going to end up with the silver… ;-p
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Wow. Pretty high praise indeed. And Drew doesn’t seem like the kind of kid who lets that talk go to his head, so it’s safe for TM to say it.
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Yeah, he’s a great one. Let’s hope they don’t make a Duschene or L. Murphy move with him.
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Thems fightin words Alma
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team canada is way too stacked this year!!! im american but i dont see us winning gold this year… silver yes but gold no!
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Doughty grew up a Kings fan like us too, sign him to one of those ridiculous 12 year deals
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Drew Doughty is simply an amazing young player and fun too watch.
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Doughy is 1000 times better than Duschene, and significantly better than Murphy, who was an adroit player but close to lead footed.
DL is gonna resign him next summer, he’ll probably command max dollars, and be the reason the Kings shy away from Kovalchuk and possibly pass on resigning Frolov this year.
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Wikipedia has special K on the Leafs, hehe
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I’m surprised he didn’t mention eric lindros. He was really effective under murray in philly.
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PakiFro, i think he was exclusively talking about defenders
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For Doughty to be mentioned along with the names of Ray Bourque and Bobby Orr, that’s pretty awsome.
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Doughty is the best human 18-year-old I have had the pleasure to watch in the NHL. Bobby Orr, however, was superhuman. And I agree with Murray. To me, he will always be the best who ever played. Or, as someone said about Orr (Milt Schmidt maybe), if someone comes along who is better than Orr, I hope I live to see it, because that will be something. (I’m sure I got that quote wrong, but that’s the idea).
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defenseman, i meant
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The guy that Doughty most reminds me of is Brian Leetch, actually. Great skater, smart player, and dangerous at both ends of the ice.
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Huh, guess I’ll mention the elephant in the room since no one else has… his name starts with a G and ends in a Y. Any guesses? He only won 8 (count ‘em) league MVP’s in a ROW…starting in, you guessed it, his FIRST year in the NHL. Bobby who?
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Awesome now that Eklund has mentioned Simmonds we all know he will not be going anywhere. Eklund is a useless source for any relevant info.
Bond post something that is not useless poo.
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If you’d like to comment on that rumor site, you’re welcome to go there and comment on it. I don’t wish to have it promoted here. Thank you for your cooperation.
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Doughty is a fantastic talent. It is a privilege to watch and root for him. Nothing more needs to be said.
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waves — I responded to your post on the “Tonight’s game story (Jan. 23)” thread.
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My Bad Rich, Didnt think you would really care I know it is all crap but just gets everyone going.
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Wow Drew is good huh, Thats all we can talk about….So He is really really good, better then most in the leauge. He can skate good. He can pass good. He can shoot. And he is 20….
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Waves… I think Murray was responding to that question with regards to defensemen only. Comparing Doughty to Gretzky (or for that matter, Lemieux, Yzerman, etc.) wouldn’t make much sense because the responsibilities are so different.
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-Off Topic Alert-
Since this has been the year of the gifts that keep on giving for the Bakersfield Condors (i.e: Great start, Dan Sexton, the incredible goal on YouTube, etc.), I have to bring up this wonderful story-to-be, for a game in Las Vegas with the Wranglers…
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Las-Vegas-Wranglers-will-dress-like-Girl-Scouts-?urn=nhl,215317
Yes, that will be a Men’s ECHL Hockey team, dressed up with a uniform like a Girl Scouts uniform. Of course, the Condors themselves played in a uniform made out to be a tuxedo in honor of the gloved one Michael Jackson, earlier this year. But one wonders what the Condors will wear to this game.
Too Bad. I won’t be able to get pictures of this…
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Chris Bond,
I obviously don’t know you personally but think you’re a cool dude from the comments I read by you. But you know Rich’s take on rumors, we all do. This is not a message board, it’s a blog, and in the case of this post, yeah, talking about how good Doughty is is what you talk about. That’s why they’re ‘comments.’ It’s a little different than the run-and-gun, post whatever you want, no hypothetical off limits nature of a message board-which I think totally has its place, by the way.
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doughty is our most valuable player
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Shopping in the Official Olympic Souvenir Venue in Vancouver tonight and looked at the Team Canada signed Hockey Stick (it’s smaller than a kid stick). Was going to buy one until I found out that Drew Doughty’s Signature wasn’t on there – what an oversight
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Bako
thanks. That’s hilarious. X sends the thin mint around the boards
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Call it what you want, I like to talk to this group of fans. I love what Rich post, But I also love what most of the fans post here also. I read this blog for Rich post but just as much as what all of you guys post. Even the guys I dont like at least I can not like what the write. But becuase Rich does not like to talk about rumors means none of us can talk about the crap rumors and the what if’s on a slow hockey night like this. I dont like to post stuff to a other page where A) I dont know one person there other then Quisp. B) The fans are from other states and only care about there Red Wings or whatever team is theirs, not to mention then dont even know half of the Kings Players other then Kopi, Smyth, and Scuds. So how can you have a real conversation with them. This is just my take, I know this is Rich’s blog with his rules. But sometimes getting told what we can talk about sucks. Even when it is not a personal attack or rude/crud. And is about hockey. My take anyway.
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@Brent… But didn’t you see the signature that reads “the next Bobby Orr”?
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The thing that really impresses me is Doughty’s defense. He uses his excellent skating ability so well on defense and is so smart. Honestly, even before he was drafted I thought he was just a one-dimensional offensive player and wanted to get more of a bruiser like Pietrangelo or Bogosian. I had no idea what a great defense he was and is.
I don’t agree with the way DL handled the JJ situation, but I agree with everything he said. JJ is worldclass talent with mediocre (that is being generous) hockey sense. Doughty is the entire package.
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Bond. Chris Bond…I, for one, like to know that the subject matter is reined in on this site. We somewhat self-police, but it is not absolute. Plenty of stuff is allowed that is off-topic, but I think, and hope, that the difference is that rumors from other sites are a distraction at best and should be limited.
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this blog is great for a few reasons…
1. rich is the man
2. we get facts not rumors
3. it gives us a place to rejoice with fellow fans in good times
4. it gives us a place to vent in bad times…
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Josh, When Rich reports it we know it to be fact. If I say it or some other poster then you know that it is a good chance it is a rumor. If people cant figure that out well… And look what happens when the Kings drop a game here to a good team, say the Sharks last week. It was the end of the world in here. It is standard to read fire TM, DL, Trade Kopi you get the idea. I just disagree with the crazy censorship of the site. Still love it…Love the people…Love what Rich does, wish he would chill a bit but that is just me. If I could do it better then I shold have my own blog right? Mabey Rich will understand better when I talk to him in Dallas.
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Chris,
I hear you, and there is certainly a flexibility that’s innate for some posts. But bringing up trade rumors, though they are fun, on a post that is about comparing Doughty to Borque and Coffey doesn’t make a ton of sense. It’s just distracting. I think there is a way you can bring up the notion of trading for Kovalchuk and what it might take as a discussion with other fans, but IMO it’s got to have some relevance to the post, or sprout from some other comments in an organic way.
I honestly consider myself to be a pretty dime-a-dozen poster on this site but enjoy putting a comment up here and there. It may not be my place to call you out, but I felt my opinion in this case was valid enough to do so. And if we agree to disagree, that’s cool too. Thanks for reading dude.
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my thoughts about doughty;
drew has been good and dependable.Hopfully he develops more.
So young and he plays like star 10yr pro.
Drew deserves major props and should be a norris candidate.
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Cool Cricket, Have a great night!
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Thanks Chris, I will, you too!
And actually, I should probably put my money where my mouth is and comment on Doughty too, I do love the kid, but who doesn’t?
Totally think Drew should be up for a Norris, but I’m not worried about when that comes because he’ll reach the point like Lidstrom’s been for years now where he’s a perennial candidate. And hopefully a perennial winner, too!
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The part of me that knows better tells me not to do this, but…. I kind of agree with many of the comments Chris Bond is making, and don’t quite understand why he is getting some flak for it. My sense is that all of us here are true Kings fans, and love to share opinions, facts, and yes – gossip – about the team. Personally, I don’t see the problem sharing some “rumors” with others here who are better equipped than the vast majority of fans to either comment on them or ignore them. I will follow the rules like everyone else, but couldn’t resist this little side note on what is otherwise a slow night.
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rick — it is an issue of moderation. Most of us tolerate, or even enjoy a good rumor now and then, but Chris has been posting pretty constant Kovi stuff for awhile now. Maybe he can hit some other topics for a few days and come back?
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Hey VanKingsFan, I’ll be in YVR next month. Bring it on!!
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Jet I think I have said about 3 things ever on trades so I have no clue what you are talking about…..
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Love DD so much he’s on my fantasy team.
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On point, Doughty deserves much praise.
Off point, why the fuss about rules…I was called an “idiot” yesterday and nobody said anything about the rules.
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We all know that 99.9% of trade rumors are self-generated out of thin farts by people whose job it is to make stuff up. I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that Rich’s desire to curb rumor talk has something to do with not dignifying it with a response. I personally find debunking rumors quite the sport, but I’m not Rich and I’m sure for Rich the contrast between the rumors he hears on the outside and the things he legitimately hears about on the inside from the actual people who actually make trades…is a stark contrast indeed. Think what it’s like when you hear someone who is not in your field speculate with authority about what’s going on in your field and you just think, “where do people come up with this stuff?” Maybe you don’t say “stuff.”
I was not aware of any sweeping rule against talking about rumors, and if there is one, I hope Rich will clarify.
My own personal rule of thumb is absolutely to ignore anything coming from Eklund, since it’s never legitimate as far as I can tell, as well as anything coming from any blogger who has no track record of having legitimate sources or real access, as well as anything coming from legitimate reporters or media personalities who use unnamed “sources” or say things like “indications are,” “word is,” “talk is,” “whispers in front offices are” etc.. I also dismiss out of hand any rumor that mentions Doughty, Schenn, Simmonds or Bernier. And that pretty much eliminates all the rumors.
But if a real news source or a blogger/writer/journalist (e.g. Spector, Russo, RIch of course…) reports that something has happened or has not happened, I think it’s worth talking about.
Like anyone asked me.
Waves –
4>99 The new math.
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Jim Fox is on NHL on the Fly
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Rich never said anything about not being able to talk about rumors. He said he doesn’t want to promote a certain “rumour site” here on HIS blog, so in other words, don’t mention it here by name please…
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See rule no. 1.
“Eklund” = offensive language.
Nuff said.
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Quisp,
Pure speculation tells me that your correct. I sure don’t want this to become a regurgitation of some HORRIBLY inaccurate tabloid style blog. I’m betting that citing one of those blogs as a jumping off point for a conversation was the main issue, and not so much “staying on topic” or speculation. It seems to me that Rich has gone to great lengths to keep this in-line with the daily news blog, legit and credible. I for one appreciate the effort to maintain high standards.
Just my two cents.
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I recall that Rich once pointedly rolled his eyes once about trade rumors (I think because he was getting tired of all the questions that were thrown his way), and said that if you want two sources of speculation that he considered reasonably solid, he would recommend Kukla’s Corner and Puck Daddy. Because they’re relatively careful about their sourcing.
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eklund…people…???…eklund…???
(yawn)…
QUISP…
why even bother…?
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Alma,
haha YVR…what a name drop. YOu will find me in Malone’s bar in the baggage claim area
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Quisp
I believe that Orr quote came from Red Storey.
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TM puts DD in the same company with Bourque and Scott Stevens! Wow! Well, why not? The kid reminds me of Scott Niedermeyer.
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DD is an amazing talent. I believe … no … I know he is the best rookie defense in the history of the Kings.
I’m old enough I got to see Bobby Orr in his prime and even in the playoffs live.
To date I’ve never seen another defenseman even remotely close to his talent. He routinely would play keep away from forwards on the PK by just skating around his own net.
No one could skate with him, no way no how. It was like watching a full grown man toying with young children during hockey practise. He’d wind up behind his own net and go the lenght of the ice around everyone. What a joy he was to watch.
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Off topic here, but Bob Miller and Daryl Evans will be guests on the NHL Power Play show this afternoon. The show airs on XM radio 204 and the NHL Network at 1pm Pacific.
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Don’t you remember when “A-hole Who Shalt Not Be Named” stole Rich’s story (forget which one exactly) and passed it off as his own? Personally, if you even type his name on this site, a hand should pop out of your monitor and back-hand you.
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Quisp is correct. I have no problem with people speculating about things. All I said, very specifically, is that I didn’t want links to that particular site.
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Sorry Van,
DD’s great,but he’ll be sportin Silver.You’ll drink yourself into a stuper near your luggage and pass out.
Bako,
I hope when they dive for the puck their pantees don’t show.
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Van,
While your passed out.Some kid will come by and drop a quarter in your beer cup.
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Sorry I took what you said about go there and comment on it as just that…
“If you’d like to comment on that rumor site, you’re welcome to go there and comment on it. I don’t wish to have it promoted here. Thank you for your cooperation”
Lets just drop the whole thing anyway, sorry I brought it up now, becuase we all know it is just BS. I was a slow night so that is why I said stuff anyways.
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Just for the sake of adding another perspective, how do you guys think Doughty stacks up to Nick Lidstrom, who is IMO the best D-man in the post Orr era? TO me they share many of the same qualities. Their hockey IQ is off the charts, they both bring a sense of calmness when they have the puck. Doughty seems to have the edge when it comes to his ability to join the rush. Just wanted to see what you guys thought.
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I do not need TM to tell me how good Drew is Look back on my very early blog about 2 months ago I said if he stayed healthy he could be the next ” Bobby ”
The kid is absolutely great and i have followed hockey for 50 years
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WHOOOOO DAAAAATTT!!!
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Chris Bond:
Ever think you accidentally signed up for an episode of “Everyone Hates Chris”?
Dominick:
Ever listen to Jethro Tull/Aqualung?
Another aside, slow news morning… (discounting Patrice Cormier’s Year/Playoffs suspension):
At the Saturday Condors-Salmon Kings ECHL game, the Zooperstars were there. For those of you fortunate enough not to know what they are, these are plastic puppets the size of three people which perform synchronized tricks on the ice at intermission, you know the usual silly string through the nose on the laughing fans kind of tricks.
Usually, the last trick is a version of a fight between one of the zooperstars (which have names like
Shaquille O’Seal, etc…) and one of the hockey staff, where the staff member gets swallowed and spit out without their clothes (skivvies, still on).
Well, that was before Tiger Woods imploded the last month or two. There always had been a Tiger Woodschuck zooperstar, before his scandal. So imagine this: A black Escalade drives onto the ice and lets out Tiger Woodschuck, a woman in a blonde wig and a woman in a brunette wig. The woman in a blonde wig has, of course, a golf club, and chases the brunette and the Zooperstar around the Escalade with it. Then, another zooperstar comes out, and the brunette decides to hide inside it…
As you can imagine, my six year old son is totally lost. Not only does he NOT understand the Tiger Woods references, neither he nor I think the skit is funny, at all. And since he missed a chance to play floor hockey with the other kids during intermission to see this, both he AND I were upset. Sometimes, social commentary should not play at a hockey game…
Just Saying…
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@KingMe20: Thanks. You’re absolutely right. My brain failed.
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Zooperstars lol.. just a fun word to say
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Rich,
A Potentially interesting topic for discussion with the Kings Brass.
How would they feel if Patrice Cormier had been drafted by us? Or what if one of our prospects, Kyle Clifford for sake of argument, threw a dirty elbow like that and was suspended for the rest of the year?
How does this change the teams outlook of the player? How would it impact his chances during next years training camp? Do you trade the guy? Do you release him?
I would also be interested in getting my fellow bloggers opinions on this; what would you do if you were the GM/coach?
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Doughty is the second coming of Bourque, with Brian Leetch’s skating, and one of those young guys that should be signed to a lifetime-eque contract.
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heres the part about canadians that i dislike about hockey:
in their power rankings updated 1/25 (today), tsn.ca dropped the kings 2 spots from 12 to 14th, despite going 4-1 in their last five.
who passed them?
Well, montreal jumped from 15th to 10th just by winning their last 2 (they have 55 pts vs LAK’s 61), and Det remained put at 11th despite no regulation wins in 5 straight, including that loss to the kings. the 12th spot is now occupied by PHILLY, i know, what a joke, and at 13 is Ottawa. and then the kings at 14…
http://www.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/feature/?ID=548
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Stop the Puck:
Its simple economics, you have to cater to your audience. If the vast majority of your audience is a fan of a Canadian team, or a large market US team, then you want to make them happy. I generally defend TSN because their hockey coverage is often second to none, but the Power rankings have always been slightly biased.
I get the feeling it is the same way with American networks and their general indifference towards the Toronto Blue Jays and Toronto Raptors. I don’t have any solid evidence of this, just a feeling I get while watching/reading American coverage.
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Yeah, I don’t know VanKingsFan. I’d like to know how the captain of the team (and junior team) is allowed to do those things without any strong effort to put a stop to it BEFORE someone gets seriously injured.
If you recall, it was less than a month ago he did the same thing to a Swedish player. I don’t know anything about how his cheapshots in the past were handled (or even if they were) but I guess it takes a guy going into convulsions on the ice for that kind of play to draw attention. It’s pathetic really.
Here’s the video, along with one of the chippiest players of all time condemning Cormier…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzhF2viguGs
If he was my player, I’d have put a stop to that kind of play after the first time. There is no place in this game for blatant elbows like that (or any elbows period).
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I have a theory about Cormier…
This is all because he was selected to be Team Canada’s captain.
For some, the responsibility of Captaincy pushes them forward, makes them feel as though they must do more, be more, influence more. Cormier may have felt he needed to play more on the edge than otherwise. This would have been worsened by the loss to the U.S., making him feel more like a failure.
Take his “C” away (a done deal, now…), and he won’t feel the need as much as before.
Just Saying…
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…just occurred to me. I guess it may be like what DL was saying about JJ in that these kids are told their great, great, great and I guess they’re allowed to do whatever the hell they want. Just a thought. I have no knowledge of that kind of mindset, but apparently it happens all the time with kids like these…
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DD is a complete Beast! Just love what he brings to the table, night in and night out. You can tell the guy loves his craft(hockey). He will be the brett favre of hockey. I sometimes wonder what he would be like as a forward? Can anyone share on this. I for one gain so much insight on this site from u guyz. Thanx Rich for keeping me posted. Aloha
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waves–
I agree.
We live in a society which idolizes certain young kids–the ones who are ‘genetic celebrities’–and which then places huge pressures on them to continue that success… All the while, our society creates a cottage industry designed to expose their every weakness. Worship on one hand, ridicule on the other, all in the name of entertainment. None of us is perfect, after all.
Somehow we–us as hockey fans, and us as citizens–should be able to look these great boys in the eye and say: “Congratulations for what you have become, son! Still, you ain’t perfect, I ain’t perfect, we’ll never be perfect but we can respect each other, just the same.”
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I’m glad Rich clarified. I’ve been guilty a few times of posting things from ‘That place’ by being purposefully indirect about it. I totally agree with Quisp that a vast majority of the rumors are made up under the premise that exciting fiction sells or grabs attention. I don’t want to advertise for any other site, hell, I have this site’s web address on the back of my truck! I am all about the discussion of speculation though. i always seem to learn something new about this team, the league, the game, life, etc. through said discussions so I’m glad Rich is in favor of that.
That being said, the speculation of Simmonds being in a deal for Kovi flat out angers me. I get why 100%. If that deal were ever to be done, I’d REALLY have to question the true direction of this team. It would make me change my ENTIRE mode of thinking after being a fan for 30 years about what is truly important to this franchise. Why is Simmonds SO important to me you ask?
We haven’t had a Heart & Soul guy like Simmonds since Lappy and Simmer has TONS more upside and talent than him. (Sorry Lappy, love ya but the truth just is.) I truly believe guys like Simmer make the players around him better through his play alone. Since Simmer has come, I’ve seen Parse, Richie & Moller step up their games and become important to this team. I’ve seen Frolov, Kopi, Zeus & Stoll ELEVATE their games when they play on the same line as him. His work ethic is infectious and he’s making a BIG impact on this team without even trying, because it’s NATURAL for him to be this way. THAT, IMHO, is a rarity in professional sports these days. In DL’s team model, Simmonds is just as important as Kopitar and if he moves Simmonds in any capacity, it would be completely hypocritical to the last 3.5 seasons of preaching character Dean has told us his goal is. It would be a miserable step backwards and completely affect the team in a negative way.
Some guys just are not expendable and Wayne Simmonds is hands down one of them. Not even a consideration. Hell, I was offended it was even mentioned! Yes, I’ve said anyone can be traded and it’s true. Some just shouldn’t be.
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Oahu:
I wouldn’t even begin to think about DD as a forward. What would Ray Bourque or Paul Coffey have become if they were turned into forwards.
It was the same on this site with JJ, some people feel that just because a Defensemen has offensive skills that he should be tried as a forward.
However it is an entirely different position, and I think DD, and most other defensemen would be Much worse as a forward.
We switch Harrold back and forth because frankly, he just isnt that strong as a defensemen so it isnt a huge loss to convert him from time to time. But when you hae a talent like Doughty, you don’t try to alter what he does or how he plays.
Chicago never asked Michael Jordan to play Centre, lets keep DD where he belongs, on D.
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Cynic;
I could not agree more on your comments about simmer. In each team there are always heart & soul players that might not look as strong on stat sheets or on the payroll for that matter, but they are as important as talented or star players. You meantioned lappy being one of them and right on, Mcsorely to me was another one of those type players. Not as a goon, but as heart and courage he represented for his teammates. Simmer is a hell of a kid and I would trade whole lot of other players (exception to Quick & DD ) before even mentioning him.
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Cynic -
Which is why Simmonds in particular will never be traded by Dean Lombardi. At least not by Dean Lombardi as I understand him.
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If the King’s do well in Canada they’ll move up in the rankings. We’ve sucked in Canada this year save for a few wins Vs the last place Oilers.
I’ll be very interested to see what happens against the Leaf’s. I think that town is still pissed about 93.
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Right on, Cynic. Simmonds has got to be untouchable at this point. Besides the heart and soul thing, he’s come so far in making himself a complete player in less than two full seasons, and I still think he has a way to go before he tops out in terms of skills.
I think you’re right: He’ll be like Lappy, except he’ll be a legit scorer on top of that.
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@Bako… Hey Bako, you remember you were saying how boring NJ was? Well the other nigh(sat) I had the choice of watching NJ vs NYI (which was at the time tied 2-2) and Mont vs. NYR (which at the time was 5-0 Habs). Guess which game I watched…yep, the Habs leading 5-0. It made me think, ‘wow, I think Bako was onto something there about NJ. Truth be told both were pretty poor. The Kings game vs Detroit sounded far more appealing though a bit nerve racking.
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@ Stop the Puck – News flash! TSN hates the Kings.
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I still miss Lappy.
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Quisp- I really hope you’re actually Dean Lombardi himself when you say that. I think that’s the only way I could get a guarantee of that. Pocklington was known to say he would never think of trading Gretzky and we all know how that turned out.
I’m glad there are others who feel the same here about Simmer.
I fully hope that when I go to the Insider suite on the 11th, Dean Lombardi comes in, shakes my hand, and introduces himself by saying: “Hey Cynic! I’m Quisp. Don’t worry about Simmer”.
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WTF Kenneth… i miss ScrappyLappy too… wish he was still with us… i think he can still play… i’d rather have him on our 4th line than Drago-nans… i wonder what his faceoff % is these days… i seem to remember it being pretty good
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He was a human-penalty-kill in the playoffs.
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Cynic -
Maybe he’ll do that just to mess with you.
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Cynic: Yeah, Pocklington said he would never trade Gretzky. But that was before the price of oil dropped like a rock and he ran out of money to pay him. I think DL has a more stable bankroll to play with.
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