alt="LA Kings Insider with Rich Hammond" />Rob Scuderi felt remorse for his hit on Jason Chimera, but Terry Murray certainly doesn’t feel any. Immediately after the game, Murray was adamant that the hit was legal, and on Tuesday, even after Scuderi’s fine, Murray didn’t back down from his assertion that Scuderi did nothing wrong.
MURRAY: “Absolutely. That was the hit of the game, when you go back through the start of my career. The 70s, 60s — I didn’t play in the 60s — that was the hit. Because in the 1-2-2 you had both wingers coming back on the defensive side of it, and that’s where your defensemen were always standing up and able to get those kind of impact hits. It’s a great play. He’s fronting the man that’s carrying the puck. The puck gets chipped in and immediately the hit is there. It’s a good hit.”
Murray was asked about some of the game’s other “rough stuff,” most notably hits on Drew Doughty (elbowing) and Alexander Frolov (roughing). The Blue Jackets received minor penalties on those plays, but the Kings didn’t attempt any retaliation.
MURRAY: “I don’t have any problem with that. … We need to recognize, though, when things go the other way a little too much. One of the areas that we grew, big time, in last year was the response of the team whenever something happened with a particular player, or situations that started to build up, and everybody was there for everybody. You just have to pile in there and say, `Hey, we’re not going to put up with that stuff.’ Maybe that’s one of the scenarios that I wish we had responded just a little bit more with that attitude, at that time. We’ll be aware of it.”
Well said Terry.
When Chimera dragged Frolov into the boards and he crashed a little awkwardly, I thought Brown should of gotten in Chimera’s face a little. . but he stood next to him and did nothing. It was a questionable hit and it would be nice to think that someone on our team would have a little respect for a teammate and give a face wash or at least a grab to let him know that those plays aren’t going to be accepted. . .
Of course, this is just my opinion. . .
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Nice. Good cop, bad cop.
Next time Chimera, keep your head up and your arms out when you do the “superman” and you won’t be so embarrassed.
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caveman thinking no wonder players don’t respect each oher when coachs and gm are telling them this crap is good but its easy when your sitting behind a desk or bench not the one having your knees taken out or your head smashed against the glass it doesn’t matter to them because there is plenty more down on the farm. nhl has lost alot of great players that fans no longer get to watch because coaches won’t evolve from back in the day, caveman thinking
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Agree with Murray it was a perfectly legal hit. It was a one on one play on the blueline chimera desided he was going to go through scuderi and scuderi said think again.
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I’m kinda scratching my head on this one.
I felt that the hit was a little on the low side and worthy of a fine. Ok.
But for a coach to come back the next day and more or less say it was a clean hit after the decision might confuse his players as to what is appropriate and what isn’t and where the boundaries are. I’m hoping the players feel that the league trumps the coach on what is acceptable behavior, but when the league isn’t always clear on the punishment and the coach adds to the confusion, well what’s a player to think!
Old time hockey is great, but when the rules no longer apply, you have to adjust.
Not sure I agree with the way Murray handled this one.
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rl- Totally unfair, considering Terry Murray used to dish out such hits as a defenseman in the league back in the day.
Did you play in the NHL at all? TM did. The only job a thinking caveman can get is with GEICO. I’ll listen to the guy with experience.
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Feel I need to clarify: I’m not sure I agree with the way Murray handled the Scuderi hit publicly. This is not to say I disagree with the hit itself though Scuderi was low.
Also, agree with TM about the physical aspects of the game and the way players need to respond to certain agressions. Some stuff you let go, when it goes a little over the top or a key plaeyer is repeatedly targeted, that’s the time for a reaction.
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dman> the league is so vague in the rules when it comes to this kind of stuff, sometimes things are okay sometimes not, it’s a wonder how any player knows how to play. And the play was not dirty, he didn’t come from behind chimera knew what was coming. Was it low? maybe but contact was initiated by both players. Do we need to start fining players that lay down to block pucks because the offensive player desides he’s goona go through the player? If the league wants the hit to be illegal than make it illegal. But there is a double standard in the league on who can do what.
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Dman- I get what you’re saying, but the NHL has the first responsibility to define and uphold the rules of the game. TM is just one man with an opinion from his experiences in that game.
It all starts with the NHL and its front office. If TM makes that comment with a clearly set definition of NHL rules that go against his opinion because the league has changed, then I would have a problem with TM.
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Regardless if the hit was good or bad, Chimera had a choice to make. Sadly he chose poorly and decided that he will take his chances against the in bound Scud. I bet that if Chimichunga came out on top of the collision he would be all smiles. Enough said there.
The hit completely unraveled the Jackets and prevented them from getting their brains back into the game.
I appreciate that Scud is taking the hit on this one, but I am sorry a game clinching hit cost him cold hard cash.
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I felt the hit was low. I don’t want anyone hitting our players that low and potentially injuring someone, intentional or not.
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Ask Murray if he thinks the players should still play without helmets…goalies without masks?
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The truth is, the Scuderi hit was questionable, but I like it nevertheless and hope he continues to throw “questionable” hits for the duration of his contract.
I was also disappointed that the Kings had no response to the cheapshots, but then I looked at the roster, and Ivanans is the only player who would respond, but the BJs didn’t have a dance partner for Raitis… In that circumstance, a middle weight would do wonders for this club
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Murray is a dumbass. If someone did the same hit to Kopi he’d be all over that other player crying bloody mary.
STFU Murray and stop being a prick. Coach and leave Simmonds on the first line and Frolov on the top 2 lines and the Kings will carry you to success. Geez
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Has anyone seen the Nintendo wii hockey comercial with JMFJ just noticed he’s wearing an old 1960’s Kings T-shirt in comercial
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Although this doesn’t go along with the above info – I was wondering why the Kings have EIGHT CONSECUTIVE DAYS OFF IN DECEMBER!!!
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The hit was clearly lower than Scuds intended. It was not “dirty” and it was not “clean.” It was slightly out of control (and it WAS NOT on the knees, or crybaby would have been broken in half.) It merited a meeting in NY, no fine, no penalty, but a “watch your ass!”
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feisty old man…eh???
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Kings handled the situation fine.
we won, chimera took his lumps and none of are boys were injured.
if he tries it next game tomahawk him.
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Same old coach bashing, wow! TM has this team playing it’s best hockey in years and all he gets is a bunch of crap for speaking his mind as a former blue collar player. He has class and ways pushes “team first” concepts to these guys. Give TM a break, or is first place in the division not good enough? TM is a class act who has walked the walk, have you?
Rich….great work as always, thanks for your hard work.
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my comments on this thread got too long, so I put them here:
http://wp.me/ptucv-Fw
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Well I think Terry is right but the way Rich asked the question I was thinking he was pointing about the league not even looking at the punch to Fro’s head from behind and we didn’t get an answer. He’d already answered the non retalliation this time along with scuderi. I was hoping for his thoughts on the league’s not head hit rule and their ignorance of looking into events depending on who the offender is.
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WWAMD, Murray is a dumbass?? STFU??? Where does that come from? Murray has this team playing some of the best hockey we have seen in years.
As for the hit by Scuderi, It was definately in the gray area, not a clear cut low blow, and just high enough to believe that he did not attempt to injure the opposing player.
I almost hate to admit that I agree with some of your comments. I like Simmonds on the first line and Frolov needs to play with some skill players.
However I have to wonder where your inflammatory comments for Murray come from. He has the credentials of having played in the NHL, coached several NHL teams, taken at least one team to the Stanley Cup Finals. For you to make such critical and insulting comments, your credentials are?????????
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Yes Murray has coached several NHL teams…All of which he got fired for not really getting along with players
Yes the TEAM is playing some awesome hockey…BUT it has nothing to do with Murray….Murray’s job is to get the most out of the players he has. Obviously he isn’t doing it right. THE PP SHOULD NEVER EVER had J.Williams at the point. Frolov should NEVER be on the 3rd line and Simmonds SHOULDN’T be removed from the top line because Williams NEVER belonged there in the first place. Ivanans is a useless tool in today’s NHL and Murray utilizes him often.
Murray does not know how to coach, he coaches with his heart and not his brain. Meaning he has an emotional attachement and hatred towards certain players, which has gottan him fired in the past and yet we embrace this idea and this coach and blame success on him. This team is making him LOOK good right now, but a team can only make a coach look good for a short time. Explicit will hit the fan soon because Murray has a way of messing things up as does Dean Lombardi. The success of this team is its home grown with the addition of Ryan Smyth. Dean’s best pick up has been Smyth.
Go Kings!
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WWAMD – Wow, that was doozie! Just going to put this out there, you’re assuming a lot, your opinion is not based on any facts.
Murray not getting the most out of his players – interesting, looks like most of them are on their way to a career year…I can see your logic there.
JW on the point, it’s not uncommon to have forwards on the point (Gretzky, Kariya to name a couple), and he’s got a cannon of slapshot, so it makes sense to try…when it didn’t work, TM made the change…but he doesn’t really coach, so it must have been god’s will that made the change.
TM getting fired, hmmmm, I guess coaches don’t get fired in this league unless they are really bad, afterall, no Stanley Cup Champion coach has ever been fired….right? What history disagrees? We can ignore that fact, it’s much better to make bold statements instead.
Your comments about Ivanans, Fro, and Simmonds are valid arguments..but I would say there are pros and cons, and no absolutes.
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DellaNooch,
Short History Lesson: Scotty Bowman…Class dismissed!
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Wow…I think I agree with alot of what WWAMD has too say.Good points
Saying Just I’m
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WWAMD,
We agree on several points. Again I like Simmonds on the top line. I like Frolov too. Getting rid of him would be a big mistake. Keeping him on a line that has some skill is a must. I think that Brown has improved playing with Frolov for the last couple of games. He seems stronger on the puck and plays with more intensity along the boards.
I also completely agree about Ivanans. The time has come for all of the no-talent goons in the NHL to become distant memories.
However a coach gets judged by the performance of the team. Williams has a track record. He has won a cup. He has scored over 30 goals in a season. He plays hard and sets a good example for the kids. With the track record of the team at this point, it is hard to be so critical of the coach for a having Williams on the point on the power play.
Without being in the locker room, on the bench, and on the ice with the team, it is hard to really hard to know what Murray’s coaching weaknesses and strengths really are. We can only judge him by the performance of the team.
Last year a young team learned how to play a more defensively responsible game. With better early season goal tending they would have been a contender for a playoff spot. This year they have grown by leaps and bounds. Smyth is certainly part of the equation but you have to give the coach credit.
Several NHL teams have decided that Murray does know how to coach. With that, the team will succeed or fail with him at the helm. Until it is determined that the team and Murray have failed, I have to believe that he knows the game and his players better than you or I do.
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TM did the right thing. He’s letting his players know they should still be aggressive – not break the rules.
That’s the same reason he will put JW on the 1st line when he is healthy. He wants his players playing hard – not fearing they will lose their spot if they get injured.
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I like our delusional posters. WWAMD, Khanon and others. Makes me laugh.
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Lets see, I’ve been posting for ages that Labs needed the boot. Everyone called me delusional then. Then just prior to him getting the boot, everyone was on the bandwagon. I was delusional when I said DL was dumb for hiring Crow and Cloutier. Then when the “explicit” hit the fan with those two everyone forgot how much I hammered it in that that both sucked, but all of a sudden everyone agreed that they were bad ideas. I was delusional when DL signed Calder and Alyn (I hated those signings, but I was delusional at the time)
Then this season comes around and I’m delusional so far because I believe Fro should be on the top 2 lines and Williams should have never been on the point on the PP. Now Murray makes those adjustments and everyone praises him. Yet when I suggested it I was delusional.
I also stated how important JJ is on our PP last season and I was considered delusional then, ppl were offering JJ trade proposals for peanuts. I said he’s important and now everyone can’t get enough of him.
So am I delusional or just ahead of the game?
I’m also going off on a note, I’m delusional that Hickey will never accumulate to anything, he was Lombardi’s worst pick. Murray is a horrible coach. I know the Kings are winning but Murray will find a way to F that up. The Kings could be DOMINATING right now. I’m delusional in Hextall is the worst goalie coach in the NHL….WTH is up with Quick coming out 40 feet to stop shoots? I noticed Labs started doing that towards the end of his stay in LA and thats when Crap hit the fan. Is this something Hextall teaches? He should never be that far out. I’m also delusional in believing Williams will not play more then 30 games this year. I was delusional last season when I said it would take him less then 10 games to get hurt…Just saying!
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@WWAMD
Stop right there with that Hickey nonsense. Have you ever seen him play? Because I have. Give the kid a couple years in the AHL to hone his skills and you’ll see. He’s not a big bruising defenseman like Tuebert, he plays more of a Neidermayer game, which I’ll take anyday. So lay off Hickey!
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I’ve seen Hickey play at the WHL level and World Juniors. Haven’t seen him in the AHL, but judging by his stats, its exactly what I predicted. He sucks!
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man if the kings were to win the cup wwamd would still complain about murray, there is just no winning with people like him, they just like to complain.
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WWAMD, re various:
I’ve been posting for ages that Labs needed the boot. Everyone called me delusional then. Then just prior to him getting the boot, everyone was on the bandwagon.
Go check out the archives. Most people thought JLB needed to go, from basically day one. You were not the “lone voice of reason” on that one. It was fairly obvious to most people that JLB was a backup promoted to his level of incompetence.
I was delusional when I said DL was dumb for hiring Crow and Cloutier.
I can’t remember anyone for any length of time thinking that Cloutier was a good idea. Before he played a game for the Kings, there was some wishful thinking.
I was delusional when DL signed Calder and Alyn (I hated those signings, but I was delusional at the time)
Neither of those players were ever good enough anywhere, or important enough, for anyone to care about, much less call anyone delusional who didn’t like them. MacAuley (sp?) ended up with a career ending injury, so I’m not sure what you’re prescience was supposed to be. Did you predict this? Calder, who I didn’t like (along with a million people, again you’re not exactly alone on this), was nothing more than a band-aid.
Then this season comes around and I’m delusional so far because I believe Fro should be on the top 2 lines
(1) Fro is a top-six forward. Everyone knows this. (2) He is on the top-two lines. Because there are no line numbers, really. There’s the first line, and two second lines, called #2 and #3.
and Williams should have never been on the point on the PP.
I pointed out the Williams weakness long ago. I don’t remember anyone saying I was “delusional.”
Now Murray makes those adjustments and everyone praises him. Yet when I suggested it I was delusional.
Frolov is on the same line he has been since the start of the season. As far as I can tell, people did not praise him for taking Williams off the point, but just kind of said “duh.” Maybe that was you, I don’t remember.
I also stated how important JJ is on our PP last season and I was considered delusional then
This year, JJ has been on the ice for 4 PP goals, and 1 goal against. I believe he has two PP assts. No goals. Last year, he was on the ice for 10 goals for and 4 goals against (all numbers for 5on4 only), playing less than half a season. His points per 60 minutes on the powerplay are about double what they were last year. Maybe I’m mistaken, but didn’t pretty much everybody say that JJ needed to spend more time on the powerplay?
ppl were offering JJ trade proposals for peanuts. I said he’s important and now everyone can’t get enough of him.
Well, please. JJ is a star in the making. Everyone knows this. He’s a kid, but he’s a star-kid. It’s not like you were out there saying Drew Bagnall is one to watch you heard it here first. Most of those trade proposals valued him pretty highly, if memory serves (e.g. Frolov and Johnson for Heatley, that kind of thing).
So am I delusional or just ahead of the game?
Mostly it seems like you’re taking obvious, well-travelled and fairly popular ideas and claiming that you were part of a maligned minority who espoused them.
I’m also going off on a note, I’m delusional that Hickey will never accumulate [sic - amount?] to anything, he was Lombardi’s worst pick.
You’re on record. Lots of people agree with you, though. Thus, the gasps in the arena when Hickey’s name was announced at the draft. As far as Hickey’s numbers, which I think you commented on elsewhere, he’s got 7 points in 15 games in Manchester, which — at just less than a half point a game — is far better than any other Manchester defenseman has ever done, including Voynov. So yeah, he sucks.
The Kings could be DOMINATING right now.
They are dominating right now.
I’m delusional in Hextall is the worst goalie coach in the NHL.
You’re delusional that he’s a goalie coach.
WTH is up with Quick coming out 40 feet to stop shoots [sic]?
You’ve heard about this angle thing, right?
I noticed Labs started doing that towards the end of his stay in LA and thats when Crap hit the fan.
But, but, but you were the first to see that Labs sucked, right?
I’m also delusional in believing Williams will not play more then 30 games this year.
Again, it’s not like you’re picking an iron-man here. This is someone with a serious history of injuries.
I was delusional last season when I said it would take him less then 10 games to get hurt…Just saying!
Really. Show me where you predicted before last season started that a player on Carolina would be hurt before the ten game mark. All I require is a link to a comment. How hard is that?
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Holy CRAP Q-
…uhhhh 2nd that!
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Quispy
Re to Labs:
Yes I was the lone voice of reason. You can go back to LGK and search under WWAMD and you’ll see. Unfortantely I can’t search the archives of LGK since I’m no longer a member.
Re to Crow:
Nope again I hated Crow from day one, same with Clouts. People were all happy when we hired Crow. The reoccurring theme with him was that he brought playoffs and stanley cup experience. Yeah so does Murray…soooo…Just sayin’
Re to Fro and Williams:
I state over and over on these boards that Murray is a goof for placing Williams on the point and people kept saying…Oh what do u know about coaching…Then Murray does it and all of a sudden I’m a forgotten idea.
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“Mostly it seems like you’re taking obvious, well-travelled and fairly popular ideas and claiming that you were part of a maligned minority who espoused them.”
YES THEY are OBVIOUS and I’ve been stating them BEFORE they become so OBVIOUS! but during the time of things happening, NO ONE agrees and turns the blind eye. We fast forward a few months and all of a sudden people are on board. But by the time those problems are solved I’m off on other ones which people disagree with until its a constant problem all season long and we don’t make the playoffs again.
LOOK in the archieves in LGK…I made a ton of money off betting that Labs would let a goal in the first 5 mins and or 5 shots. I won that bet 90% of the time and would post it on the GDT usually on the first page for all to see. People started to take notice because I was right to whole time and THATS when they slowly started to realized that YES Labs is a problem. But when I first brought it up, no one bought into it.
Quisp search Williams and WWAMD in LGK and you’ll get a ton of information.
Thanks for taking time to dissect my arguments. But I’ll be around for a while and sooner rather then later, people will finally buy into what I have to say RIGHT away instead of waiting for all to fail first and then forgetting where they heard it first.
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