alt="LA Kings Insider with Rich Hammond" />Jarret Stoll suffered a groin injury in the third period, according to both Stoll and Terry Murray after the game. You might remember that Stoll also had a groin injury last month. There is no immediate timetable for Stoll’s return.
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WOW this sucks…….We cant shake this injury bug, Now what????
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Time for another cameo by Brayden Schenn?
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Hey Rich, you got about 20 hours to learn how to win a draw and shoot ;) Seems like you are the only guy that might be available, lol.
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Damn, Kings are getting hit hard. This week off isn’t such a bad thing, now.
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Can’t we get away from “S” names going out? How about “E” names? Worked for us last time. We got Quick.
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Can someone help me? I cant get the Kings or NHL video clips to work….I cleared the UDP check mark on my windows media player. Video works on all other sites. Have Vista. Thanks.
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BTW NHL “On The Fly” starts with our game tonight for those with NHL network. It’s on as I type this so you have to wait an hour (just like swimming after you eat).
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Mr. “idiot” Barry is blaming the 3rd goal on Quick and calling it weak on that bs hockey buzz site.
Whats with the need to call out single players. The team as a whole played like crap. Nuff said.
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With Stoll out, we’ll be lucky to come out of Canada with 2-3 points. He’s been a huge part of our success over the past 10-15 games, winning key faceoffs, scoring goals, racking up hits…between him and Simmonds out we’ve lost a lot of our toughness. Looks like Moller centering the second line? We need our top line to come up huge before the week off.
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src: Yeah.
Seems like the boys were due for a loss. But hot streaks often are followed with loss streaks. Let’s see what the boys will come up with the last two games of this trip.
Vancouver did not stomp us, one thing that is certain.
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PERFECT….
THIS CAPS THE HOLIDAY WISH LIST…LETS HOPE THE “S” INJURY THING DOES NOT CONTINUE OR SANTA MAY NOT MAKE THE TRIP OUT WEST
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For those that couldn’t watch the game (and want to watch a loss) it’s being replayed tonight/tomorrow at 1AM and 11AM PST (after NHL Live).
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src,
Barry is actually the furthest thing from an idiot, he’s the second person I go to for Kings information, after rich of course. The guy has been dead on with his inside information and so I wouldn’t be too keen on describing the guy as an idiot.
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Oops, forgot the most important part. It’s on NHL Network.
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src says:
Mr. “idiot” Barry is blaming the 3rd goal on Quick and calling it weak on that bs hockey buzz site.
Whats with the need to call out single players. The team as a whole played like crap. Nuff said.
Besides the fact that I agree MB is a serious knucklehead, the 3rd goal WAS played poorly by Quick. But that’s the life of the poke-check, all or nothing!!! The timing of it just really seemed to suck since we’ve been coming back as of late and that just killed any chance.
The team was just tired tonight, no jump!
GO KINGS!!!
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THis is def bad news! Thank God for that 8 day break we got coming up
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Just to keep things in perspective.
Imagine if you are a Flyers fan, right now!
The Vancouver record is 19-14-0, sitting 10th after that win…
The Ducks still sit LAST in the Conference.
‘Nuff said!
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So… what are we going to do?
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King’s have got to really reassess their situation. They are hurting big time and do you risk more injury by bringing more Monarchs players up? Or do you attempt to make a trade to try and get a few veteran bodies here? It’s a tough call, I bet Kings while ride it out, on a downward trend to their Christmas break. Right now the King’s line up is going to look strikingly similar to last season, and that’s not a good thing.
Tonight’s game looked uninspired to say the least as no one drove to the net, they were a step behind the Canucks on every shift, the shots on the Power Play were average at best. Just shoot the puck, Smyth isn’t around to jump in front of the puck’s so shoot. I don’t get why that fundamental as well as (hitting the net) is always neglected by professionals. As a kid you’re ostracized for shooting wide.
King’s are in a tough spot, because they can’t afford to get into a rut with the conference being as tight as it is. Come on Kings, bounce back.
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Bad game.
Even the Red Wings lost some 2 seasons ago.
Smyttie and Simmy … back soon.
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DL must be making phone calls, I’m praying he is.. Maybe bring Brayden Schenn up again? Ugh, as long as Patrick O’Sullivan doesn’t score tomorrow night, anything but that, pleaseee God
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AK47 -
Where do you think Barry gets his info from? That’s right, here at LA Kings Insider. Just look at all his “inside info” he gets. It’s all lifted from this site and posted word for word on Hockeybuzz two hours after Rich posts it. Barry is nothing more than an Eklund wannabe.
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That 3rd goal starts with a bad def. change and greene going to an already covered man. Poke or no poke, all alone with Quick probably assuming Greene goes to the passing lane and covers the man, hence staying with the puck carrier a little longer than desired.
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hay, “I’m Just Saying”… don’t worry … Santa will be injured.
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tantrum..
not at ALL.. He was the first to announce the Jack Johnson’s re-signing during the summer, he told me the price and length of the deal in a private message a couple days before it was announced. He also called the Loktionov and Segal re-calls a couple weeks ago when Rich said there would be no call-ups. Believe me, Barry knows his stuff, he’s not completely 100% right all the time, but we’re not all perfect
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Tomorrow:
Purcell/Kopitar/Williams
Parse/Richardson/Brown
Frolov/Handzus/Moller
Ivanans/Elkins/Harrold
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Holly-
I have two words for ya….
J-U-R-A-J M-I-K-U-S
Let the celebrations BEGIN!
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“S” name for Santa if you didn’t get the bad joke
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Ak47 -
Well I still think he’s a loser. Just like you think our coach (yes the same coach that has us in 1st place in the TOUGH Western Conference) is a loser…
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We all called the Segal and Loktionov call-ups, too. Before it was stated that there was movement. They were obvious choices.
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Q- I prefer these lines:
Purcell/Kopitar/Williams
Parse/Mikus/Brown
Frolov/Handzus/Moller
Richardson/Elkins/Harrold
Ivanans sits. Worthless again tonight.
Or it could be the following:
Mikus/Mikus/Mikus
Mikus/Mikus/Mikus
Mikus/Mikus/Mikus
Mikus/Mikus/Mikus
Mikus/Mikus
Mikus/Mikus
Mikus/Mikus
Mikus
This would allow everone to rest for the Calgary game.
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I like Matthew Barry. I wouldn’t blame the third goal on Quick, though. Well, maybe. But it wouldn’t have mattered if:
1) The Kings could score on a 5-on-3.
2) Kopitar had covered his man on the first goal.
3) Dustin Brown could hit the net. If he’s going to miss by a couple of feet, maybe he should just aim for the goalie’s crest.
Also, that hooking penalty on Randy Jones was bogus. Totally holding the stick.
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Does anyone notice how slow Handzus look all the time. How about Teddy Purcell. He does nothing with the puck. Where is the effort for a guy that knows he is on the hot seat. At what point are they going to trade for a second line winger and send him down to manchester…he is not pulling his weight…too many attempts at fancy play tonight and not enough shots on net. Luongo is to good to not look for the dirty goal.
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You know, looking at those lines again, didn’t Parse/Elkins/Moller have some serious chemistry in Manchester? What would this look like?
Purcell/Kopitar/Williams
Frolov/Handzus/Brown
PARSE/ELKINS/MOLLER
Richardson/Mikus/Harrold
Huh? HUH? C’mon now….That really doesn’t look bad at all!
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tantrum,
It’s not our coach that has us in first place, believe THAT! This team has the skill to be in first under Barry Melrose. I trust that our team can compete every single night, no matter the opponent, and they’ve shown that, especially last week. But good teams know how to continue striding even through adversity, now that we’ve got key injuries on our hands (Smyth, Simmonds, Stoll), TM has to show us how good of a coach he and his staff are by mixing up the lines. Our special teams, well more precisely the PP is pathetic, it’s been since the beginning of the year, wouldn’t a GOOD coach want to address this issue? 1) why in the WORLD is Purcell still on the powerplay? 2) He needs playmakers on the PP or guys that can score, why not give Oscar Moller the opportunity, it wouldn’t hurt, would it? Our pp sucks badly enough, it can’t be any worse
Quisp,
You sincerely think that Purcell will play on the first line tomorrow night? Godddddddddd, please tell me you’re kidding, I think the first line stays the same.. That line scored our only goal tonight?
Frolov-Kopitar-Williams
Moller-Richardson-Brown<—- wishful thinking
Parse-Handzus-Purcell
Ivanans-Elkins-Harrold<—- embarrassing 4th line
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I’m with you on that, AK. Sully’s shown a remarkable lack of class since his departure. Now,in perspective… Smyth is due for s return soon. Average recovery of a torn miniscus is 4-6 weeks, but from what has been described Simmer’s injury is of the less serious variety. I’d guess 2-3 for a simple cut-back. Stoll’s last episode with the groin lasted 2 games. Bring Schenn up for two, hit the break and reevaluate when we get back. We’re not going to fall out of contention in the next two games. Chances are great that we come out of Christmas with a healthy Stoll, Smyth, and Simmonds a week or two later.
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Cynic -
Mikus? Kidding aside, I have no idea if he’s any kind of ready. Maybe now we see Rich Clune.
At this point, even as the quantity of injuries is getting silly, I still see it as opportunity to get a look at some people we wouldn’t otherwise see.
Since we’re in Canada, maybe we can grab Kyle Clifford for a game or two. Barrie is only about 2000 miles away!
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Oh and can someone explain to me this, please..
We started the 3rd period on the powerplay, right? Why would he put the 2nd powerplay unit on when it was a critical part to the game?
TM the genius decides to put Frolov-Handzus-Purcell with Jones and Johnson on the back-end, Handzus loses the draw, they clear it down then we can’t even get out of our own zone. Maybe TM should’ve thought about having Jarrett Stoll take the faceoff or Kopitar? Thats why they’re our number 1 PP unit and it’s not like they were tired, it was at the beginning of the 3rd period, literally the beginning. TM=clown
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AK-
We don’t have a choice. If we did, Teddy would be benched. Right now, he’s all we got. Beggars can’t be choosers.
Now if we could trade Teddy and a pick for a nice LWer….
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Quisp,
Did you look that up lolol? Barrie isn’t THAT close to Edmonton, I don’t think. Barrie is closer to Sudbury and Toronto. But Kyle Clifford is a LW, is that what we’re looking for? I guess we can use anyone at this point, I’d rather see us call up Schenn or Clune to be honest.
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To clarify- out of the break with Smitty and Stoll healthy, with Simmonds a week or 2 later.
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Anyone but Purcell to be honest.
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I don’t know that Mikus would be ready, in all seriousness. Depending on position, Clune or Cliche seem most NHL ready for the short term to me for their respective roles.
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And AK, Stoll was gone by that powerplay, was he not?
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I think Stoll played a couple shifts in the 3rd
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Ack; n/m; he was in to start the 3rd.
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I wouldn’t mind seeing Clune, but will he last to the break or is he too fragile??
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Q-
I’m not kidding about Mikus. Opportunities, right? He centered the crap out of Palffy in the Czech league. Granted, not a stellar league, but Palffy has said this kid has passing skills. I did watch a Manch game recently where he seemed to do pretty well. He looked as good, if not better than Cliche IMHO. We’re replacing a center, so why bring up Clune? Are we putting Moller in at center now on an emergency basis?
Kyle Clifford might be a good call for 1 game. Why not? He’d probably beat up more people than Ivanans has this year and actually handle the puck better also.
Back to Mikus. You’re putting him on the 4th line. You’re giving him 6-8 minutes a game. Tell him to play a heavy forecheck and skate like mad on the backcheck and he’ll be fine. I’m sure he’s faster than Ivanans.
I still think a 3rd line of Parse/Elkins/Moller would be QUITE interesting. I know it’s a little scary to have all the youngins on one line like that, but they showed a lot of chemistry in Manch and can score. Not to mention you put all your best forwards (Less Purcell) in your top 2 lines. I wouldn’t mind switching Purcell and Richardson in my latest lineup and let Teddy skate on the 4th line. Probably better that way.
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I think he’d last to the break. His injuries tend to be more “freak” injuries than anything else.
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Cynic re lines:
Parse/Elkins/Moller is not enough defensive protection for Elkins in his first NHL game. This is why I imagined Frolov/Handzus/Moller and Elkins getting limited fourth line minutes. Look, anything could happen. TM might decide to put Elkins on the second line with Brown and Parse or Purcell. I personally think the Frolov/Kopitar/Williams line is treading water.
As far as Purcell goes, I get why people are down on him, but I think TM’s strategy is reasonable. Purcell has the skill; he may as well be put in a position to use it. When Smyth, Stoll, Segal and Simmonds come back, THEN there will be a reckoning. I think it’s likely Moller will emerge victorious from that battle, but it could be Teddy. I would like to see Clune, too, while we’re at it. Lots of things are going to get decided between now and the Olympic break. If Purcell is still not scoring and is still on the roster in February, I’ll be surprised.
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Because the 1st powerplay unit was doing so well, right…
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Cynic -
That’s the key question, are we looking for a center or a winger? The early assumption with today’s call up was that they’d pull up a winger to replace Simmonds, since they were okay with putting Moller at center. Instead they called up a center. Now we have a center out. So they either put Richardson or Moller as centers again or have to call up another one. And the number of available centers in Manchester is more limited than the wing.
Also, Elkins numbers have been better with combinations of Wesgarth, Clune, and Meckler. I don’t know that he ever played significant time with Moller. He did play with Parse and Segal for a bit.
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Q-
I get the thought of defensive protection, but we’re hardly in a position to be too protective here. Guys have to step up in situations like these and chemistry at this point is a hard and valuable thing to come by. P/E/M put up points in bunches in Manch. We could sure use that right now. Moller has been here before. Parse has been here a handful of games now. Elkins can get a little coaching from these two before they step on the ice in EDM. My point was all of your experience is in your 1st 2 lines which will get the most minutes anyway. That, in a sense, is some D- Protection. If P/E/M plays well, you give them more minutes. If they’re a disaster, change up the lines midgame. Really not too much of a risk.
Purcell has skill. He also has a lack of finish. He finishes weak on his checks, finishes weak on his scoring chances, Finishes weak on receiving his passes. Sure he can handle the puck in a phone booth. Doesn’t do any good if he can’t FINISH. He’s just another Frolov who needs another 3 seasons to actually start scoring goals. We need him NOW. I don’t want another Frolov, unless it’s the one who played (now) 3 games ago. When the S’s all come back, I agree it’s clobberin’ time for TP. Ship him and a pick for a LW.
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Try Jack Johnson or maybe Frolov at center in Stoll’s spot and spell in Schenn for a game or 3 after his world junior commitment.
After these odd moves, the Kings have enough bodies at the back end if Drewiske can play 12-15 minutes. Maybe this wld hold until Stoll gets back.
I’m curious how Johnson wld manage at center. TM mentioned in one interview Johnson’s hv been perfect for the old rover position, a position I’m too young to remember. I think eventually Johnson could be a good centerman but wld get racked a few times for sure as he started. Anyone remember how well Kurri played at center back the year Gretsky was hurt 92-93? Seems I recall Kurri helped Luc R score like 70 goals.
I’m concerned Stoll’s injury must be pretty serious for him to take himself out of a game. Dude’s a warrior. If so, he may miss an extended period of time while the problem heals, say more than a week or two. That wld suck. He has been playing very strong of late.
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Cynic,
You make it sound so easy, ship him and a pick for a LW.. Who’s going to be interested in this guy anyways? DL will make the right deal, I’m sure of it, but I can assure you that no teams are interested in a guy who doesn’t even use his real name, Edward Teddy Purcell… ugh, just hearing the name makes me mad. Get Filatov!
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Holly-
IIRC, you watch Manch quite a bit, who would you think is ready to call up? I was positive Parse/Elkins/Moller was the line tearing it up at the beginning of the season because when Parse got called up, the talk was about losing Parse on that line and how it would affect the scoring in Manch. Maybe I’m wrong, but I could have swore that was the line.
Regardless, I’d like to see that line anyway. I like having our best 6 available play top 6, if not to just put the other team on their heels once in a while. We need to give ourselves chances to win games somehow.
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That’s the thing though. Purcell has finish. He’s just not showing it now. It’s in there. Somewhere. I’m pretty sure.
I agree the clock is ticking on his audition. No time like the present for him to bust out.
Of course if Brown, Kopitar or Frolov (all $14MM worth) would “finish,” we wouldn’t be debating the merits of Teddy Purcell. Well, we would be, but with fewer exclamation points.
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The line in Manchester was Parse/Loktionov/Moller.
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Ya.. I’m 100% sure Loktionov and Moller were on the same line, 100%..
What’s the injury report on Trevor Lewis? How long is he out for? Ahh if it wasn’t for all those injuries, he’d have his time to shine right now, kid made the team out of training camp and now that we need players, he’s injured :(
can’t a defenseman get injured so that we can see Voynov (wishful thinking again)
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Nope. Parse and Moller did play together quite a bit in the first month or so, usually with Loktionov. Elkins has always been a 3/4 line guy for us. Most of his points and time come with guys like Clune, Westy, Segal, and King. He does frequently play the PP. Most of Moller’s points were with Parse, Loktionov and Voynov. Only three of his 18 points occurred with Elkins on the ice, none with points going to Elkins as well. After Parse went up, Holloway stepped in. Elkins played at a point per game in December mostly playing with some combination of Clune, Westy, King, and Meckler.
I think that line could potentially work well together, though the problem may be that Moller isn’t as aggressive as Elkins and Parse can be.
Oh, and AK47, Ted is the appropriate nickname for Edward. Ted Kennedy ring a bell? Theodore is Tad.
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AK-
Quisp covered that ‘Who’s gonna be interested’ bit a while back. PLENTY of teams will look at TP and think “Bet he’ll work here, our system fits his game”. Don’t be surprised if DL doesn’t make a move with Brian Burke and ship TP and a pick (Since Toronto is desperate for picks this draft) for a Jason Blake, Nikolai Kulemin or Alexei Ponikarovsky. Hagman would be stellar but we all know THAT ain’t happenin’. BB likes his game too much I think. Toronto is STACKED with prospects at LW. They can afford to lose one. Not as difficult as you may think.
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Trevor is listed as being month-to-month with an upper body since 11/11… He also wears 11. The comment on him (Azevedo and Hickey too) from Morris was “Unfortunately for us, we’ve got three guys that are going under the knife or will be out for month upon month. It’s pretty hard to replace guys like that. We’re looking at three, four months for all of them. We won’t see them until March.”
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RIGHT Q-
Lotki. OK, Elkins played with Moller after Lotki got called up and injured and that didn’t last long. Thanks, that slipped my mind.
Still like the idea of P/E/M though. Elkins is 24. He should be able to handle himself, as long as he doesn’t fight. That boy canNOT fight!
Point taken on the 14MM dollar line there, but at least 10MM of that still plays defense and has grit to spare. Purcell just seems to be following Fro’s footsteps less the scoring. How long do we wait? Why is he so tenative with the puck? Will Heidi leave Ryan? Questions like these need answers man!
Holly-
You mention Moller not being as aggressive as Elkins and Parse. That’s OK. Let Oscar play the slot on the forecheck and have Elkins go in with Parse to dig out pucks along the boards. Since Oscar has played center, this shouldn’t be too tough a transition. A little awkward for Elkins who’ll have to skate his butt off, but Moller is fast enough to cover him on the backcheck if he gets caught.
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That’s a hugeeee setback for my boy Trev Lewis, damn :(..
Cynic,
Ponikarovsky sounds good to me
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I think it would take TP and a 1st to pry Poni, although DL is a witch and could maybe get Burkie with quantity over quality, meaning a 3rd & a 4th with TP. BB needs picks BAD right now as he gave up a bunch for Kessel.
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Harrold is useless, and screw this injury bug, Im losing my mind
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Groins don’t heal well. I’m not surprised. At least the break will help him out.
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Theo fleury….. come on down… you are the next 54.3 year old forward on the Los Angels Kingers.
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“Oh, and AK47, Ted is the appropriate nickname for Edward. Ted Kennedy ring a bell? Theodore is Tad.”
I think it can be Ted, too. Teddy Roosevelt ring a bell?
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Holly-
Lewis is out that long now too? Last i heard he was just 4-6 weeks.
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Teddy Roosevelt was originally Teedie, his dad was Thee which is where they got it from and Roosevelt used later in life. He in fact hated Teddy and never used it. The Ted/Edward nickname came about in the 13th and 14th centuries in England. Theodore was primarily used in Greece and Russia (Fyodor) until about the 1800s.
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And yep, that’s what Morris says. He’s already been out about 5 weeks at this point. The article specifically stated that Trevor (upper body), Hickey (shoulder), and Azevedo (Tendon sliced by a skate, I believe. I know it’s a tendon. And I know they’ve been throwing laceration around in conjunction with his name) would be out for a few months and then went on to quote Morris on it.
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