55 Comments

1. Kingsrule says:

   November 25, 2009 at 10:10 pm

   If we didn’t have bad luck we wouldn’t have any…

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2. wontonkings01 says:

   November 25, 2009 at 10:11 pm

   Wow. The Kings call up 1 guy and he gets injured. Next thing you know, Quick or Kopitar will get injured and that’ll be it for the Kings’s season.

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3. Big Rob in Dallas says:

   November 25, 2009 at 10:11 pm

   Is this the same injury that ended Palffy’s career? I remember that being an almost nothing hit just like Loktionov’s

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4. Cynic says:

   November 25, 2009 at 10:12 pm

   Oh man, not good. If it needs to be reset at the hospital, there might be muscle or tendon damage.

   Let’s hope for the best.

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5. What's the frequency, Kenneth? says:

   November 25, 2009 at 10:12 pm

   Oh sh–

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6. Stonewall says:

   November 25, 2009 at 10:13 pm

   Well shoot. He made a few crafty passes that can show he sees the game with an assist man’s mentality. Hopefully he’s feelin’ no pain right about now.

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7. Quisp says:

   November 25, 2009 at 10:15 pm

   Palffy is still playing.

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8. DB6 says:

   November 25, 2009 at 10:15 pm

   Get him out of Canada and straight to la! No offense to any canadian doctors on this site.

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9. Copper10-8 says:

   November 25, 2009 at 10:15 pm

   Unbelievable bad luck!

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10. Virgil says:

    November 25, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    give him some morphine b4 the game and he will be fine lol!

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11. Winsomemore says:

    November 25, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    It’s amazing what morphine can do. I had kidney stones so …I know…

    Bummer. Hope it’s not that bad. Wish him a speedy and safe recovery. So, Heeeeeere’s Oscar?

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12. What's the frequency, Kenneth? says:

    November 25, 2009 at 10:18 pm

    What’s really ugly is that they can’t get it relocated. That time factor can’t be good.

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13. holly says:

    November 25, 2009 at 10:18 pm

    Terrible luck. It was pretty clear by the shot of him on the bench that he was in absolute agony. Fingers crossed that he recovers quickly…

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14. Steve McQueen says:

    November 25, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    Not a good way to spend your thanksgiving.I hope they brought an interpreter.

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15. tylervonallen says:

    November 25, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    Shame on you wontonkings01… knock on wood! It’ll be fine.. Maybe we’ll see Moller again this season after all..

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16. Melissa Mora says:

    November 25, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    Wow, Seriously?

    All I have to say to all the injuries is FML.

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17. King Doughty8 says:

    November 25, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    Damn, this just sucks. REAAAL BAD!! Poor kid.

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18. Marc Nathan says:

    November 25, 2009 at 10:31 pm

    Justin Hocking all over again

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19. pucktime says:

    November 25, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    What cruddy luck! We seem to be having a shoulder jinx again this year – Hickey is having shoulder surgery, Jack last year, now this… Hope they were able to get it back in place and strapped up, I’d hate to see him lose half a year to surgery too. Not the way he wanted his NHL debut to go.

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20. Buster says:

    November 25, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    What the heck.

    Did Terry and Andy Murray suddenly go Freaky Friday on us?

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21. tiredofquick says:

    November 25, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    were short on stock in manchester and kings. now what? call up someone from the OHL? a trade is inevitable. purcell.frolov.ersberg and ivanans. that should give us something good in return cmon!

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22. vasquez says:

    November 25, 2009 at 11:23 pm

    Yea they did call up two guys, but only one can play center on the second line, the other is a fourth line grinder. And secondly, my whole family is full of doctors in the states and our care is unsurpassed by none, it’s just the prices and legal paperwork and what not that is below average, but care wise, we are the best. Red, white and blue

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23. Pumpernicholl says:

    November 26, 2009 at 12:08 am

    Palffy’s injury was not dislocated, but a separated shoulder (worse).

    There are lots of possibilities for this injury. Loktionov might be out for a long while but not necessarily. Since there is a wide range of possible severity levels with a dislocated shoulder.

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24. Scaught says:

    November 26, 2009 at 12:36 am

    Larry, I hear you and agree. But it’s you’re, not your.

    Just about one more injury and this season comes awfully close to the one when Allison and Deadmarsh went down …Great win. Nothing beats a passionate-turned-silent Canadian crowd:) On to Vancouver, boys. Stay healthy.

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25. TomHughes says:

    November 26, 2009 at 12:36 am

    Depending on the severity, he’ll probably need surgery and recovery time= see ya next year.

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26. Abirdie Said says:

    November 26, 2009 at 12:46 am

    Pumper -

    “Dislocated” is the correct medical terminology for a separation that did not naturally reduce. There are three possible separations in the shoulder – the glenohumeral separation, the acromioclavicular separation (AC Joint), and the sternoclavicular separation (SC Joint). A dislocation is in fact the most severe injury. A subluxation is when the joint dislocates and then reduces on it’s own almost instantly. The longer a joint is dislocated, the more complicated the injury becomes. The surrounding muscles realize there is a problem and all go into spasm. With all surrounding muscles in spasm the reduction is merely impossible – morphine or none. If they were unable to reduce it at the arena, a trip to the ER was in order so that he could be medicated until the spasms subside and therefor reduce the dislocation.

    Cliffs notes – 4 months.

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27. DuckHunter says:

    November 26, 2009 at 1:02 am

    Very nice Abirdie Said. You covered everything. I will add one more thing, not only will the Morphine not help with the spasms, it will only moderately help with the pain. That poor kid will be in excruciating pain. I feel for him. Get well soon son.

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28. King fan from Oregon says:

    November 26, 2009 at 1:20 am

    What a bummer… I hope he recovers fully. It looked like one of those DFL (Dumb Freaking Luck) situations. Best wishes to a speedy recovery.

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29. kinga4queens says:

    November 26, 2009 at 1:22 am

    I say bring up Schenn and Clifford. They dominated in pre-season.

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30. eyesk8r says:

    November 26, 2009 at 2:12 am

    I hope this doesn’t turn into Pavel Rosa Version 2.0

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31. Gary Livingston says:

    November 26, 2009 at 3:41 am

    =( poor kid.

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32. KingNewfie says:

    November 26, 2009 at 5:23 am

    Horrible luck indeed. He looked in so much pain last night. I just hope that he gets well quick!

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33. -J says:

    November 26, 2009 at 5:36 am

    abirdie- don’t trust cliff notes. dislocation and shoulder separation are different injuries. dislocation specifically refers to the head of the humerus being displaced from the glenohumeral joint (eg socket). separation refers to displacement of the clavicle relative to the acromion of the scapula. Different joints, different injuries, different name and different treatment.

    In lokt’s case, from the position his arm was in just be before he dropped his gloves in pain, he’s got an anterior dislocation. It’s the most common form and results from relative instability of the joint when the arm is abducted and rotated, just like Lokt’s was as he was reaching around the oil player.

    It is not unusual to transport to a hospital to do the reduction there, especially if there are any signs that one of the nerves of the brachial plexus is being compressed. You don’t always want to just pop the joint back in place- that can cause more damage.

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34. Crown Royal says:

    November 26, 2009 at 6:25 am

    My son dislocated his shoulder playing Junior A in Canada. Went immediately to the ER where, after giving him shot of Morphine, the doctor popped it back into place. He was in tremendous pain until it was put back in place but not much pain afterward.

    This veteran Canadian doctor who had seen many such injures told him no physical contact for six months or he would have further problems with the shoulder.

    Obviously every case is different but here’s hoping Loki dosen’t rush getting back into action. This is a talent the Kings cannot afford to lose.

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35. nykingfan says:

    November 26, 2009 at 6:28 am

    damn this really sucks for the kid.
    Good info guys…but who’s right and who’s wrong?

    Get well soon kid. You were noticeable out there.

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36. src says:

    November 26, 2009 at 8:00 am

    The real potential problem with the injury to Loki is the stability issue post 4 months. If it continues to pop out, the surgery will be required. This means alot of wasted/lost time.

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37. Player-X says:

    November 26, 2009 at 8:10 am

    I once separated a shoulder, but we patched things up and are now back together.

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38. goldielocks says:

    November 26, 2009 at 8:19 am

    Are you kidding me? The professional sports team doctor can’t fix the dislocated shoulder? Well it depends on where exactly bone’s head is but even if it’s in the most difficult position, like right under the collarbone, it can be done with anesthesia. And from what I saw from Laktionov’s reaction it wasn’t that difficult case. That’s the shame Edmonton has such an impotent team doctor. Fire him now.

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39. Teeder says:

    November 26, 2009 at 8:52 am

    I’m surprised Lombardi is still drafting these under-sized players (less than 180 lbs,less than 5’10″) Kariya was a prototype and was always injury prone. The other 2 Kings size deficient – Moeller and Richardson always seem to end up on their butts. GM’s like Brian Burke look for size first. And there does seem to be a correlation between size and performance in the NHL i.e. Kopitar, Thorton, etc.

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40. VanKingsFan says:

    November 26, 2009 at 8:57 am

    Pavel Rosa .. what a name drop. He has 25 points this year in 18 games for Karpat in the Finnish elite league

    and Ziggy is not only still playing, he is lighting it up.

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41. holly says:

    November 26, 2009 at 8:59 am

    It is possible that it wasn’t terribly severe but they still needed to put him under in order to relocate the shoulder due to the level of pain he was in.

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42. rick says:

    November 26, 2009 at 9:14 am

    Having just read all these descriptions of shoulder separations/dislocations, pain level, reductions, etc., I have now officially lost my appetite for Thanksgiving dinner….

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43. MK Ultra says:

    November 26, 2009 at 9:36 am

    Ahhh, so that’s what happened to Justin Hocking.

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44. Scott says:

    November 26, 2009 at 9:36 am

    Trust me from someone that has dislocated 9 times, first time was playing hockey, and mine was originally an anterior dislocation. The pain is intense, you feel like your going to evacuate everything in your stomach, chills, everything, shock can even occur. Each consecutive time you dislocate the chances are that your shoulder will reduce itself, however, the first time because of said muscle spasms, they generally give you med like Propofol (of MJ notoriety) to make you forget what happened while being reset. X-rays are taken to make sure there is no impingement of nerves. Rehab helps after the injury, usually a month of nothing but arm in ye olde sling, then the PT starts. The sad reality of things is there is no easy way to say that the shoulder is much easier to dislocate in the future. If any have had multiple dislocations or an initial one quite severe, the foremost shoulder surgeon who literally developed The O’Brien sign (look it up on google as O’Brien sign shoulder), Dr. Daniel O’Brien works out of The Hospital for Special Surgery in New York can have you back to normal in most cases, stability and all, in a matter of 2 months (at least what was said for my case when I saw him). Quite often with an anterior dislocation a torn labrum is involved and can be diagnosed by this sign (test) without an MRI.

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45. What's the frequency, Kenneth? says:

    November 26, 2009 at 9:40 am

    It’s times like this when I wish the experts here didn’t think they know more than the experts in the Arena (not you guys trying to explain the injury, the ones spewing disrespect to the ones there.)

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46. Mean Machine says:

    November 26, 2009 at 9:48 am

    Well this is were depth comes in handy. I sure don’t see it. I see trade in the coming weeks, or something.

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47. IStillBelieve says:

    November 26, 2009 at 9:53 am

    Having suffered this myself in college hockey it’s a tough injury. Hurts like hell too. A few weeks and constant rehab and he should be OK. Once it happens twice though, well, patterns are hard to reverse.

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48. DP says:

    November 26, 2009 at 10:04 am

    You’d assume either Moller or Gauthier will be recalled today. They should shelve Loktionov for the season and have him come back strong in 2010-2011.

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49. Bruin26 says:

    November 26, 2009 at 10:35 am

    This sucks for the kid and the Kings. Can’t be good for his development if he is going to have to sit a long time after playing so well in Manchester. I have high hopes for this kid, but this sucks bad for him.

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50. What's the frequency, Kenneth? says:

    November 26, 2009 at 10:41 am

    People talking about calling someone else up may be forgetting there’s a good likelihood that Stollie will be back in the lineup.

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51. DB6 says:

    November 26, 2009 at 10:47 am

    Teeder are u serious? Burke? Really? Seriously? Just go back to rock you’ve been under.

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52. Abirdie Said says:

    November 26, 2009 at 11:16 am

    J -

    You’re wrong. A grade three AC separation is a complete dislocation at the acromioclavicular joint. A grade one or two separation is a subluxation as the z ligaments that maintain the integrity of the AC joint are still intact and therefor stablize the joint. Dislocations can happen at ALL three joints. The SC joint can dislocate anteriorly or posterior. The AC joint dislocates quite frequently, and the GH joint usually dislocates in the anterior inferior direction. In the shoulder, brachial plexus is comprimised regardless of a dislocation. If they were unable to reduce the shoulder at the arena (multiple orthopedics present), than there was a boney block such as the humerous being hooked on the corocoid bone.

    Cliffs notes – Still 4 months.

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53. King fan from Oregon says:

    November 26, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    Not to act like I know but while an Infantryman in the Army I sustained a grade 2 AC Separation and it hurt a lot. To this day (it happened a few years ago) I still have problems with my shoulder. When it is “acting up” the joint snaps and pops like some one breaking dry branches off of a tree. It pops / snapps so loud it wakes my wife up. I have had Dr’s look into cutting on me but their prognosis for the future is not a lot better than now with surgery. I hope for him it is not that kind of a situation.

    So all I am saying is… for me it hurt like hell and still bothers me everyday… especially in the winter… I hope he recovers fully and that he wont have to be cut on.

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54. vicarious says:

    November 26, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    thanks everyone for all the information. Happy turkey day and good wishes to all

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55. -J says:

    November 26, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    Abirdie- I’m not wrong, I’m a doctor. (LOL, that sounds so arrogant, doesn’t it?)

    Yes, technically, any joint displacement can be termed dislocation at the time it is displaced. I know it’s just semantics, but by convention when one says dislocated shoulder, they’re talking about the glenohumeral joint, and when one says separated shoulder, there talking about the AC joint.

    No, the brachial plexus is not always compromised, regardless of dislocation- not exactly sure what you meant by this, though.

    There are several reasons why they would have been unable to reduce the shoulder at the arena but without knowing the results of his neurovasc. exam and what was actually attempted, it’s kind of hard to speculate on why it needed to be done at a hospital.

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